Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (3 Viewers)

[Toad_1234]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

Gee whiz you are an exhausting moron.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

I'm rootin' for ya

I was in this thread to take my mind off the game for a few moments. :X

 

[Toad_1234]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

 

[adonis]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

Quotes really mean nothing without context.

They "mean nothing" without context, but if you state that a person did or didn't say a specific phrase, and you're wrong, and your main point is about context and big picture, you've made a mistake and staked your ground in the wrong place.

 

[cstu]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

 

[Jewell]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Posted it earlier...

Here's why both sides can say that Obama either did or didn't initially label Benghazi an act of terror. Obama, being an attorney and politician, worded his speech in such a way so that it could be interpreted that he did label Benghazi an act of terror or didn't label Bengahzi an act of terror depending on later events.http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/30/no-obama-didnt-call-benghazi-act-of-terror-in-speech/

 

[Steeler]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

If you keep saying the same thing over and over again, do you think it will come true?

 

[StrikeS2k]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

 

[sporthenry]

Bottom Line. When you wake up tomorrow...

Gas Prices are ?

Unemployment ?

How much does the USA owe?

Gas Prices are determined on the open global market. If you think the President has that much if any sway on the gas prices, you'll be sorely mistaken. If you want prices to go down, you'll have to stop India, China, and Brazil from industrializing. As far as how much US owes? Well they owe most of it to America so it isn't as bad as people claim. China owes 8% of our debt, most of our debt is owed to us Americans. We certainly have to address it but it isn't as pressing as most people think.

How long do you think these countries have been industrializing?

Look at the facts, in 2010, China's demand went up 12%, Latin America 5.7%, etc. The US was actually a net exporter of refined oil, so we had more refined oil then we needed.

Those countries have been industrializing for years and gas prices have been up and down.

You haven't used a shred of evidence. Just emoticons and "they've been industrializing for years". Well developing countries have been growing faster than developed countries meaning there are more mouths to feed. Developing countries are using more oil as a % then they used to which means more demand which means higher prices. Simple supply and demand.

 

[TheWalkmen]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

Quotes really mean nothing without context.

They "mean nothing" without context, but if you state that a person did or didn't say a specific phrase, and you're wrong, and your main point is about context and big picture, you've made a mistake and staked your ground in the wrong place.

You're really reaching now.

 

[Politician Spock]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

Which is why it was the only topic the crowd reacted too and you'll retract before the next debate. Not that you've ever done that.

They reacted in disgust to Romney's attack and were happy to see him shot down- that's why they applauded.

According to Candy's post debate interview, the audience applauded twice. First one side of the audience applauded when she pointed out Obama did say terror on sept 12. Then the other side of the audience applauded when she pointed out that Obama avoided calling it terror for weeks following.

 

[jamny]

Solid debate...loved it. Great drama.

Both sides will claim victory and probably should.

 

[jonessed]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

Quotes really mean nothing without context.

She all but admitted on CNN that she botched that.

 

[timschochet]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care.

And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

 

[drummer]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

Problem is Romney's idea's of Foreign Policy would bite him in his own rear end, being that policy is Foreign to him.

 

[Sarnoff]

When Romney responded by pointing out that it took many days for Obama to even call the events in Benghazi an act of terror, Obama responded that he did call it an act of terror in the Rose Garden on 9/12. Candy Crowley jumped in, interrupting Romney to support Obama’s statement. Obama did, ONCE, refer to a generic “act of terror” on 9/12, at the end of his remarks in which he repeatedly referred to the attack being a response to the Mohammed YouTube video.

 

[adonis]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

 

[drummer]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care.

And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

"Let's" as in the FFA?

 

[timschochet]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

Sorry Strike.No one cares about Libya.No one cares about Fast and Furious. And when it comes to Israel and Egypt, all Obama has to point out is that there is no substansive difference between the two candidates, which is absolutely true.

 

[TheWalkmen]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

What was said in the paragraph before the acts of terror line?

 

[Sarnoff]

For several days, and again on this week's Sunday morning shows, President Barack Obama's spokespeople, both at the White House and at the Obama campaign, have claimed that he called the Benghazi attack "terrorism" from the outset, in his Sep. 12 address from the Rose Garden. The media have pushed back, noting that the White House rejected terrorism as an explanation in the days that followed. But there is an even simpler reason to reject the Obama camp's explanation: it is a demonstrable lie, as a reading of Obama's actual remarks instantly reveals.Obama mentioned the word "terror" once in his Sep. 12 statement: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." But the context of that statement suggests strongly that President Obama was referring to terror in general, not specifically to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi or the violent demonstrations at the U.S. embassy in Cairo.Furthermore, Obama's reference to "terror" came near the end of his statement. His initial description of the attacks, at the start of his statement, portrayed them as an excessive response to the anti-Islam video upon which the Obama relied for days and weeks thereafter: "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence."Obama did use the word "terrorists" in his Sep. 18 appearance on the David Letterman Show. But he used it to claim that the "terrorists" had acted only in response to the anti-Islamic video, taking advantage of public outrage against it. As we now know--and as the administration (at least the State Department) knew at the time--there had been no public demonstration of outrage at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.That marked the beginning of a subtle distinction that the administration attempted to make for several weeks: the difference between terrorism as an action (or reaction), and terrorism as an independent motive or cause.

 

[adonis]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

Quotes really mean nothing without context.

They "mean nothing" without context, but if you state that a person did or didn't say a specific phrase, and you're wrong, and your main point is about context and big picture, you've made a mistake and staked your ground in the wrong place.

You're really reaching now.

What are you talking about?Read the transcript of what Obama said. It's not much of a reach to see that he was lumping in what happened there with other acts of terror. The words acts of terror were in his transcript/speech on the day he said it was.Again, Romney misplayed this by choosing to focus in on the wording. Had he simply insisted that Obama didn't classify it as a terrorist attack until much later, he would've been on more solid ground.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care. And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

You are wrong. Dead wrong.

 

[sporthenry]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

Well who cut money from the State Department which goes into the security? Would that be the House controlled Republicans? They cut funding by 128 million in 2011 and 331 million in 2012.

So they denied security requests because of lack of funding? Is that something the State Department said? Do you have a link?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-embassy-security-cuts-draw-democrats-scrutinyI doubt we'll ever know why the security requests were denied and who did it, but Republicans aren't innocent in this either.

 

[StrikeS2k]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

Problem is Romney's idea's of Foreign Policy would bite him in his own rear end, being that policy is Foreign to him.

Personally, I don't really care that much about Romney's foreign policy at this point. Until a person is elected President they can't have Presidential foreign policy experience. That said, I think he will be better than Obama. Romney will have a good team of advisers with plenty of foreign policy experience if he's elected. He needs to be intelligent enough to evaluate the information he's given from those people and make a good decision. I have more faith in him doing that than Obama.

 

[phrozen]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

can you expand on this Tim? first time i have heard you mention this tonight

 

[chet]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

She is going to take a lot of heat over this, and deservedly so. BO is a big loser on this one.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

The same way Obama was able to strong arm the Bureau of Labor and Statistics to alter the unemployment numbers.

 

[StrikeS2k]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

Well who cut money from the State Department which goes into the security? Would that be the House controlled Republicans? They cut funding by 128 million in 2011 and 331 million in 2012.

So they denied security requests because of lack of funding? Is that something the State Department said? Do you have a link?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-embassy-security-cuts-draw-democrats-scrutinyI doubt we'll ever know why the security requests were denied and who did it, but Republicans aren't innocent in this either.

That angle has already been thoroughly debunked. That partisan attack is so last week.

 

[Run It Up]

Personally, I don't really care that much about Romney's foreign policy at this point. Until a person is elected President they can't have Presidential foreign policy experience. That said, I think he will be better than Obama. Romney will have a good team of advisers with plenty of foreign policy experience if he's elected. He needs to be intelligent enough to evaluate the information he's given from those people and make a good decision. I have more faith in him doing that than Obama.

Idk about that, Mitt has been pretty vocal about Russia and Iran being are biggest non-economic threats.

 

[drummer]

For several days, and again on this week's Sunday morning shows, President Barack Obama's spokespeople, both at the White House and at the Obama campaign, have claimed that he called the Benghazi attack "terrorism" from the outset, in his Sep. 12 address from the Rose Garden.

The media have pushed back, noting that the White House rejected terrorism as an explanation in the days that followed.

But there is an even simpler reason to reject the Obama camp's explanation: it is a demonstrable lie, as a reading of Obama's actual remarks instantly reveals.

Obama mentioned the word "terror" once in his Sep. 12 statement: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." But the context of that statement suggests strongly that President Obama was referring to terror in general, not specifically to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi or the violent demonstrations at the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

Furthermore, Obama's reference to "terror" came near the end of his statement. His initial description of the attacks, at the start of his statement, portrayed them as an excessive response to the anti-Islam video upon which the Obama relied for days and weeks thereafter: "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence."

Obama did use the word "terrorists" in his Sep. 18 appearance on the David Letterman Show. But he used it to claim that the "terrorists" had acted only in response to the anti-Islamic video, taking advantage of public outrage against it. As we now know--and as the administration (at least the State Department) knew at the time--there had been no public demonstration of outrage at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

That marked the beginning of a subtle distinction that the administration attempted to make for several weeks: the difference between terrorism as an action (or reaction), and terrorism as an independent motive or cause.

How much more Terror do you need?

 

[Courtjester]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Why did Obama continue to say the attack was due to the video for many days after the attack including a speech to the UN?

Seems like Romneys general point was correct, but factually about what was said, Obama and the moderator were correct.

I think this is correct as well. I really felt the moderator sort of overstepped her role there. It is not her position to correct either one of them. If the President says something wrong and Romney doesn't catch it, it wouldn't be her job to correct it either. She is supposed to be impartial.I am voting for Romney, I have made that clear, but tonight the President did what he needed to do. He had to be aggressive, stop the bleeding and get back on track. Tonight I would rate it a 10-9 round for Obama--with the first debate being a 10-8 round for Romney. This could go either way and voter turnout will be the key.

 

[badmojo1006]

I flipped on FoxNews for a second and Sean Hannity claimed the Libya question was his strongest moment. His two guests instantly shook their heads saying he botched that totally.

 

[ZBTHorton]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care. And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

I am the exact type of voter Romney should be courting and I can't think of a single issue I care less about than this whole Libya mess.

 

[timschochet]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care. And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

You are wrong. Dead wrong.

I've been wrong before and always willing to admit it. And I will this time, if it turns out to be the case.But you had better be able to prove that I'm wrong, because on this subject I'm pretty confident about what I wrote.

 

[Zegras11]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

I'm rootin' for ya

I was in this thread to take my mind off the game for a few moments. :X

wat. Why would you come here after such a great game?

 

[adonis]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

Fact checkers disagree.

 

[RBM]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

Problem is Romney's idea's of Foreign Policy would bite him in his own rear end, being that policy is Foreign to him.

Personally, I don't really care that much about Romney's foreign policy at this point. Until a person is elected President they can't have Presidential foreign policy experience. That said, I think he will be better than Obama. Romney will have a good team of advisers with plenty of foreign policy experience if he's elected. He needs to be intelligent enough to evaluate the information he's given from those people and make a good decision. I have more faith in him doing that than Obama.

Especially when O has that idiot Biden in his ear

 

[Slapdash]

Wolf presented the poll as 46 - 39 Obama and said there was 8 point increase in sampling Republicans over their normal polls. Then he said that meant it was a tie. Isn't that backwards?

Wolf is still trying to figure out if little Falcon was in that balloon.

These dooshes just keep doing it.

 

[jonessed]

Bottom Line. When you wake up tomorrow...

Gas Prices are ?

Unemployment ?

How much does the USA owe?

Gas Prices are determined on the open global market. If you think the President has that much if any sway on the gas prices, you'll be sorely mistaken. If you want prices to go down, you'll have to stop India, China, and Brazil from industrializing. As far as how much US owes? Well they owe most of it to America so it isn't as bad as people claim. China owes 8% of our debt, most of our debt is owed to us Americans. We certainly have to address it but it isn't as pressing as most people think.

How long do you think these countries have been industrializing?

Look at the facts, in 2010, China's demand went up 12%, Latin America 5.7%, etc. The US was actually a net exporter of refined oil, so we had more refined oil then we needed.

Those countries have been industrializing for years and gas prices have been up and down.

You haven't used a shred of evidence. Just emoticons and "they've been industrializing for years". Well developing countries have been growing faster than developed countries meaning there are more mouths to feed. Developing countries are using more oil as a % then they used to which means more demand which means higher prices. Simple supply and demand.

What do you want evidence of? That these countries have been industrializing their economies at a rapid rate for years or that gas prices have fluctuated over that time? In 2009 gas prices were over $4.00/gal at one point and under $2.00/gal at another. Do you think China stopped industrializing for half the year?

 

[GoBirds]

Obama clearly won, but it wasnt as decisive as debate 1. Will be interesting to see what impact this has on Romney's recent momentum

Basically, not close to the 1st. Next week should be interesting, hopefully back to the initial format?

What? The town hall format is money.President Obama brought the goods tonight, but Governor Romney certainly wasn't a push over. Some of the best moments of tonight's debate occurred when both candidates were standing and neither seemed willing to sit down or let the other get in the last word. Overall, the town hall debate format is the best and tonight was no different.

Ehh, while I like the questions and seeing how they react it seemed like even more BS and using their talking points to avoid some questions.

 

[chet]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

Like you, your fact checkers have already made up their mind on the issue.

 

[adonis]

I haven't seen many more clips of the look Obama gave Romney when he called his comments on Libya offensive.

 

[drummer]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

First of all, if they're doing a cover up that's a political move. Second, no one is putting all the blame on Obama. However, it's ridiculous to think he wasn't aware of the MULTIPLE previous attacks on our compound there over the last 6 months. It's also ridiculous that they actually decreased security in that time frame despite those attacks, attacks on other embassies in Libya, and given the general unstable nature of the country. So, the entire issue has shown Obama's administration to be either totally incompetent or something. Throw in Fast and Furious and the actions and policies of this administration have been DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of a number of Americans. Not to mention the countless number of Mexicans killed with F&F weapons. Also, there's Obama's treatment of Israel. There's Egypt. There's plenty of foreign policy stuff for Romney to hammer Obama on.

Problem is Romney's idea's of Foreign Policy would bite him in his own rear end, being that policy is Foreign to him.

Personally, I don't really care that much about Romney's foreign policy at this point. Until a person is elected President they can't have Presidential foreign policy experience. That said, I think he will be better than Obama. Romney will have a good team of advisers with plenty of foreign policy experience if he's elected. He needs to be intelligent enough to evaluate the information he's given from those people and make a good decision. I have more faith in him doing that than Obama.

I disagree, just from who his current advisers are, and his willingness to go to war. I see Romney as a total puppet in that regard.

 

[phrozen]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

so why did he not say it was an act of terror and continue to blame the video in subsequent appearances? (view, letterman,etc)

 

[bigbottom]

Obama resorting to outright lies tonight. He said gas and oil leases & production are up on federal lands when even his DoE released a report recently showing both leases and production are down considerably.

I don't think he said leases are up. I believe that the assertion was that since he tool office production is up on federal lands.

That's definitely not true. Down 14% per the dems on ABC.

The report I saw on NBC said down 14% for the period from 2010 to 2011 (after deep water horizon) but up since Obama took office in Jan. 2009. If that's the case, looks like Obama was right and Romney was cherry-picking a shorter time period. I'm sure that the numbers will be sorted out pretty soon. Should be pretty easy to verify one way or the other I would think.

Yep, this appears to be the case. Down 13.77% in 2011 from 2010 levels, but a net increase of 10.6% from 2009 to 2011. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/16/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-oil-production-down-14-percent-ye/Romney's initial statement that oil production on federal lands was down 14% last year was correct. But when Obama said oil production on federal lands was up since he took office, he was absolutely right it appears.

 

[adonis]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

Unlike you, fact checkers and I have looked at the facts and concluded that factually the president and the moderator were technically correct, but the overall point Romney was making was valid, he just chose poor place to stake his claim on the argument.It's easy to let this go as a mistake for Romney. There are other things in the debate to focus on that he did well. Just let it go

 

[timschochet]

I haven't seen many more clips of the look Obama gave Romney when he called his comments on Libya offensive.

That was Obama's strongest moment of the night.

 

[chet]

I challenge you guys to find an independent, a progressive, or even a moderate, centrist Republican who thinks that the Libya issue is a big deal. If you believe it is a big deal, you are a right-wing Republican who is already planning on voting for Romney. Nothing wrong with that, but you ARE wrong if you think this story will have any legs whatsoever with the American public. Only partisans care. And if conservative talk show hosts spend the next several days arguing over what Obama said in the Rose Garden, no one will pay attention to that either. Romney tried, he got slapped down, it's over. Chalk it up as a loss and let's keep discussing the economy because it's the only way that Romney can win. Any foreign policy discussion is a victory for Obama..

I am the exact type of voter Romney should be courting and I can't think of a single issue I care less about than this whole Libya mess.

I agree, but it becomes an issue when the mod lies for BO and BO has a "depends on what the definition of is is" moment.

 

[adonis]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.

so why did he not say it was an act of terror and continue to blame the video in subsequent appearances? (view, letterman,etc)

And THAT is what Romney should've focused on.