The Commish
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It won't take long to get the chain emails going. They should be able to "process it" in no time.
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Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (1 Viewer)
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
maybe if the President had played it straight. But now the public has to feel like they just got played on this whole YouTube angle.......and not just the public, but the whole international community..
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larry_boy_44
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she did lie.Obama did not state that the attack was a terrorist attack, rather after bringing up actual terrorist attacks he said "no acts of terror will stop us". Proof is in the fact that NO ONE in the Obama Administration would call it a terrorist attack for over 2 weeks.The problem is the Media is falling all over themselves trying to make Obama look good every chance they get.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ironically, it's the non-accounted for 15% that will likely decide (and in specific states no less) who "won" whe they vote in November. It really doesn't matter if card carry Dems scream "Obama won round 2!!" or card carrying Republicans talking about "acts of terror" in general or specifically. What matters is what the independents and undecided voters think and how they vote in November.
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Jewell
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Wishful thinking. It's the American public that we're talking about. Almost immediately after the debate their mental processing went back to their job, their kids, and who to vote off Dancing With The Stars.As the deodorant commercial used to say, "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." The impression that Obama was correct that he labelled Benghazi an act of terror (thanks to an assist from Crowley) will stick with most people who watched the debate.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Are people seriously interpreting this "act of terror" nonsense and anything other than an obvious but ultimately insignificant gaffe by Romney?
Amazing. Please continue.
Amazing. Please continue.
toshiba
Footballguy
He called it attacks multiple times, then he lists other attacks and finally says "No Acts of Terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values we stand for."Then he later calls the people attackers again. Any logical person sees that he is calling this attack a terrorist attack.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDANcaPx1xg
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed about Libya now playing a bigger role in the campaign...oddly enough the fact the Moderator got involved has made it a bigger issue as it's now something people are talking about...agree or disagree about the "act of terror" v. terrorism this will be the one of the main topics of the next few days...that is a plus for Romney as the focus is on Obama and this is an event that has not been handled well by Administration and his main-defense is going to be word-parsing...after that his campaign needs to discuss the video debacle (and Obama bringing it up six times at the UN) as well as why Rice said what she did on those news shows and any other fall-out from a US Ambassador being killed...
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think you've diagnosed the problem here.
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
How "you didn't build that" of you.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think it's a stupid issue, but he was right and Crowley was wrong. Crowley admits as much.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.Obama:
"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."
Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..
Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Debating gas prices exposes seriousness. Presidents don't influence the price of gas in any real way. It's not tied to prosperity or economic health. It's tied to the global oil price. It's no more complicated than that. I understand the politics of this, but the reality is that gas is a global commodity and priced as such.Obama:
"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."
Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..
Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..
That entire exchange on gas prices made us stupider for having watched it.
Abraham
Footballguy
You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.Obama:
"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."
Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..
Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..
timschochet
Footballguy
What's more amazing is that a lot of conservatives want to double down on this and continue to attack Obama over Libya.
Boston
Footballguy
You can make a 1,000 points about gas prices and everyone of them can be correct but when prices are high it hurts the average American and is nothing but a negative to the sitting President whether he has an R or a D next to his name...either party would be politically foolish not to use this topic when prices are hovering around 4.00...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
True, but that just goes to show that undecided voters aren't very bright.You do realize that was one of three lines all night (all three by Obama) that elicited a solid crowd reaction? You can laugh all you want, but it worked at the moment.Obama:
"Well, think about what the governor -- think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney's now promoting. So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."
Reminds me of him explaining Clinton era tax rates bringing back Clinton era prosperity..
Does this man know how this thing works? Doesn't seem like it..
timschochet
Footballguy
Several posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
what's more amazing is that, knowing that the US was attacked by terrorists, the Administartion would go in front of the world and posit that this happened because we have too much free speech ("abuse"). Just like Giffords and Oklahoma City, it's that darned free speech again.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I had to google this. She said he was "right in the main, but picked the wrong words." That's not really the same thing as saying he was right and she was wrong.He tried to make a point- that they weren't strong enough in denouncing it as terrorism in the first week or two after the attack. But he chose his words very poorly, and instead said something that was demonstrably false- that the President didn't call it an act of terror for 14 days, when he very obviously did so the next day. That's really all there is to it.Anyway, we all know what's gonna get the most attention in the aftermath of debate #2- bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com
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toshiba
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There isn't oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
Oh yeah, they're doubling down on that one.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Talk about something our nation can ill afford...
timschochet
Footballguy
She doesn't admit she was wrong there.Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
Abraham
Footballguy
Gas prices or stupidity?
toshiba
Footballguy
Basically he did call it a terror attack the day ofter, but other chatter from the administration still said it was about the tape. But either way still a terror attack.I had to google this. She said he was "right in the main, but picked the wrong words." That's not really the same thing as saying he was right and she was wrong.He tried to make a point- that they weren't strong enough in denouncing it as terrorism in the first week or two after the attack. But he chose his words very poorly, and instead said something that was demonstrably false- that the President didn't call it an act of terror for 14 days, when he very obviously did so the next day. That's really all there is to it.Anyway, we all know what's gonna get the most attention in the aftermath of debate #2- bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com
timschochet
Footballguy
I never heard this. Do you have a link to an Obama administration person stating that "we have too much free speech"?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I couldn't get the link to the tumblr to work, but it's worth checking out for a good laugh or two. I think my favorite is the Beyonce "Better Put Three Rings On It" one.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The latter.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
She admits that Romney's basic point was correct and that she was nitpicking his verbiage.She doesn't admit she was wrong there.Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
That's the case on my Facebook certainly
sporthenry
Footballguy
He was right in his general line of questioning but he was wrong about Obama not using act of terror in his speech. And find me where Crowley admits she was wrong. This is the beauty of the conservative spin, she never admits she was wrong in fact she was dead on because she actually said Obama used act of terror in his speech but that Romney was right about them saying it was about a tape but the crowd was cheering at that point and Romney didn't make a point about this. Crowley might say she was wrong to interject but she was right about the facts, Mitt did a terrible job trying to get Obama on semantics instead of the big picture and that is what Crowley said when people say she "admitted she was wrong"
This one?I couldn't get the link to the tumblr to work, but it's worth checking out for a good laugh or two. I think my favorite is the Beyonce "Better Put Three Rings On It" one.
chet
Footballguy
Pickles--the price of oil isn't tied to economic health? Not your best post.
timschochet
Footballguy
No, I didn't get that either. Certainly not the "nitpicking" part.Romney made a fool of himself by repeatedly asking if Obama used the words "act of terror." He was trying to catch Obama in a lie. That was his main point, not criticizing Obama for blaming the video. The latter would have been a valid criticism, but Romney never made it. His intent was much more direct: to show the TV audience that Obama made a statement that was clearly false. Instead, as Crowley correctly and properly pointed out, it was Romney who made the false statement. Highly embarrassing, and Romney deserves all the criticism he is getting for it.She admits that Romney's basic point was correct and that she was nitpicking his verbiage.She doesn't admit she was wrong there.Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If Obama is personally responsIble for 4 dead in Egypt, by that logic, how is bush not responsible for 2900 dead in NYC, dc and pa?this is schtick , right? You can't possibly be this nutty
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So the takeaway is that the polls say Obama won by about an 8% margin. Unfortunately for him, they also say that he lost the economics debate by about a 40% margin. Also, the MSNBC panel's undecideds actually had Romney winning the debate overall.
With the economy being the biggest issue for this election, I don't see how any rational person can claim last night as a big win for Obama when he is still getting clobbered on the #1 issue.
With the economy being the biggest issue for this election, I don't see how any rational person can claim last night as a big win for Obama when he is still getting clobbered on the #1 issue.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I was wondering that, too...She didn't exactly have anything with a network connection either. So how did she know what he did or didn't say at that exact moment like that?
Fennis
Footballguy
to be fair, of all the video tapes released, Michelle Obama clapping is the most damning.
No, I didn't get that either. Certainly not the "nitpicking" part.Romney made a fool of himself by repeatedly asking if Obama used the words "act of terror." He was trying to catch Obama in a lie. That was his main point, not criticizing Obama for blaming the video. The latter would have been a valid criticism, but Romney never made it. His intent was much more direct: to show the TV audience that Obama made a statement that was clearly false. Instead, as Crowley correctly and properly pointed out, it was Romney who made the false statement. Highly embarrassing, and Romney deserves all the criticism he is getting for it.She admits that Romney's basic point was correct and that she was nitpicking his verbiage.She doesn't admit she was wrong there.Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
sporthenry
Footballguy
She explained it as she actually heard the President's speech and read up on it because she knew it would come up. But God forbid someone can remember something like that.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Exactly. Rather than try to make a more complicated, yet valid argument about what exactly the Administration said about the attacks, Romney deliberately tried to catch Obama in a lie. It was a cheap attack and it blew up in his face.He was right in his general line of questioning but he was wrong about Obama not using act of terror in his speech. And find me where Crowley admits she was wrong. This is the beauty of the conservative spin, she never admits she was wrong in fact she was dead on because she actually said Obama used act of terror in his speech but that Romney was right about them saying it was about a tape but the crowd was cheering at that point and Romney didn't make a point about this.
Crowley might say she was wrong to interject but she was right about the facts, Mitt did a terrible job trying to get Obama on semantics instead of the big picture and that is what Crowley said when people say she "admitted she was wrong"
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The questions were all pre-screened and Crowley picked which ones were going to be discussed. This was talked about before the debate.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Romney was virtually stomping his feet. That entire exchange he sounded like a big baby. I think the crowd was ready to move on, and when he was hoist by his own petard, they were eager to applaud it.No, I didn't get that either. Certainly not the "nitpicking" part.Romney made a fool of himself by repeatedly asking if Obama used the words "act of terror." He was trying to catch Obama in a lie. That was his main point, not criticizing Obama for blaming the video. The latter would have been a valid criticism, but Romney never made it. His intent was much more direct: to show the TV audience that Obama made a statement that was clearly false. Instead, as Crowley correctly and properly pointed out, it was Romney who made the false statement. Highly embarrassing, and Romney deserves all the criticism he is getting for it.She admits that Romney's basic point was correct and that she was nitpicking his verbiage.She doesn't admit she was wrong there.Here's oneSeveral posters have asserted this but I can't find any link.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
For you conspiracy theorists out there - the funniest part of the Beghazi exchange was when President Obama told Candy - get out the transcript...almost as if it was preplanned. Now, back to As the World Turns.Basically he did call it a terror attack the day ofter, but other chatter from the administration still said it was about the tape. But either way still a terror attack.I had to google this. She said he was "right in the main, but picked the wrong words." That's not really the same thing as saying he was right and she was wrong.He tried to make a point- that they weren't strong enough in denouncing it as terrorism in the first week or two after the attack. But he chose his words very poorly, and instead said something that was demonstrably false- that the President didn't call it an act of terror for 14 days, when he very obviously did so the next day. That's really all there is to it.Anyway, we all know what's gonna get the most attention in the aftermath of debate #2- bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com
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