Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (1 Viewer)

[sporthenry]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

I think the only anger you should hear from the right is because of the dope moderator getting involved to aid Obama. If she was doing those little fact checks all night for both sides, fine, but to pick that one time to do it was not in good taste.

She said Obama was right on the phrase and that Romney was right on the more susbtantive point.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.MS. CROWLEY: It — he did in fact, sir.So let me — let me call it an act of terrorism — (inaudible) —PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.MR. ROMNEY: This — the administration — the administration — (applause) — indicated that this was a — a reaction to a — to a video and was a spontaneous reaction.MS. CROWLEY: They did.

I don't know why we all just can't agree to this point. Perhaps not the more substantive part but I'd say the bigger point he was trying to make. But either way, Crowley seemed dead on, just the audience and probably America stopped listening after his first point.

 

[sublimeone]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

I think the only anger you should hear from the right is because of the dope moderator getting involved to aid Obama. If she was doing those little fact checks all night for both sides, fine, but to pick that one time to do it was not in good taste.

The anger I've seen from several people on FB is that Obama was spouting BS the whole time. Even saw someone post "IS OBAMA EVER GOING TO OWN UP TO BENGHAZI?!?!" after he did just that in the debate.. twice.It's a type of general anger that usually happens when someone you hate is doing well.

weird, I'm not seeing this reaction at all.

 

[humpback]

I agree that it isn't a top issue for most people, but the rest of this is , and so is Tim's stance here. It's pretty clear that some people care about this, even if you want to argue that they shouldn't. They do.

When I say nobody, what I mean is nobody that matters in terms of this debate. In other words, I don't believe independents and swing voters care about this. (Outside of Bigbottom, that is.) Conservatives certainly care about it, but they're already voting for Romney, so how they perceive this debate makes little difference.

Tim, You are aware that last night's audience was made up of Independent/undecided voters, aren't you?

That guy who asked the Libya question was definitely undecided.

But he and some guys were sitting around at work and talking about this issue. That whole presentation from him was off.

That "undecided voter" was really bad at veiling his hatred for the President.

Same goes for the "undecided voter" who wanted to know how the candidates differed from the Bush administration which got us into this mess.

We need more posters like this.

 

[17seconds]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

I think the only anger you should hear from the right is because of the dope moderator getting involved to aid Obama. If she was doing those little fact checks all night for both sides, fine, but to pick that one time to do it was not in good taste.

She said Obama was right on the phrase and that Romney was right on the more susbtantive point.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.MS. CROWLEY: It — he did in fact, sir.So let me — let me call it an act of terrorism — (inaudible) —PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.MR. ROMNEY: This — the administration — the administration — (applause) — indicated that this was a — a reaction to a — to a video and was a spontaneous reaction.MS. CROWLEY: They did.

Obama wins this argument handily. Romney seemed clueless that Obama even used the word "terror". Now there's this semantics argument post-debate which doesn't matter either. The criticism has been that Obama avoided relating it to terrorism because of the election. Clearly that is false even though he didn't officially declare it an act of terror immediately (which would have been irresponsible).

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The Debate Romney Won

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Bullish Democrats are calling it a blow-out. Pundits are giving the president the slight edge. And the late-night insta-polls splashed across cable news chyrons initially appeared to give Obama a solid, if not game-changing, win.

But the Romney campaign spent the hours after the contest contending that the debate strengthened their position — and they may have a point.

A CNN/ORC International poll published late Tuesday identified Obama has the overall winner, 46 percent to 39 percent.

But the poll also showed that Romney won on virtually every issue he's chosen to place at the center of his campaign, from handling of the economy and tax policy, to the deficit and even health care. The Republican National Committee quickly seized on the results, and blasted out screenshots of Wolf Blitzer standing behind a giant, illuminated screen displaying the findings.

"I like the numbers," said one senior Romney adviser in the lobby of a nearby Marriott hours after the debate. As he spoke, he waved an iPad with the RNC press release pulled up on the screen, and repeatedly gestured toward it as he tried to convince a small group of reporters that Romney came out on top — horserace analysis be damned.

"I think the president hurt himself with women," he said. "He had no answer on gas prices, which our polling shows is one of the biggest concerns for women." He added that the president came off "as a weak leader."

Senior adviser Kevin Madden similarly highlighted Obama's response on gas prices, arguing that Romney's performance played better with the middle class than with the pundits.

Obama aides themselves seemed to grant Romney the win on the economic questions — particularly his answer to an undecided voter that entailed a biting critique of Obama. Easily shifting into a stump speech riff he's been practicing for a year, Romney went through a point-by-point indictment of the president's economic record, and attempted to tap into the disillusionment many 2008 Obama supporters have expressed.

"I think you know better," Romney told the disappointed voter. "I think you know that these last four years haven't been so good as the president just described and that you don't feel like your confident that the next four years are going to be much better either."

It was Romney's strongest moment of the debate — and the weakest moment for Obama, who, surprisingly, chose not to challenge the Republican on his response. The Romney campaign turned part of the exchange into a campaign ad.

After the debate, Obama surrogates emphasized topics like immigration, equal pay, and Libya, while almost completely ignoring Romney's rhetoric on the economy.

Their only statements on the issue: Top Obama aides repeated the president's prepared attack that Romney's tax and jobs plans are "sketchy."

"If you go with Gov. Romney, you're going to risk going back to the same failed polices that wrecked the economy and he's got a sketchy deal on taxes and jobs that won't work for you," said senior adviser David Plouffe on the message Obama tried to convey on the economy in the debate.

But Team Romney smelled victory on that issue. A Romney aide said afterward that he is still planning to give a major speech on debt and deficits between the third debate and Election Day.

Some of that article may be accurate, but Obama certainly did not lose ground with women or look like a weak leader.

 

[DoubleG]

That "undecided voter" was really bad at veiling his hatred for the President.

Same goes for the "undecided voter" who wanted to know how the candidates differed from the Bush administration which got us into this mess.

We need more posters like this.

Big Bottom is good people. He's fair - except of course, when he disagrees with me.

 

[17seconds]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

 

[Zegras11]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

And if they lose, it'll be his fault entirely. See what I did there?

Just answer your PM Otis.I gave you even money and you reply to this w/o a PM reply?

 

[sublimeone]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

just telling it like it is brochacho

 

[bigbottom]

That "undecided voter" was really bad at veiling his hatred for the President.

Same goes for the "undecided voter" who wanted to know how the candidates differed from the Bush administration which got us into this mess.

We need more posters like this.

Big Bottom is good people. He's fair - except of course, when he disagrees with me.

Feelin' the love.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

I think the only anger you should hear from the right is because of the dope moderator getting involved to aid Obama. If she was doing those little fact checks all night for both sides, fine, but to pick that one time to do it was not in good taste.

The anger I've seen from several people on FB is that Obama was spouting BS the whole time. Even saw someone post "IS OBAMA EVER GOING TO OWN UP TO BENGHAZI?!?!" after he did just that in the debate.. twice.It's a type of general anger that usually happens when someone you hate is doing well.

They are like teenage schoolgirls left home on prom night.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

 

[DoubleG]

Feelin' the love.

 

[StrikeS2k]

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

That "undecided voter" was really bad at veiling his hatred for the President.

Same goes for the "undecided voter" who wanted to know how the candidates differed from the Bush administration which got us into this mess.

We need more posters like this.

Big Bottom is good people. He's fair - except of course, when he disagrees with me.

Feelin' the love.

I will say of all the posters BB is evenhanded and fair.

 

[Slapdash]

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Comparing Maddow to Moore? Now Tgunz is going to have to come in here to defend his man.

 

[pantherclub]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

 

[17seconds]

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Not touching this one

 

[DoubleG]

Feelin' the love.

I will say of all the posters BB is evenhanded and fair.

I agree with you. :confetti:We might want to bookmark this thread - I'm not sure I'll type that too often when responding to a FSM post.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Yes, if there's one thing I think of when I think of Rachel Maddow, it's how terribly fair she is.

 

[17seconds]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder. They didn't have enough security at one of many dozen consulates in the middle east and then they ####ed up communicating the message to the media later. BFD. Compare that to no WMDs which led to a decade of war and 100s of thousands of deaths.

 

[DoubleG]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

- you haven't read a single post in the last 2 pages have you?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Comparing Maddow to Moore? Now Tgunz is going to have to come in here to defend his man.

I am comparing the right's reaction to them.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Yes, if there's one thing I think of when I think of Rachel Maddow, it's how terribly fair she is.

I know it is just terrible - I am always throwing my wine at the TV. She needs to get more biased and partisan to compete with Fox.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Yes, if there's one thing I think of when I think of Rachel Maddow, it's how terribly fair she is.

I know it is just terrible - I am always throwing my wine at the TV. She needs to get more biased and partisan to compete with Fox.

Then you're clearly not watch Rachel Maddow. She would agree with Obama if he said the earth was square and then go on her show to defend it.

 

[The Commish]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

I was wondering that, too...She didn't exactly have anything with a network connection either. So how did she know what he did or didn't say at that exact moment like that?

The questions were all pre-screened and Crowley picked which ones were going to be discussed. This was talked about before the debate.

So she memorized the exact quote?Or did she decide to have the transcript right there with her?Either way, not really appropriate. It isn't her place to fact check (and if she's going to, she should be fact-checking everything).(and before you say its because it hurt Romney, I'd say the same thing if it was done to Obama)

If I had my way, they'd be on lie detectors during the whole thing. Not sure why calling someone on their lie is inappropriate. It should be done more often IMO.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder. They didn't have enough security at one of many dozen consulates in the middle east and then they ####ed up communicating the message to the media later. BFD. Compare that to no WMDs which led to a decade of war and 100s of thousands of deaths.

That's only one piece. The other is the failed attempt to cover it up and deliberately lying to the world about it.

 

[pantherclub]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder. They didn't have enough security at one of many dozen consulates in the middle east and then they ####ed up communicating the message to the media later. BFD. Compare that to no WMDs which led to a decade of war and 100s of thousands of deaths.

That's only one piece. The other is the failed attempt to cover it up and deliberately lying to the world about it.

Do you have a link detailing this cover up. Because as the Pres said last night they just got it wrong.

 

[Dickies]

Whether you think O won or Mr Romney won, it was close, and no way did anything happen that would give the legions of voters who flocked to Team Romney after the first reason to flip again.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Anyone seen the latest gallup poll? Looks like Romney gained another point.

(sorry if this was posted already).

 

[MaxThreshold]

Whether you think O won or Mr Romney won, it was close, and no way did anything happen that would give the legions of voters who flocked to Team Romney after the first reason to flip again.

You sure about that? You might want to take a look again how Romney has gained more momentum since the 1st debate. In fact, you can even take a look at the gallup poll i just posted above.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Whether you think O won or Mr Romney won, it was close, and no way did anything happen that would give the legions of voters who flocked to Team Romney after the first reason to flip again.

What's funny about this? Obama's lead in national polls completely disappeared after the first debate, with many polls now giving Romney a modest lead.

 

[RBM]

Whether you think O won or Mr Romney won, it was close, and no way did anything happen that would give the legions of voters who flocked to Team Romney after the first reason to flip again.

Really? You live under a rock or something?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anyone seen the latest gallup poll? Looks like Romney gained another point.

(sorry if this was posted already).

That's a seven day rolling average, which means its going to take several days for any bounce Obama might get from last night's debate to register.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Rachel Maddow's take on the debate was spot on. Romney was just as strong as the first debate but the prez was much, much better than last time. Had his best debate performance ever.

In the aftermath it's very easy to tell who won based on the partisan reactions. The right is either saying the debate was boring or that the moderator wasn't fair... A lot of anger on FB from the righties as well. Listened to a little bit of Wilkow Majority this AM and the guy spent forever talking about Libya.

I don't think Obama gets a big boost from last night but I do think it nullifies much of Romney's gain from the first debate. The sentiment that Romney owns Obama face to face is gone.

Do you disagree with her statement or are you just laughing at the name?

he's the same way FSM or Drummer would be if someone quoted Sean Hannity

I don't know about you but I pay attention to what someone says regardless of who it is. Maddow could have easily made a heavily biased summary, but I think the one she made was fair and correct.

If you watched her I think you would be surprised how fair and correct she is; Maddow is in a lot of ways is like Michael Moore. When people finally get around to watching one of his films like Bowling for Columbine and not just spouting right wing rhetoric against it- SURPRISE many times they find out that he does have a point. They might not completely agree with him on every point but he does outline a problem.

Maddow seems perfectly reasonable to her target audience - just as I assume Sean Hannity or his ilk seem perfectly reasonable, fair and balanced to their audience. Let me say as an outsider that MSNBC is so blatantly partisan that it is almost unwatchable except as comic relief. Fox is also so blatantly partisan that I can't take it seriously. CNN is about the only cable news network I can tolerate anymore and then only in small doses.

 

[pantherclub]

Anyone seen the latest gallup poll? Looks like Romney gained another point.

(sorry if this was posted already).

Thats not really an up to date poll. But keep trying

 

[MaxThreshold]

Anyone seen the latest gallup poll? Looks like Romney gained another point.

(sorry if this was posted already).

Thats not really an up to date poll. But keep trying

October 16th isn't up to date?

 

[RBM]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

 

[17seconds]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder. They didn't have enough security at one of many dozen consulates in the middle east and then they ####ed up communicating the message to the media later. BFD. Compare that to no WMDs which led to a decade of war and 100s of thousands of deaths.

That's only one piece. The other is the failed attempt to cover it up and deliberately lying to the world about it.

What was covered up?Within 24 hrs Obama and Clinton said there was an "outrageous and shocking attack" which was an "act of terror".Then there was an investigation where they went off on this theory that it was a response to the video. (what is that providing cover for?)Then some time later they officially called it a terror attack and recently Clinton and Obama both admitted responsibility.Really, this is a bad thing that happened and wasn't handled well but the conspiratorial outrage is hilarious.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Whether you think O won or Mr Romney won, it was close, and no way did anything happen that would give the legions of voters who flocked to Team Romney after the first reason to flip again.

What's funny about this? Obama's lead in national polls completely disappeared after the first debate, with many polls now giving Romney a modest lead.

Rasmussen still has it:Obama: 237

Romney: 181

Toss-up: 120

 

[snowmonkey501]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

not so much

 

[pantherclub]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

didnt bush have a lot of embassies attack with more causalities?

 

[snowmonkey501]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

pretty sure you don't have the pulse of conservatives.

 

[snowmonkey501]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

 

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Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

 

[pantherclub]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

cliff notes?

 

[snowmonkey501]

At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

The same way Obama was able to strong arm the Bureau of Labor and Statistics to alter the unemployment numbers.

he had to get gov moonbeam to withhold california's unemployment numbers too. there's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

Why do you need details? you didn't ask for them back in 2008 when you voted for Obama. You just voted for a slick campaign slogan - no details necessary. Remember "hope and change"?Seems to me you progressives should be the LAST ones asking for details.

 

[pantherclub]

Romney still can't give specifics on how he going to make his tax cut work. The sad part is that he's very close to conning into way into the Presidency.

apparently you weren't paying attention to what he said last night.

Maybe you can explain it then.My link

Why do you need details? you didn't ask for them back in 2008 when you voted for Obama. You just voted for a slick campaign slogan - no details necessary. Remember "hope and change"?Seems to me you progressives should be the LAST ones asking for details.

He was pretty explicit about his Universal Health Care, ending the wars and using TARP. What are you confused about?

 

[RBM]

Its funny that the right is desperately trying to make Libya a huge deal when nobody really cares about it.

It's such a trivial blunder.

Tell that to the families of the deceased.

didnt bush have a lot of embassies attack with more causalities?

You freakin serious? Is Bush running? Grow up will ya...