Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (2 Viewers)

[Politician Spock]

What you said means you believe only an idiot would think that the ACTION of bringing down gas prices CAUSES an economic downturn. I, and everybody else would agree. Nobody is saying that by somehow artificially bringing down gas prices the American economy would be hurt. What Obama and others were arguing was that the ACTION of an economic downturn CAUSES a drop in gas prices due to the lowering of demand.

You lefties are so full of it..

Lowest gas prices in recent history were during the Clinton era.. Worst economy in recent history is right now ($4 per gallon).. Care to reflect on the gas prices again with more nonsense?

How can anyone think the economy is worse now than it was in 2008-2009?

The Fed has the pedal to the floor, and the car is barely moving.... And if the Fed keeps the pedal to the floor, we're gonna blow the engine soon. We are far closer to disaster today than we were four years ago.... But I say that knowing it has little to nothing to do with Obama, nor will the winner be able to fix it.

 

[BoneYardDog]

When Obama insists that something that's not true is true, he loses his credibility and hurts himself...

Finally the blinders and wheels are coming off...

 

[drummer]

When Obama insists that something that's not true is true, he loses his credibility and hurts himself...Finally the blinders and wheels are coming off...

You ever check your head for tumors?

 

[BoneYardDog]

When Obama insists that something that's not true is true, he loses his credibility and hurts himself...Finally the blinders and wheels are coming off...

You ever check your head for tumors?

No but thank you for your concern...

A candidate does not have to share my faith, skin color, sing or be hip. He just has to be competent! That's why I support Mitt Romney

 

[Dickies]

When Obama insists that something that's not true is true, he loses his credibility and hurts himself...Finally the blinders and wheels are coming off...

You ever check your head for tumors?

No but thank you for your concern...

A candidate does not have to share my faith, skin color, sing or be hip. He just has to be competent! That's why I support Mitt Romney

No, you support him because of the R next to his name on the ballot.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Great leaders seek to empower everyone. Poor leaders are in it for themselves or to destroy others.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Great leaders seek to empower everyone. Poor leaders are in it for themselves or to destroy others.

Sounds like you should vote for Obama then.Obama - Health care reform for everybody.Romney - Job destroyer who guts businesses for profit.

 

[pittstownkiller]

not a super genius economist...

but if the issue is supply vs. demand then there are two says to solve high prices:

1. lower demand

2. increase supply

Obama seems to absolutely refuse to do #2. Which I don't understand.

Can anyone explain to me why, if we want to switch over to renewable energy full-time at some point in the future, we are conserving oil and coal and such? If we aren't gonna need it in 40 years, why aren't we using it now?

You ask why we don't increase supply, and then you ask why we don't reduce supply . . .Using oil now reduces the supply of oil, thus increasing the cost. (The more oil we use now, the less we'll be able to use in the future, which makes a gallon of oil in the future more valuable than it otherwise would be. So speculators will bid up the price of oil futures, which will increase the present cost of oil as well.)

In any case, I don't think the government should be trying to manipulate the consumption or conservation of oil except to internalize external costs (for example, by charging a tax on gasoline to reflect the costs of pollution). One thing that markets are much better at than politicians is using prices to smooth out consumption over time in a sensible way.

But here's the problem...You're assuming that we are never going to stop needing oil (which is impossible no matter what).

I'm going on the assumption that at some point we have to stop depending on oil and other non-renewable sources of, well, anything, THUS at some point oil is going to become worthless (which makes prospecting stupid long-term and only intelligent short term).

Preserving something we don't want to use forever is stupid. Or at least it seems stupid to me. Is that wrong? If so, why?

To put it simply, we don't have a clue when we will be able to replace it for all it's multifarious purposes, hence preservation makes sense.

This is some convoluted logic. We have to save oil for the future because we don't want to run out but we can conserve it now because we can get by without it?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm going on the assumption that at some point we have to stop depending on oil and other non-renewable sources of, well, anything, THUS at some point oil is going to become worthless (which makes prospecting stupid long-term and only intelligent short term).

We're going to stop depending on oil when some other source of energy becomes cheaper than oil. Another way of saying that is: we're going to stop depending on oil when oil gets relatively expensive.In other words, when we stop depending on oil, it won't be a sign that oil has become worthless; it will be a sign that oil has become very dear.

Preserving something we don't want to use forever is stupid. Or at least it seems stupid to me. Is that wrong? If so, why?

Preserving something makes sense if it will be more valuable later than it is now. Inducing the socially optimal ratio of consumption to conservation is what the market for oil futures is for.

 

[Ursa M]

not a super genius economist...

but if the issue is supply vs. demand then there are two says to solve high prices:

1. lower demand

2. increase supply

Obama seems to absolutely refuse to do #2. Which I don't understand.

Can anyone explain to me why, if we want to switch over to renewable energy full-time at some point in the future, we are conserving oil and coal and such? If we aren't gonna need it in 40 years, why aren't we using it now?

You ask why we don't increase supply, and then you ask why we don't reduce supply . . .Using oil now reduces the supply of oil, thus increasing the cost. (The more oil we use now, the less we'll be able to use in the future, which makes a gallon of oil in the future more valuable than it otherwise would be. So speculators will bid up the price of oil futures, which will increase the present cost of oil as well.)

In any case, I don't think the government should be trying to manipulate the consumption or conservation of oil except to internalize external costs (for example, by charging a tax on gasoline to reflect the costs of pollution). One thing that markets are much better at than politicians is using prices to smooth out consumption over time in a sensible way.

But here's the problem...You're assuming that we are never going to stop needing oil (which is impossible no matter what).

I'm going on the assumption that at some point we have to stop depending on oil and other non-renewable sources of, well, anything, THUS at some point oil is going to become worthless (which makes prospecting stupid long-term and only intelligent short term).

Preserving something we don't want to use forever is stupid. Or at least it seems stupid to me. Is that wrong? If so, why?

To put it simply, we don't have a clue when we will be able to replace it for all it's multifarious purposes, hence preservation makes sense.

This is some convoluted logic. We have to save oil for the future because we don't want to run out but we can conserve it now because we can get by without it?

Huh? :whoosh: It's simple. When you have a finite amount of something but don't know how long you need to make it last, it is prudent to use as little of it as possible.

 

[pittstownkiller]

not a super genius economist...

but if the issue is supply vs. demand then there are two says to solve high prices:

1. lower demand

2. increase supply

Obama seems to absolutely refuse to do #2. Which I don't understand.

Can anyone explain to me why, if we want to switch over to renewable energy full-time at some point in the future, we are conserving oil and coal and such? If we aren't gonna need it in 40 years, why aren't we using it now?

You ask why we don't increase supply, and then you ask why we don't reduce supply . . .Using oil now reduces the supply of oil, thus increasing the cost. (The more oil we use now, the less we'll be able to use in the future, which makes a gallon of oil in the future more valuable than it otherwise would be. So speculators will bid up the price of oil futures, which will increase the present cost of oil as well.)

In any case, I don't think the government should be trying to manipulate the consumption or conservation of oil except to internalize external costs (for example, by charging a tax on gasoline to reflect the costs of pollution). One thing that markets are much better at than politicians is using prices to smooth out consumption over time in a sensible way.

But here's the problem...You're assuming that we are never going to stop needing oil (which is impossible no matter what).

I'm going on the assumption that at some point we have to stop depending on oil and other non-renewable sources of, well, anything, THUS at some point oil is going to become worthless (which makes prospecting stupid long-term and only intelligent short term).

Preserving something we don't want to use forever is stupid. Or at least it seems stupid to me. Is that wrong? If so, why?

To put it simply, we don't have a clue when we will be able to replace it for all it's multifarious purposes, hence preservation makes sense.

This is some convoluted logic. We have to save oil for the future because we don't want to run out but we can conserve it now because we can get by without it?

Huh? :whoosh: It's simple. When you have a finite amount of something but don't know how long you need to make it last, it is prudent to use as little of it as possible.

If it so important that we need to make it last, why is it not important enough to use it to fulfill the need. You strike me as someone who would die of thirst in the desert consuming less than the needed amount of water you have, while you hoard it so you'll have some for later.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

What are we doing to conserve other finite energy resources, like wind?

 

[Run It Up]

What are we doing to conserve other finite energy resources, like wind?

I hear jars are great for bottling wind.

 

[Widbil83]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

CH, putting aside what Obama and Romney said about this issue: Do you believe that a Romney victory would lead to lower gas prices? If so, how?

Best point made so far..I have no clue, but I do know if we can produce more here in NA, we're more likely to see the price drop.. Also, seems Obama was intent on making it tougher for non-green energy producers, tougher means more expensive typically.My only point is that Obama made a stupid statement, and obviously there are fools who believe this #### regardless of how stupid it is. (I can look just a few posts back to find evidence of this)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What you said means you believe only an idiot would think that the ACTION of bringing down gas prices CAUSES an economic downturn. I, and everybody else would agree. Nobody is saying that by somehow artificially bringing down gas prices the American economy would be hurt. What Obama and others were arguing was that the ACTION of an economic downturn CAUSES a drop in gas prices due to the lowering of demand.

You lefties are so full of it..

Lowest gas prices in recent history were during the Clinton era.. Worst economy in recent history is right now ($4 per gallon).. Care to reflect on the gas prices again with more nonsense?

You are extremely dense and completely missed the point. It wasn't a question of right and wrong. It was you're lack of logic and reading comprehension of your own thought on the subject.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What are we doing to conserve other finite energy resources, like wind?

 

[drummer]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Approx 2,000 pro-lifers call Planned Parenthood for mammograms to prove Obama's lie:

n the wake of President Barack Obama’s assertion that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms, about 2,000 pro-life activists called Planned Parenthood offices to schedule appointments for the breast health service, according to the Catholic EWTN News.

“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for, not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country,” Obama said during the second debate on Long Island’s Hofstra University Tuesday night.

 

[Dickies]

Approx 2,000 pro-lifers call Planned Parenthood for mammograms to prove Obama's lie:n the wake of President Barack Obama’s assertion that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms, about 2,000 pro-life activists called Planned Parenthood offices to schedule appointments for the breast health service, according to the Catholic EWTN News.“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for, not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country,” Obama said during the second debate on Long Island’s Hofstra University Tuesday night.

What am I missing here?

 

[CrossEyed]

Approx 2,000 pro-lifers call Planned Parenthood for mammograms to prove Obama's lie:n the wake of President Barack Obama’s assertion that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms, about 2,000 pro-life activists called Planned Parenthood offices to schedule appointments for the breast health service, according to the Catholic EWTN News.“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for, not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country,” Obama said during the second debate on Long Island’s Hofstra University Tuesday night.

What am I missing here?

Pretty sure PP doesn't do mammograms.

 

[Dickies]

Approx 2,000 pro-lifers call Planned Parenthood for mammograms to prove Obama's lie:n the wake of President Barack Obama’s assertion that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms, about 2,000 pro-life activists called Planned Parenthood offices to schedule appointments for the breast health service, according to the Catholic EWTN News.“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for, not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings. That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country,” Obama said during the second debate on Long Island’s Hofstra University Tuesday night.

What am I missing here?

Pretty sure PP doesn't do mammograms.

That would make sense I suppose...

 

[Widbil83]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

not a super genius economist...but if the issue is supply vs. demand then there are two says to solve high prices:1. lower demand2. increase supplyObama seems to absolutely refuse to do #2. Which I don't understand.Can anyone explain to me why, if we want to switch over to renewable energy full-time at some point in the future, we are conserving oil and coal and such? If we aren't gonna need it in 40 years, why aren't we using it now?

You ask why we don't increase supply, and then you ask why we don't reduce supply . . .Using oil now reduces the supply of oil, thus increasing the cost. (The more oil we use now, the less we'll be able to use in the future, which makes a gallon of oil in the future more valuable than it otherwise would be. So speculators will bid up the price of oil futures, which will increase the present cost of oil as well.)In any case, I don't think the government should be trying to manipulate the consumption or conservation of oil except to internalize external costs (for example, by charging a tax on gasoline to reflect the costs of pollution). One thing that markets are much better at than politicians is using prices to smooth out consumption over time in a sensible way.

But here's the problem...You're assuming that we are never going to stop needing oil (which is impossible no matter what).I'm going on the assumption that at some point we have to stop depending on oil and other non-renewable sources of, well, anything, THUS at some point oil is going to become worthless (which makes prospecting stupid long-term and only intelligent short term).Preserving something we don't want to use forever is stupid. Or at least it seems stupid to me. Is that wrong? If so, why?

Is Obama investing in Cold Fusion?

 

[sporthenry]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

 

[drummer]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

So that's what you base this on?

 

[Widbil83]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

 

[drummer]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

So what was the word that you were hearing while you were in Libya?

 

[sporthenry]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

Love how you guys can spin stuff. First, it was the intel never said anything about the protests and Obama made stuff up. Now, this comes out and you continue to complain about it.

 

[drummer]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

Love how you guys can spin stuff. First, it was the intel never said anything about the protests and Obama made stuff up. Now, this comes out and you continue to complain about it.

Bil was somewhere somehow defending a post in Libya. Cut him some slack will ya?

 

[Widbil83]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

Love how you guys can spin stuff. First, it was the intel never said anything about the protests and Obama made stuff up. Now, this comes out and you continue to complain about it.

Because it' a lie! CNN article from yesterday-

(CNN) -- A diplomatic cable sent by Ambassador Chris Stevens from Benghazi hours before the attack on the U.S. Consulate that killed him was largely devoted to the rising security threats in and around the city.

The cable, sent to the State Department, was released Friday by the chairman of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California. It is among more than 160 pages of documents that paint a picture of persistent and unpredictable violence in and around Benghazi this year and an often fractious debate about resources for diplomatic security.

In the September 11 cable, the ambassador refers to a meeting nine days earlier in which the commander of Benghazi's Supreme Security Council "expressed growing frustration with police and security forces" being too weak to keep the country secure.

Another paragraph refers to the "expanding Islamist influence in Derna," a town east of Benghazi, amid reports linking "the Abu Salim Brigade with a troubling increase in violence and Islamist influence."

The Abu Salim Brigade was prominent among the opponents of former strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/world/africa/benghazi-documents/index.html

 

[sporthenry]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

Love how you guys can spin stuff. First, it was the intel never said anything about the protests and Obama made stuff up. Now, this comes out and you continue to complain about it.

Because it' a lie! CNN article from yesterday-

(CNN) -- A diplomatic cable sent by Ambassador Chris Stevens from Benghazi hours before the attack on the U.S. Consulate that killed him was largely devoted to the rising security threats in and around the city.

The cable, sent to the State Department, was released Friday by the chairman of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California. It is among more than 160 pages of documents that paint a picture of persistent and unpredictable violence in and around Benghazi this year and an often fractious debate about resources for diplomatic security.

In the September 11 cable, the ambassador refers to a meeting nine days earlier in which the commander of Benghazi's Supreme Security Council "expressed growing frustration with police and security forces" being too weak to keep the country secure.

Another paragraph refers to the "expanding Islamist influence in Derna," a town east of Benghazi, amid reports linking "the Abu Salim Brigade with a troubling increase in violence and Islamist influence."

The Abu Salim Brigade was prominent among the opponents of former strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/world/africa/benghazi-documents/index.html

So now the CIA is lying to us, or the administration is lying to us through the CIA? The fact is, the investigation was always going to take some time but Joe Public needed an explanation and people like you and Mitt wanted so badly to pin stuff on Obama that the administration needed an answer. Even though the intel said that the movie, mob theory was just the working theory and things could certainly change, the administration decided to run with it because Mitt decided to make it into a political fight.

 

[Widbil83]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

This article is probably the worst thing that could happen to Obama. Nobody has ever believed the video story. Now he is forced to defend Susan Rice's crazy comments.

Love how you guys can spin stuff. First, it was the intel never said anything about the protests and Obama made stuff up. Now, this comes out and you continue to complain about it.

Because it' a lie! CNN article from yesterday-

(CNN) -- A diplomatic cable sent by Ambassador Chris Stevens from Benghazi hours before the attack on the U.S. Consulate that killed him was largely devoted to the rising security threats in and around the city.

The cable, sent to the State Department, was released Friday by the chairman of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California. It is among more than 160 pages of documents that paint a picture of persistent and unpredictable violence in and around Benghazi this year and an often fractious debate about resources for diplomatic security.

In the September 11 cable, the ambassador refers to a meeting nine days earlier in which the commander of Benghazi's Supreme Security Council "expressed growing frustration with police and security forces" being too weak to keep the country secure.

Another paragraph refers to the "expanding Islamist influence in Derna," a town east of Benghazi, amid reports linking "the Abu Salim Brigade with a troubling increase in violence and Islamist influence."

The Abu Salim Brigade was prominent among the opponents of former strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/world/africa/benghazi-documents/index.html

So now the CIA is lying to us, or the administration is lying to us through the CIA?

Yes! The administration is screwed. Does this sound like these guys are blaming a video weeks earlier-In the September 11 cable, the ambassador refers to a meeting nine days earlier in which the commander of Benghazi's Supreme Security Council "expressed growing frustration with police and security forces" being too weak to keep the country secure.

Another paragraph refers to the "expanding Islamist influence in Derna," a town east of Benghazi, amid reports linking "the Abu Salim Brigade with a troubling increase in violence and Islamist influence."

 

[DoubleG]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

So that's what you base this on?

When it comes to foreign policy, there are two candidates:1) One who, as a governer, has very little record/history in foreign policy

2) One who has 4 years of poor foreign policy decisions and situations around the globe that are deteriorating quickly (Israel, Syria, the often-mentioned Libya, etc., etc.)

Which one do you think has a better chance of being made to look bad tonight?

HINT: Obama ran 4 years ago in a situation similar to #1 above - and won handily.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Who do you guys have tomorrow night for the final debate on foreign policy? I got Romney by TKO.

Saying "I got Bin Laden" a million times has become ridiculous. Especially when you have a Libya cover up disaster on your hands and the middle east on fire.

But hearing about Libya a million times isn't ridiculous? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

'flash mob' I can't believe they're still trying to explain this one away..

 

[The Commish]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

 

[The Commish]

CH, putting aside what Obama and Romney said about this issue: Do you believe that a Romney victory would lead to lower gas prices? If so, how?

I'm a novice in this area, but would opening up more opportunity to drill on federal land, off shore, Alaska and approving the Keystone Pipeline lower gas prices?My impression is that it would, but it would take the focus off of alternative energies that Obama is favoring.

I don't see how opening another pipeline to an area that we already have a pipeline near that isn't at capacity is going to lower prices. They have already opened up drilling a good amount in the last four years (maybe not on federal land) but I'm not sure "location, location, location" really applies to gas prices. Oil is a legitimate "world economy resource" so the supply/demand stuff may have a little bit to do with it, but I believe the bigger influences are at the refinery levels and the trading/speculation levels.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

In sanfran gas reached $4.50 last month. The average across the US is currently $3.75 down from $3.83 the week of the debate (Obama feelin the heat?)

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

At $3.75 per gallon (the current national average) using the above calculation that household would be spending $15,252.54 on gas in one year.. An enormous expense..

 

[The Commish]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

 

[The Commish]

Oh...and can I get a list of "poor decisions" made by the President overseas the last four years as well as "good decisions"....TIA.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

He doesn't read or understand his own posts. It's best to ignore his ignorance.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

He doesn't read or understand his own posts. It's best to ignore his ignorance.

You shouldn't trouble yourself by trying to read, you'll only be further confused.. You have yet to make one valid point..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

Use the calculations above, factor a $3.75 per gallon (current price in Charlotte).. I'm not going to lay out my personal accounting for you, but $1200 per month for a household in this line of buisness is actually low.. As I said in previous posts, some guys drive all day long, 3-7 stops per day..

At $3.75 per gallon (the current national average) using the above calculation that household would be spending $15,252.54 ($1271.04 per month) on gas in one year.. An enormous expense..

 

[The Commish]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

Use the calculations above, factor a $3.75 per gallon (current price in Charlotte).. I'm not going to lay out my personal accounting for you, but $1200 per month for a household in this line of buisness is actually low.. As I said in previous posts, some guys drive all day long, 3-7 stops per day..

This isn't the price in Charlotte...if anything, it's the price of someone trying to screw you. It's at least a quarter less a gallon if not more. You're getting worked by your local station if that's what you're paying or you're lying. I don't need your personal accounting to see this.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

Use the calculations above, factor a $3.75 per gallon (current price in Charlotte).. I'm not going to lay out my personal accounting for you, but $1200 per month for a household in this line of buisness is actually low.. As I said in previous posts, some guys drive all day long, 3-7 stops per day..

This isn't the price in Charlotte...if anything, it's the price of someone trying to screw you. It's at least a quarter less a gallon if not more. You're getting worked by your local station if that's what you're paying or you're lying. I don't need your personal accounting to see this.

The price was up to 3.80+ just a few weeks ago.. And the national average is 3.75I have no idea what you're carrying on about.. I can drive just down the street right now and find $3.70+

 

[The Commish]

$100-$110 to fill up, I fill up 3-4 times a week, multiplied by 4.2, leaves me somewhere between $1,250 and $1,850/month; them we have the wife's 70+ mile work commute /day - $1,200/month seems very reasonable to me.

Holy cow, man. Unless you're in the delivery business or a trucker, that's an insane amount of fuel consumption. My wife and I have two vehicles, and live an hour from anywhere. Yet we don't consume more than 700 gallons of fuel between us in a year. Haven't for the past nine years. And a lot of that is "recreational" too. My wife visiting family, or running around with the kids. I personally consume about 265 gallons of fuel/year. And if I use the middle of your range and assume $4/gallon for gas (round number, to make the math easier), that's 375 gallons/month of fuel consumption...just for you! Excluding your wife, from the sounds of it.

So the earlier question was actually reasonable then: Do you drive a tank?!

Even if I drive my 5.9L 4wd "tank" 100 miles per day I'm not near $1200/month. If we're talking household, sure. I have 6 cars, 4 of which are driven daily.

I drive a 5.9L 4wd, and I'm close to that.. But yes, we were talking about a household, not an individual vehicle. You can't measure what your family spends on food if you only count what you spend on milk..An average of 100 miles a day is probably high if you live in city and have a desk job, but is probably low if you own a service buisness.

- primary vehicle (many variables here, depending on who drives the most, husband or wife, and what each of them drive)

100 miles per day @ 15 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $186.66 per week = $9706.66 per year

- Secondary vehicle

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

- Third vehicle if household includes 1 child of driving age who drives to school/community college/other events.

50 miles per day @ 22 miles per gallon @ $4 per gallon = $63.63 per week = $3309.09 per year

$16,324.84 a year ($1360.30 per month) is a lot of money..

There are many work vehicles in the service industry that get worse than 15 mpg (including my truck). And there are many (most) who drive more than 100 miles per day. Obviously there are also people who can walk to work as well, or use mass transit..

What I'm trying to explain though, these service industry workers/buisness owners are mostly part of the lower middle class and gas prices are killing them. Most of them pay more for gas on a monthly basis then they pay on mortgage/rent.. Gas prices have a huge impact on the middle class

Didn't you say you live in NC around Charlotte?? Gas prices aren't $4 for unleaded. They are close to that for Diesel. I suggest you go to one of the stations that isn't screwing you out of your money if you really are paying $4 a gallon.

Can you show me where I said I was paying $4 per gallon? The #'s above refer to typical mileage for someone in my line of work reflecting the cost of gas at the pump refered to in the debate..Price at the pump here ranges from 3.50 to 3.85.. And the common price is around 3.70+

Regardless, the number would still show many Americans pay more for gas than for mortgage/rent..

Sorry...I'm still stuck on YOUR personal claim that you pay $1200 a month for gas for your household. I probably should have quoted that set of posts rather than the shifted goalpost quotes above. Can you help me understand how you pay this much for gas?

Use the calculations above, factor a $3.75 per gallon (current price in Charlotte).. I'm not going to lay out my personal accounting for you, but $1200 per month for a household in this line of buisness is actually low.. As I said in previous posts, some guys drive all day long, 3-7 stops per day..

This isn't the price in Charlotte...if anything, it's the price of someone trying to screw you. It's at least a quarter less a gallon if not more. You're getting worked by your local station if that's what you're paying or you're lying. I don't need your personal accounting to see this.

The price was up to 3.80+ just a few weeks ago.. And the national average is 3.75I have no idea what you're carrying on about.. I can drive just down the street right now and find $3.70+

Then you don't live in Charlotte

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Best and worst gas prices in charlotte area

Cheapest price inside of Charlotte Meck is $3.57 highest is $3.87 Typical rate is around $3.75 as I drive..

Also, I'm usually buying Exxon gas. My company gas account is with Exxon.. Which is a little higher..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Then you don't live in Charlotte

With the very same cite you link I can prove you wrong..Obviously someone is not going to drive around town looking for the lowest price. You buy gas where you are, when you need it..

You show me the lowest prices, not the average, or the highest, and your assertion that you can get gas under 3.50 is still wrong, even after the 10cent drop a week ago..

 

[DoubleG]

Oh...and can I get a list of "poor decisions" made by the President overseas the last four years as well as "good decisions"....TIA.

FAILURES:His failed personal effort to bring the 2016 Olympics to Chicago. His failed personal effort to negotiate a climate-change deal at Copenhagen in 2009. His failed efforts to strike a nuclear deal with Iran that year and this year. His failed effort to improve America’s public standing in the Muslim world with the now-forgotten Cairo speech. His failed reset with Russia. His failed effort to strong-arm Israel into a permanent settlement freeze. His failed (if half-hearted) effort to maintain a residual U.S. military force in Iraq. His failed efforts to cut deals with the Taliban and reach out to North Korea. His failed effort to win over China and Russia for even a symbolic U.N. condemnation of Syria’s Bashar Assad. His failed efforts to intercede in Europe’s economic crisis. "SUCCESSES":His successful personal effort to insult the head of state and prime minister of America’s closest ally (as well as removing the bust of its wartime prime minister from the Oval Office); his successful personal effort to put daylight between the U.S. and Israel; his successful effort to ostracize Honduras for enforcing its constitution against a Hugo Chavez wannabe; his successful effort to become the first U.S. president to chair a UN meeting; his successful effort to ignore the efforts of Iranian citizens protesting the stolen 2009 presidential election and then ignore seriatim deadlines for Iran to accept his outstretched hand; his successful efforts to oppose Congressional attempts to strengthen Iran sanctions, while touting each round of non-crippling sanctions as the “toughest ever”; his successful effort to ward off pressure to visit Israel from liberal Israeli columnists, Jewish Democrats in Congress, and friendly rabbis; his successful effort to jettison a U.S. ally in Egypt and reportedly invite the new Pharaoh to the U.S.; . . . . his successful effort to delay executing an already-negotiated free trade agreement with the closest U.S. ally in Latin America; his successful effort to improve relations with Mexico by suing Arizona on its behalf; his successful effort to build a knee-slapping relationship with Dmitri Medvedev to deliver a deferred flexibility message to Vladimir; and his winning a Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush. BTW, while he will likely claim Bin-laden as a success, Obama managed to mishandle that situation in many ways as well. There was a myriad of al Qadea intellignece that was found in Bin-laden's "lair". Obama, instead of allowing the information to be used to gain access to splinter cells, whereabouts of various top officials, secret funding sources, decided to go on TV as soon as possible to announce the "victory". He fumbled away the militray advantage of suprise, instead choosing to be quick to make sure he got credit. A couple of weeks later he could have been touting the death of Al Qaeda, by using the information and intelligence gained to eliminate the entire orginization. Instead, he opted to let the news be known hours after it happened, giving al Qaeda time to disappear back into the shadows...for now. Secondly, Bin-laden was killed - again, giving away opportunity to gain useful information about al Qaeda. A law in the mission plan as well as it's execution (no pun intended). Do we even need to get into how many times the story of the actual event changed? "40 minute fire fights" that were later determined to be only a few minutes long? Wives being used as "human shields" - only to find out later that wasn't the case. Navy SEALs later (well after the fact - unlike Obama's handling of the situation) disputing several of the "official" account details the White House was perpetuating.Oh yeah, and that entire Liby debacle.But other than the above, he's been solid. I'll take the guy with little/no experience to the one who has a 4 year record with that many mistakes.

 

[Abraham]