Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (1 Viewer)

[Mello]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong.

Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

I think Romney wants the debate to be on the economy. If you research foreign affairs you can dissect which side won or lost last night. Most voters don't care that much about foreign affairs to do that. What I believe the independent voter does is go to MSNBC/Fox and view the spin in one direction and then the other. The bottom line is that is hard to bench mark who really scored points on foreign affairs after the debate. It just looks like squabbling.

So people make their derision on who would make the best president not on who talked the best game, but what they see and can quantify with their own eyes. For example,

1. Have we won the war on terrorism? Obama states we cut off the head of the snake (Bin Laden) which makes us safer. Then we see a terrorist attack in Libya on 9-11. So cutting off the head of the snake didn't work?

2. Is Romney going to take us into another war like Iraq? By hugging Obama last night, saying we can't "kill our way out of the this" is essentially saying he is not a war monger. He may be agreeing with Obama, but he is also trying to resolve a fear people have of Romney in general.

3. Does Obama make you proud to be an American? Obama going around the world making excuses and denigrating America, makes USA look weak and unfocused as the one remaining world power. It also pisses some people off.

4. Are we safer with Obama as president- - no see # 1.

5. Israel- The left, IMHO, are hostile to Israel after the election. But everyone is for Israel during the election. This is when Obama is hugging Romney position and trying to take it off the table as an issue.

6. Russia- The video of Obama whispering away national security to a Russian leader. Stating that he couldn't negotiate until after the election.

7. How Obama treats our allies. Most people remember Obama snubbing England (sending Churchill's bust back England..) and his treatment of Netanyahu. Refusing to see him so he can go on the comedy TV shows is very bad form.

8. Leadership- Obama wants to lead from behind rather than lead this great country in foreign affairs.

So what do you believe - what Obama says or what Obama does?

Are we really spending trillions of dollars to keep terrorists from attacking an embassy in a foreign country? If the goal is to keep anyone from killing an American to make a political point, that has to be the dumbest, most impossible goal of a war I've ever seen. Are we (as in the 99.999999% of people that aren't at embassies overseas) safer? Believe whatever you want. Not a single one of us has even close to enough information to know this. I'd argue we are no safer than we were on 9/11.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Romney quit on Libya while he was ahead. People just don't trust the current administration and their disorganized message on this - which was a total gaffe. Why give Obama a chance to clear it up with their latest rendition? Romney's eybrow raising response says it all for how public feels about the shifting narrative. Why give Obama another chance to lay down a narrative which may fit?

 

[humpback]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong. Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

Follow up question: why did Obama say that every time Romney's offered an opinion on foreign policy, he's been wrong (since he largely agrees with every one of Obama's policies)?

 

[HellToupee]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong. Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

Obama has made some mistakes like any president but Mitt's strategy on mainly agreeing on FP puts the focus on the economy

 

[Slapdash]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong. Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

Follow up question: why did Obama say that every time Romney's offered an opinion on foreign policy, he's been wrong (since he largely agrees with every one of Obama's policies)?

I think his point was to say that Romney's foreign policy positions on the campaign trail/primaries <> Romney's foreign policy positions last night. Obama seemed to press that line quite a bit.

 

[Slapdash]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending? the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

 

[squistion]

7. How Obama treats our allies. Most people remember Obama snubbing England (sending Churchill's bust back England..)

FYI, the bust was on loan from England, it was not a gift for us to keep forever and was supposed to be returned. The outrage was only from those on the far right on both sides of the Atlantic, but this was a non-story to everyone else.And speaking of England, more people remember Mitt's UK debacle where he insulted the Brit's preparedness for the Olympics, than they do Churchill's bust (but since you only watch FOX, you are probably not aware of that).

 

[pittstownkiller]

Romney quit on Libya while he was ahead. People just don't trust the current administration and their disorganized message on this - which was a total gaffe. Why give Obama a chance to clear it up with their latest rendition? Romney's eybrow raising response says it all for how public feels about the shifting narrative. Why give Obama another chance to lay down a narrative which may fit?

Bingo! and we have a winner!

 

[pittstownkiller]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending? the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

 

[DoubleG]

So we've watched Romney in 3 debates. In each one he's been the moderate guy I've been hoping for all along. He understands what McCain did not: that the Tea Party- base idiots will vote for him anyway, despite the fact that he takes every opportunity to repudiate their views. I think Romney has a decent chance of winning.

And guess what Max Threshold, Double G, Jim11 and Boneyard Dog: if Romney does get elected, he's not going to do anything you guys want. He's a centrist and he can't stand your wacky views.

If the economy improves, and I get to keep more of the money I've earned instead of shoveling bucket fulls of it to the goverment so they can decide how to spend my money, he's okay in my book. But thanks for your concern.

 

[Usual21]

Horses and bayonets

Great name for a band, album, and/or Fantasy Football team.

 

[Joe Summer]

Most people remember Obama snubbing England

Most people can't remember England, let alone Obama's alleged snub of them.

 

[pantagrapher]

Romney quit on Libya while he was ahead. People just don't trust the current administration and their disorganized message on this - which was a total gaffe. Why give Obama a chance to clear it up with their latest rendition? Romney's eybrow raising response says it all for how public feels about the shifting narrative. Why give Obama another chance to lay down a narrative which may fit?

Bingo! and we have a winner!

I like the way you guys comfort each other.

 

[Slapdash]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending? the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

Yeah, I choose not to believe in the discredited notion that tax cuts will raise enough revenue to pay for it. No serious economist believes that either. That is why Romney won’t say it explicitly. It is hogwash.

 

[DoubleG]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong. Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

Obama has made some mistakes like any president but Mitt's strategy on mainly agreeing on FP puts the focus on the economy

If everyone shrugs and says "Okay, they're basically similar in terms of foreign policy" - then voters look at other things...like the economy.BTW, that absurd list from yesterday wasn't at all original - but it was fun. For awhile I thought I was going to need a bigger boat.

 

[JoePlumber]

Undecided voter here.

I didn't appreciate how condescending the President got last night. I get that some of that comes with the territory but many of his remarks came across as downright childish. He spent more time doing that than he did really addressing the issues. Romney scored points for me in that regard.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Romney won the third presidential debate – and how he did it was encapsulated in a single exchange. The candidates were discussing military spending and Romney had just accused Obama of making harmful cutbacks. The President wheeled out what must have seemed like a great, pre-planned zinger: "I think Governor Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed." The audience laughed, Obama laughed, I laughed. It was funny.

But here's why it was also a vote loser. For a start, Twitter immediately lit up with examples of how the US Army does still use horses and bayonets (horses were used during the invasion of Afghanistan). More importantly, this was one example of many in which the President insulted, patronised and mocked his opponent rather than put across a constructive argument. His performance was rude and unpresidential. Obama seemed to have a touch of the Bidens, wriggling about in his chair, waving his hands dismissively and always – always – smirking in Romney's direction. By contrast, Romney sucked up the abuse and retained a rigid poker face all night. He looked like a Commander in Chief; Obama looked like a lawyer. Who would you rather vote for?

Obama may have won the debate on points but lost the war. A classic Pyrrhic Victory. Words describing Obama's debate performance: petulant, small, rude, unpresidential. Biden-like, dismissive, smirky.... Obama's great strength has been his swag, likability and being cool and calm in stressful situations. In short a man who looked like he was in control.. Obama was none of that tonight.

Uh, in a word no. Yes, we want someone in control, but we also want some fire from Obama...something he hasnt shown enough of.

Ronald Reagan had fire and he did it in way that was Presidential. He often used humor to illustrate his point. The point is that you don't have to come off as rude, condescending and unpresidential to make strong political points in a debate.Obama lost the debate tonight. Not no substance, but by being unpresidential, petty and even childish which is throwing away his greatest strength from his last election. People buy more on emotion than on substance. People bought "hope and change". They will not vote for this new Obama which is very unlikable.

Ok, so tell me something. How is an opponent who throws around terms like "apology tour" being Anything but childish and petty. You seem to have your candidates personalities crossed somehow.

Watch the debate again and you will see my point.. This time turn off the sound and watch the body language. Obama came of as being mad and combative. The focus groups showed people hated Obama talking over Romney and interrupting constantly as evidenced that the approval curves dived when he talked over Romney. The woman hated this most of all.

The apology tour represents how Obama represents America to the world. It is a weak "leading from behind" FA. It does not show leadership. Romney was showing a strong contrast in FA, which is what debates are all about.

 

[The Commish]

sure if the Navy needs X amount ships to meet its mission then it should have the number of ships needed. Of course in reality defining the mission is the key. You can define a mission where they need 1000 ships or one where they need 1 ship.

Agreed. But who is currently setting that mission? So either the Navy isn't getting the message about what their mission is or Obama thinks he knows what the Navy needs to perform it's mission better than the Navy does.

Based on what? Because Romney's guy says the Navy needs X ships? I don't think Romney has access to the admirals running the show does he?

 

[17seconds]

What is most frightening to me about Romney on foreign policy is that his advisers are Bush's advisers, and he's so focused on the economy that a Romney presidency would just give those guys the reigns again.

Nobody can predict what a Romney foreign policy would be. With Obama we have a known quantity and he has exceeded expectations.

In 2008 when we had the 3am phone call ad, what was your expectation of an Obama foreign policy? Exactly like it has gone down? I doubt that very much.

Continuing a war he thought was the good war? Yeah, expected that.Winding down the Iraq war according to the Bush timeline? Yeah, expected that.

Having trouble navigating the waters of the Middle East? Yeah, expected that (would have from anyone).

What else am I missing?

come on

 

[humpback]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending? the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

Yeah, I choose not to believe in the discredited notion that tax cuts will raise enough revenue to pay for it. No serious economist believes that either. That is why Romney won’t say it explicitly. It is hogwash.

You mean right now, or are you one of those crazies who believe that higher tax rates always result in more revenue and vice versa?

 

[pantagrapher]

Undecided voter here. I didn't appreciate how condescending the President got last night. I get that some of that comes with the territory but many of his remarks came across as downright childish. He spent more time doing that than he did really addressing the issues. Romney scored points for me in that regard.

I believe you are genuinely undecided, JoePlumber!

 

[17seconds]

I wrote yesterday that Obama has been a terrific foreign policy President. Several of you disagreed with this. One guy, DoubleG, presented a long, IMO absurd list of things Obama had done wrong. Here is my question for those of you who believe that Obama has been lousy at foreign policy: why did Romney largely agree last night with every one of Obama's policies?

Obama has made some mistakes like any president but Mitt's strategy on mainly agreeing on FP puts the focus on the economy

If everyone shrugs and says "Okay, they're basically similar in terms of foreign policy" - then voters look at other things...like the economy.BTW, that absurd list from yesterday wasn't at all original - but it was fun. For awhile I thought I was going to need a bigger boat.

Romney went with the same strategy from the first debate. Agree with things so there's little to attack. The difference was this time he was less comfortable so his overall performance wasn't as strong. His demeanor reminded me a lot of Obama in the first debate.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Since my state is not in contention I was 50/50 on even showing up to vote, but I've decided I will for the sole purpose of cancelling out golddigger's contribution to the national popular vote.

 

[pantagrapher]

Watch the debate again and you will see my point.. This time turn off the sound and watch the body language. Obama came of as being mad and combative.

I watched the debate in a dark closet while wearing a pinwheel hat and rapidly blinking my eyes. Obama's teeth made me have a seizure, which I think will hurt him with moderate voters.

 

[chet]

[

Romney went with the same strategy from the first debate. Agree with things so there's little to attack. The difference was this time he was less comfortable so his overall performance wasn't as strong. His demeanor reminded me a lot of Obama in the first debate.

That makes one of you. Updating notebook to reflect completely unreliable opinions.

 

[Slapdash]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending? the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

Yeah, I choose not to believe in the discredited notion that tax cuts will raise enough revenue to pay for it. No serious economist believes that either. That is why Romney won’t say it explicitly. It is hogwash.

You mean right now, or are you one of those crazies who believe that higher tax rates always result in more revenue and vice versa?

Yeah, I mean right now and for the last few decades.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Trumps October surprise.This is what people think it is- Obama was a drug dealer in college.

A man claiming to be a close pal to President Obama ready to go public with claims that Obama used and sold cocaine in college,

 

[MasterofOrion]

Watch the debate again and you will see my point.. This time turn off the sound and watch the body language. Obama came of as being mad and combative.

I watched the debate in a dark closet while wearing a pinwheel hat and rapidly blinking my eyes. Obama's teeth made me have a seizure, which I think will hurt him with moderate voters.

LOL

 

[squistion]

#horsesandbayonets still trending near the top on Twitter. A few choice tweets:

Barracks O'Bama ‏@P0TUS

BREAKING: Admiral Romney to promote use of compasses and sextants on schooners. #HorsesAndBayonets

Big Bird ‏@BlGBlRD

Retweet if you think Obama won the debate. Invest in horses and bayonets if you think Romney won. #lynndebate #horsesandbayonets

Jon Stewart ‏@jonstewartshow

Obama just lost the Civil War re-enactment vote. #horsesandbayonets

And of course some on the right, like Michelle Malkin have a different reality:

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin

Dukakis-y debate Iine of the night. #horsesandbayonets trending. POTUS = laughingstock==> http://is.gd/doy8el

 

[The Commish]

Romney's worked so hard to get the focus on the economy and now Trump's gonna come along and screw him by coming out with some grand conspiracy He's such a dope

 

[Clifford]

So who won? Was watching America's second favorite team sport.

 

[Joe Summer]

Watch the debate again and you will see my point.. This time turn off the sound and watch the body language. Obama came of as being mad and combative.

I watched the debate in a dark closet while wearing a pinwheel hat and rapidly blinking my eyes. Obama's teeth made me have a seizure, which I think will hurt him with moderate voters.

 

[17seconds]

[

Romney went with the same strategy from the first debate. Agree with things so there's little to attack. The difference was this time he was less comfortable so his overall performance wasn't as strong. His demeanor reminded me a lot of Obama in the first debate.

That makes one of you. Updating notebook to reflect completely unreliable opinions.

Thanks for taking the piss, ol chap

 

[pittstownkiller]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending?

the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

Yeah, I choose not to believe in the discredited notion that tax cuts will raise enough revenue to pay for it. No serious economist believes that either. That is why Romney won’t say it explicitly. It is hogwash.

Then I guess you will be relieved to know that Romney is not presenting this. Romney plan revolves around job creation.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What is most frightening to me about Romney on foreign policy is that his advisers are Bush's advisers, and he's so focused on the economy that a Romney presidency would just give those guys the reigns again.

Nobody can predict what a Romney foreign policy would be. With Obama we have a known quantity and he has exceeded expectations.

In 2008 when we had the 3am phone call ad, what was your expectation of an Obama foreign policy? Exactly like it has gone down? I doubt that very much.

Continuing a war he thought was the good war? Yeah, expected that.Winding down the Iraq war according to the Bush timeline? Yeah, expected that.

Having trouble navigating the waters of the Middle East? Yeah, expected that (would have from anyone).

What else am I missing?

come on

What? Are you going to tell me what I really thought?

 

[pittstownkiller]

[

Romney went with the same strategy from the first debate. Agree with things so there's little to attack. The difference was this time he was less comfortable so his overall performance wasn't as strong. His demeanor reminded me a lot of Obama in the first debate.

That makes one of you. Updating notebook to reflect completely unreliable opinions.

Thanks for taking the piss, ol chap

 

[Clifford]

And how is he going to create these jobs other than lowering tax rates?

 

[badmojo1006]

Trumps October surprise.This is what people think it is- Obama was a drug dealer in college.

A man claiming to be a close pal to President Obama ready to go public with claims that Obama used and sold cocaine in college,

If this is the big huge surprise, why oh why did it not come out 4 years ago? You know, when he was first running for President?

 

[17seconds]

What is most frightening to me about Romney on foreign policy is that his advisers are Bush's advisers, and he's so focused on the economy that a Romney presidency would just give those guys the reigns again.

Nobody can predict what a Romney foreign policy would be. With Obama we have a known quantity and he has exceeded expectations.

In 2008 when we had the 3am phone call ad, what was your expectation of an Obama foreign policy? Exactly like it has gone down? I doubt that very much.

Continuing a war he thought was the good war? Yeah, expected that.Winding down the Iraq war according to the Bush timeline? Yeah, expected that.

Having trouble navigating the waters of the Middle East? Yeah, expected that (would have from anyone).

What else am I missing?

come on

What? Are you going to tell me what I really thought?

I expected RGIII to be very goodI expected the Chargers to be average again

The Browns were going to be bad and they are

therefore everything about the NFL has gone as I expected

 

[Fennis]

So who won? Was watching America's second favorite team sport.

LFL?

 

[Slapdash]

can someone, anyone, tell me where Romney is going to find 7 trillion $$ to pay for his tax cuts and increased military spending?

the moderator asked him point blank last night how he was going to pay for this and he basically avoided the question. 3 debates now and I'm still in the dark. I think he mentioned a 5% reduction in 'discretionary spending' but that can't be anywhere near 7 trillion. I can't, and won't, vote for this guy until I can see what he's going to try to do. what programs is he cutting and what are the associated dollar amounts? what is he going to do with my deductions? If he's just going to increase the deficit, I think I'd rather go with Obama. if he's not increasing the deficit, how is he paying for what he wants to do?

You're never going to get an answer here because there isn't one.

The answer according to Romney, is that he will have more people working which will bring in more revenue; whether you choose to believe this, or you choose to believe that Obama is going to magically right the ship that he has been at the helm of for 4 years, is up to you. I also believe that the number bandied by the Administration as for the cost of Romney's policies was $5 trillion, even though that has been deemed incorrect by fact-checking and has been disavowed by the organization that Obama links to in his ads.

Yeah, I choose not to believe in the discredited notion that tax cuts will raise enough revenue to pay for it. No serious economist believes that either. That is why Romney won’t say it explicitly. It is hogwash.

Then I guess you will be relieved to know that Romney is not presenting this. Romney plan revolves around job creation.

He is presenting exactly that. The notion that tax cuts will have such large supply-side growth effects (i.e. job creation) on the economy as replace the lost revenue is the essence of voodoo economics. Thanks for agreeing with my point about what his proposal is.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

therefore everything about the NFL has gone as I expected

What else would you like me to opine on?Because what's left is the equivalent of discussing whether or not the Jaguars really did reach selecting a punter in the 3rd.

 

[Fennis]

Romney quit on Libya while he was ahead. People just don't trust the current administration and their disorganized message on this - which was a total gaffe. Why give Obama a chance to clear it up with their latest rendition? Romney's eybrow raising response says it all for how public feels about the shifting narrative. Why give Obama another chance to lay down a narrative which may fit?

Bingo! and we have a winner!

I like the way you guys comfort each other.

They would rather win a political point then anything else.

 

[Mello]

And how is he going to create these jobs other than lowering tax rates?

Magic?Companies have been tanking all their businesses, but will hire because their politician is in office?Bribing banks to give out loans to anyone?I've been waiting to hear this answer for weeks now and haven't got anything but the same trickle down economics explanation that hasn't worked over the last 30 years.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Trumps October surprise.This is what people think it is- Obama was a drug dealer in college.

A man claiming to be a close pal to President Obama ready to go public with claims that Obama used and sold cocaine in college,

If this is the big huge surprise, why oh why did it not come out 4 years ago? You know, when he was first running for President?

Good pointI don't like October surprises. There is no time to fact check them. It ends up being a cheap shot IMHO.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What is most frightening to me about Romney on foreign policy is that his advisers are Bush's advisers, and he's so focused on the economy that a Romney presidency would just give those guys the reigns again.

Nobody can predict what a Romney foreign policy would be. With Obama we have a known quantity and he has exceeded expectations.

In 2008 when we had the 3am phone call ad, what was your expectation of an Obama foreign policy? Exactly like it has gone down? I doubt that very much.

Continuing a war he thought was the good war? Yeah, expected that.Winding down the Iraq war according to the Bush timeline? Yeah, expected that.

Having trouble navigating the waters of the Middle East? Yeah, expected that (would have from anyone).

What else am I missing?

come on

What? Are you going to tell me what I really thought?

Other possible expectations to weigh in on...1. Death of Bin Laden

2. Successful drone attacks on other terrorist leaders

3. Lack of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil

I know a case can be made that he shouldn't get much or any credit for these things but the accomplishments during his tenure has exceeded my expectations.

 

[JoePlumber]

Undecided voter here. I didn't appreciate how condescending the President got last night. I get that some of that comes with the territory but many of his remarks came across as downright childish. He spent more time doing that than he did really addressing the issues. Romney scored points for me in that regard.

I believe you are genuinely undecided, JoePlumber!

predictable reply, avoiding the real point here.

 

[DoubleG]

Undecided voter here. I didn't appreciate how condescending the President got last night. I get that some of that comes with the territory but many of his remarks came across as downright childish. He spent more time doing that than he did really addressing the issues. Romney scored points for me in that regard.

I believe you are genuinely undecided, JoePlumber!

predictable reply, avoiding the real point here.

The left thinks anyone who disagrees with them is either lying or delusional.

 

[squistion]

Undecided voter here. I didn't appreciate how condescending the President got last night. I get that some of that comes with the territory but many of his remarks came across as downright childish. He spent more time doing that than he did really addressing the issues. Romney scored points for me in that regard.

I believe you are genuinely undecided, JoePlumber!

predictable reply, avoiding the real point here.

Hard to take seriously that someone who goes by JoePlumber is among the undecideds.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Other possible expectations to weigh in on...1. Death of Bin Laden2. Successful drone attacks on other terrorist leaders3. Lack of terrorist attacks on U.S. soilI know a case can be made that he shouldn't get much or any credit for these things but the accomplishments during his tenure has exceeded my expectations.

1. I know it sounds funny, but while the death of Bin Laden fulfills a revenge fantasy, in the grand scheme it hasn't accomplished much. Bully for him for doing it though and Bush was wrong to give up the search. 2. I didn't expect him to surrender in the WOT.3. This is a good thing. See response #2.17Seconds just wants to think that I thought things other than what I actually thought. I don't know why.