Priest Behaeded during Church attack in France (1 Viewer)

[avoiding injuries]

You can question mine, but I'm not questioning his. 

"It's been an insidious progression, the criticisms of the U.S. Armed Forces from politicians and from the liberal media, which knows nothing of combat, nothing of our training, and nothing of the mortal dangers we face out there on the front line. Each of the six of us in that aircraft en route to Afghanistan had constantly in the back of our minds the ever-intrusive rules of engagement."

 

[JZilla]

If only American police forces followed the same restrictive rules of engagement.. god knows they use the same weaponry

 

[avoiding injuries]

"I realize I am not being specific and I have no intention of being so. But these broad brushstrokes are designed to show that the rules of engagement are a clear and present danger, frighten­ing young soldiers, who have been placed in harm's way by their government, into believing they may be charged with murder if they defend themselves too vigorously."

 

[whiskey7]

However, if we don't give them a "Clean" muslim burial, condemnations and uprisings occur. 

You can't win a fight when you have both hands tied behind your back and the other guy is allowed to fight dirty. 

Yep. Plus the opponent is not only willing to die for their "cause" but also planning on it in most cases.

 

[Sconch]

Those of you advocating "boots on the ground, gloves off, fight just as dirty as they do!" know this isn't really a "war" right?  

It's less of a real war than Vietnam.

 

[Bucky86]

You can question mine, but I'm not questioning his. 

"It's been an insidious progression, the criticisms of the U.S. Armed Forces from politicians and from the liberal media, which knows nothing of combat, nothing of our training, and nothing of the mortal dangers we face out there on the front line. Each of the six of us in that aircraft en route to Afghanistan had constantly in the back of our minds the ever-intrusive rules of engagement."

Who is this?

 

[bueno]

Those of you advocating "boots on the ground, gloves off, fight just as dirty as they do!" know this isn't really a "war" right?  

It's less of a real war than Vietnam.

Vietnam was pretty damn real. we lost it because of weak political leaders at home and swallowing propaganda.  This seems pretty damn real too - there is just no government we are fighting, but a philosophy. To win, we have to prove the philosophy false.

 

[sho nuff]

Who is this?

Luttrell?  Guy also said we need someone to lead by example...while speaking at a convention nominating someone who took some very interesting means to avoid war.

 

[JZilla]

Those of you advocating "boots on the ground, gloves off, fight just as dirty as they do!" know this isn't really a "war" right?  

It's less of a real war than Vietnam.

Yeah that's about the worst idea ever.  I'm sure Trumpers are all for it.  Heavy casualties all around, and plenty of fresh recruiting propaganda

 

[Sconch]

Vietnam was pretty damn real. we lost it because of weak political leaders at home and swallowing propaganda.  This seems pretty damn real too - there is just no government we are fighting, but a philosophy. To win, we have to prove the philosophy false.

I'm not going to switch this over to a discussion about vietnam...

As far as the bold goes do you think that military action will somehow change the minds of radical Muslims/terrorists/ISIS?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You know what happened to Robespierre, right?

I think he went into teaching

 

[Bucky86]

Luttrell?  Guy also said we need someone to lead by example...while speaking at a convention nominating someone who took some very interesting means to avoid war.

Does he ever mention specifics as to which of the rules of engagement that need to be changed? 

 

[sho nuff]

Does he ever mention specifics as to which of the rules of engagement that need to be changed? 

Not sure...haven't read it all.  I know plenty in the military will complain about how they have to hold back where the enemy won't.  Can't blame them for that.

Does not mean we can change all that much given the political climate of the world is far more complex than that.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I'm not going to switch this over to a discussion about vietnam...

As far as the bold goes do you think that military action will somehow change the minds of radical Muslims/terrorists/ISIS?

I've had enough with trying to change people's minds. Killing them with kindness hasn't been working. Don't mistake this thought for wanting to go to war. I'd rather we mind our own business, but that doesn't seem possible. 

 

[Kafka]

Deux chicks at the same time?

While Danton did the yeoman's work, Robespierre dallianced in a menage a trois, while Marat took a bath, and looked damn good while doing so.  Properly applied, yes....this is relevant.

 

[bueno]

I'm not going to switch this over to a discussion about vietnam...

As far as the bold goes do you think that military action will somehow change the minds of radical Muslims/terrorists/ISIS?

I'd prefer to ignore Nam as well. Having said that, I don't know how we prove a religious belief false, short of doing what the Catholics did to the Cathars.

 

[DallasDMac]

Haven't read the thread. Just stopped in to say, these "things" have truly become sub-human in their behavior. It seems their only true intent can be to turn the entire civilized world against them. They are well on their way, and deserve anything and everything they get. Truly disgusting behavior.

 

[dickey moe]

Wait until this starts happening here (more frequently).

 

[badmojo1006]

You can question mine, but I'm not questioning his. 

"It's been an insidious progression, the criticisms of the U.S. Armed Forces from politicians and from the liberal media, which knows nothing of combat, nothing of our training, and nothing of the mortal dangers we face out there on the front line. Each of the six of us in that aircraft en route to Afghanistan had constantly in the back of our minds the ever-intrusive rules of engagement."

Where are you getting your quotes? Cut and paste, you should really give credit to you is making the quote

 

[Sconch]

I've had enough with trying to change people's minds. Killing them with kindness hasn't been working. Don't mistake this thought for wanting to go to war. I'd rather we mind our own business, but that doesn't seem possible. 

I think we've been killing them with missiles and drones too.

 

[SWC]

Where are you getting your quotes? Cut and paste, you should really give credit to you is making the quote

it is from lone survivor book by luttrell bromigo take that to the i agree you should give credit when you quote bank 

 

[badmojo1006]

it is from lone survivor book by luttrell bromigo take that to the i agree you should give credit when you quote bank 

That is the most clarity I have seen in one of your posts 

 

[rascal]

You can question mine, but I'm not questioning his. 

"It's been an insidious progression, the criticisms of the U.S. Armed Forces from politicians and from the liberal media, which knows nothing of combat, nothing of our training, and nothing of the mortal dangers we face out there on the front line. Each of the six of us in that aircraft en route to Afghanistan had constantly in the back of our minds the ever-intrusive rules of engagement."

There have always been rules of engagements given by politicians and that has always caused angst by warriors.  Warriors look at the tactical level whereas politicians, hopefully, look at the strategic level.  Those dont always match.

 

[DallasDMac]

There have always been rules of engagements given by politicians and that has always caused angst by warriors.  Warriors look at the tactical level whereas politicians, hopefully, look at the strategic level.  Those dont always match.

I don't think this is true. Warriors look at the tactical level. Military leadership looks at the strategic level. Politicians look at the political level. Few, if any, politicians are capable of strategic thinking.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I don't think this is true. Warriors look at the tactical level. Military leadership looks at the strategic level. Politicians look at the political level. Few, if any, politicians are capable of strategic thinking.

FYP.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

NPR called the article "Flipping The Script." It's enough to make one not read it, even for those that were willing.  

Change one letter in that acronym and you get the polar opposite proposal as to how to address Islamism in France.  Guillaume Faye addressing NPI.  That's enough to make one not listen to it.

 

[rascal]

I don't think this is true. Warriors look at the tactical level. Military leadership looks at the strategic level. Politicians look at the political level. Few, if any, politicians are capable of strategic thinking.

I would suggest that military leadership has a heavy element of politics.  

 

[HellToupee]

One of these animals had an ankle bracelet on but could remove it from 8am-12pm. How thoughtful

 

[tonydead]

Weird to see the early posts that are surprised that this holy war targeted another religion. 

 

[Glass Joe]

Can someone provide us with specifics on how you targets Muslims? What country's Muslims? Do we force concentration camps in non-Muslim countries while bombing fully Muslim countries? 

Need some specifics.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Can someone provide us with specifics on how you targets Muslims? What country's Muslims? Do we force concentration camps in non-Muslim countries while bombing fully Muslim countries? 

Need some specifics.




 

That's right.  

If you don't have a plan, you don't really mean it.

 

[tonydead]

I'd prefer to ignore Nam as well. Having said that, I don't know how we prove a religious belief false, short of doing what the Catholics did to the Cathars.

You educate people until they trust the world around them and they have the epiphany that it doesn't require disproof, rather they start holding it to the same standards they apply to everything else in their lives. But we don't have time for that it seems. 

 

[tonydead]

Can someone provide us with specifics on how you targets Muslims? What country's Muslims? Do we force concentration camps in non-Muslim countries while bombing fully Muslim countries? 

Need some specifics.

Secure your borders, vet all Muslims in your own country, teach other countries how you did it and then target all countries that dont comply. 

 

[tonydead]

I also think oil independence would go a long way to breaking these people. 

 

[Glass Joe]

Secure your borders, vet all Muslims in your own country, teach other countries how you did it and then target all countries that dont comply. 

Target other countries = what - we bomb countries that don't behave as we desire? Even if a NATO ally, such as France?

 

[DallasDMac]

Target other countries = what - we bomb countries that don't behave as we desire? Even if a NATO ally, such as France?

France would likely be the first country on board.

 

[msommer]

France would likely be the first country on board.

"Mon Dieu!!!  It's a completely new concept, Zut alors, how did we ever miss that?"

 

[tonydead]

Target other countries = what - we bomb countries that don't behave as we desire? Even if a NATO ally, such as France?

No, by target I mean I'd start isolating them from the "coalition" block everything in and out. Keep them from the rest of the world and starve them out.  

 

[Binky The Doormat]

"Mon Dieu!!!  It's a completely new concept, Zut alors, how did we ever miss that?"




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I just now made the connection  

 

[msommer]

I just now made the connection  

I was actually more going here, around the 1:05 mark

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I was actually more going here, around the 1:05 mark

Nice, never noticed!  

 

[chauncey]

Can someone provide us with specifics on how you targets Muslims? What country's Muslims? Do we force concentration camps in non-Muslim countries while bombing fully Muslim countries? 

Need some specifics.

Put GPS trackers in their Toyota trucks when they purchase them. 

 

[rockaction]

How about this, a statement of beauty (no sarcasm) from the archbishop that controls the region. So continental:

"The Catholic church has no other arms than prayer and fraternity among men...I will leave behind here hundreds of young people who are he future of humanity, of true humanity. I ask them not to give up in the face of such violence and to become apostles for a civilization of love."

Well. #######. said. 

Praise be to God in the highest

and peace to his people on earth...

 

[otb_lifer]

44 killed, dozens injured in Kurdish area - Syria

:(

 

[Gary Coal Man]

How about this, a statement of beauty (no sarcasm) from the archbishop that controls the region. So continental:

"The Catholic church has no other arms than prayer and fraternity among men...I will leave behind here hundreds of young people who are he future of humanity, of true humanity. I ask them not to give up in the face of such violence and to become apostles for a civilization of love."

Well. #######. said. 

Praise be to God in the highest

and peace to his people on earth...

The priest was conducting mass when he was beheaded.  Presumably the priest was praying and sharing his love with his fraternal congregation.  That prayer, love, and fraternity was useless in the face of an ideology that does not wish to be fraternal and views "love your enemy" as a weakness to be used against the people who hold it.

If we're going to be sharing statements from prominent European Christian figures, I've always like the linked statement from Pope Benedict (then Cardinal Ratzinger):

If Europe hates itself

 

[rockaction]

The priest was conducting mass when he was beheaded.  Presumably the priest was praying and sharing his love with his fraternal congregation.  That prayer, love, and fraternity was useless in the face of an ideology that does not wish to be fraternal and views "love your enemy" as a weakness to be used against the people who hold it.

If we're going to be sharing statements from prominent European Christian figures, I've always like the linked statement from Pope Benedict (then Cardinal Ratzinger):

If Europe hates itself

Yeah, and that, too.  The archbishop chose words carefully, and I think his words stand also.  

 

[Christo]

Are you advocating we stoop to their level?

Ward: Just don't lose sight of whose rights are being violated!

Anderson: Don't put me on your perch, Mr. Ward.

Ward: Don't drag me into your gutter, Mr. Anderson!

Anderson: These people are crawling out of the SEWER, MR. WARD! Maybe the gutter's where we outta be!

 

[badmojo1006]

Muslims pray with Catholics over French priest's murder

 

[whoknew]

What do you think the US has been doing for 15 years?

Maybe a different approach is appropriate. (I know this doesn't go with your schtick)

How a Danish Town Helped Young Muslims Turn Away from ISIS

Link and Aarslev are crime prevention officers. They usually deal with locals who are drawn to right-wing extremism, or gangs. The landscape of global terrorism was completely new to them. But they decided to take it on. And once they did, they wound up creating an unusual — and unusually successful — approach to combating radicalization. 

...

But the Danish police officers took a different approach: They made it clear to citizens of Denmark who had traveled to Syria that they were welcome to come home, and that when they did, they would receive help with going back to school, finding an apartment, meeting with a psychiatrist or a mentor, or whatever they needed to fully integrate back into society.

...

As they see it, coming down hard on young, radicalized Muslims will only make them angrier and more of a danger to society. Helping them is the only chance to keep an eye on them and also to keep the peace in their town.

...

Starting in 2012, 34 people went from Aarhus to Syria. As far as the police know, six were killed and 10 are still over there. Of the 18 who came back home, all showed up in Aarslev and Link's office, as did hundreds of other potential radicals in Aarhus — about 330 in total.

But the program is admired for another accomplishment: Since the initial exodus of young people, very few have left from Aarhus for Syria, even when traffic from the rest of Europe was spiking. Last year, in 2015, it was just one person.

In contrast - the US's approach:

OXFORD, Miss. (AP) — The Latest on the sentencing of a Mississippi woman who pleaded guilty to conspiring to provide material support to a terrorist organization, the Islamic State group (all times local):

12:45 p.m.

A Mississippi woman who once sought to disguise a planned journey to join the Islamic State group as her honeymoon has been sentenced to 12 years in prison on a terrorism charge.

Vicksburg native Jaelyn Young was sentenced Thursday by U.S. District Judge Sharion Aycock. Young pleaded guilty in March to one count of conspiring to provide material support to a terrorist organization.

Young had faced up to 20 years in prison. Her parents pleaded for leniency Thursday, and Young broke down in heavy sobs at sentencing, saying she was ashamed of her actions.

Her fiance, Muhammad Dakhlalla, pleaded guilty March 11 to a similar charge and is set to be sentenced Aug. 24. Prosecutors have said Young, who converted to Islam while studying at Mississippi State University, had prodded Dakhlalla into the plan.

The two were arrested in 2015 before boarding a flight from Columbus, Mississippi.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Throw away the key!