Pro Bowlers to be announced today (1 Viewer)

[Borat]

Casey Hampton: 33 tackles, 2 TFL, 0 sacks, 1 FF (????)Jamal Williams: 58 tackles, 1.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 0 FF (Jamal has played well)Richard Seymour: 36 tackles, 3 TFL, 4 sacks, 0 FF (Is he really an interior lineman in that system?)John Henderson: 45 tackles, 5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 0 FF All 3 Pro Bowl DTs are from 3-4 teams... odd.

The stats don't really mean much, because, as you said, all three of those guys play in primarily 3-4 defenses. All three of those guys are just as good, if not better, than Henderson, despite what the stats may say (and yes, I agree Henderson is a monster in his own right).To answer your question about Seymour, he's an end when they're in the 3-4 and he moves inside when they go to the 4-3. To tell you the truth, I think Ty Warren has had an even better (and certainly more consistent) season than Seymour. Of course, Warren would have had to make the team strictly as an end.On the subject of the Patriots, I was a little surprised that Asante Samuel didn't make it. I'm not even necessarily saying that he deserves it over the guys who made it; I'm just saying that I expected him to make it for his interceptions alone.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Well obviously team records don't come into play because Colston has 26 less total yards and three more TDs than Boldin, and plays on an awful team and still got selected. Yards per game is also not a great metric. I mean we could have a guy play four games and have 150 yards per and 5 Tds after all. I think it has to be overall stats. But yeah, Colston deserved it. More than Roy or Boldin. I said Roy because he should have gone over Boldin IMO.

Good point about records. I guess Boldin is more proven than either. Much easier for established players to make it than for new guys. It's always been this way.

 

[Chase Stuart]

1993 and 1994 Cowboys both had 11 Pro Bowlers.

 

[ThisGuy]

Happy to see the cheater, Shawne Merriman made the team.

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!

Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

 

[doughboydeluxe]

This might sound a bit hollow considering Bears took 3/4 ST spots on the NFC roster. (all well-deserved!) But what does Brad Maynard have to do to get picked?

He might start by not having the 8th best average in the conference. McBriar leads the NFL in punting average and is tied for 1st in the NFL in net average... I don't think Maynard has much of a gripe.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

 

[Gr00vus]

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again.

In this year's NFC, Vick deserved to go to the pro bowl more than in any of his other seasons.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Three pro-bowlers for SD (Rivers, Merriman, Kaeding)...... and Eli misses the pro-bowl(and playoffs). Ouch.

Nine for SD: LT, Rivers, Gates, Neal, Hardwick, Merriman, Jamal, Kaeding, Osgood.What's the record? How many did the 1985 Bears have? I think nine, but I'm not sure.

I think I remember some teams having 10 or more, but am not sure.

85 Bears had 9: Jim Covert (ol), Richard Dent (dl), Dave Duerson (db), Dan Hampton (dl), Jay Hilgenberg (ol), Jim McMahon (qb), Walter Payton (rb), Mike Singletary (lb), Otis Wilson (lb).1972 Fins, 9: **** Anderson (db), Nick Buoniconti (lb), Larry Csonka (rb), Norm Evans (ol), Larry Little (ol), Mercury Morris (rb), Jake Scott (db), Bill Stanfill (dl), Paul Warfield (wr).

'90 Bills sent 10: Kelly(qb), Thomas (rb), Reed (wr), Tasker (wr), Wilford (ol), Hull (ol), Smith (de), Conlan (lb), Bennett (lb), Talley (lb)eta: too late

 

[Capella]

Why are people hating on Romo? That team was f'n dead before he got inserted in there.

Hell, he was a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ThisGuy]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

Wow I didn't even realize Romo made it Well I guess if Merriman can roid up and make it, why can't a guy who didn't play the first few weeks make it Jeremy Shockey should send Roy Williams something for helping him get to the Pro-Bowl every year.At the Giants game Sunday, Shockey made a catch and an Eagles fan sitting behind me said that Shockey was the most overrated player in the NFL. I turned around and said Roy Williams and he immediately said "My bad, you're right."

 

[doughboydeluxe]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

Tony Romo is actually one case where voters did a good job of not just looking at stats and reputation. When Vick is on he is great, but when he is off, he costs his team games. Romo almost single-handedly turned the Cowboys season around. I could see an argument for Vick over Bulger, though.I don't know anyone, even among Cowboy fans, who doesn't think Roy Williams is overrated. Newman is by far the best DB in Dallas.

 

[BlueDredSo]

id I read that correctly? Only 4 players not on the Colts, Chargers, Chiefs, or Bengals made it on the AFC offensive squad?

Ridiculous.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This might sound a bit hollow considering Bears took 3/4 ST spots on the NFC roster. (all well-deserved!) But what does Brad Maynard have to do to get picked?

He might start by not having the 8th best average in the conference. McBriar leads the NFL in punting average and is tied for 1st in the NFL in net average... I don't think Maynard has much of a gripe.

Maynard's net average is 5th in the NFC and he ranks 7th in punts inside the 20. He was not deserving this year.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

id I read that correctly? Only 4 players not on the Colts, Chargers, Chiefs, or Bengals made it on the AFC offensive squad?Ridiculous.

Other than Brady over Rivers, I don't see much to argue about on AFC offense.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

he has 5 interceptions

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Why are people hating on Romo? That team was f'n dead before he got inserted in there.

Rex Grossman is 12-2. I guess he should be on the team following this rationale since the Bears got smoked with Orton last year. Grossman also has 22 TDS to Romo's 16. Romo doesn't deserve to be on a Pro Bowl team selected after week 15. Maybe after week 17 but not after week 15. And why wasn't Donovan McNabb selected? Because he's on the IR? Is he ineligible? McNabb>Romo/Bulger/Vick/Weinke

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Why are people hating on Romo? That team was f'n dead before he got inserted in there.

Rex Grossman is 12-2. I guess he should be on the team following this rationale since the Bears got smoked with Orton last year. Grossman also has 22 TDS to Romo's 16. Romo doesn't deserve to be on a Pro Bowl team selected after week 15. Maybe after week 17 but not after week 15. And why wasn't Donovan McNabb selected? Because he's on the IR? Is he ineligible? McNabb>Romo/Bulger/Vick/Weinke

Yes, because he's on IR. If he was healthy, it would have been McNabb, Brees, then a jumble for the last QB spot.

 

[BlueDredSo]

id I read that correctly? Only 4 players not on the Colts, Chargers, Chiefs, or Bengals made it on the AFC offensive squad?Ridiculous.

Other than Brady over Rivers, I don't see much to argue about on AFC offense.

I guess you're right, looking at it again I really have no problem with it. It's just ridiculous that out of 16 teams only these 4 teams can produce Pro Bowl offensive players. I hate how offensive linemen make it based on popularity though. There are so many other guys that could've made it.Awesome to see Schobel finally getting recognition , but still none for Fletcher(-Baker)

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Why are people hating on Romo? That team was f'n dead before he got inserted in there.

Rex Grossman is 12-2. I guess he should be on the team following this rationale since the Bears got smoked with Orton last year. Grossman also has 22 TDS to Romo's 16. Romo doesn't deserve to be on a Pro Bowl team selected after week 15. Maybe after week 17 but not after week 15. And why wasn't Donovan McNabb selected? Because he's on the IR? Is he ineligible? McNabb>Romo/Bulger/Vick/Weinke

Yes, because he's on IR. If he was healthy, it would have been McNabb, Brees, then a jumble for the last QB spot.

I thought so. I don't know why they just don't select the best guys and then add replacements as needed. I mean I don't know if McNabb has Pro Bowl bonuses but he should be on the team in name over those other guys not named Brees.

 

[ThisGuy]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

he has 5 interceptions

And that's about it. He has only 55 tackles, 0 FF and 0 sacks...and hasn't missed time. If it's based on stats, Ken Hamlin and Dwight Smith are having better seasons.

 

[DrJ]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

Romo almost single-handedly turned the Cowboys season around.

They were averaging 28.1 PPG before Romo, and 27.25 PPG since he's been in. Romo has had a relatively healthy Owens, Bledsoe didn't. Romo almost lost the game against the Giants, he's lucky that they dropped one of his int's on the ground and that they were about 3 times as banged up as when Bledsoe had to face them. I certainly wouldn't call Romo's performance vs Bledsoe's performance the big difference in those games... Overall, it seems like the Cowboys are just playing a little better as a team, catching some teams at better times than before, and they now have a healthy Owens who is a big target for them on that side of the ball. He's looked good in one of his last 3 games.... I guess lucky for him the Pro Bowl voting happens now, and so voters didn't get to see the full effects of the league having game footage and adjusting, like they did with Grossman.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Westbrook got robbed.

Edit to say:

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

he has 5 interceptions

And that's about it. He has only 55 tackles, 0 FF and 0 sacks...and hasn't missed time. If it's based on stats, Ken Hamlin and Dwight Smith are having better seasons.

Ken Hamlin was hurt by playing with the worst strong safety in the history of professional football. It's too bad the guy at SS wasn't even close to average because hamlin would be getting more credit than he gets. I think he's a strong choice for mention as comeback POY and he certainly has done well trying to play on a defense with only ten players on the field. I hate Michael Boulware/Jordan Babineaux. They aren't even AFL material.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

this is my initial list of snubs

AFC

QB Tom Brady (over Phil Rivers)

DE Jared Allen (over Derrick Burgess)

OLB Keith Bulluck, Bart Scott (over Terrell Suggs)

ILB London Fletcher (over Al Wilson)

S Kerry Rhodes, Sean Jones, Chris Hope (over Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed)

NFC

QB Michael Vick (over Marc Bulger)

RB Brian Westbrook (over Tiki Barber)

WR Marques Colston, Roy Williams (over Anquan Boldin)

DE Leonard Little (over Will Smith)

CB Terence Newman (over DeAngelo Hall or Lito Sheppard)

S Gibril Wilson, Sean Taylor, Ken Hamlin (any over Roy Williams)

 

[TheLastDispatch]

this is my initial list of snubs

AFC

QB Tom Brady (over Phil Rivers)

DE Jared Allen (over Derrick Burgess)

OLB Keith Bulluck, Bart Scott (over Terrell Suggs)

ILB London Fletcher (over Al Wilson)

S Kerry Rhodes, Sean Jones, Chris Hope (over Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed)

NFC

QB Michael Vick (over Marc Bulger)

RB Brian Westbrook (over Tiki Barber)

WR Marques Colston, Roy Williams (over Anquan Boldin)

DE Leonard Little (over Will Smith)

CB Terence Newman (over DeAngelo Hall or Lito Sheppard)

S Gibril Wilson, Sean Taylor, Ken Hamlin (any over Roy Williams)

I don't follow defensive players closely enough to make an intelligent comment on those snubs you listed. I could see Vick over Bulger as well.

 

[Buckna]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

Romo almost single-handedly turned the Cowboys season around.

They were averaging 28.1 PPG before Romo, and 27.25 PPG since he's been in. Romo has had a relatively healthy Owens, Bledsoe didn't. Romo almost lost the game against the Giants, he's lucky that they dropped one of his int's on the ground and that they were about 3 times as banged up as when Bledsoe had to face them. I certainly wouldn't call Romo's performance vs Bledsoe's performance the big difference in those games... Overall, it seems like the Cowboys are just playing a little better as a team, catching some teams at better times than before, and they now have a healthy Owens who is a big target for them on that side of the ball. He's looked good in one of his last 3 games.... I guess lucky for him the Pro Bowl voting happens now, and so voters didn't get to see the full effects of the league having game footage and adjusting, like they did with Grossman.

I would add, the Cowboys were 9-7 last year without TO or Romo and were 3-3 before Bledsoe was benched. They are now 9-5 with two games left so they will end up winning, at most, 2 more games than last year.I'm a believer in Romo and think he'll have a great career but the hype right now is ridiculous. People act as if the Cowboys were one of the worst teams in the league before he took over the reins.

 

[Tau837]

For all of you saying Brady should have made it over Rivers, I'd like to hear why. Rivers has reasonably comparable total statistics and better QB rating, completion percentage, TD/int ratio, etc. His team has a better record and is a top Super Bowl contender.

The only possible reason I can imagine being cited is Rivers' supporting cast is better, so Brady has done about as much with less. But compare last year's Chargers team with this year's. What has changed to make the team so much better, aside from QB? I'm not saying Rivers is the only reason for the improvement (for example, McNeill has been great), but certainly he is a big reason.

In truth, wouldn't it be a bigger snub to drop the QB of the best team in the NFL, given that he has performed well? I mean, it's not like he's Trent Dilfer out there... he's among the top 10 in every passing category.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Coles snub

I think that last spot is a real tossup. It could have been Coles and I wouldn't have had a problem with that. But it just as well could have been Lee Evans too. He has the same number of TDs as Coles and more yards despite 17 fewer receptions. AJ has more receptions and yards than both Evans and Coles but one fewer TD.I think that was just a tough one to fill. Wayne, Harrison and CJ were no brainers. After that it got pretty difficult.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

For all of you saying Brady should have made it over Rivers, I'd like to hear why. Rivers has reasonably comparable total statistics and better QB rating, completion percentage, TD/int ratio, etc. His team has a better record and is a top Super Bowl contender.The only possible reason I can imagine being cited is Rivers' supporting cast is better, so Brady has done about as much with less. But compare last year's Chargers team with this year's. What has changed to make the team so much better, aside from QB? I'm not saying Rivers is the only reason for the improvement (for example, McNeill has been great), but certainly he is a big reason.In truth, wouldn't it be a bigger snub to drop the QB of the best team in the NFL, given that he has performed well? I mean, it's not like he's Trent Dilfer out there... he's among the top 10 in every passing category.

put Rivers on the Patriots this year and how do you think that team would do?put Brady on the Chargers this year and how do you think that team would do?

 

[Phlash]

Brady carried his offense this year when Maroney was out. HOW DOES HE NOT MAKE IT?!?!?!?!

Phillip Rivers is supported by an All-Star cast... what a horrible snub.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

For all of you saying Brady should have made it over Rivers, I'd like to hear why. Rivers has reasonably comparable total statistics and better QB rating, completion percentage, TD/int ratio, etc. His team has a better record and is a top Super Bowl contender.

The only possible reason I can imagine being cited is Rivers' supporting cast is better, so Brady has done about as much with less. But compare last year's Chargers team with this year's. What has changed to make the team so much better, aside from QB? I'm not saying Rivers is the only reason for the improvement (for example, McNeill has been great), but certainly he is a big reason.

In truth, wouldn't it be a bigger snub to drop the QB of the best team in the NFL, given that he has performed well? I mean, it's not like he's Trent Dilfer out there... he's among the top 10 in every passing category.

Well we're talking about people here, not inanimate objects. It seems like this gets forgotten alot. Players can improve from one year to the next.FWIW, I think the Chargers are partly better because players have matured, and largely because of their schedule. Last year they had the toughest schedule. This year they have among the easiest (the easiest part is not official, just my opinion).

 

[GroveDiesel]

this is my initial list of snubsAFCQB Tom Brady (over Phil Rivers)DE Jared Allen (over Derrick Burgess)OLB Keith Bulluck, Bart Scott (over Terrell Suggs)ILB London Fletcher (over Al Wilson)S Kerry Rhodes, Sean Jones, Chris Hope (over Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed)NFCQB Michael Vick (over Marc Bulger)RB Brian Westbrook (over Tiki Barber)WR Marques Colston, Roy Williams (over Anquan Boldin)DE Leonard Little (over Will Smith)CB Terence Newman (over DeAngelo Hall or Lito Sheppard)S Gibril Wilson, Sean Taylor, Ken Hamlin (any over Roy Williams)

Pretty good list. My bet is that the O-line choices were probably pretty shaky but those are so difficult for us average Joes to really nail down. IMO, it doesn't seem like Walter Jones has been nearly as good this season without Steve Hutchinson. For being supposedly the best OT in the game the Seahawks haven been able to run the ball all that effectively.And I think it's an absolute travesty that DeAngelo Hall and Roy Williams made the Pro Bowl. Neither one is even in the top half at their position IMO. I haven't watched many GB games so maybe I'm wrong, but Charles Woodson's numbers seem to me to be Pro Bowl calibre. 6 INTs and tied for second in the NFC in passes defensed. And I'll disagree with you on Lito Sheppard. Lito missed 3 games but absolutely deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. His presence has made a huge difference for the Eagles. Plus he has 5 INTs and is tied with Woodson for passes defensed. He deserves to be there.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I haven't watched many GB games so maybe I'm wrong, but Charles Woodson's numbers seem to me to be Pro Bowl calibre. 6 INTs and tied for second in the NFC in passes defensed. And I'll disagree with you on Lito Sheppard. Lito missed 3 games but absolutely deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. His presence has made a huge difference for the Eagles. Plus he has 5 INTs and is tied with Woodson for passes defensed. He deserves to be there.

INTs aren't everything. Roy Williams has five and you just said he was terrible.Charles Woodson hasn't been as good as his numbers suggest. Check out the Packers pass defense numbers this season.I disagree about Lito Sheppard. The 5 INTs is nice but Eagles statkeepers inflate their pass defense numbers more than any other team in the league. But, there weren't many great candidates at CB in the NFC this year.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

For all of you saying Brady should have made it over Rivers, I'd like to hear why.

I think Manning and Palmer are pretty clearly more deserving than Rivers, and Rivers is pretty clearly more deserving than Brady (if we are only counting this year, not the past five years). QB in the AFC seems like an easy choice this year, and they got it right.

 

[PsychoMan]

How does Roy Williams, S, Dallas keep making the pro-bowl?!?!?!?!?!

Is there a more overrated player in the NFL?

I guess it's a Cowboys thing. Sorry but I think it's laughable Tony Romo made it. Over Vick? Give me a ####### break. I'm starting to hate the Cowboys again. ETA: Oh and Roy Williams is one of the five worst cover safties in the NFL. Can't hate a Sooner too much, but he is really overrated.

I could not possibly agree with this more.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Brees and Romo were the obvious top two choices for the NFC. McNabb would have been the third guy, but since he's out I think Bulger is the right choice.

Vick had some good games and some terrible games, but overall I think Bulger played better.

 

[delusional]

wow westbrook got snubbed big time

look at the carries he has compared to barber + receptions and recieving yards AND TDs.

big miss here.

 

[PsychoMan]

wow westbrook got snubbed big timelook at the carries he has compared to barber + receptions and recieving yards AND TDs. big miss here.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

For all of you saying Brady should have made it over Rivers, I'd like to hear why.

I think Manning and Palmer are pretty clearly more deserving than Rivers, and Rivers is pretty clearly more deserving than Brady (if we are only counting this year, not the past five years). QB in the AFC seems like an easy choice this year, and they got it right.

I agree with this. Rivers has been just as good as Brady this year, if not a little better and selecting Rivers over Brady is ok. Brady is still one of the two best QBs in the league and he's not going to miss playing in the worst all star game in all of sports save the MLS game. I just have an issue with consistency. Brady doesn't get in on reputation but Roy Williams does? Romo gets a bunch of press and he gets in over Vick? Barber over Westbrook? Wilson over Fletcher? All those had to do more with popularity/reputation than with substance IMO. The Boldin one I just can't explain.

 

[ThisGuy]

wow westbrook got snubbed big timelook at the carries he has compared to barber + receptions and recieving yards AND TDs. big miss here.

It's Tiki's swan song. After a career of being underrated, Tiki is overrated his last year.

 

[-OZ-]

this is my initial list of snubs

AFC

QB Tom Brady (over Phil Rivers)

DE Jared Allen (over Derrick Burgess)

OLB Keith Bulluck, Bart Scott (over Terrell Suggs)

ILB London Fletcher (over Al Wilson)

S Kerry Rhodes, Sean Jones, Chris Hope (over Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed)

NFC

QB Michael Vick (over Marc Bulger)

RB Brian Westbrook (over Tiki Barber)

WR Marques Colston, Roy Williams (over Anquan Boldin)

DE Leonard Little (over Will Smith)

CB Terence Newman (over DeAngelo Hall or Lito Sheppard)

S Gibril Wilson, Sean Taylor, Ken Hamlin (any over Roy Williams)

I don't have a problem with Tiki going over Westbrook. It isn't a career award, but in this case, IMO the career can be a tie-breaker, and Tiki is having a good season. The #4 rusher, although he doesn't get many TDs as he's replaced by Jacobs. We knew he would get the nod this year, and I don't think you can say, irrefutably, that Westbrook is having the better year all things considered.Maybe you can, but I don't see it.

Fletcher not making it is probably the biggest error. Although the DBs are pretty bad too.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Fletcher over Wilson? All those had to do more with popularity/reputation than with substance IMO.

Fletcher didn't make it. I'm guessing the Bills awful run defense this year hurts him, even though it was hardly his fault. Ray Lewis got snubbed this year too, which was a little surprising.On an unrelated note, I don't understand how Terrell Suggs made it as an OLB. The Ravens ran a 4-3 this year with Suggs and Pryce at DE. Their OLBs were Bart Scott and Adalius Thomas. Very very odd.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Fletcher over Wilson? All those had to do more with popularity/reputation than with substance IMO.

Fletcher didn't make it. I'm guessing the Bills awful run defense this year hurts him, even though it was hardly his fault. Ray Lewis got snubbed this year too, which was a little surprising.

Sorry I swapped the names. All I heard on those Sunday night games is how fast Wilson was, how he was the best of the best linebacking unit, etc, etc, etc. I personally like Ian Gold of that group. Wilson is a little overrated to me and Fletcher had a great year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Coles snub

I think that last spot is a real tossup. It could have been Coles and I wouldn't have had a problem with that. But it just as well could have been Lee Evans too. He has the same number of TDs as Coles and more yards despite 17 fewer receptions. AJ has more receptions and yards than both Evans and Coles but one fewer TD.I think that was just a tough one to fill. Wayne, Harrison and CJ were no brainers. After that it got pretty difficult.

Coles is second in the NFL in receptions. Without him, the Jets would probably be 5-9. He's been excellent this year, and ranks 4th in percentage of team receiving yards. Evans ranks 1st, A. Johnson ranks 2nd and J. Walker rank third -- and all three of them have terrible supporting casts. Coles has to share catches with Cotchery, who's a whole lot better than Eric Moulds, Josh Reed and Rod Smith. Chad Johnson ranks 5th, which is of course very impressive because the Bengals have other good receivers.Coles has been a big part of the suprise team in the AFC this year. I'd have put him in over Harrison, who probably would have been selected even if he went 0/0/0 last night. I also think a good argument could be made for Evans over Andre Johnson, or Harrison over Johnson if you put Coles in.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't have a problem with Tiki going over Westbrook. It isn't a career award, but in this case, IMO the career can be a tie-breaker, and Tiki is having a good season. The #4 rusher, although he doesn't get many TDs as he's replaced by Jacobs. We knew he would get the nod this year, and I don't think you can say, irrefutably, that Westbrook is having the better year all things considered.Maybe you can, but I don't see it.

Brian Westbrook: 213 carries for 1092 yards (5.1 avg), 74 receptions for 664 yards (9.0 avg), 11 TDs in 13 gamesTiki Barber: 288 carries for 1357 yards (4.7 avg), 52 receptions for 429 yards (8.3 avg), 2 TDs in 14 gamesWestbrook: 1756 yards from scrimmage and 11 TDs (in 13 games)Barber: 1786 yards from scrimmage and 2 TDs (in 14 games)Westbrook has better averages across the board, but the TD difference is what separates them and it's a huge difference.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Fletcher over Wilson? All those had to do more with popularity/reputation than with substance IMO.

Fletcher didn't make it. I'm guessing the Bills awful run defense this year hurts him, even though it was hardly his fault. Ray Lewis got snubbed this year too, which was a little surprising.

Sorry I swapped the names. All I heard on those Sunday night games is how fast Wilson was, how he was the best of the best linebacking unit, etc, etc, etc. I personally like Ian Gold of that group. Wilson is a little overrated to me and Fletcher had a great year.

Wilson must be very highly regarded by his peers and the coaches around the league. I'm a big fan of his game but his stats are always underwhelming. ILB is and always has been the hardest position to make the Pro Bowl since they only take 2 but most teams have their best LB playing that position.

 

[Borat]

On an unrelated note, I don't understand how Terrell Suggs made it as an OLB. The Ravens ran a 4-3 this year with Suggs and Pryce at DE. Their OLBs were Bart Scott and Adalius Thomas. Very very odd.

Not only that, but I would've taken both Scott and Thomas over Suggs.

 

[Gr00vus]

On an unrelated note, I don't understand how Terrell Suggs made it as an OLB. The Ravens ran a 4-3 this year with Suggs and Pryce at DE. Their OLBs were Bart Scott and Adalius Thomas. Very very odd.

Not only that, but I would've taken both Scott and Thomas over Suggs.

Shaun Phillips as well - though he was maybe injured a bit too much this year.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't have a problem with Tiki going over Westbrook. It isn't a career award, but in this case, IMO the career can be a tie-breaker, and Tiki is having a good season. The #4 rusher, although he doesn't get many TDs as he's replaced by Jacobs. We knew he would get the nod this year, and I don't think you can say, irrefutably, that Westbrook is having the better year all things considered.

Maybe you can, but I don't see it.

Brian Westbrook: 213 carries for 1092 yards (5.1 avg), 74 receptions for 664 yards (9.0 avg), 11 TDs in 13 gamesTiki Barber: 288 carries for 1357 yards (4.7 avg), 52 receptions for 429 yards (8.3 avg), 2 TDs in 14 games

Westbrook: 1756 yards from scrimmage and 11 TDs (in 13 games)

Barber: 1786 yards from scrimmage and 2 TDs (in 14 games)

Westbrook has better averages across the board, but the TD difference is what separates them and it's a huge difference.

I just don't put much weight into the TDs considering Tiki has one of the best shortdistance runners in the game as his backup, while Westbrook gets to stay in for the TDs. Westbrook is obviously a great player, a gamebreaker and one of the best in the league. Tiki is also one of the best. It's too bad 4 RBs couldn't make the team. Reminds me of the year LT didn't make it.

Fairly decent read: http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9880915

 

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Why are people hating on Romo? That team was f'n dead before he got inserted in there.

Rex Grossman is 12-2. I guess he should be on the team following this rationale since the Bears got smoked with Orton last year. Grossman also has 22 TDS to Romo's 16. Romo doesn't deserve to be on a Pro Bowl team selected after week 15. Maybe after week 17 but not after week 15. And why wasn't Donovan McNabb selected? Because he's on the IR? Is he ineligible? McNabb>Romo/Bulger/Vick/Weinke

this is shtick, right?