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Pro days (1 Viewer)

Since we can never have too many sites/too much information...

NFL.com's Pro Days Blog

Probably my "go to" site for Pro Day information. I also like that they still have Pro Days from the prior season for comparison's purposes.

 
Bloom tweeted earlier that Auburn's pro day is on ESPN3 today. (It's either now or very soon.)

Jim Wyatt tweeted that 150 NFL officials and 100 media members are at Auburn's pro day...(How about that Cam hype?)

misstated "will be" not "are" there

 
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I know this isn't Cam, Ingram or Fairley pro day status, but the small school guys always intrigue me. I'm slightly interested in Jason Gwaltney's (Division III Kean University-NJ) piggy backed pro day at Fordham yesterday. His #s aren't too bad considering the situation and he could be a deep-deep hidden gem small schooler to at least put on the radar in deep dynasty leagues. Some have probably never heard of Gwaltney but he was a 5 Star RB recruit at WVU (offered by all the big schools) out of Long Island that never made it out of the blocks (maturity/academics/injury etc.). He has taken a different, more difficult path than most to try and get to the draft and NFL. He looks to be on the right track now and has a slight chip on his shoulder. Now, the question is will he get a shot in a camp?

Fordham Pro Day- 3/8

5'11" 220

Forty- 4.6 (agent seemed to think he can consistently clock a tick faster)

4.01 20yd Shuttle

Short shuttle 4.10

3 cone 7.10 (slipped)

No dropped passes

20 reps @ 225

10'6" broad

Vertical 39"

Good size, vert, broad jump, 20 yd shuttle. Nothing earth shattering but seems to be on par (or better) with a lot of the RBs at the combine. He hasn't seen the competition level of all of them for sure, but might be a name to tuck away. For a guy that may actually be more talented than some of the mid range RBs in this class and someone that put up 7,800 yards and 135 touchdowns in HS you just never know. Tuck the name away in your small school file maybe. Not in his favor of course though, RBs coming out of D1 are a dime a dozen...so he's like a penny per thousand when it comes to getting attention.

 
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110310/SPT02/103110365/0/BIZ01/NFL-teams-take-look-UK?odyssey=nav|head

Soooo Locke and Cobb decided not to run on their pro day.

26 NFL teams went (scout types) and only two coaches.

Panthers sent their coach, Ricky Proehl likely to gauge Cobb. (WR watch WR)

Maybe more interesting, Bengals sent their RB coach and Cobb did run some RB drills. So they could be interested in both Cobb and Locke. Cobb wasn't expecting to run RB drills (he's played QB, RB and WR but teams have him pegged at WR) so there might be something to the Bengals RB coach being there and suddenly Cobb's running the RB drills.

I don't think Cincy needs to go WR in this draft with a significant pick. They have three promising young WRs already and an impressive TE. This would have to be a move to add a playmaker for spark.

It is certainly possible that Anderson liked Cobb and simply wanted the chance to check him out, meanwhile they do not plan to draft him. I'm not a geography wiz, but I don't think Cincy is (relatively) all that far from UK.

 
Niles Paul WR Nebraska reportedly improved his 40 yard dash time to between 4.37 and 4.4 flat. He had been expected to run much better than his combine time, so this is a good sign. He also added a couple inches to his vertical to reach around 38".

S prospect Eric Hagg improved his time from a 4.6 to a 4.5.

TE Mike McNeil ran a 4.61.

QB Zac Lee ran a 4.6 and completed 28/30 passes with 1 drop.

WR Will Henry ran a 4.41 and had a 39.5" vert at 6'5" 215lbs. He's never really made the field as a husker, seems to be another in a long line of wasted WR talent that went undeveloped under former WR coach Gilmore.

 
'Bri said:
Maybe more interesting, Bengals sent their RB coach and Cobb did run some RB drills. So they could be interested in both Cobb and Locke. Cobb wasn't expecting to run RB drills (he's played QB, RB and WR but teams have him pegged at WR) so there might be something to the Bengals RB coach being there and suddenly Cobb's running the RB drills.
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McShay had Cobb at #4 in his RB rankings not too long ago. Very interesting.
 
I don't like him as a RB. Catching a snap from a shotgun where a D thinks you are playing QB (with passing thoughts) is very different than an NFL RB. The more I watch him, the more I think Cobb is the best football player in the draft. Define football player however ya want. I wouldn't second guess him filling in at LB or S for a play or somesuch. If Cincy likes him, best thing they can do is get him on the field. I don't know how or where, but I think that's where Cobb provides some distinct value.

I wasted some time the other day and the blurry tape made me unsure if young Cobb was nailing people on special teams coverage. He holds kicks for the FG, returns punts or kicks, plays WR, QB, RB, he even played FB and made a great block for Locke....what can't he do? If ever there was a "yes man" in college football, it's him when Brooks told him to go do something.

For my selfish fan appetite, I'm desperately hoping Bellichick drafts him. I just feel like I know BB will use him at at least 5 different roles and that'd be so fun to watch.

 
Pitt's pro day

Lewis a star, Baldwin a bust at Pitt pro day

The shortest player at Pitt's pro day Tuesday made the biggest impression. Running back Dion Lewis was explosive, quick and fast during the timing and drills.

Lewis (5-6 5/8, 192) showed extraordinary change-of-direction skills to start and stop in a blink. Although he ran pass routes a bit upright, he did a great job catching the ball away from his body. He also fielded punts and kickoffs, struggling a bit tracking punts but showing the right skills as a kickoff returner. He must add special teams value since backs his size can't handle a big load.

Pitt receiver Jonathan Baldwin traps way too many balls against his body instead of reaching out and snatching them. (AP Photo)

Jabaal Sheard went through defensive end and linebacker drills, showing the athletic ability to be highly productive at either position. He showed good explosiveness in his movements throughout the long workout. He has some growth potential to add some bulk to play end, too. He has been an under-the-radar prospect all fall but might surprise the masses with how high he is drafted April 28. He could be a late riser like Tyson Alualu, the No. 10-overall pick of the Jaguars in the '11 draft.

Offensive tackle Jason Pinkston is light on his feet. He has a shorter frame with a thick, powerful core. Although he is not an elite-level athlete, he moves well enough to play right tackle or shift inside to guard. He shows good lower-body flexibility, footwork in tight spaces and features a strong, short hand punch.

Wide receiver Jon Baldwin has been called a first-round prospect by some in the media, but that's just crazy talk. He is a big receiver with a tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too. Although he didn't drop a pass in Tuesday's workout, he still traps way too many balls against his body instead of reaching out and snatching them. Plus, he trashed former coach Dave Wannstedt in the media after he was fired, turning off many NFL people who would have considered him as a backup receiver. Coaches make exceptions for me-first receivers with rare talent--that's not Baldwin.

Dom DeCicco, a college strong safety, worked out Tuesday with the linebackers. His only chance to play on defense in the NFL is as a weakside linebacker for a 4-3 scheme. For 3-4 teams, his upside is as a nickel linebacker and core special teams player. He is the definition of a slow-twitch, pedestrian athlete who overcompensates for his lack of athletic skills with great instincts and competitiveness. He could struggle to just make an NFL roster.

Defensive end Greg Romeus and fullback Henry Hynoski were unable to participate in Tuesday's workout because of injuries. Romeus is still recovering for a knee injury sustained in the middle of last season, and Hynoski is hampered by a pulled hamstring sustained at the NFL Scouting Combine.

 
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.

 
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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Did you read the two sentences before that said, "tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"?
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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Did you read the two sentences before that said, "tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"?
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That's part of his bias. I'm looking for pro day specifics, not what's been already been bandied about. Unless he was showing his elusiveness against ghosts, that has nothing to do with what he did yesterday.
 
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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I got the exact same impression. The things he wrote just didn't add up.
"traps way too many balls against his body" but "he didn't drop a pass"
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- how bad can it be?
"called a first-round prospect by some in the media" and "turning off many NFL people who would have considered him as a backup receiver"
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- how many 1st and 2nd rounders are drafted to be a backup WR?
"He is a big receiver with a tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"
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- but was one of the most athletic guys at the combine and was elusive enough in college to average almost 20 ypc and score a TD every 8 catches.
 
I didn't/don't watch much of Pitt... but from what I have mostly read, I thought Baldwin was supposed to be very athletic and that this was one of his biggest selling points... well, athletecism and size. I came away with the impression that hands, polish and maturity were the concerns.

Those of you who have watched several Pitt games in the last couple of years, any thoughts on him?

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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Did you read the two sentences before that said, "tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"?
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6'5", 230 pound men don't need burst or elusivness to run through bump coverage, shield an inbound ball from, or jump over 5'10", 190 pound defenders.IOW... there are lots of ways to get open. And not every receiver needs to be able to use every method.Not saying Baldwin's going to be a star - just that this commentary isn't very useful. Baldwin isn't looking to be the next Steve Smith. He's hoping he's the next Plaxico Burress.
 
'wdcrob said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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Did you read the two sentences before that said, "tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"?
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6'5", 230 pound men don't need burst or elusivness to run through bump coverage, shield an inbound ball from, or jump over 5'10", 190 pound defenders.IOW... there are lots of ways to get open. And not every receiver needs to be able to use every method.
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Snipped last sentence.they sure do in the NFL. Guy will be lucky to last a year if he has no route running awareness, elusiveness, or burst. There's been plenty of especially successful CBs that were 5-9 to 5-11. They were successful against taller WRs. This is the best of the best. One trick ponies get exposed quickly.I don't know this guy well enough to say whether this is accurate for him, but I strongly disagree with what you said. it's the NFL.
 
Penn State had their Pro Day.

Royster improved his 40 time to a 4.54. Radio on the way home last night said he has shed some pounds and down to 213.

A few more measureables for he and other players and the rest of the article here:

Centre Daily Times

I think the time should help him a bit. I think he's a decent player stuck in a deep class, but that he'd make a decent 3rd down back with grinder upside.

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Steed said:
Lande says Baldwin's day is a bust but doesn't delve into it more than saying he trapped a couple balls? Sounds a little biased.
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Did you read the two sentences before that said, "tight upper body and almost zero quickness or acceleration off the line or out of breaks. He lacks zero elusiveness running after the catch, too"?
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Russ Lande wasn't even there just as I suspected.
Imposing Pitt wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin wanted to set the record straight, emphasizing that he's not a body catcher as he responded to criticism of his Pro Day workout.

"The Pro Day went very well, no drops at all and I used my hands for every catch," Baldwin told National Football Post today in a telephone inteview. "My hands weren't a problem at all. I always pride myself on catching with my hands.

"I always tell the other guys you're taking a 50-50 chance when you catch it with your body. I didn't drop a pass. Body catching is definitely a no-no. I always catch it with my hands."

In an article for the Sporting News regarding Baldwin's workout on Tuesday, respected former NFL scout Russ Lande wrote that projections of Baldwin as a first-round draft prospect is "just crazy talk."

Lande criticized Baldwin for a lack of elusiveness after the catch and wrote: "Although he didn't drop a pass, he still traps way too many balls against his body instead of reaching out and snatching them."

Baldwin responded to that assessment.

"I really want to let them know how that guy wasnt even there," Baldwin said. "I found it to be more like a personal thing than him actually analyzing me. He was just saying stuff. I don't know how he got those assumptions and speculation. I had a good Pro Day.

"I do read those things and I'm the type of guy when I see some negativity it makes me laugh. I was thinking about it all last night and it made me want to work out eveen harder when I saw that."

A native of Aliquippa, Pa., Baldwin is looking to follow in the rich tradition of NFL players from his hometown including Darrelle Revis, Sean Gilbert and Mike Ditka.

"It means a lot to be a football player from there," said Baldwin, who's being advised by his cousin, former Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Charles Fisher and former Bengals defensive lineman John Thornton. "I want to continue that tradition, God willing, to the NFL. It's a great thing. Those guys are in my corner and I get good advice from them."

The 6-foot-4, 228-pounder ran the 40-yard dash in 4.43 seconds at the NFL scouting combine, bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times and registered a 42-inch vertical leap. He also posted a 10-9 broad jump, a 1.58 10-yard split, a 7.07 three-cone drill.

Baldwin said he was coming off a strained hamstring suffered two weeks before the combine.

"The best time I ever ran was a 4.37," Baldwin said. "If I hadn't gotten hurt I would have run a 4.3. That's what I was running before I got hurt. I couldn't do speed training for two weeks because I had to heal up.

A two-time All-Big East Conference selection, Baldwin caught 53 passes for 822 yards and five touchdowns last season.

He caught 57 passes for 1,111 yards and eight touchdowns the previous season.

"I've got a great work ethic, I'm coming in at 5:30 in the morning to watch film and work on routes and do all those extra things," Baldwin said. "I'll bring that competitive nature, all the necessities to be great. I'll be learning new things and soak everything up from the older guys."

Baldwin met with Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin and executive Kevin Colbert on Tuesday along with other Pitt players.

"Mr. Colbert gave me a tour," Baldwin said. "It was great to be in that facility. We share a training table with them, but that was the first time I got to be upstairs."

Baldwin has a two-year-old son and he says providing for him is a huge motivating force.

"It's a blessing, I love him to death," Baldwin said. "It definitely makes me work harder. I think about him all the time and all the things he could have with my success. I know God has put me on the right path.

"I read the Bible every day. I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. My father sends me texts to read every day of scriptures. I'm a very spiritual guy."

Baldwin is much bigger than most defensive backs.

"In a jump ball situation, I automatically have the advantage," Baldwin said. "It definitely helps a lot. I can jump, too. It helps to have a big body to shield off smaller defenders."

Baldwin has been drawing some second-round grades from draft analysts.

He said if he doesn't go in the first round it will fuel his motivation.

"People always tell me if that does happen you just got to prove to everybody and keep working hard," Baldwin said. "You want to make all the teams that pass you regret it. You apply yourself and practice with excellence and good things will happen."
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You guys aren't the only one calling out Lande and I agree that it was a bit absurd for him to comment when he wasn't even there...

On writing about a Pro Day without actually being therePosted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 17, 2011, 3:09 PM EDTPittsburgh wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin participated in his Pro Day on Tuesday. We didn’t hear much about it except this so-so review from Russ Lande of the Sporting News on the event.“Wide receiver Jon Baldwin has been called a first-round prospect by some in the media, but that’s just crazy talk,” Lande wrote. “Although he didn’t drop a pass in Tuesday’s workout, he still traps way too many balls against his body instead of reaching out and snatching them.”Baldwin took exception to that criticism in comments to NFP, pointing out Lande wasn’t even at the Pro Day. We talked to one of Baldwin’s mentors John Thornton on Thursday, who also disputed Lande’s account.Thornton said Baldwin got terrific feedback from teams and didn’t struggle with trapping the ball whatsoever. He also noted Lande wasn’t at the Pro Day.That’s a pretty serious accusation, so we contacted Lande. Here was his response:“Baldwin is correct that I was not at the pro day. I did not attend because despite being a former NFL scout (I worked for the Browns and the Rams) I am now viewed as media and do not get the same access as current NFL employees do.“So our report on his Pro Day was based on speaking to an NFL source who told us how he worked out. I then combined what that source told me about Baldwin’s workout with what I saw on film when I evaluated his play for Pittsburgh to write the short note about how Baldwin’s performance at his Pro Day and our evaluation of his on-field play convinced us that he is not a 1st round receiver,” Lande said.The problem is that Lande never tells the reader he wasn’t at the Pro Day. In fact, the article strongly leads the reader to believe he was there. There are sections of the article which evaluates the events of the Pro Day in great detail without giving any credit to a third party.We don’t point all this out to pick on Lande; he does a credible job in general. This sort of second-hand evaluation is not that unique, but reporters need to be up front about where their information is coming from.The story points out a troubling trend in draft analysis: There is a lot of “expert” posturing. There is a lot of reliance on sources like scouts that may have an agenda to mislead.There is an almost desperate attempt at times to sound like authoritative insiders when we’re really getting educated guesswork.
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Yikes. Quite a black eye for Lande, imo, no matter how he tries to spin it. If you were not there, comment very briefly as to indicate such.

 
'Russ Lande said:
“Baldwin is correct that I was not at the pro day. I did not attend because despite being a former NFL scout (I worked for the Browns and the Rams) I am now viewed as media and do not get the same access as current NFL employees do.

“So our report on his Pro Day was based on speaking to an NFL source who told us how he worked out. I then combined what that source told me about Baldwin’s workout with what I saw on film when I evaluated his play for Pittsburgh to write the short note about how Baldwin’s performance at his Pro Day and our evaluation of his on-field play convinced us that he is not a 1st round receiver,” Lande said.
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This is such a horsecrap strawman arguement. I've been to plenty of pro days as a fan and a lot of them are run with the media/agents/fans right on the sidelines with NFL personnel on the field with prospects and college coaches. There's no reason Lande couldn't have been 30 yards away from the action and make an assessment. Instead he just relied on someone telling him Baldwin "body caught" a couple balls and passed off his opinion as him being there. I think we know why he's a former NFL scout. I used to think his rankings were good because they were against the grain, now i'm beginning to wonder if it's because he's a hack.

 
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Some DL from Colorado School of Mines bench pressed 225 lbs 52 times.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/19/pro-day-prospect-bests-combine-bench-press-record/Though this shouldn't come as a surprise. The kid squatted 905lbs at age 21.
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did anyone going out and watch the highlight reel on this kid?it is hilarious. obviously, the level of competition is pretty weak but it's just play after play of him flattening and cleaning up people left and right.technique = knocking people on their tails. funny funny stuff.that's a huge number of reps. kudos to him.
 
'Bri said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
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Green's pro-day sounds like it was a fiasco!
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For those of us left scratching our heads...
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That'd be too funny if it was taped before and presented as a live feed. Everyone in the college AV class gets a 4.0 for Green's one handed catch while leaping over the bleachers.Is that Montana kid even going to be drafted? or invited onto an NFL team as an undrafted FA? It's nice and all but why so much love for him?
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The NFL is so ridiculous. Seriously.

 
'Bri said:
Is that Montana kid even going to be drafted? or invited onto an NFL team as an undrafted FA? It's nice and all but why so much love for him?
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The complexities of not being able to use ex-NFL players and non-NFL staffers has caused issues at pro days, but this situation is believed to be the first time scouts and GMs watched a live feed instead of witnessing things from close range.
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They needed someone to throw to Green, and that was the guy they found to do it. If the above wasn't true, they'd just tell the Montana guy to go home and let NFL personnel throw.
 
From Rotoworld:

San Diego State WR Vincent Brown posted a 4.56 forty time at his Pro Day workout Thursday.

Speed isn't Brown's game, but this time is a major improvement from the 4.70 range he recorded at the Combine. A stellar route runner with good hands, Brown is a mid round prospect.

 
Also:

The "consensus" among NFL people present at the Nevada Pro Day was that Colin Kaepernick will be a second-round pick in April.

NFL.com's Gil Brant reports that Kaepernick was "very impressive" in front of officials from 26 teams, and confirms Kaepernick has established himself as a "high-round draft prospect." Russ Lande of the Sporting News has Kaepernick rated as the No. 2 quarterback in the draft, behind only Blaine Gabbert. We have him teetering between the Seahawks at No. 25 and Bills at No. 34.

 
Rotoworld weighs in on Baldwin. As usual, they slant things to support the position they've already taken. They think that Baldwin is overrated and a problem child. Therefore...

Baldwin ... has had public altercations with the Sporting News' Russ Lande and Chris Steuber of NFL Draft Scout, both for no good reason.
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They may be right about Baldwin, but this is pretty ####ty IMO.
 
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Two different reports on Leonard Hankerson. One from SI.com:

Receiver Leonard Hankerson, who ran a better-than-expected 40 time at the combine, looked good running routes. Hankerson was quick and fluid into breaks and smooth in his movements. He struggled with catching the ball. Hankerson was working with a brand new quarterback brought in for the pro day. Nevertheless, he has moved into the draft's initial 40 selections and has a workout scheduled with the Kansas City Chiefs in the beginning of April.
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According to sources, Hankerson ran sharp and precise routes, while looking very smooth, fluid and athletic in all of his drills. He also caught the ball well throughout the day. With his size (6-1 5/8, 205), he is the front-runner among a group of three receivers battling to be the No. 3 wide receiver drafted after A.J. Green and Julio Jones.
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Who to believe?
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
Also:The "consensus" among NFL people present at the Nevada Pro Day was that Colin Kaepernick will be a second-round pick in April.NFL.com's Gil Brant reports that Kaepernick was "very impressive" in front of officials from 26 teams, and confirms Kaepernick has established himself as a "high-round draft prospect." Russ Lande of the Sporting News has Kaepernick rated as the No. 2 quarterback in the draft, behind only Blaine Gabbert. We have him teetering between the Seahawks at No. 25 and Bills at No. 34.
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Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick worked out well this week. In addition to throwing well, he also showed the elite physical tools that tend to excite NFL teams. Although Cam Newton's rare physical talent has teams willing to overlook the fact he played in a run-option offense at Auburn, Kaepernick is still dealing with questions about having played against a lower level of competition in the WAC while playing in the Wolf Pack's "pistol" offense. He has provided enough answers from the Senior Bowl through his pro day where some team likely will take him early in the second round. Few — if any — quarterbacks in this class have Kaepernick's combination of elite natural skills and great intangibles. There is plenty of buzz about one of the teams drafting in the top 15 trading up to take one of the top quarterbacks in this class, but for many teams coveting such a passer, they have been more diligent in breaking down film of the potential best prospects from the Class of '12. They are simply taking that group — including Stanford's Andrew Luck, USC's Matt Barkley and Arizona's Nick Foles — and seeing how it compares to Newton, Kaepernick and others. This isn't either new or surprising, but it means some teams aren't sold on any of this year's quarterbacks and most are always looking at the big picture in the future to help them make smarter decisions about the present.
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'Steed said:
Two different reports on Leonard Hankerson. One from SI.com:

Receiver Leonard Hankerson, who ran a better-than-expected 40 time at the combine, looked good running routes. Hankerson was quick and fluid into breaks and smooth in his movements. He struggled with catching the ball. Hankerson was working with a brand new quarterback brought in for the pro day. Nevertheless, he has moved into the draft's initial 40 selections and has a workout scheduled with the Kansas City Chiefs in the beginning of April.
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According to sources, Hankerson ran sharp and precise routes, while looking very smooth, fluid and athletic in all of his drills. He also caught the ball well throughout the day. With his size (6-1 5/8, 205), he is the front-runner among a group of three receivers battling to be the No. 3 wide receiver drafted after A.J. Green and Julio Jones.
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I leaning towards the second one, I don't remember anyone questioning his catching abilities or struggles. His workouts are the best I've seen of any WRs in this class.
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Not looking good for Bowers:

Clemson DE Da'Quan Bowers (knee) turned in unofficial forty times of 4.91 and 4.85 at his Pro Day workout Friday.Bowers measured in at 6'3.5", 276 lbs with a 9'-6" broad jump and a 34.5 vertical leap. Onlookers suggested Bowers was still moving at less than full speed. "If he's fully healed, it doesn't look like it," writes the Charlotte Observer's Darin Gantt. Bowers could be in for a free-fall, as he's failed to definitively quiet concerns about his knee.
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer backs up previous reports from SI's Peter King and ESPN's Todd McShay that some teams won't draft Clemson DE Da'Quan Bowers even if he works out well on Friday.Bowers underwent meniscus surgery in January. The teams reportedly believe he also has "more severe problems" in his knee that could resurface down the line. The Plain Dealer suspects the Browns would pass on Bowers if he falls to No. 6 overall because they are "sensitive" to their poor first-round track record. The team is expected to go the safe route instead.
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Conversely, Robert Quinn looked great:

North Carolina DE Robert Quinn "put on a show" at the Tar Heels' Pro Day Thursday.Quinn is an impressive athlete, so it's no surprise that he posted a 33-inch vertical, 10-5 1/2 broad jump, 4.26 seconds in the short shuttle and 24 reps on the bench press. Quinn also improved his forty time from 4.70 to 4.57. He did nothing to hurt his top-12 draft stock. UNC quarterback Tyler Yates, a late-round prospect, completed an amazing 110-of-112 passes at his workout.
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More evidence these draft analysts are either making stuff up on the fly or have no clue what they are seeing:

Bowers looked solid during position drills, displaying good movement skills and flexibility. He showed a good degree of quickness throughout the session and was smooth on his feet. Bowers also looked winded at times, huffing and puffing his way through the workout.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/nfl-draft-pro-days-2011/index.html#ixzz1IK8xwwCN
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Footage begins at 1:20 mark where he clearly looks hobbled.
 
Just read on Twitter that Ras-I Dowling ran a 4.28 today. I can't find a confirmation on his numbers. If you have a link, I'd appreciate a post. TIA

 
Wide receiver Jon Baldwin has been called a first-round prospect by some in the media, but that's just crazy talk.
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Not only making #### up after not seeing him, but it would also seem that Lande's taking stenography from the wrong people.
 
Between the Bowers report of looking "Good" at his pro day yet dropping 50 spots and the Baldwin debacle, I'm beginning to think a majority of these draftniks are hacks.

 
Is there anyone that doesn't run faster at their pro-day than they did at the combine?

So is it home cooking or legit improvement?

 
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