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[tomthumb333]

MikeClay- Can you please comment on what demographic the $1400 package is geared towards? Also, I know you said that it is $50/team (along with a $200 discount) that got you guys to that $1400 number, however, was any analysis done by an outside consulting company, to predict revenue after implementing this new strategy?

I think this thread lives on because of just that unanswered question. I can break down my initial reaction into 3 parts. First resigned acceptance that a useful tool was going subscriber, as I had fully expected .Second after evaluating the cost of $90 and comparing it to this service and another mainstay for me I had already decided at nearly 3times the cost of either of those other known values that I would take a pass. It was only after learning that even at the $90 level your most useful tool (to me anyways) was not included and that it required another staggering sum of $1400 that I became, I guess bewildered is the best word.I am glad that you will be using the logs as a foundation for your articles and maybe that will offset there loss to your subscriber base. The fact still remains that such a jump of free to $1490 is like walking into Burger King and being informed that due to their large employee payroll the burgers are now $100 each.

 

[anakin]

Many NFL teams were using their site to crunch information. A few NFL general managers were making weekly phone calls to gain information. ESPN, CBSportsline, yahoo, etc. were all using PFF statistical findings as partial basis for their analysis. This decision to charge was made to keep the site afloat. The concept of the site was not originally geared toward the fantasy football model. The $50 concept for an individual team was designed for beat writers of a particular team. PFF has proven they have the knowledge and skill to breakdown the statistics. If footballguys writers used their statistics as basis for articles then why shouldn't PFF be compensated for that?

If the PFF statistical analysis was available to everyone at a yearly price of $90, why would an NFL team or television network pay a premium for the information? Mike did not have a say in the prices that are being charged. A site that generates no income has just as limited a shelf life as one that gives it's information for free.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Many NFL teams were using their site to crunch information. A few NFL general managers were making weekly phone calls to gain information. ESPN, CBSportsline, yahoo, etc. were all using PFF statistical findings as partial basis for their analysis. This decision to charge was made to keep the site afloat. The concept of the site was not originally geared toward the fantasy football model. The $50 concept for an individual team was designed for beat writers of a particular team. PFF has proven they have the knowledge and skill to breakdown the statistics. If footballguys writers used their statistics as basis for articles then why shouldn't PFF be compensated for that?

If the PFF statistical analysis was available to everyone at a yearly price of $90, why would an NFL team or television network pay a premium for the information? Mike did not have a say in the prices that are being charged. A site that generates no income has just as limited a shelf life as one that gives it's information for free.

If that's the case, bravo and I take back everything I've said about PFF misreading their audience.I'd be shocked if NFL teams weren't doing more extensive self and advanced scouting (and likely more tailored to their teams) internally than what PFF provides, especially since PFF has no access to coaches tape nor awareness of the play calls. I'm certain that the league keeps its own player participation data for use in rookie salary compensation and distributes it to the teams. I know that members of the media have access to that data.

Each time I used data from PFF, I heavily referenced it -- in print, both here in the forum and behind the subscriber wall, and during our podcasts. I did so after discussing its usage as a promotional tool for PFF with Neil by email two years ago. Although it was a significant aid in some of the newer metrics I played around with in one of my summer columns, it was a minor part of anything else I've written for FBG.

If I'm being fished here, also bravo, and .

 

[tomthumb333]

Many NFL teams were using their site to crunch information. A few NFL general managers were making weekly phone calls to gain information. ESPN, CBSportsline, yahoo, etc. were all using PFF statistical findings as partial basis for their analysis. This decision to charge was made to keep the site afloat. The concept of the site was not originally geared toward the fantasy football model. The $50 concept for an individual team was designed for beat writers of a particular team. PFF has proven they have the knowledge and skill to breakdown the statistics. If footballguys writers used their statistics as basis for articles then why shouldn't PFF be compensated for that? If the PFF statistical analysis was available to everyone at a yearly price of $90, why would an NFL team or television network pay a premium for the information? Mike did not have a say in the prices that are being charged. A site that generates no income has just as limited a shelf life as one that gives it's information for free.

That at least makes some sense, just couldn't see any way that was geared towards fantasy football at least at the higher level. Good Luck!

 

[PFF_MikeClay]

Many NFL teams were using their site to crunch information. A few NFL general managers were making weekly phone calls to gain information. ESPN, CBSportsline, yahoo, etc. were all using PFF statistical findings as partial basis for their analysis. This decision to charge was made to keep the site afloat. The concept of the site was not originally geared toward the fantasy football model. The $50 concept for an individual team was designed for beat writers of a particular team. PFF has proven they have the knowledge and skill to breakdown the statistics. If footballguys writers used their statistics as basis for articles then why shouldn't PFF be compensated for that? If the PFF statistical analysis was available to everyone at a yearly price of $90, why would an NFL team or television network pay a premium for the information? Mike did not have a say in the prices that are being charged. A site that generates no income has just as limited a shelf life as one that gives it's information for free.

That at least makes some sense, just couldn't see any way that was geared towards fantasy football at least at the higher level. Good Luck!

Yes, Andy is right on the money. Neil knows most regular fantasy users won't pay $1400. He's not that crazy. The target is the big companies and, especially, the NFL teams. Remember that PFF is NFL statistics first, fantasy second....whether I like it or not :-/

 

[Jene Bramel]

Good enough.

I've been as guilty as anyone in keeping this discussion going over the past couple of weeks, but I think it's time to close this one down and return our attention back to football. Best of luck to PFF.