Probably the most underrated and underranked WR this year (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

 

[Badgers Fan]

He has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise, but yes he is certainly undervalued. Should produce at wr2 levels. Will have frustrating drops, but also make a couple of ridiculously good plays.

 

[gianmarco]

He has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise, but yes he is certainly undervalued. Should produce at wr2 levels. Will have frustrating drops, but also make a couple of ridiculously good plays.

He had the highest catch % of all WRs for the NYG last year. Including Steve Smith.

 

[Badgers Fan]

He has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise, but yes he is certainly undervalued. Should produce at wr2 levels. Will have frustrating drops, but also make a couple of ridiculously good plays.

He had the highest catch % of all WRs for the NYG last year. Including Steve Smith.

When I say frustrating, I mean I've seen him drop WIDE open passes. He seems to make the difficult catches easier than the easy ones. Balls right in his hands squirt free, but when the degree of difficulty goes up it's like he's larry fitzgerald

 

[MacGruber]

shhhhhhhhh

 

[Joseph]

I'm thinking similarly on Manningham this year. I have him in a Dynasty league as a WR 4, and have been actively shopping WR depth with the thinking that he'll be able to step in and fill that role if need be. I love his potential for this year and wouldn't mind moving another of my "higher value" WRs and bumping Manningham into their starting role while expecting similar production.

 

[gianmarco]

He has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise, but yes he is certainly undervalued. Should produce at wr2 levels. Will have frustrating drops, but also make a couple of ridiculously good plays.

He had the highest catch % of all WRs for the NYG last year. Including Steve Smith.

When I say frustrating, I mean I've seen him drop WIDE open passes. He seems to make the difficult catches easier than the easy ones. Balls right in his hands squirt free, but when the degree of difficulty goes up it's like he's larry fitzgerald

That may be, but he's not even in the top 15 of receivers in just the NFC in dropped passes last year. Both Nicks and Boss were on that list. So it's not as if those drops are any reason to downgrade him whatsoever and the stats last year don't bear it out either. I don't watch every NYG game, but, while I do remember drops being something that was discussed with him in the past, is that an ongoing issue or something that has improved? It seems like it has.

 

[Hoosier16]

A couple of interesting stats were that during the last 7 weeks, when Hagan was playing, Hagan had more targets than Manningham. During the 3 weeks that Nicks and Smith were out, Manningham had only 16 targets while Hagan had 21. I know, small sample size, but does that suggest Manningham struggles when he is the focus of the defense?

 

[Shane Falco]

He has the IQ of a jar of mayonnaise, but yes he is certainly undervalued. Should produce at wr2 levels. Will have frustrating drops, but also make a couple of ridiculously good plays.

sounds like Terrell Owens circa 1998

 

[Late225]

I'm staying away from Manningham because I feel he can be a playoff killer if Steve Smith comes back around the middle of the year and starts. This is becoming less likely, but it's still a legitimate fear of mine.

 

[We Tigers]

I'm staying away from Manningham because I feel he can be a playoff killer if Steve Smith comes back around the middle of the year and starts. This is becoming less likely, but it's still a legitimate fear of mine.

If you really believe that, wouldn't the smart money be on taking him, enjoying his first 8 games, and then flipping him for another playoff producer? You have to get to the playoffs before you can win the playoffs.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm staying away from Manningham because I feel he can be a playoff killer if Steve Smith comes back around the middle of the year and starts. This is becoming less likely, but it's still a legitimate fear of mine.

Giants don't seem to be in a rush to even re-sign Smith, let alone insert him into the starting line-up. Smith is basically useless for this year unfortunately.

 

[Joseph]

I'm staying away from Manningham because I feel he can be a playoff killer if Steve Smith comes back around the middle of the year and starts. This is becoming less likely, but it's still a legitimate fear of mine.

If you draft him at WR 35 (definitely doable at his current rankings) how is that a playoff killer? At that point he'd be the 3rd or 4th WR on your roster. Even if he's giving you WR 2 numbers up to that point, you should (presumably) have two other WR's that are more highly ranked on your team. Losing a WR 3 late in the year isn't fun, but its not a team killer.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Mario and Britt are guys I really hope I can snag. I love both of their upside.

 

[Man In The Box]

I like Mario a lot. Too bad my leagues are chock full of NYG homers. He'll go too early for my liking, most likely.

 

[The Gunslinger]

I think Cruz will eat into his targets more than people think.

Cruz and Manningham will somewhat nullify each other IMO.

Giants run alot of 3 wide and will likely stay in that with Boss gone. Cruz is a gamer! When the lights go on, he starts ballin'

 

[netnalp]

I think Cruz will eat into his targets more than people think.Cruz and Manningham will somewhat nullify each other IMO.Giants run alot of 3 wide and will likely stay in that with Boss gone. Cruz is a gamer! When the lights go on, he starts ballin'

Cruz is dropping a lot of balls in camp so far. I think Devin Thomas was ahead of Cruz till Thomas hurt his finger, Thomas is back practicing today though and been having a spectacular camp.

 

[jurb26]

As someone who's been holding onto Manningham for over 3 years now in a dynasty league, I'm ready for the pay off. The guy is a player and a playmaker. I've been to live games and his quickness and ability to get open are amazing, easily the best on the NYG IMO. He's lacked the consistency you'd like to see out of a starting NFL WR thus far but he is still young and I think most expected him to struggle early on in his career because of slower learning curve. I think he's exceeded expectation thus far in his 1st 2 years and will continue to do so this year. I agree with you, get him now while he's still cheap. I don't think he will be next year.

Edit: Just saw the Smith to Philly thread. Looks like the value play on Manningham may have just expired if this is true.

 

[jurb26]

Done deal.

Manningham will rocket up draft boards...

 

[shortbow]

How could a WR ranked above WR25 be underrated? He clearly isnt top 15, that entire tier WR18-25 are practically the same person.

 

[gianmarco]

How could a WR ranked above WR25 be underrated? He clearly isnt top 15, that entire tier WR18-25 are practically the same person.

 

[RBM]

shhhhhhhhh

 

[gethugefast1]

shhhhhhhhh

 

[Banger]

enjoy the value while it lasted I'm sure he's going to climb the boards now that he's the #2 and Smith is gone.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

Months behind another FF website, with the same stats...

 

[LawFitz]

I like this call, especially with Smith and Hagan gone. I would even pair it with Eli if I was scrumming for QB.

 

[gianmarco]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

Months behind another FF website, with the same stats...

Thanks for your contribution.Maybe months behind POSTING it, but I've been buying Mario since the end of last season. But I appreciate the effort.

 

[shortbow]

How could a WR ranked above WR25 be underrated? He clearly isnt top 15, that entire tier WR18-25 are practically the same person.

No where in any format has him lower than the top 25. Hes certainly not elite, so then we move into the third tier of WRs, 16-25, how is he not appropriately ranked?

 

[Jail]

How could a WR ranked above WR25 be underrated? He clearly isnt top 15, that entire tier WR18-25 are practically the same person.

No where in any format has him lower than the top 25. Hes certainly not elite, so then we move into the third tier of WRs, 16-25, how is he not appropriately ranked?

Bolded from the original post for you:

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

 

[shortbow]

How could a WR ranked above WR25 be underrated? He clearly isnt top 15, that entire tier WR18-25 are practically the same person.

No where in any format has him lower than the top 25. Hes certainly not elite, so then we move into the third tier of WRs, 16-25, how is he not appropriately ranked?

Bolded from the original post for you:

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

Thats odd, im not a subscriber so im not privy to FBG info, but ESPN and Yahoo have him that high, so does every magazine ive read lately.So the question begs itself, what do FBGs see that most of us dont? Or have they just not updated their rankings yet?

 

[gianmarco]

FWIW, his ranking by ADP at MFL is WR30.

Again, too low.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

He was WR27 off the board in my draft held last Friday before the Steve Smith news. I'd have a hard time making a case that he should be, without doubt, taken above any of the receivers taken in the previous round.

 

[gethugefast1]

FWIW, his ranking by ADP at MFL is WR30. Again, too low.

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php?year=2011&teams=12&pos=wr#27 and Climbing.

 

[Late225]

What? Roy Williams? Yes, way more underrated - wr70?

 

[Mark Wimer]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

News of Steve Smith (NYG) to Philly just broke. Manningham definitely gets a big bump on that news. I think the "under-rating" is due to the ambiguous situation between Smith and Manningham. Not ambiguous anymore.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

Months behind another FF website, with the same stats...

Thanks for your contribution.Maybe months behind POSTING it, but I've been buying Mario since the end of last season. But I appreciate the effort.

What's not to understand here?-Another FF website publishes an article that Manningham is a better value than Nicks

-They publish is months ago

-You publish it yesterday

-Using the same statistics

-Yet you puff out your chest???

 

[baconisgood]

There are a couple of big red flags about Manningham.

No redzone production. In 2 years he has 19 targets, 11 receptions and 2 TDs in the RZ- that is a worse TD rate than Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace the past two years.

Potential O-line issues this year (the Giants have let a few guys go) and the loss of a good blocking TE in Boss could mean less time to throw for Eli and fewer big passing plays.

Two of their to 4 receiving options are gone. Good for targets, bad for a guy who relies on big YAC for his production.

He does have talent and upside- but he is by no means a lock to repeat 9 TDs. Big plays are very swingy year to year and it wouldn't be wildly surprising to end up with 900/7 this year.

He also could take a step forward and bust out.

 

[gianmarco]

There are a couple of big red flags about Manningham.No redzone production. In 2 years he has 19 targets, 11 receptions and 2 TDs in the RZ- that is a worse TD rate than Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace the past two years. Potential O-line issues this year (the Giants have let a few guys go) and the loss of a good blocking TE in Boss could mean less time to throw for Eli and fewer big passing plays. Two of their to 4 receiving options are gone. Good for targets, bad for a guy who relies on big YAC for his production. He does have talent and upside- but he is by no means a lock to repeat 9 TDs. Big plays are very swingy year to year and it wouldn't be wildly surprising to end up with 900/7 this year. He also could take a step forward and bust out.

Those are some good points, but I would also mention that he had 5 TDs on less than 50 catches the year before. So it's not like his TD totals are a complete fluke. We may not be able to expect double digit TDs but there's only a handful of guys we can expect that from. I'd be surprised if he didn't get at least 7-8, though, and there's room for more. If he has just 60/1000/7-8, that easily warrants a ranking > WR35. And I think those #'s were a given BEFORE the trade.

 

[DrapedInVelvet]

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

 

[Pipes]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

Months behind another FF website, with the same stats...

Thanks for your contribution.Maybe months behind POSTING it, but I've been buying Mario since the end of last season. But I appreciate the effort.

What's not to understand here?-Another FF website publishes an article that Manningham is a better value than Nicks

-They publish is months ago

-You publish it yesterday

-Using the same statistics

-Yet you puff out your chest???

Hey no pissing in the shark pool. Thanks for posting Gianmarco for those of us that like to come here and not other sites to discuss FFL.Though unfortunately with the Steve Smith signing I fear that Manningham's stock will be rising fast.

 

[gianmarco]

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

Let's assume he gets only an additional 20 targets like I stated above and performs at the same level. He'll finish with 73/1150/11 at that rate. Now, of course he could go down from that but also possible he goes up (esp if he gets even more targets now that Smith is completely out of the picture).That's 254 pts in PPR, good for WR7 last year.That's 181 pts in non-PPR, again, good for WR7 last year.That's the point. It doesn't look right to rank him above guys like Holmes or Harvin or Collie but he probably SHOULD be. He has top 5 upside and is almost a lock for WR20 or better unless the last 2 years are a complete fluke. He was ALREADY a top 20 WR last year and was only a starter for half the year. He is now the clear cut #2 and will be getting more targets. If you think his production is real, he absolutely is undervalued even at WR20.

 

[cvnpoka]

manningham benefits greatly from the giants tendency to feed the wr position. in the last 3 yrs 67% of their targets were to wr which is very high. i think even whoever emerges as their wr3 will have some value.

 

[gianmarco]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

News of Steve Smith (NYG) to Philly just broke. Manningham definitely gets a big bump on that news. I think the "under-rating" is due to the ambiguous situation between Smith and Manningham. Not ambiguous anymore.

He already outperformed the current ranking the last 2 years and was poised to get more work even with Smith still there. The news of Smith gone makes it easy to fix but I posted all this before that news and, based on everything I presented, think he was pretty significantly under ranked even if Smith had resigned in NY.

 

[jurb26]

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

Let's assume he gets only an additional 20 targets like I stated above and performs at the same level. He'll finish with 73/1150/11 at that rate. Now, of course he could go down from that but also possible he goes up (esp if he gets even more targets now that Smith is completely out of the picture).That's 254 pts in PPR, good for WR7 last year.That's 181 pts in non-PPR, again, good for WR7 last year.That's the point. It doesn't look right to rank him above guys like Holmes or Harvin or Collie but he probably SHOULD be. He has top 5 upside and is almost a lock for WR20 or better unless the last 2 years are a complete fluke. He was ALREADY a top 20 WR last year and was only a starter for half the year. He is now the clear cut #2 and will be getting more targets. If you think his production is real, he absolutely is undervalued even at WR20.

Shhhhhhh! It's one thing to give a friendly heads up on the guy, but now you are killing my chances of stealing him as a WR3 in any league!

 

[DrapedInVelvet]

Hmmm. Maybe I am mis-remembering, but didn't he do most of his damage with Nicks out? What do his stats look like playing next to Nicks?

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

Let's assume he gets only an additional 20 targets like I stated above and performs at the same level. He'll finish with 73/1150/11 at that rate. Now, of course he could go down from that but also possible he goes up (esp if he gets even more targets now that Smith is completely out of the picture).That's 254 pts in PPR, good for WR7 last year.That's 181 pts in non-PPR, again, good for WR7 last year.That's the point. It doesn't look right to rank him above guys like Holmes or Harvin or Collie but he probably SHOULD be. He has top 5 upside and is almost a lock for WR20 or better unless the last 2 years are a complete fluke. He was ALREADY a top 20 WR last year and was only a starter for half the year. He is now the clear cut #2 and will be getting more targets. If you think his production is real, he absolutely is undervalued even at WR20.

 

[Shutout]

Hmmm. Maybe I am mis-remembering, but didn't he do most of his damage with Nicks out? What do his stats look like playing next to Nicks?

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

Let's assume he gets only an additional 20 targets like I stated above and performs at the same level. He'll finish with 73/1150/11 at that rate. Now, of course he could go down from that but also possible he goes up (esp if he gets even more targets now that Smith is completely out of the picture).That's 254 pts in PPR, good for WR7 last year.That's 181 pts in non-PPR, again, good for WR7 last year.That's the point. It doesn't look right to rank him above guys like Holmes or Harvin or Collie but he probably SHOULD be. He has top 5 upside and is almost a lock for WR20 or better unless the last 2 years are a complete fluke. He was ALREADY a top 20 WR last year and was only a starter for half the year. He is now the clear cut #2 and will be getting more targets. If you think his production is real, he absolutely is undervalued even at WR20.

Down the stretch last, year, particularly in weeks 14, 15, 1and 16, he played with Nicks and outperformed him FF points-wise in two of the weeks. He really seemed to thrive and come into his own. I'm not sure if he was getting singled constantly but nicks had good games too and still Manningham was eating it up.He was a BIG reason I won one of my leagues this past year with his play in those playoff weeks.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

Months behind another FF website, with the same stats...

Thanks for your contribution.Maybe months behind POSTING it, but I've been buying Mario since the end of last season. But I appreciate the effort.

What's not to understand here?-Another FF website publishes an article that Manningham is a better value than Nicks

-They publish is months ago

-You publish it yesterday

-Using the same statistics

-Yet you puff out your chest???

You are easily one of the top 5 most annoying posters.

I didn't "publish" anything. I'm posting in a thread on a message board. I don't visit any other websites nor did I see any article. I looked at those numbers myself like I've done on many other occasions on many other things I noticed. And I did that analysis LAST YEAR and thus bought Mario in as many leagues as I could. I didn't post anything here until now so that it wouldn't interfere with buying in in leagues where other members visit these forums.

And who is "puffing their chest"? It's a thread like many others here discussing football. His rankings previous to the news yesterday were too low and I was pointing that out as a guy to target for people who cared to read. Coming here to point out that the same numbers I posted (which aren't some type of difficult groundbreaking analysis but simply something most don't care to look at) have been posted elsewhere and ignoring the whole point of his perceived value not being equal to his actual value just shows you as nothing more than a troll.

Have a great day.

Let's stay on topic, guys - and that topic is Mario Manningham's fantasy prospects. We all look at the same year-to-year statistics when we do player analysis. Some weight one year, some three, some do league-wide projections, some go from the gut. TIA MW

 

[abe froman]

Lets say he has moved up to WR # 20 with the news of Steve Smith. To select him there, you are passing on guys like Harvin, Collie, Sidney Rice, and potentially BLLoyd and Santonio Holmes. I'm not sure he's undervalued at all anymmore.

Let's assume he gets only an additional 20 targets like I stated above and performs at the same level. He'll finish with 73/1150/11 at that rate. Now, of course he could go down from that but also possible he goes up (esp if he gets even more targets now that Smith is completely out of the picture).That's 254 pts in PPR, good for WR7 last year.That's 181 pts in non-PPR, again, good for WR7 last year.That's the point. It doesn't look right to rank him above guys like Holmes or Harvin or Collie but he probably SHOULD be. He has top 5 upside and is almost a lock for WR20 or better unless the last 2 years are a complete fluke. He was ALREADY a top 20 WR last year and was only a starter for half the year. He is now the clear cut #2 and will be getting more targets. If you think his production is real, he absolutely is undervalued even at WR20.

Id still have Holmes ahead of him. But Id take Manninghan over the rest. People are already hip to him. Some people are grabbing him as their WR2 so dont wait for him to fall to you as your W3..**remember wen you start analyzing what ifs with Manningham/Nicks last year know that youd also have to add a few games of production to Holmes as well due to missing those initial games for the suspension..

 

[Mark Wimer]

Your 2011 WR steal: Mario Manningham

This guy is flying under the radar and it's pretty surprising to me.

Aggregate staff ranking for redraft: WR35

Aggregate staff ranking for dynasty: WR46 (ranging from 38-57)

He's been in the league 3 years. His finishes the last 2 years:

2009: WR30

2010: WR18

He accomplished both of those as the WR3 on the team (although he did spend some time as a starter last year when Smith and/or Nicks was out).

Some positives:

--S. Smith is coming off surgery and looking to not play until midway thru the season, if that. Manningham comes in as the clear starter

--Kevin Boss is gone. While not a huge target monster, he did score 5 TDs in each of the last 2 seasons. Beckum will be taking his place and is only in his 2nd year in the league. This should leave more for Nicks/Mario

--He's now entering his 4th year in the league and has been clearly trending upwards

--He finished the year last year with games of 8/113/2, 4/132/1, and 4/101/1.

--The NYG have been in the top 10 in passing yards and passing TDs the last 2 yrs

Finally, I posted this in a couple other threads, but is worth noting again:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. I think most view Nicks as a TD monster and I'd bet most would be surprised that Mario is even more effective than Nicks in that department.

Conclusion: If this guy gets just 20 more targets now that he's the starter and keeps up the same type of production, he'd finished with: 73/1150/11

That target total of 112 would have only been 23rd in the NFL last year, the same as Jabar Gaffney.

In his 2nd and 3rd years, he's already finished higher in both years than his current ranking and it would be quite surprising if he didn't equal if not better those numbers now that he's the starter. This guy is criminally undervalued and criminally underranked, IMO.

News of Steve Smith (NYG) to Philly just broke. Manningham definitely gets a big bump on that news. I think the "under-rating" is due to the ambiguous situation between Smith and Manningham. Not ambiguous anymore.

He already outperformed the current ranking the last 2 years and was poised to get more work even with Smith still there. The news of Smith gone makes it easy to fix but I posted all this before that news and, based on everything I presented, think he was pretty significantly under ranked even if Smith had resigned in NY.

I agree that Manningham is a great prospect - especially now that the possibility of Steve Smith returning at mid-season to change the mix at wide receiver is no longer a worry. Manningham's utility during fantasy playoffs was much more cloudy when a return of Smith in say, late October, was a real possibility, in my opinion.But that is all water under the bridge now. I've got Manningham at #27 currently pending observing how the team utilizes Travis Beckum with Boss to Oakland - if Beckum doesn't stake a strong claim to targets in preseason then Manningham probably moves into WR #2 territory for me.

He's definitely got upside from #27 IMO, but the new mix for the Giants as far as target distribution is still clarifying right now. I've got Manningham tiered with Boldin, Rice - other guys whose teams have remade their target roster and are still undergoing "sorting out" during preseason.

 

[Patoons]

He just went WR #24 in my dynasty startup (following the SSmith to Philly), FWIW.

Seems to roughly the right spot for him. I can't see taking him earlier given that he's the #2 option at best in that offense and he still needs to consistently perform over a season.