Public unaware of gun violence rate dropping dramatically (1 Viewer)

[tommyboy]

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Pace of Decline Slows in Past Decade

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades....

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.

link http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

 

[timschochet]

I've read this before, and I think it's an excellent argument against new gun control. It's caused me to change my mind on this issue; I used to support a lot of gun control, and right now the only change I still support is an end to the background check loophole.

But I wish, tommyboy, that you and other conservatives were willing to carry this logic over to the statistics about refugees and illegal immigrants, in which it also applies. On those issues you seem to prefer anecdotes rather than facts, unlike your position here.

 

[[scooter]]

So....partial gun control works??

 

[Dentist]

Safest time to be alive in the history of the world. Auto fatalities down, medical care better than ever, violence down, and thanks to the internet and 24 hour news channels people think the world is worse than ever.

Mind blowing

 

[Juxtatarot]

1993 was a long time ago. Anyways, FBGs know about this. We've read Freakonomics.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Thanks Obama.

 

[McGarnicle]

Watch The Wire people. They're cooking the stats.

 

[GoFishTN]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

There can be a problem regardless of 1993's numbers.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

"Not the worst ever" does not mean "not a problem" nor "can't get better".

If it did, then I guess we can just get rid of seat belts since they were invented after auto fatalities had already decreased by 50% over the annual high which occurred, coincidentally, exactly 22 years earlier just like this gun statistic. They were obviously not needed, right?

 

[bigbottom]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

The same reasoning could be used with respect to those who support open carry, guns on school campuses and the elimination of gun restrictions generally - they think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

There are some other striking statistics about gun violence that can't really be talked about openly. They are verboten unless you want to be labeled in some very unflattering ways.

 

[cubd8]

I've read this before, and I think it's an excellent argument against new gun control. It's caused me to change my mind on this issue; I used to support a lot of gun control, and right now the only change I still support is an end to the background check loophole.

But I wish, tommyboy, that you and other conservatives were willing to carry this logic over to the statistics about refugees and illegal immigrants, in which it also applies. On those issues you seem to prefer anecdotes rather than facts, unlike your position here.

These stats are encouraging, but there should be more done with having stricter background checks, and I'd support no longer selling some of the military style weapons (I realize this point has zero chance of ever passing).

What about mental health reform? What is being done there? I'm not even sure what is being considered other than everyone seems to agree that it's a problem that can be addressed, but never actually is.

Regarding refugees, obviously, 99% (and probably well beyond 99+%) aren't going to be a problem in any criminal way. As long as the screening process is as enhanced as it could possibly be, I think there's ground for compromise.

Regarding illegal's, no rational person is saying to deport the people here. These people should pay a fine, and get in line, but can stay here as non-citizens, with a path to citizenship. There is no solution that involves deporting people, but they shouldn't be rewarded other than being allowed to stay in our country (which is quite a reward). The flow of illegals must be stopped. Once again, rational people win.

Now, if we can just get our President to treat ISIS as a threat, get some entitlement reform, reasonably raise the minimum wage, I'd be pretty ok.

 

[cubd8]

There are some other striking statistics about gun violence that can't really be talked about openly. They are verboten unless you want to be labeled in some very unflattering ways.

If you disagree with a liberal, there are all sorts of labels thrown your way - bigot, racist, etc.

 

[cubd8]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

The same reasoning could be used with respect to those who support open carry, guns on school campuses and the elimination of gun restrictions generally - they think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

With the amount of stupid people, I don't know how I feel about concealed carry being allowed everywhere. Crazy is scary enough.

 

[timschochet]

There are some other striking statistics about gun violence that can't really be talked about openly. They are verboten unless you want to be labeled in some very unflattering ways.

What you're trying to say is that gun violence is statistically much worse among African-Americans than among white people? If those are the facts those are the facts. It only becomes racist if one draws racist conclusions from those facts. I don't think it's racist to point out that many blacks in urban areas are poor, lack parental guidance in significant numbers, join gangs, and see little hope for economic advancement. Naturally given these factions along with historical factors they're going to be more prone to gun violence than other people without those factors.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Erm what has been the incarceration rate during this time period, if I might ask?

Also, any stats on the number of police in America?

 

[spreagle]

This is another example of the amazing power of liberal propaganda to neutralize the truth when it goes against the liberal agenda. All Obama has to say is "enough is enough" now and then for most people to automatically assume gun violence is higher than it ever was.

 

[shader]

Safest time to be alive in the history of the world. Auto fatalities down, medical care better than ever, violence down, and thanks to the internet and 24 hour news channels people think the world is worse than ever.

Mind blowing

I imagine Dentists in Syria and other hell-holes would disagree w you.

 

[ATC1]

I'd like to see this broken down by political affiliation, because it's like team sports now. The Democrats say there is a need for gun control, so people on their team think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

The same reasoning could be used with respect to those who support open carry, guns on school campuses and the elimination of gun restrictions generally - they think there must be a problem that needs to be fixed.

With the amount of stupid people, I don't know how I feel about concealed carry being allowed everywhere. Crazy is scary enough.

If only there was a gun saftey, gun laws and self defense classes/tests available (should be required) to be able to conceal carry.

BTW, what caused this article to surface again? Something happen since the Planned Parenthood shooting?

 

[Juxtatarot]

This is another example of the amazing power of liberal propaganda to neutralize the truth when it goes against the liberal agenda. All Obama has to say is "enough is enough" now and then for most people to automatically assume gun violence is higher than it ever was.

This thread is so odd.

Having the opinion that gun violence is too high is not "liberal propaganda" that "neutralizes the truth".

Honestly, I wouldn't expect the average person on the street to be knowledgeable about the historic frequency of violent crime. There have been many polls that have demonstrated that the average American can be quite ignorant.

 

[Dentist]

Safest time to be alive in the history of the world. Auto fatalities down, medical care better than ever, violence down, and thanks to the internet and 24 hour news channels people think the world is worse than ever.

Mind blowing

I imagine Dentists in Syria and other hell-holes would disagree w you.

I was talking about this country, and most of the first world for that matter.

As for the 3rd world... yeah, it still sucks there.

 

[NCCommish]

The reality is there was a sharp decline from 93 to 2000 and the numbers are stagnant since. Know what happened in those years? Clinton enacted a bunch of gun control laws. Also 93 was a peak year largely due to the inner city crack epidemic. The combination of that ending and the tougher gun laws reversed the trend.

You know what isn't down? Public mass shootings. The rate of public mass shootings has tripled since 2011. Not sure what the OP is trying to say but if its that everything is awesome they need to get out more.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Safest time to be alive in the history of the world. Auto fatalities down, medical care better than ever, violence down, and thanks to the internet and 24 hour news channels people think the world is worse than ever.

Mind blowing

I imagine Dentists in Syria and other hell-holes would disagree w you.

Yeeeeahhhhh....not really the point of what Dentist said.

"Dying from the plague is extremely rare here in America."

"Tell that to the 2 people that have died from the plague since 2013!!!"

 

[Dentist]

You know what isn't down? Public mass shootings. The rate of public mass shootings has tripled since 2011. Not sure what the OP is trying to say but if its that everything is awesome they need to get out more.

You're right, those have increased.... and they are horrible... and I wish there was a way to stop them.

But there just isn't.

Your chances of dying in a public mass shooting are a fraction of a fraction of your risk you take every day of getting in your car (which is also improving all the time).

Public mass shootings are probably on the rise more because of the promotion they get on 24 hour cable news, internet, twitter, etc than they are because of any other good reason.

Granted... posting that probably increased my odds of now dying in a public mass shooting and then someone linking back to this thread.... but I stand by it.

In this country there might be... what.. a hundred or so people that die a year from public mass shooting? compared to 35,000 on the road... or thousands from lung cancer from smoking, or diabetes from obesity..

Spending a ton of resources and time on mass shootings seems penny wise and pound foolish

 

[NCCommish]

You know what isn't down? Public mass shootings. The rate of public mass shootings has tripled since 2011. Not sure what the OP is trying to say but if its that everything is awesome they need to get out more.

You're right, those have increased.... and they are horrible... and I wish there was a way to stop them.

But there just isn't.

Your chances of dying in a public mass shooting are a fraction of a fraction of your risk you take every day of getting in your car (which is also improving all the time).

Public mass shootings are probably on the rise more because of the promotion they get on 24 hour cable news, internet, twitter, etc than they are because of any other good reason.

Granted... posting that probably increased my odds of now dying in a public mass shooting and then someone linking back to this thread.... but I stand by it.

In this country there might be... what.. a hundred or so people that die a year from public mass shooting? compared to 35,000 on the road... or thousands from lung cancer from smoking, or diabetes from obesity..

Spending a ton of resources and time on mass shootings seems penny wise and pound foolish

Except to the families of the dead.