PVS: Post Vaccination Syndrome (2 Viewers)

[MTskibum]

A Hundred of thousand measle deaths per year already.

We need to fight so it does not become worse.

People need to speak out stronger against Anti-vax conspiracies.

 

[Harry Manback]

I think it’s pretty clear you’re an alias but I assume you didn’t start this thread and create the alias, right?

 

[Harry Manback]

TURBO-CANCER

What is the point of this other than to troll the thread?

What specifically bothers you about a ridiculous conspiracy theory being mocked?

And why are you afforded protection against this discomfort if others are equally subjected to harmful misinformation and conspiracy theories?

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

I think calling out the anti-vax stuff as nonsense is of critical importance to try and prevent others from falling down the same rabbit hole of misinformation. This isn't moon landing/earth is flat harmless stuff. This is stuff that has and will lead directly to dead kids.

If we're going to be so careful to take care of everyone's feelings then maybe we should consider squashing some of the harmful conspiracies and misinformation rather than pick and choose who's feelings we care to protect? Maybe.

Am i spreading misinformation and endangering your kids in your opinion? Is this directed at me?

Are you insisting turbo cancer is a thing?

Absolutely not and I've been very clear about that here

Ok, so maybe this isn’t about you?

Ok. Thank you?

This is twice you’ve inserted yourself into a conversation I’m having with someone else and tried to make it about you.

You didn’t start this thread, right? Yet you’ve made it about you. That’s fine, these things happen. But not everything discussed here directly pertains to you or is specifically targeting you.

Relax brother. It's not about me remember?

No, it isn’t. But it’s painfully clear you desperately want it to be.

 

[MTskibum]

One thing that I want to point out is if you search hard enough there are sites out there that look mostly like a real science site where they do talk about turbocancer as a real thing.

Often they even present prestigious schools as sources, sometimes even with links at the bottom that link to fake medical journals


I don't want to link to these sites, but they exist, because this is the internet.

If I wanted to create a couple of websites to say ridiculous things and then spread those websites on social media then i could do that and it wouldn't even be a terrible amount of effort. Probably less than a couple weeks in the evening even including the fake medical journal sites. Edit: I have spent a couple years as a web developer, easy for me, not easy for a random person.


Another thing I could do is use a vpn and create a fake account to spread messages on social media sites. People really need to be aware of stuff like this so they can spot it in real time.

It is really easy to do, maybe if you look real close.


Nah..

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Easy boys.

Lurker, Harry wasn’t talking to you.

Harry, lurker has posted a lot, but has been a good participant. IMHO

 

[MTskibum]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

 

[MTskibum]

The other side has been lieing from the beginning about vaccines.

How disgraced anti-vaxxer Andrew Wakefield was embraced by Trump's America

Twenty years after his discredited paper linked autism to the MMR jab, the doctor – who was struck off the medical register in the UK – has become a leading light in the US and frighteningly influential worldwide

www.theguardian.com

The entire anti-vaxx movement is people who are lieing to your face and it kills people.

 

[Max Power]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

Is anti-vax people who oppose all vaccines?

 

[MTskibum]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

Is anti-vax people who oppose all vaccines?

No.

I mean when someone creates an alias such as The LongTime lurker to spread misinformation. There are no arguments that work against that because they are just making stuff up as they go along.

Any new information is just absorbed into their web of lies.

 

[MTskibum]

From lurking and a combined 0 posts in x years to bombarding a single thread with controversial long posts 128 times in less than 10 days.


Happens all the time, nothing to see here folks.

Where x is whatever lie that was told in the beginning of this thread.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

TURBO-CANCER

What is the point of this other than to troll the thread?

What specifically bothers you about a ridiculous conspiracy theory being mocked?

And why are you afforded protection against this discomfort if others are equally subjected to harmful misinformation and conspiracy theories?

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

I believe strongly that anti -vax conspiracy needs shot down.

This is not trolling.

I believe Vaccine bootlickers need to be shot down but no one cares about your views or my views. Difference is one of us is being a donkey in the thread and the other isn't.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

Is anti-vax people who oppose all vaccines?

No.

I mean when someone creates an alias such as The LongTime lurker to spread misinformation. There are no arguments that work against that because they are just making stuff up as they go along.

Any new information is just absorbed into their web of lies.

To be clear, you're accusing the poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen when he says he's sharing personal information about what happened to him?

 

[LawFitz]

How about all those who don't want to consider that the Covid vaxxes (not all vaxxes) could have been problematic for some people, just leave this thread and never open it again? If it bothers you for the rest of us to consider and discuss the idea so much that you can't help but resort to being rude, just leave.

 

[MTskibum]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

Is anti-vax people who oppose all vaccines?

No.

I mean when someone creates an alias such as The LongTime lurker to spread misinformation. There are no arguments that work against that because they are just making stuff up as they go along.

Any new information is just absorbed into their web of lies.

To be clear, you're accusing the poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen when he says he's sharing personal information about what happened to him?

Yes, I think that is clear.

Not just I have noticed it.

 

[MTskibum]

I believe Vaccine bootlickers need to be shot down but no one cares about your views or my views. Difference is one of us is being a donkey in the thread and the other isn't.

I am not attacking anyone, although I am pointing out a fake poster.

 

[MTskibum]

I think that there are sites out there with fake information such as below.

Turbo Cancers on the Rise: Yale experts

COVID-19 Guides, Resources and Protocols

covid19.onedaymd.com

And how these sites are spread are by fake posters on social media sites.

We need to make educate people on how fake stories are spread.

 

[MTskibum]

I don't know why it is considered rude to post stuff like below in a thread about vaccines.

Misinformation related to vaccines costs real people their lives.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/more-140000-die-measles-cases-surge-worldwide

 

[LawFitz]

I don't know why it is considered rude to post stuff like below in a thread about vaccines.

Misinformation related to vaccines costs real people their lives.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/more-140000-die-measles-cases-surge-worldwide

1. Posting an article isn't rude. The other things you and others post here when intentionally trying to anger those of us on the other side so that the thread gets shuttered by mods - that is rude.

2. This thread is about Covid vaxxes, not measles. That's been expressed and explained to you many many times, yet you continue this intentional conflation in yet another attempt to trigger us. That is rude.

 

[MTskibum]

I don't know why it is considered rude to post stuff like below in a thread about vaccines.

Misinformation related to vaccines costs real people their lives.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/more-140000-die-measles-cases-surge-worldwide

1. Posting an article isn't rude. The other things you and others post here when intentionally trying to anger those of us on the other side so that the thread gets shuttered by mods - that is rude.

2. This thread is about Covid vaxxes, not measles. That's been expressed and explained to you many many times, yet you continue this intentional conflation in yet another attempt to trigger us. That is rude.

I was not trying to anger anyone.

1. Any future posts I make regarding turbocancer will cite original sources and talk about how it came to spread around the internet.

2.Talking about vaccine misinformation, it's past and the effect it's has does relate to any vaccine discussion if that discussion may also contain misinformation. We need to see how the past mistakes continue to harm people.

To be honest. I wanted this thread closed down. I reported this thread right after it was posted and I have only ever reported maybe 1-2 other threads, if that in 17 years.

However, now that we are seeing how misinformation happens in real time i think it is important it stays open.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Its more that it adds nothing to the conversation.

The reason I have to do that is because the anti-vaxx side is not arguing in good faith.

They use fake accounts with fake symptoms. How are you supposed to argue with a fake person who is just lieing on the internet.

Is anti-vax people who oppose all vaccines?

No.

I mean when someone creates an alias such as The LongTime lurker to spread misinformation. There are no arguments that work against that because they are just making stuff up as they go along.

Any new information is just absorbed into their web of lies.

To be clear, you're accusing the poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen when he says he's sharing personal information about what happened to him?

Yes, I think that is clear.

Not just I have noticed it.

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

 

[MTskibum]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

 

[MTskibum]

It is very important to question vaccines and all medical advancements.

Below is the most famous example of a vaccine gone wrong and why scientists were so afraid of trying to make another RSV vaccine for decades.

Edit: fixed link: https://medicine.tulane.edu/news/tu...l-mystery-behind-toddlers’-deaths-rsv-vaccine


Polio vaccine can cause issue as well

Update on Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus Outbreaks ...

This report describes cases of vaccine-derived polioviruses in 39 countries during January 2023–June 2024.

www.cdc.gov

Although, this would not be a problem if it weren't for vaccine misinformation campaigns. We were so close to getting it eliminated.

Pakistan’s polio eradication program faces immense challenges, including misinformation on social media that resulted in an increased number of new polio cases in 2019, when viral misleading videos were shared online. In recent years, misinformation has played a critical role in shifting the public’s attitude on polio vaccination acceptance in Pakistan.

Polio vaccine misinformation on social media: turning point in the fight against polio eradication in Pakistan - PMC

Pakistan’s polio eradication program faces immense challenges, including misinformation on social media that resulted in an increased number of new polio cases in 2019, when viral misleading videos were shared online. In recent years, misinformation ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[MTskibum]

You want to know why I am so worked up about this thread is because I lost.

I don't get covid vaccines because of what I read on social media. I know all the statistics in the world how I would be better off with the vaccine, but I don't get it because I spend too much time on social media.


The anti-vax crowd has already won and that is what frustrates me. I have allowed myself to be convinced by people on the internet with no formal training when every double blind study says otherwise.

I know how good vaccines are and I lost. Not only that I am a hypocrite, preaching vaccines when even I can't convince myself.

I can't even convince myself to get something that I know will statistical more likely keep me alive.

This is why I strongly hate vaccine misinformation, I know the tactics they use and even then I fall victim to it. Misinformation can convince otherwise rational people to do irrational things.

 

[LawFitz]

I was not trying to anger anyone

Yes, you were.

To be honest. I wanted this thread closed down.

Yup.

 

[dkp993]

Question for you regarding your heart rate issues. As I can speak to them a little bit from personal experience. What did they do for you in the hospital for the arrhythmia?

I went to the ER for irregular heart beat. Suddenly shot up over 160. I was given a protein in the ER that stops the heart briefly in an attempt to correct the arrhythmia. It didn’t work. HR continued motoring along above 160 for hours. Charge nurse tells me if it doesn’t normalize they are going to have to shock me to stop the heart again in the hopes of correcting the rhythm. So I’m sitting there meditating, breathing, talking to my heart. Nothing is working. Zero symptoms other than arrhythmia. You know what did work? Taking a dump. . I had the joy of taking a dump in the little chair with 2 orderlies and a nurse watching me. HR went up over 200. But then started to normalize. I was put on a diltiazem IV drip and a 24 hour hold. Diagnosed in the hospital by the attending cardiologist with atrial flutter. I wasn’t released from the hospital until my HR was normal for quite some time, 50-60 bpm.

Subsequently had every heart test known to man. All came back clean. Saw 3 cardiologists. All recommended the same thing. Cardiac ablation. Had the ablation(scary). Atrial flutter solved. And to the topic of the thread, my dad died of a heart attack at 51. So I don’t attribute this to the covid vaccine. And neither did any of my drs. I was 52 at the time.

You may have skimmed over the heart issues in your story, since it’s not about your heart, but I was curious since the initial drs seemed dismissive of it. Thanks for any answer.

So…. About 6 months ago (at 49) I was climbing into bed at 11:30 at night Everything as normal as it ever is and I felt thump in my chest. After the thump, my heart was off to the races and similar to you no matter what I did I couldn’t get to calm down. I laid there all night, trying to get my rate down, but nothing happened so when I got up in the morning, I put my iwatch on to check my rate and I was bouncing between 150 and 170. went to the ER and had a very similar experience to what you describe above, minus the dump () and the diagnosis. My diagnosis was AFib. Ironically, I was put on the same drip as you, had a similar experience and I was there for about 24 hours and not released until my rate stabilized and they were satisfied.

Ironically, my general physician who has been my doctor since I was 17 had just ordered a complete work up of my heart earlier that year for my yearly physical. As I have heart disease in my family he went the full 9 yards, EKGs, calcium scores, artery scans, etc etc. Awesomely my heart came back, in the words of my doctor, looking like a 30-year-old. Couldn’t have asked for better. Just a few months later here I am laid up in the ER. Anyways went to a very highly recommended heart specialist to talk about my AFib. Won’t bore you with the details but bottom line, it was either a fluke thing or it was gonna become a problem. He left me with the greeting of hope not to see you again for 15 years.

Well on Wednesday while getting ready for work, I felt the thumb in my chest and my heart was off to the races again. The ironic thing is in the days leading up to that I was here in this thread talking about what it happened 6 months prior. In my meeting with the cardiologist a few months ago, he said that if it starts to happen with frequency, I will likely need to get an ablation as AFib is the number one cause of strokes in human beings. Would love to chat with you off-line about your ablation experience if you’re open to it.

As I said upstream a few days ago. I’m not attributing this to the vaccine and subsequent boosters I got, it’s likely just bad luck. Though I will say when I got the vaccine and boosters I would’ve laughed at the implication that they cause any real issues. But now I can’t rule out that this could be a by product of it. And that sucks.

 

[fatness]

I believe Vaccine bootlickers need to be shot down

Please do better than this. We don't want the thread locked due to derogatory insults to other points of view.

 

[fatness]

How about all those who don't want to consider that the Covid vaxxes (not all vaxxes) could have been problematic for some people, just leave this thread and never open it again?

Wait. You want a fantasy football site with a social forum to allow topics where only one point of view is allowed?
I don't think that'll fly here. It would basically wreck what these forums are about --- discussion of various information and opinion on various matters.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Question for you regarding your heart rate issues. As I can speak to them a little bit from personal experience. What did they do for you in the hospital for the arrhythmia?

I went to the ER for irregular heart beat. Suddenly shot up over 160. I was given a protein in the ER that stops the heart briefly in an attempt to correct the arrhythmia. It didn’t work. HR continued motoring along above 160 for hours. Charge nurse tells me if it doesn’t normalize they are going to have to shock me to stop the heart again in the hopes of correcting the rhythm. So I’m sitting there meditating, breathing, talking to my heart. Nothing is working. Zero symptoms other than arrhythmia. You know what did work? Taking a dump. . I had the joy of taking a dump in the little chair with 2 orderlies and a nurse watching me. HR went up over 200. But then started to normalize. I was put on a diltiazem IV drip and a 24 hour hold. Diagnosed in the hospital by the attending cardiologist with atrial flutter. I wasn’t released from the hospital until my HR was normal for quite some time, 50-60 bpm.

Subsequently had every heart test known to man. All came back clean. Saw 3 cardiologists. All recommended the same thing. Cardiac ablation. Had the ablation(scary). Atrial flutter solved. And to the topic of the thread, my dad died of a heart attack at 51. So I don’t attribute this to the covid vaccine. And neither did any of my drs. I was 52 at the time.

You may have skimmed over the heart issues in your story, since it’s not about your heart, but I was curious since the initial drs seemed dismissive of it. Thanks for any answer.

So…. About 6 months ago (at 49) I was climbing into bed at 11:30 at night Everything as normal as it ever is and I felt thump in my chest. After the thump, my heart was off to the races and similar to you no matter what I did I couldn’t get to calm down. I laid there all night, trying to get my rate down, but nothing happened so when I got up in the morning, I put my iwatch on to check my rate and I was bouncing between 150 and 170. went to the ER and had a very similar experience to what you describe above, minus the dump () and the diagnosis. My diagnosis was AFib. Ironically, I was put on the same drip as you, had a similar experience and I was there for about 24 hours and not released until my rate stabilized and they were satisfied.

Ironically, my general physician who has been my doctor since I was 17 had just ordered a complete work up of my heart earlier that year for my yearly physical. As I have heart disease in my family he went the full 9 yards, EKGs, calcium scores, artery scans, etc etc. Awesomely my heart came back, in the words of my doctor, looking like a 30-year-old. Couldn’t have asked for better. Just a few months later here I am laid up in the ER. Anyways went to a very highly recommended heart specialist to talk about my AFib. Won’t bore you with the details but bottom line, it was either a fluke thing or it was gonna become a problem. He left me with the greeting of hope not to see you again for 15 years.

Well on Wednesday while getting ready for work, I felt the thumb in my chest and my heart was off to the races again. The ironic thing is in the days leading up to that I was here in this thread talking about what it happened 6 months prior. In my meeting with the cardiologist a few months ago, he said that if it starts to happen with frequency, I will likely need to get an ablation as AFib is the number one cause of strokes in human beings. Would love to chat with you off-line about your ablation experience if you’re open to it.

As I said upstream a few days ago. I’m not attributing this to the vaccine and subsequent boosters I got, it’s likely just bad luck. Though I will say when I got the vaccine and boosters I would’ve laughed at the implication that they cause any real issues. But now I can’t rule out that this could be a by product of it. And that sucks.

Happy to talk about it with you. You’re in SoCal right? I had mine done at hoag. I can get you my drs name if you like. Really good Dr. and I’d get a second opinion. Sounds identical to mine, which is atrial flutter. I went to 3 cardiologists before deciding what to do.

Personally I don’t buy that covid or the vaccines had anything to do with my issues. Like you, family history. Genetics play a bigger role than most people acknowledge.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Question for you regarding your heart rate issues. As I can speak to them a little bit from personal experience. What did they do for you in the hospital for the arrhythmia?

I went to the ER for irregular heart beat. Suddenly shot up over 160. I was given a protein in the ER that stops the heart briefly in an attempt to correct the arrhythmia. It didn’t work. HR continued motoring along above 160 for hours. Charge nurse tells me if it doesn’t normalize they are going to have to shock me to stop the heart again in the hopes of correcting the rhythm. So I’m sitting there meditating, breathing, talking to my heart. Nothing is working. Zero symptoms other than arrhythmia. You know what did work? Taking a dump. . I had the joy of taking a dump in the little chair with 2 orderlies and a nurse watching me. HR went up over 200. But then started to normalize. I was put on a diltiazem IV drip and a 24 hour hold. Diagnosed in the hospital by the attending cardiologist with atrial flutter. I wasn’t released from the hospital until my HR was normal for quite some time, 50-60 bpm.

Subsequently had every heart test known to man. All came back clean. Saw 3 cardiologists. All recommended the same thing. Cardiac ablation. Had the ablation(scary). Atrial flutter solved. And to the topic of the thread, my dad died of a heart attack at 51. So I don’t attribute this to the covid vaccine. And neither did any of my drs. I was 52 at the time.

You may have skimmed over the heart issues in your story, since it’s not about your heart, but I was curious since the initial drs seemed dismissive of it. Thanks for any answer.

So…. About 6 months ago (at 49) I was climbing into bed at 11:30 at night Everything as normal as it ever is and I felt thump in my chest. After the thump, my heart was off to the races and similar to you no matter what I did I couldn’t get to calm down. I laid there all night, trying to get my rate down, but nothing happened so when I got up in the morning, I put my iwatch on to check my rate and I was bouncing between 150 and 170. went to the ER and had a very similar experience to what you describe above, minus the dump () and the diagnosis. My diagnosis was AFib. Ironically, I was put on the same drip as you, had a similar experience and I was there for about 24 hours and not released until my rate stabilized and they were satisfied.

Ironically, my general physician who has been my doctor since I was 17 had just ordered a complete work up of my heart earlier that year for my yearly physical. As I have heart disease in my family he went the full 9 yards, EKGs, calcium scores, artery scans, etc etc. Awesomely my heart came back, in the words of my doctor, looking like a 30-year-old. Couldn’t have asked for better. Just a few months later here I am laid up in the ER. Anyways went to a very highly recommended heart specialist to talk about my AFib. Won’t bore you with the details but bottom line, it was either a fluke thing or it was gonna become a problem. He left me with the greeting of hope not to see you again for 15 years.

Well on Wednesday while getting ready for work, I felt the thumb in my chest and my heart was off to the races again. The ironic thing is in the days leading up to that I was here in this thread talking about what it happened 6 months prior. In my meeting with the cardiologist a few months ago, he said that if it starts to happen with frequency, I will likely need to get an ablation as AFib is the number one cause of strokes in human beings. Would love to chat with you off-line about your ablation experience if you’re open to it.

As I said upstream a few days ago. I’m not attributing this to the vaccine and subsequent boosters I got, it’s likely just bad luck. Though I will say when I got the vaccine and boosters I would’ve laughed at the implication that they cause any real issues. But now I can’t rule out that this could be a by product of it. And that sucks.

Thank you for sharing. And I hear you on the not attributing it to the vaccine. But also not laughing it off. That's how I feel about the blood clot I had.

 

[MTskibum]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

Generally people do not lurk for 20 years on a website as they said they do in their initial post and then transition immediately to posting many long detailed posts.

The type of personality that would drive someone to lurk for 20 years is also not the same type of personality that will let someone dominate a thread.

What they say and their actions paint a very contrast picture.

 

[MTskibum]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

2nd point.

There have been many previous vaccine and covid discussions over the years. There have been many other occasions for a 20 year lurker to pop in and say something that they were obviously very passionate about.

I find it hard to believe they ignored all the other threads over the years where they could have spoke up.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

Generally people do not lurk for 20 years on a website as they said they do in their initial post and then transition immediately to posting many long detailed posts.

The type of personality that would drive someone to lurk for 20 years is also not the same type of personality that will let someone dominate a thread.

What they say and their actions paint a very contrast picture.

Aliases can sometimes be annoying and we don't encourage them.

But they are also pretty common. Over the years, posters have used aliases, especially when discussing something very personal. I can understand that.

I would hope we can have a forum where we can discuss in good faith and people are not accused of being liars and fabricating stories because their account doesn't have enough posts.

I think discussing things that have actually happened to people can be helpful.

 

[MTskibum]

Aliases can sometimes be annoying and we don't encourage them.

But they are also pretty common. Over the years, posters have used aliases, especially when discussing something very personal. I can understand that.

I would hope we can have a forum where we can discuss in good faith and people are not accused of being liars and fabricating stories because their account doesn't have enough posts.

I think discussing things that have actually happened to people can be helpful.

I agree, I think discussing real experiences is important. You can discuss stuff with a much wider audience here on the forums that we would be able to in just a local community.

Plus discussion some medical conditions is easier on the internet.

It is important we protect that.

 

[MTskibum]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

3rd Point posting style.

Typically when describing events that have happened a few years ago the adjectives are less descriptive This poster is describing stuff like it happened yesterday.

Typically events such as "eating breakfast" are not included when talking about something years in the past.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And exactly what is it that makes you confident enough to accuse a poster of lying and fabricating a story that didn't happen?

It is a serious accusation, but it has happened before and will happen again.

Fake alias on forums, reddit, X, facebook, are nothing new.

Agreed that it's a very serious accusation. The foundation of the forum is we grant other posters the assumption of good faith and that they're not lying or fabricating stories.

But the fact that aliases exist on the internet or our forum is no reason to accuse a forum member here of something as serious as lying and fabricating posts.

What exactly is your reason for making such a serious accusation?

3rd Point posting style.

Typically when describing events that have happened a few years ago the adjectives are less descriptive This poster is describing stuff like it happened yesterday.

Typically events such as "eating breakfast" are not included when talking about something years in the past.

We'll disagree there.

I thought it was valuable to have a person posting actual experience.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This will be my last post here. I can't defend myself against the accusations. I'm not an alias, I'm not a bot, a troll or whatever. I mean I've actually been accused of forging pubmed articles for God's sake.

I brought the receipts for everything I've said and was as open an honest as i could be. I'm not providing my ssn, driver's license, and home address. I have my reasons for posting in this thread and i repeated them over and over.

Part of recovery was journaling so i used that to retell my story. Not only that, but i was chastised more than a few times for not using precise language, so dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

Skibum, i think you're a few credits short on your psychology degree, but you win and I'm gone.

If nothing else everyone here has seen what it's like for people like me to tell their story

Thanks for sharing.

I'd encourage you to continue posting.

But for sure, it's disappointing the forum isn't open to real discussion of what people say are actual events. Maybe I'm naive and you're not a real poster or you're totally lying and fabricating your experience. We don't have a lie detector test for the forum. If that's the case, I'm sorry you were treated this way here.

I know some people prefer to shut down any type of sharing of experience that doesn't fit in the worldview. And it often makes us weaker and more in a bubble because of it.

I hope we can do better in the future.

 

[Scoresman]

Is the accusation that the OP created an alias and fabricated the story? If so, this should be easily verifiable by Joe or the admins who can see IP/locations, etc right? Aliases have been shut down in the past. I assume they know who is an alias oh who.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Is the accusation that the OP created an alias and fabricated the story? If so, this should be easily verifiable by Joe or the admins who can see IP/locations, etc right? Aliases have been shut down in the past. I assume they know who is an alias oh who.

We've often had posters who create an alias for something personal. I don't have a problem with that.

Unfortunately, this thread is a perfect example of why a known poster would not want to use their regular name in sharing a negative personal experience that might be related to the covid vaccine.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Attributing the onset of genetically probable health issues, at the age when they would normally start to appear, to the Covid vaccine, just seems like an attempt to fit a narrative that people want to believe. To be clear, this is my opinion. Everyone else is welcome to theirs.

My cardiac issues happened dead smack in the middle of Covid. The inner webs were rampant with theories. Some specific to cardiac issues. So you bet I asked my Drs about the possible connection. Every one of them said there was no correlation. ER doc. Young hot shot cardiologist in the hospital. Old cardiologist that been in practice for 30 years. Dartmouth/harvard educated cardiologist who ended up being my Dr and did my ablation. And I’ve asked him about it recently as well. They all said nope, no correlation. Afib and flutter are caused by small scarring of the heart tissue(simplified). Some are more genetically prone to it. And lifestyle is a huge factor as well. Personally, I am satisfied that the Covid vaccine had nothing to do with my condition.

 

[Joe Bryant]

My cardiac issues happened dead smack in the middle of Covid. The inner webs were rampant with theories. Some specific to cardiac issues. So you bet I asked my Drs about the possible connection. Every one of them said there was no correlation. ER doc. Young hot shot cardiologist in the hospital. Old cardiologist that been in practice for 30 years. Dartmouth/harvard educated cardiologist who ended up being my Dr and did my ablation. And I’ve asked him about it recently as well. They all said nope, no correlation. Afib and flutter are caused by small scarring of the heart tissue(simplified). Some are more genetically prone to it. And lifestyle is a huge factor as well. Personally, I am satisfied that the Covid vaccine had nothing to do with my condition.

Thanks for sharing. I think real world experience like this is helpful and useful.

 

[MTskibum]

I know some people prefer to shut down any type of sharing of experience that doesn't fit in the worldview.

I think you misunderstand my worldview.

I am more than happy to discuss issues related to covid vaccines, like the below link. Even what I know about you and what I have read, if i was in your situation i would probably have strong suspicions that the vaccine caused the issues. Especially with all of the other heart related news associated with mRNA.

However, I have very real concerns that the people that I would be discussing those issues with are using tactics that I cannot match.

I don't get the covid vaccine because of all the news I have read, and I think i know the truth, but even then I am not sure. I have doubts.

The impact of COVID-19 status and vaccine type following the first dose on acute heart disease: A nationwide retrospective cohort study in South Korea - PubMed

Recent studies have suggested an increased incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA vaccination or COVID-19. However, the potential interaction effect between vaccine type and COVID-19 on heart disease risk remains uncertain. Our study aimed to examine the impact of COVID-19...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think you misunderstand my worldview.

I am more than happy to discuss issues related to covid vaccines, like the below link. Even what I know about you and what I have read, if i was in your situation i would probably have strong doubts that the vaccine caused the issues. Especially with all of the other heart related news associated with mRNA.

However, I have very real concerns that the people that I would be discussing those issues with are using tactics that I cannot match.

I'm not sure anyone is using "tactics that you cannot match". I understood the poster to be sharing actual experience. You're accusing them of lying and fabricating their story.

Anyone can "match" that.

That's where we don't agree.

And I care as I'd rather not have a forum that shuts down actual civil discussion and sharing of actual experience.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I believe Vaccine bootlickers need to be shot down

Please do better than this. We don't want the thread locked due to derogatory insults to other points of view.

Just responding to all the "anti-vaxxers" nonsense that are just using that term to push their own views.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I believe Vaccine bootlickers need to be shot down

Please do better than this. We don't want the thread locked due to derogatory insults to other points of view.

Just responding to all the "anti-vaxxers" nonsense that are just using that term to push their own views.

Yes, neither of those terms are very helpful when used to smear the other side. Certainly not all people in support of vaccines are "bootlickers". And certainly not all people who had a negative experience with vaccines are "anti-vaxxers". Like most things, we do better if we have discussion and not jump to labels.

 

[MTskibum]

I think you misunderstand my worldview.

I am more than happy to discuss issues related to covid vaccines, like the below link. Even what I know about you and what I have read, if i was in your situation i would probably have strong doubts that the vaccine caused the issues. Especially with all of the other heart related news associated with mRNA.

However, I have very real concerns that the people that I would be discussing those issues with are using tactics that I cannot match.

I'm not sure anyone is using "tactics that you cannot match". I understood the poster to be sharing actual experience. You're accusing them of lying and fabricating their story.

Anyone can "match" that.

That's where we don't agree.

And I care as I'd rather not have a forum that shuts down actual civil discussion and sharing of actual experience.

But the posting style does not match a new poster and they never said they were an alias who was posting under a different account.

If they had said that upfront I would have had a different reaction. It would be more believable that a prolific poster here would want to create an alias to protect their main account, but that is not what is said.

If we believe any new account that signs up at their word without them putting in years worth of posts to gain that social capital then anyone could do that to push any agenda.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

How about all those who don't want to consider that the Covid vaxxes (not all vaxxes) could have been problematic for some people, just leave this thread and never open it again? If it bothers you for the rest of us to consider and discuss the idea so much that you can't help but resort to being rude, just leave.

Is there a single person on this board that is saying "there is absolutely no way that the vaccine hurt anyone"?

Joe doesn't like people putting words in other posters mouths.

And there isn't a single vaccine in the history of vaccines that wasn't problematic for SOMEONE.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Fwiw I enjoyed the convo with lurker

 

[eighsse2]

Joe doesn't like people putting words in other posters mouths.

Speaking of lurkers, I've only been lurking in this thread, but I just thought this line was really funny. It's a legitimate thing to say because we know Joe feels that way, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you said. It just has a very funny sound, in a vacuum, haha.

 

[jhib]

Fwiw I enjoyed the convo with lurker

I enjoyed reading it. I thought he got strangely defensive when you started talking some details (I never thought there was any "chastising" going on, for example) but I could easily chalk that up to maybe his having his guard up from other experiences communicating with people about it all.