QB Dak Prescott, DAL (1 Viewer)

[Terpman22]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

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This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

 

[Ray_T]

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

I don't think it was ever whether Dak would get paid. It was whether the Cowboys would pay him. How much more expensive can it get? Let him play it out, and if he wins the Super Bowl, pay him his bag. If not, you still face the same decisions you do now.

 

[travdogg]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

 

[Terpman22]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

I don't think it was ever whether Dak would get paid. It was whether the Cowboys would pay him. How much more expensive can it get? Let him play it out, and if he wins the Super Bowl, pay him his bag. If not, you still face the same decisions you do now.

Its also about "how much to pay him and when" I keep seeing the same "Well if they pay Dak X amount, then they can't afford other guys" as if 1. Dallas even tries to sign big name FA's and 2. The sooner you pay him, the smaller the size of the contract. For instance had they stepped up *this* offseason and got a deal done, you are paying him < $55M per year, bc he is on your team and you are the only one negotiating with him and well, in this scenario Lawrence and others have not signed their extension yet. But now, if you wait until after this season, you have to beat out Lawrence's numbers and *also* beat out other teams' offers.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

 

[Terpman22]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

I'm with ya here. When you look at his total #s its like "Wow, the team let him down" or some sort of excuse so lets look at the games

First playoff Game: vs Green Bay: 302 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, but the INT was a back breaker and probably the difference in the game. Probably his most impressive performance. 1 seed, poof!
2019 vs Seattle: 226 1/1, a meh performance but they won
2019 vs Rams, same season: 266 1/0 L, but its hard to blame him when they let the Rams run for 275+ yards against the defense
2022 vs SF: 254 1/1, just didn't look great all game IMO
2023 vs TB: 305, 4/0 + a rushing TD. His best playoff game by far. But it was against a 8-9 team, Brady's last career game
2023 vs SF, the next week: 206, 1/2. Just an awful performance, his 2 INTs were absolute back breakers
2024 vs GB, 403 3/2, but most stats were in garbage time, after the Cowboys were down 27-0 in the first half and GB let off. Didn't connect with CeeDee lamb a single time in the first half

So in summary, 7 playoff game, the 3 games where he actually passed for multiple TDs were against GB, lost the 1 seed, against an 8 win team in TB and then against the 7 seed after he basically gave the game away on 2 first half terrible INTs.

Dak supporters will usually not parse the stats out like this, its usually "He's got 14 TDs in 7 games, the team let him down"

Now, the other side is, this guy does win, he gets you to the playoffs often. Its time to pay him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. As a rival fan, I'd love to see him leave b/c I DO believe he is an above average QB and I do NOT believe the Jones and Co. are capable or willing to find a replacement fast enough before the talent dries up on this current roster and those players like CD/Micah move on after their next contract after prospective years of being 5/6/7 win teams with Trey/WHO at QB should they move on from Dak.

I do get both sides, but my take is if you got a guy that is top 10/12 you MUST keep him.

 

[travdogg]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. Its a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. Its not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

I don't think it was ever whether Dak would get paid. It was whether the Cowboys would pay him. How much more expensive can it get? Let him play it out, and if he wins the Super Bowl, pay him his bag. If not, you still face the same decisions you do now.

Its also about "how much to pay him and when" I keep seeing the same "Well if they pay Dak X amount, then they can't afford other guys" as if 1. Dallas even tries to sign big name FA's and 2. The sooner you pay him, the smaller the size of the contract. For instance had they stepped up *this* offseason and got a deal done, you are paying him < $55M per year, bc he is on your team and you are the only one negotiating with him and well, in this scenario Lawrence and others have not signed their extension yet. But now, if you wait until after this season, you have to beat out Lawrence's numbers and *also* beat out other teams' offers.

I'm not sure this would have made a big difference in the big scheme of things. I think he was always going to be in the 60-mill ballpark. I think they want to leave the option open, and you have to pay later for that privilege or go another direction, but the Cowboys want that other direction option, and Dak is not giving any hometown discounts. At this point, just let it play out and see.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

 

[Ray_T]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

I think the difference is these guys elevated their game when it counted the most. Something Dak doesnt seem to be able to do.

I'd take any one of these guys in their prime ahead of Dak. (ok except Dilfer he won because they had what might have been the best defense of that generation)

 

[travdogg]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

 

[Acrobat7]

From the outside looking in: wins are not a QB stat. I don’t follow Dallas and haven’t played FF in three years. I was always under the impression that Dak is a top 10 NFL QB. As you guys pointed out, be will (deservedly, I might add) get paid. Let the Cowboys decide, if it is them. They were very lucky in regards to their last QBs. Let them show us, if it was more than luck but also scouting.

 

[Terpman22]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

I'd just say Stafford is definitely better than Dak. He has a ring, he will finish with 60k passing yards and 400 TDs. Only like I think 7 QBs all time have passed for 40+ TDs in a season twice, and its all HOF guys like Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc.

But I do agree Dallas will miss him if they let him leave. I'm beating a dead horse here, but they are just SO lucky to go UDFA to 4th round pick over 20 years and its worked out at the position where a lot of teams like the Bears and Lions and WASTEAM have struck out over and over on top 10/20 picks at the position.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

Stafford is easily better. Not really close.
Eli is also easily better- 2 rings and an epic clutch performer- the antithesis of Dak- who gets worse as the spotlight gets brighter. Again, not close. Big Ben also much better, not even debatable. All three will be in the HOF, Dak’s best way there is to buy a ticket like the rest of us. Again, he doesn’t even have a conference title game appearance- not once in 8 or 9 years has the team advanced to the NFL’s final four.

Dak is better than Rypien, Johnson, and Hostetler overall- but a worse playoff performer than all of them.

It's not like the Cowboys have had bad teams without surrounding talent these past several years. The roster is littered with pro bowl caliber players. Again, all the loses are not on him, either. The defense was atrocious last year v. GB and the coaching, whether it was Garrett or McCarthy has been poor.

Dak is likely a top 10-12 overall QB but not worth what somebody (hopefully not the Cowboys) will pay him. On balance, he’s overrated, good- yes, great- absolutely not.

 

[Ray_T]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

Stafford is easily better. Not really close.
Eli is also easily better- 2 rings and an epic clutch performer- the antithesis of Dak- who gets worse as the spotlight gets brighter. Again, not close. Big Ben also much better, not even debatable. All three will be in the HOF, Dak’s best way there is to buy a ticket like the rest of us. Again, he doesn’t even have a conference title game appearance- not once in 8 or 9 years has the team advanced to the NFL’s final four.

Dak is better than Rypien, Johnson, and Hostetler overall- but a worse playoff performer than all of them.

It's not like the Cowboys have had bad teams without surrounding talent these past several years. The roster is littered with pro bowl caliber players. Again, all the loses are not on him, either. The defense was atrocious last year v. GB and the coaching, whether it was Garrett or McCarthy has been poor.

Dak is likely a top 10-12 overall QB but not worth what somebody (hopefully not the Cowboys) will pay him. On balance, he’s overrated, good- yes, great- absolutely not.

you hit the nail on the head. this describes how I feel about Dak almost to the letter.
Like I said, hes fine. good enough to get the team into the playoffs year in and year out. but not good enough to win a superbowl.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Right or wrong, I can't see Old Jerry moving on from Dak. That would require somewhat of a rebuild with an unknown at QB, he may not like that idea.

 

[Terpman22]

Right or wrong, I can't see Old Jerry moving on from Dak. That would require somewhat of a rebuild with an unknown at QB, he may not like that idea.

I dunno. Part of me agrees b/c Jerry is 80 or whatever and wants to "win now"

Part of me realizes he's a cheap SOB and for whatever reason, as salaries skyrocket, is still trying to sell the Star as a marketing tool to help players get endorsement money in an effort of offset what he pays in salary

Another part of me thinks he really doesn't care about winning at all, just as long as the Cowboys are talked about and not forgotten

This article is pretty damning considering there is not a sports team in the world worth more, yet the team is DEAD LAST in money spent, so does he really care about winning?

Cowboys decade-long track record of under-investing in team suggests that Jones family is not in it to win it

The Cowboys have one of the lowest cash spends of all teams in the league over the last decade.

www.bloggingtheboys.com

 

[travdogg]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

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This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

 

[General Malaise]

If Dak doesn't win in the post-season, he'll be gone. The Jets are already rumored to be his next landing spot.

The Tre Lance era begins as early as 2025.

 

[travdogg]

If Dak doesn't win in the post-season, he'll be gone. The Jets are already rumored to be his next landing spot.

The Tre Lance era begins as early as 2025.

If Dak leaves after this year, I'd be really surprised if Trey Lance gets the starting job. I think Lance would need a Dak injury this season, and to play well himself in Dak's absence to have a shot. Right now, Lance's qualifications are zero. They traded a day 3 pick for him, so its not like they invested so much that they have to give him a shot.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

Eli, while inconsistent, was great when it mattered most.

Dak, while consistent, was mediocre to bad when it mattered most.

I’ll take Eli and his two rings over Dak and his zero title game appearances any day of the week.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

It's easy to see why Boys fans have a burr in their saddle over Dak. I was spoiled for a long time so not like sympathy is warranted but QB wasteland is not a fun hang.

 

[General Malaise]

If Dak doesn't win in the post-season, he'll be gone. The Jets are already rumored to be his next landing spot.

The Tre Lance era begins as early as 2025.

If Dak leaves after this year, I'd be really surprised if Trey Lance gets the starting job. I think Lance would need a Dak injury this season, and to play well himself in Dak's absence to have a shot. Right now, Lance's qualifications are zero. They traded a day 3 pick for him, so its not like they invested so much that they have to give him a shot.

4th round picks aren't "nothing". Dak was a 4th rounder that Dallas didn't even want. They wanted Paxton Lynch, lol.

Time will tell. I think Lance got a raw deal in SFO but that same brain trust that's been to 2 SBs in 5 years thought enough of Lance overpay for him.

Dallas can't and shouldn't try to afford Dak. Unless he wins in the playoffs, he needs to go play for a hapless franchise like the Jets.

 

[travdogg]

If Dak doesn't win in the post-season, he'll be gone. The Jets are already rumored to be his next landing spot.

The Tre Lance era begins as early as 2025.

If Dak leaves after this year, I'd be really surprised if Trey Lance gets the starting job. I think Lance would need a Dak injury this season, and to play well himself in Dak's absence to have a shot. Right now, Lance's qualifications are zero. They traded a day 3 pick for him, so its not like they invested so much that they have to give him a shot.

4th round picks aren't "nothing". Dak was a 4th rounder that Dallas didn't even want. They wanted Paxton Lynch, lol.

Time will tell. I think Lance got a raw deal in SFO but that same brain trust that's been to 2 SBs in 5 years thought enough of Lance overpay for him.

Dallas can't and shouldn't try to afford Dak. Unless he wins in the playoffs, he needs to go play for a hapless franchise like the Jets.

4th round picks are usually nothing. Especially when it comes to QBs. Look at the QBs who have gone in the 4th round in recent years:

Jake Haener
Stetson Bennett
Aidan O'Connell
Bailey Zappe
Ian Book
Jacob Eason
James Morgan (who?)
Ryan Finley
Jarret Stidham
Kyle Lauletta
Josh Dobbs

That's every 4th round QB taken since Dak. A 4th round investment is an investment in a backup. A potential backup really. O'Connell has probably shown the most of that bunch and his team immediately signed a guy to compete/take the starting job. That's probably Lance's best-case scenario is he's in the O'Connell boat where he is competing with a vet.

 

[General Malaise]

It's easy to see why Boys fans have a burr in their saddle over Dak. I was spoiled for a long time so not like sympathy is warranted but QB wasteland is not a fun hang.

You have to win in the playoffs for Cowboys' fans to embrace you. Romo is liked, he is far from beloved. Aikman had terrible stats as a passer compared to Romo and Dak. But he won when it mattered. Legacies in Dallas are built on winning. This isn't Carolina.

No, QB wasteland sucks but when has Dallas drafted a QB in the 1st to be THE GUY? They backed into Dak, got lucky with Romo and tried to ham and egg their way with crap picks at QB and free agency between Aikman and now.

You know what's a horrible hang? Watching your high priced QB vomit up games in the post season year after year. Enough.

 

[General Malaise]

If Dak doesn't win in the post-season, he'll be gone. The Jets are already rumored to be his next landing spot.

The Tre Lance era begins as early as 2025.

If Dak leaves after this year, I'd be really surprised if Trey Lance gets the starting job. I think Lance would need a Dak injury this season, and to play well himself in Dak's absence to have a shot. Right now, Lance's qualifications are zero. They traded a day 3 pick for him, so its not like they invested so much that they have to give him a shot.

4th round picks aren't "nothing". Dak was a 4th rounder that Dallas didn't even want. They wanted Paxton Lynch, lol.

Time will tell. I think Lance got a raw deal in SFO but that same brain trust that's been to 2 SBs in 5 years thought enough of Lance overpay for him.

Dallas can't and shouldn't try to afford Dak. Unless he wins in the playoffs, he needs to go play for a hapless franchise like the Jets.

4th round picks are usually nothing. Especially when it comes to QBs. Look at the QBs who have gone in the 4th round in recent years:

Jake Haener
Stetson Bennett
Aidan O'Connell
Bailey Zappe
Ian Book
Jacob Eason
James Morgan (who?)
Ryan Finley
Jarret Stidham
Kyle Lauletta
Josh Dobbs

That's every 4th round QB taken since Dak. A 4th round investment is an investment in a backup. A potential backup really. O'Connell has probably shown the most of that bunch and his team immediately signed a guy to compete/take the starting job. That's probably Lance's best-case scenario is he's in the O'Connell boat where he is competing with a vet.

Chris Carter
Charles Haley
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
Andre Reed
Darren Sproles
Steve Largent

4th round picks matter in the NFL.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I don't want to hear about QB wasteland. Try being a Bengal fan before Burrow or a Browns fan since Kosar. The wasteland can get deep. Dak is not in that wasteland, and it only takes one good run......But you have to get into the playoffs to have that run. Trey Lance? Really? Have a plan for Jerry. He wants one more shot at a title before the reaper takes him. I don't think he is resting that chance on Lance. It's Dak or someone proven if you are moving on. I'm not slamming on Lance either, but you had better be sure if you have Lance running the show in 2025. I think the Raiders could be in play if Dak hits the market. I have not looked into the cap space and whatnot, but I can see the Raiders making a move.

 

[Faust]

Judge drops sexual assault suit against Cowboys' Dak Prescott

 

[Gally]

Chris Carter
Charles Haley
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
Andre Reed
Darren Sproles
Steve Largent

4th round picks matter in the NFL.

You can hand pick like that for every round in the NFL. I mean getting drafted means you have something special regardless of when you get drafted. But by and large you are getting extremely lucky to find the kind of player you handpicked regardless of the round you are talking about.

 

[General Malaise]

Chris Carter
Charles Haley
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
Andre Reed
Darren Sproles
Steve Largent

4th round picks matter in the NFL.

You can hand pick like that for every round in the NFL. I mean getting drafted means you have something special regardless of when you get drafted. But by and large you are getting extremely lucky to find the kind of player you handpicked regardless of the round you are talking about.

I was told 'fourth round picks are usually nothing'.

I don't think that's entirely true. I think 4th round picks have value in the NFL.

 

[travdogg]

Chris Carter
Charles Haley
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
Andre Reed
Darren Sproles
Steve Largent

4th round picks matter in the NFL.

You can hand pick like that for every round in the NFL. I mean getting drafted means you have something special regardless of when you get drafted. But by and large you are getting extremely lucky to find the kind of player you handpicked regardless of the round you are talking about.

I was told 'fourth round picks are usually nothing'.

I don't think that's entirely true. I think 4th round picks have value in the NFL.

I said 4th round picks are USUALLY nothing. A 7-person list covering almost 30 years doesn't change that. Hell, 3 of those guys (Largent, Carter, Sproles) made moderate to no impact for the teams that drafted them, and only broke out on their 2nd team.

For fun let's take a look at the best players to come out of round 4 from 2010-2020, a time frame long enough to get a fair handle on a player's career.

2010: Geno Atkins, Everson Griffin, and that's about it. Maybe Aaron Hernandez would have been had he not been a crazy person?
2011: KJ Wright
2012: Kirk Cousins, Ben Jones
2013: David Bakhtiari
2014: DaQuan Jones? Devonta Freeman maybe, though I'm not sure if he was good, or just in an elite offense.
2015: Za'Darius Smith, Shaq Mason
2016: Dak Prescott, De'Vondre Campbell
2017: Eddie Jackson? Samson Ebukam?
2018: Taron Johnson is probably the best guy so far.
2019: Maxx Crosby...and Tony Pollard?
2020: L'Jarius Snead

My point overall was that just because Dallas traded a 4th round pick for Trey Lance, doesn't mean they have any incentive to make Trey Lance work, or to ever see if he can be the guy. A 4th round pick is a cheap flier. Looking at recent history, actually has made that point even more clear to me. For every Maxx Crosby or Dak Prescott, there are 20+ nobodies, and a couple useable but not that important guys. The 4th round has a hit rate (of a high-end or difference making player) of maybe 10%.

Ironically, the 5th round has actually been better than the 4th round in most of these drafts. Which I think goes to underscore how random day 3 picks in general are.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

While I agree that the Giants defense did the heavy lifting in the 2007 playoff run, Eli's part in the Tyree cannot be overlooked. Yes, Tyree made an impressive catch, but Eli was the one who escaped the pocket on a play that is a sack 99% of the time and then still made the perfect throw to Tyree. That moment is just as much Eli's as it is Tyree's.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

While I agree that the Giants defense did the heavy lifting in the 2007 playoff run, Eli's part in the Tyree cannot be overlooked. Yes, Tyree made an impressive catch, but Eli was the one who escaped the pocket on a play that is a sack 99% of the time and then still made the perfect throw to Tyree. That moment is just as much Eli's as it is Tyree's.

I think most people see that play as more luck than skill. Takes both to win, just suggesting why people discount it.

I like Eli the person far more than the player so sometimes I give him more credit than I would some other guys. He was pretty awful most of the time.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

While I agree that the Giants defense did the heavy lifting in the 2007 playoff run, Eli's part in the Tyree cannot be overlooked. Yes, Tyree made an impressive catch, but Eli was the one who escaped the pocket on a play that is a sack 99% of the time and then still made the perfect throw to Tyree. That moment is just as much Eli's as it is Tyree's.

I think most people see that play as more luck than skill. Takes both to win, just suggesting why people discount it.

I like Eli the person far more than the player so sometimes I give him more credit than I would some other guys. He was pretty awful most of the time.

I would agree that Eli was very scattershot and played poorly over many stretches of time. He was epic, though, during the Giants two Super Bowl runs, including beating us in Dallas when we were the #1 overall NFC seed.

My point was that Dak has been good to very good for much of his career, and that most certainly, the Cowboys could be much worse off, however, when you commit 60 million or so for several years and eat about a quarter of your cap on one player that has an irrefutably sub-par playoff performance record, and the sample size is large: 2-5 over an 8 year career, I’m not sure that, over the long haul, helps the Cowboys get any closer to a ring.

 

[Ack88]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“Prescott has the best chance of being the first $60M quarterback…if you couldn’t win with him at $40M how are you going to win with him at $60M?

@Jason_OTC explains why Dak is going to get paid:

x.com

x.com

This guy literally said everything I said in 28 seconds that I've been banging on in the Cowboys thread. Dak is GOING to get paid, just a matter of which team pays him.

For the record, I'm obviously rooting for Dallas to send him packing. They got lucky going from UDFA franchise QB to passing the torch to a 4th round guy that also became a franchise QB. Everything between the end of Aikman until Tony Romo was my favorite days as an Eagles fan hating on the Cowboys.

Yep. Look at what Kirk Cousins got. Dak is younger, better, and presumably not gonna be coming off a torn Achilles.

Dak has been underappreciated his entire career, and Dallas seems to have forgotten what its like to need a QB. Romo into Dak has covered just under 20 years. The Quincy Carter doldrums are a lot more likely than finding another guy, especially without a high pick, as Dallas is extremely likely to be a playoff team again this season.

The strangest thing I've seen is the Cowboys fans who seem to earnestly want Trey Lance to get a year. They might be longing for the days of Quincy Carter.

Dak is a guy who made his living beating up on the bad teams in the conference. up until about 3 years ago, Philly, the Giants, and Washington all had bottom 5 defenses (or close to it) and he played each team twice.

I ran the Strength of schedule and Dak had what might have been the easiest schedule for a passer in the NFL during that time. I cant fault him for that but what I can fault him for is when he plays good teams he (for the most part) doesnt get the job done. as a QB he is slightly better than average. nothing more. hes not worth 50 M. maybe Dallas could trade him straight up for one of the first round QB's this year. That would be the best case scenario. but I guess he will get them to the playoffs and thats good enough.

he wont win any championships though

I disagree with almost all of this, but I want to ask:

If the NFC East all had bottom 5 defenses until 3 years ago, and Dak was only successful beating up bad defenses, then why was 2023 his best season? Why was 2021 his 2nd best?

I get that the guy has a couple bad playoff games (and some very good ones that people ignore) but the idea he just beats bad teams is very untrue.

He has not been good in the playoffs- period. People use his stats to whitewash terrible turnovers and poor clock management. The last three years, in particular have been terrible: he gave the game away in the first half last year, lost to the Niners as a home favorite, and has not managed the clock well.

He’s certainly a good quarterback overall but not a championship one. He’s helped make the Cowboys good, but they are not winning a title with him under center- period.

It’s not like a two or three year sample size, it’s either 7 or 8 years. He is what he is- a good QB without even a title game appearance on his resume.

He didn't give the game away last year, They were never winning that game, regardless of how Dak played. The defense couldn't stop anything GB did. Love had the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history. The only reason GB didn't put up 60 points is they took their foot off the gas. I'll give you the 49ers game, but I don't see that as blackmark against Dak and only Dak. I'd put more blame on McCarthy, and the 49ers made MVP Aaron Rodgers look just as bad. Its really only Mahomes who has had their number. If the barometer for a big QB contract is playing well against the 49ers D, then 28 teams should have QBs on rookie deals.

I think the idea that a team can't win a title with Dak is ludicrous. A lot worse QBs than Dak have won titles, and a lot of QBs better than Dak hadn't won one by this point of their careers. Dak had his best season last year, he's in his prime, why should we assume he's done all his gonna do?

I do like Dallas letting it play out this year and re-assessing next offseason. I think teams are a little too quick to jump the gun on extensions sometimes (looking directly at you Jacksonville) personally, I think teams should play hardball a little more with money, and not just pay guys because other teams paid theirs. Just because another team makes a bad decision doesn't mean you should too.

I do think Dak is a better QB than Lawrence, Goff, Hurts, or Cousins, just name a few who recently signed deals, but he's not Lamar or healthy Burrow.

Should Dak be the highest paid QB in the NFL? No, he shouldn't. Will Dallas be a better team if they let him walk and spend that money elsewhere? No, probably not. Will his replacement EVER be as good as Dak is now? No, probably not. It’s a tough call, but the way Dallas is built, they are contenders now. They won't be without Dak. It’s not a fluke the year he missed most of the season they won 6 games, and have won 12 every year since.

Which QBs worse than Dak have won titles?
Dilfer, Flacco, Foles, that’s about it.

He hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl, Cowboys not even close during his tenure. Zero title game appearances.

Sorry, he’s a good regular season and fantasy qb, and a lousy playoff QB. As Bill Parcells said- you are what your record is: 2 and 5 in the playoffs is the arbiter of this.

That Parcells quote is about team, not QB. Dallas hasn't been good enough, Dak's the biggest reason they've been in the playoffs in the 1st place.

QBs worse than Dak who have won Super Bowls:

Obviously all the ones you named.
Matthew Stafford and Dak are basically the same guy up until 2021. Maybe Dak needs to go to a better team like Stafford did?
2015 Manning was much worse.
I'd argue Eli was worse, but had a much better supporting cast, specifically at HC. Especially 2007 Eli.
Roethlisberger's debatable, certainly the 2005 version anyway, but again worse HC and lesser defense.
Dak's better than Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien, who had maybe the best supporting cast in NFL history.
Jeff Hostetler

Yes, I'm going back to 1990, because Brady and Mahomes won half the Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Brees were all better. All of those guys are future HOFers, Wilson is the only one who isn't a 100% lock.

Dak is a VASTLY underrated QB, and Dallas will miss him a ton if he leaves. He's easily a top-10 NFL QB.

If my memory serves, NY Giant fans were done with Eli Manning in 2007. The offense was sputtering, he was a turnover machine. Then the team almost beat NE the last week of the season and he went on a run and the rest is history.

Eli was a below average QB for most of his career. His rookie year was worse than Bryce Young's was. His 2006 was awful. 2007 was mediocre other than NE. He was solid from 2009-2012, but that's pretty much it. Eli tore up in the 2011 playoffs (I'll never knock that, especially his Super Bowl performance) but I'd argue Dak>Eli as an overall player. I'd also argue NY won in 2007 more despite Eli than because of him. The defense carried him. Giants went 2-6 in games the defense allowed over 20 points. That never came up in the playoffs. Also, if David Tyree doesn't make maybe the most impressive catch in NFL history, the Patriots go undefeated, and Eli is viewed extremely differently. Hell, I wonder if he's still even on the Giants in 2011.

While I agree that the Giants defense did the heavy lifting in the 2007 playoff run, Eli's part in the Tyree cannot be overlooked. Yes, Tyree made an impressive catch, but Eli was the one who escaped the pocket on a play that is a sack 99% of the time and then still made the perfect throw to Tyree. That moment is just as much Eli's as it is Tyree's.

Additionally, Eli didn’t just do it once, but twice. You could write off one run as a fluke, but when you do it twice, it’s proof positive that you are a true clutch performer, something Dak is most certainly not. Eli will or will be in the HOF. Absent a title, Dak will not.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys QB Dak Prescott dealing with minor foot sprain, not expected to affect preparation for 2024 season

 

[Faust]

With a contract extension looming, Dak Prescott's playoff woes are at the forefront

 

[massraider]

Jerry Jones appears to hint Cowboys don’t expect to sign Dak Prescott to extension before season

Dak Prescott said last week that his agent and the Cowboys are having “good conversations” about a contract extension. Owner Jerry Jones, though, hinted this week that the Cowboys don’t expect to come to an agreement with the quarterback before the season starts Sept. 8.

“Well again, we’re just continuing to talk,” Jones said, via Nick Harris of the team website. “The thing is . . . since we’re really in-season, practicing, doing all those things, we’re operating under the existing contract really good. One of the things that the fans should really understand is that nine times out of 10, these are existing contracts that you have in place. You should be able to operate under those, but we’ve gotten it now in the NFL – other teams are dealing with it — with some time on the contract, you still might have a contract discussion. And that’s what we’re doing. None of us – player or team – want to hurt the preparation or likelihood of playing at your best.”

Jerry Jones fan-splaining is just awesome. Uh, yeah, Jerry, we know he's not a free agent. Thanks, tho.

Also:

He is entering the final year of his four-year, $140 million contract, scheduled to count $55 million against the salary cap. The Cowboys will take on $40 million in dead cap in 2025 if he’s not on the roster.

Whoa. Before anyone asks, there's no spreading that out, June 1 does not apply here. that's 40 mill off the cap next year.

 

[Banger]

Brilliant negotiations/contracts by Jones/Cowboys. What a joke

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Brilliant negotiations/contracts by Jones/Cowboys. What a joke

I mean Dak did say he would play for free. Dak got top dollar and produced next to nothing. He should take a pay cut.

They can draft guys all day long to throw picks and operate three-and-out offense.

 

[Faust]

Jerry Jones: Prescott contract talks unchanged after Lamb deal

Dak: 'Says a lot' if deal is not done by season start

 

[General Malaise]

Win a playoff game and then ask for the money. His legacy at present time is undeserving of a new deal. If he can't look in the mirror and admit he is the reason his team had early playoff exits then he's just not living in reality.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys WR Brandin Cooks: Amount of criticism cast on Dak Prescott 'blasphemy'

 

[Faust]

Dak Prescott does not see Cowboys opener as deadline for deal

 

[VikingFrog]

Everybody focused on Tyreek, while Dak is over here becoming the highest paid player in NFL history.

 

[The Frankman]

HOLY CRAP

 

[Wingnut]

$60 mil/year, $321 mil GTD, $80mil signing bonus.

What a crazy world we live in.

 

[zed2283]

If I'm the owners, for the next CBA I negotiate a limit of 10% of salary cap for any 1 player.

Should be a slam dunk. You'd only have 32 of 1696 players opposed.