oldmanhawkins
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QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (3 Viewers)
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I think there is a reasonable argument Jalen Hurts is better than any QB the Giants have had in their team history, and I don't think Jalen Hurts is currently a top-5 NFL QB, though he's firmly in the 6-10 range.
ETA: Technically, the best QB the Giants ever had was Fran Tarkenton, but I don't think he's really considered a Giants QB, much the same way Tom Brady isn't considered a Bucs QB.
ETA: Technically, the best QB the Giants ever had was Fran Tarkenton, but I don't think he's really considered a Giants QB, much the same way Tom Brady isn't considered a Bucs QB.
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need2know
Footballguy
He's got that Jordan, Saban, Brady mentality. I love it.My favorite thing about these last 3 years is how people literally will tell me my favorite team is one of the best teams in NFL History *strictly/only* to somehow dig at Jalen Hurts, who ya know *STILL* was the Super Bowl MVP and all. And you really can't make a case for a single offensive player that should be Super Bowl MVP other than him. That to me is the best and funniest part.
And then ya know also, when you break down the roster with a rival team, other than O-Line (and remember, greatest team of all time) not a single player on the entire team is listed by any rival as a top 5 player at his position. There are a lot of hater paradoxes when it comes to my Eagles, usually the most popular team on this boardIts Funny and obvious and entertaining and....Sad!
Anyway back to Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts
I love how focused he and the team are right now. His answers are very Tom Brady'esque - nothing before today matters. Just a true leader through and through. I think he's still pissed off and its going to be a great year for him passing the ball especially.
you either have it or you dont. amazing how many great athletes dont and end up accomplishing very little
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I'd agree with this. I think he certainly can get in the top 5 if he learns to throw the ball into the endzone instead of needing assistance getting over the goal line like he has been getting.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Fantasy wise this year, QB5 floor, QB1 upside. One of the safest picks all around. You know he's already on one of the greatest offensive lines and offenses of all time (other people's words) and you already know they are going to give him ^A LOT^ of those goal line opportunities. Passing regression doesn't seem to be a real concern, so its just a matter of how much improvement/numbers you can expect to grow overall.
Fun player to own in dynasty
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
People seriously think he’s out of the top 5? I mean…wow this is like serious HDS—Hurts Derangement Syndrome.
Whatever…for 48 long and often miserable years I had to hear, “How many rings ya got!?”
And now that’s all Hurts has to say. “How many rings you got?”
Whatever…for 48 long and often miserable years I had to hear, “How many rings ya got!?”
And now that’s all Hurts has to say. “How many rings you got?”
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I am not seeing any haters. A few or more jealous folks, sure......but, no real haters.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
You obv need to learn about some of the winners posting in here
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nah, no need, they're like family. Anyway, I prefer jealousy over hatred any day, all day. That is what those type of posts are truly expressing anyway. Jealousy.
rockaction
Footballguy
Man, he was headed for such a night and the brick wall happened to both teams.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
It's always so frustrating playing against Hurts. Does nothing as a passer but his broken play rushes save his fantasy day again.
need2know
Footballguy
Dude is amazing.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
He is the perfect QB for a team that plays from ahead, which the Eagles often are. You would not want him under center if you were down multiple scores. He is fantasy gold because of his rushing TDs that never seem to end. Anything he gets through the air is a bonus.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Did you guys not see the dime that he dropped into Dotson’s lap while under pressure? When he needs to make the tough throws, he usually does successfully. On the other hand, although I thought Dak played a good game, that throw at the end to Lamb was a little off. You just rarely see that type of mistake from Hurts in clutch moments. Eagles fans are lucky that they have Brady/Mahomes 2.0/3.0.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Didn't he set some sort of record in 2023 for most comebacks in a season down 10+ points??
You should be used to this, if you've had Hurts before. He basically plays one half of ff every week, whether it's the first or second half.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not dynasty, man. Redraft. I've never had him. Kind of a bummer to hear that.
Well it's not all bad. You still get big weeks from him every week. They just come in one half. Otherwise he'd have ~50% more ff points than the next closest QB.
need2know
Footballguy
He also sits alot of 4th qtrs cause the eagles are usually up by 2 scores
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
He is fantasy gold, and a set and forget player. One would think there would be a regression to the mean with the rushing TDs. but they never stop coming. I would shocked if the Eagles were not inside the 5 yard line more than any other team in the history of the NFL. It seems like they are always inside the 5, and more than not, inside the 1. It is truly remarkable.
Terpman22
Footballguy
People that don’t watch all Eagles games don’t get this part. Thank you. They just see “Tush Push TD!” when it happens and if a person doesn’t like the Tush Push - they act like it’s magic the Eagles get to the goalline so much or I guess, surmise that Saquon is getting caught at the 5 all the time (bc no way Jalen Hurts could pass his way down to the goalline).
And the coaches/team DGAF about stats and they know running the ball inside the 5/10 yard line is a much much safer approach then throwing it.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Saquon himself, went down on the 1 yard line, 11 times in 2024. A wild stat. And 11 of those times, Hurts tush pushed it in. He had 3 rushing TDs over 1 yard.
2 legit ones last night.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That weather delay killed the whole game
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t think the Eagles D is anywhere near as good this season. They won’t be able to just run the ball 20 times in the second half.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Went from 0 stops/0 punts to 0 points.
Was one of the weirdest opening games to an NFL season that I can remember
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Two things you can rely on in fantasy football every year: Jalen Hurts and Derrick Henry.
need2know
Footballguy
Name another qb in the last 5 years who wins more games.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Wins aren't a QB stat, they're a team stat.
That said, Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson. And they've all had less help doing it.
That said, Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson. And they've all had less help doing it.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Don't you think losing Jalen Carter before the first offensive play had an impact? The guy requires double teams on a consistent basis. He collapses the pocket which prevents the QB from moving up to avoid edge rushers. His absence caused Fangio to bring an extra guy who would normally be in coverage to get pressure and the Dallas blocking scheme totally change when he got ejected. His importance to the Eagles defense is equivalent to the importance of a QB on offense. Maybe you are correct that the Eagles D isn't anywhere near as good this season, but to make that statement after last nights game is a bit premature.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah Carter was a big factor but they also lost Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Darius Slay. I don’t think their additions were as good. We already saw Adoree play poorly at starting CB. Plus there is just normal statistical regression that happens year to year. They allowed 11% less yards per game than the next team. That is very unlikely to repeat. There is a lot of variance each year in defensive quality. They aren’t likely to have as good of injury luck as they did in 2024. Plus their strength of schedule is 4th toughest this year. I’m not saying their defense will be bad but it’s extremely unlikely to be nearly as dominant.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I think (fear) this is true. I’m just hoping they’re nearer than further. A drop down, but still top 10 would be great. A drop into the top 15 makes it unlikely they make the NFCC because of their schedule, but there’s a chance.
Last night they looked to be outside the top 20. They will not look that bad all season.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup none of this is due to Jalen. Not a chance he makes the players around him better.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You cannot be serious. Mahomes inherited a team with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce still early in their primes!! And had a pro bowl RB at the time (K Hunt) to boot.
AJ Brown and Saquan Barkley both become far more productive once they started playing with Hurts. That is not a coincidence.
Barkley's improvement has a lot to do with actually having an offensive line. I would say that has more to do with him being more productive than Hurts
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And some Reid guy as HC….
need2know
Footballguy
He wins. What else can be said
rockaction
Footballguy
Tell it to a true believer rather than a guy that rosters him because he stunk this week. It's not just fantasy. i don't think Philly wins a title playing this way. At all. I don't think Philly wins the Divisional Round playing this way.
It's terrible football and not just aesthetically. I think everyone is snowed because the Chiefs and Eagles have had a few Super Bowl match-ups in the past three years, but these teams look like warmed-over, two-day-old crap.
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