QB Jalen Hurts, PHI (2 Viewers)

[LTsharks]

Steve Spagnuolo has been a defensive coordinator for 25 playoff games in his storied career.

Based on EPA per pass play AND dropback success rate, Jalen Hurts' performance in the Super Bowl was the best ever for a QB in a playoff game against Spags.

I just don’t understand anymore. He is his absolute best in the most important games. And his best is great. What other metric is supposed to matter?

 

[sm8680]

Evan on Unsportsmanlike with Evan, Canty, and Michelle. Brought up since Jalen Hurts' freshman year at Alabama, he will have worked with 12 different offensive coordinators.

 

[renesauz]

Evan on Unsportsmanlike with Evan, Canty, and Michelle. Brought up since Jalen Hurts' freshman year at Alabama, he will have worked with 12 different offensive coordinators.

this is an absurd number. He's had a different OC literally every year.
I honestly believe the NFL should consider stricter rules that encourage coordinators to spend at least 2 and preferably 3 years at a job. Make their contracts matter

 

[pinkstapler]

His solid SB play has me thinking I might could sell high on AJB in a dynasty league where I could afford to move off of him. He wasn’t generating much interest last time I put him on the block, but the postseason run may have elevated his value in the eyes of some in the league. Most of the feedback I received was “love AJB, don’t love his QB”.

It’s TE-P and I’m constantly running out scraps at the position. Wonder if I could get a decent young-ish TE for him.

I'm more down on him because Barkley, not Hurts. Hurts threw something like 100 less passes this season. It's definitely because now they have one of, if not thee, best backfield weapon in the game. And a great o-line to block for him to boot. Now Barkley probably only has 2 high level seasons left would be my guess, but we've said that about RBs before and they kept on trucking; so it might not be worth the risk to wait it out. Either way, AJB will be on at least a few analyst "sell lists" this off season would be my guess.

In TEP, I'd imagine you can move him for anyone that's not Bowers or McBride straight up or maybe with a small plus to an owner who doesn't want to really move his TE. KTC still has him as WR14 and 32 overall, so consensus is still pretty darn high on him. I think most savvy owners recognize the positional advantage Bowers and McBride give, especially in TEP, and those guys are most likely 'untradable' save a godfather offer. I've already heard a few podcasts the past few weeks where people say they wouldn't move either of them for 1.01 in this rookie class (so pretty much Jeanty). I'd have Jeanty over AJB and imagine the community would too.

 

[massraider]

Really enjoying the online investigation into why the QB from the Super Bowl-winning team received the MVP award, with no obvious alternative.

Hopefully PFT and the rest of the mouth-breathers can get to bottom of this mystery.

 

[Deamon]

Really enjoying the online investigation into why the QB from the Super Bowl-winning team received the MVP award, with no obvious alternative.

Hopefully PFT and the rest of the mouth-breathers can get to bottom of this mystery.

It's absurd. Certain people will do anything to not give praise to this guy. Through all the years of the debate here, I always thought "one day he will win the super bowl and win mvp and I wonder if those posters will show some humility to at least consider that they might have been wrong about him. Sadly not.

 

[need2know]

he just outplayed mahomes AGAIN and won mvp. what more do you people want

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Jalen Hurts has as many playoff wins (6) as the rest of the 2020 draft class combined (6).

Hurts was the 5th QB taken in that class.

 

[Qammy]

Jalen Hurts is horrendous ... one of the top 5 worst QBs in the NFL period!

Take away his running ... and he is hands down the worst

Still Stands ... Insert any QB in the NFL in that lineup and expect the same or better results
The Defense and the Oline were hands down the MVPs of this game

while I would agree the D and the O line were the MVP's in this game they will never give the MVP to a defender unless he really tears it up. (ie. multiple pick 6) and on offense its never going to an O lineman.

the only real choice was Hurts, Sequon or one of the WR for MVP. Sequon was ok and so were the WR. Hurts played well. had one or two real bad throws like he always does but other than that played a solid game. he was the MVP in a game where I'm not sure there should have been an MVP. it was a team win. Everyone did their part and nobody really stood above the rest.... not in any significant way anyways.

I agree with the MVP selection, while noting that in games like this it usually goes to the QB. the reality is it was everyone. The line probably won the game for them but nobody is gonna give that award to an O lineman (sorry.... sad but true)

Finally a rational post

 

[Qammy]

Lets compare him again to daniel jones. Lmao

Insert Jones ... Eagles easily win the SB
No difference ... Once again the Eagles win in spite of Hurts not because of Hurts
He tried to blow it in the 1st Q with taht horrendous INT but the Eagles D was not having it

Horrendous pick? WTF with this "analysis". It was third and ten, at the edge of FG range with a shaky kicker, under pressure where a sack likely means no FG attempt at all....and the pick occurred at the THREE yard line.

I said it at the time and will say it again....I'll take that kind of pick any day.

Honestly, that pick was arguably a positive play. Pinned KC deep.

Of Course ... Why hit the open WR in the End Zone when you can pin KC deep in their own territory.
Hurts is clearly a genius and knew that the defensder would be tackled immediately.

 

[Qammy]

Jalen Hurts is horrendous ... one of the top 5 worst QBs in the NFL period!

Take away his running ... and he is hands down the worst

Still Stands ... Insert any QB in the NFL in that lineup and expect the same or better results
The Defense and the Oline were hands down the MVPs of this game

while I would agree the D and the O line were the MVP's in this game they will never give the MVP to a defender unless he really tears it up. (ie. multiple pick 6) and on offense its never going to an O lineman.

the only real choice was Hurts, Sequon or one of the WR for MVP. Sequon was ok and so were the WR. Hurts played well. had one or two real bad throws like he always does but other than that played a solid game. he was the MVP in a game where I'm not sure there should have been an MVP. it was a team win. Everyone did their part and nobody really stood above the rest.... not in any significant way anyways.

I agree with the MVP selection, while noting that in games like this it usually goes to the QB. the reality is it was everyone. The line probably won the game for them but nobody is gonna give that award to an O lineman (sorry.... sad but true)

What was the other real bad throw?

Also, since he always has one or two real bad throws, please let us know which ones they were in the NFC championship game.

It doesnt matter ... his bad throws are intentional. All part of his game plan

 

[Qammy]

Jalen Hurts has as many playoff wins (6) as the rest of the 2020 draft class combined (6).

Hurts was the 5th QB taken in that class.

Jalen Hurts doesnt have any playoff wins ... his team does in spite of him

 

[Qammy]

Steve Spagnuolo has been a defensive coordinator for 25 playoff games in his storied career.

Based on EPA per pass play AND dropback success rate, Jalen Hurts' performance in the Super Bowl was the best ever for a QB in a playoff game against Spags.

Im willing to bet the time to throw was also the best ever against spags ... Hello !!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

I was wrong about Hurts as I have never been a huge fan, however he works perfectly in their offense. Made the throws he had to make and keeps the defenses head spinning with ability to hurt you on the ground. What makes a good quarterback? My old school way was to start with a guy who can carry a team from the pocket. Well, the game has changed and he does the thing that is most important…win. Not all good quarterbacks play the same way and not all good quarterbacks would succeed in any system. Some have a better supporting and system. He cannot help he has great support, however he made the plays and executed what he was asked to do to at a high level and certainly was a major factor in his team hoisting the trophy.

 

[Terpman22]

The best thing about Jalen Hurts now is the only questions moving forward are about Legacy.

 

[Insein]

he just outplayed mahomes AGAIN and won mvp. what more do you people want

Another one or 4.

 

[unckeyherb]

Its been consistent narrative that the team made a decision to limit him in the passing game because they didn't trust him/didn't think he was good enough. The reality is what I said weeks ago; when you have an all-time great run blocking line and an all time great RB, what is the motivation to throw the ball, put pass plays on tape, etc? There isn't one. The choice to go run heavy has way more to do with utilizing a team strength than it does with limiting a Jalen weakness.

His 30+ yard pass on 4th and 5 to AJ against Washington in the NFCCG under pressure was an absolute dime. The deep TD pass to Davonta (which was basically the foot-to-neck play of that curb-stomping) was about as beautiful a pass as could be made. He's elite. It's time to stop pretending he's not. On the biggest stages in the biggest games, he plays his best. He has outplayed Mahomes in two Super Bowls.

 

[Terpman22]

Its been consistent narrative that the team made a decision to limit him in the passing game because they didn't trust him/didn't think he was good enough. The reality is what I said weeks ago; when you have an all-time great run blocking line and an all time great RB, what is the motivation to throw the ball, put pass plays on tape, etc? There isn't one. The choice to go run heavy has way more to do with utilizing a team strength than it does with limiting a Jalen weakness.

His 30+ yard pass on 4th and 5 to AJ against Washington in the NFCCG under pressure was an absolute dime. The deep TD pass to Davonta (which was basically the foot-to-neck play of that curb-stomping) was about as beautiful a pass as could be made. He's elite. It's time to stop pretending he's not. On the biggest stages in the biggest games, he plays his best. He has outplayed Mahomes in two Super Bowls.

Flip side of this, you get to say stuff like

"Wow your team keeps losing to an inferior QB eh"
"Cool, how did the ring taste"
"A Running back cosplaying QB beat you how badly?"

Its all noise at the bottom of the basement anymore.

If you think Justin Herbert or the like is better than Hurts or Kyle Shanahan or the like (read guys that haven't won anything) is better than Sirianni at this point, still. God bless you...

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Its been consistent narrative that the team made a decision to limit him in the passing game because they didn't trust him/didn't think he was good enough. The reality is what I said weeks ago; when you have an all-time great run blocking line and an all time great RB, what is the motivation to throw the ball, put pass plays on tape, etc? There isn't one. The choice to go run heavy has way more to do with utilizing a team strength than it does with limiting a Jalen weakness.

His 30+ yard pass on 4th and 5 to AJ against Washington in the NFCCG under pressure was an absolute dime. The deep TD pass to Davonta (which was basically the foot-to-neck play of that curb-stomping) was about as beautiful a pass as could be made. He's elite. It's time to stop pretending he's not. On the biggest stages in the biggest games, he plays his best. He has outplayed Mahomes in two Super Bowls.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year with a new OC and a tougher schedule. We know he CAN make the elite throws, but until the SB the team didn't need to throw much to win this year.

 

[Ray_T]

Jalen Hurts is horrendous ... one of the top 5 worst QBs in the NFL period!

Take away his running ... and he is hands down the worst

Still Stands ... Insert any QB in the NFL in that lineup and expect the same or better results
The Defense and the Oline were hands down the MVPs of this game

while I would agree the D and the O line were the MVP's in this game they will never give the MVP to a defender unless he really tears it up. (ie. multiple pick 6) and on offense its never going to an O lineman.

the only real choice was Hurts, Sequon or one of the WR for MVP. Sequon was ok and so were the WR. Hurts played well. had one or two real bad throws like he always does but other than that played a solid game. he was the MVP in a game where I'm not sure there should have been an MVP. it was a team win. Everyone did their part and nobody really stood above the rest.... not in any significant way anyways.

I agree with the MVP selection, while noting that in games like this it usually goes to the QB. the reality is it was everyone. The line probably won the game for them but nobody is gonna give that award to an O lineman (sorry.... sad but true)

What was the other real bad throw?

Also, since he always has one or two real bad throws, please let us know which ones they were in the NFC championship game.

It doesnt matter ... his bad throws are intentional. All part of his game plan

I wouldnt go that far but Im sure one or two of his hugely inaccurate throws could have been intentional (the equivalent of throwing it out of bounds)

 

[Ray_T]

Its been consistent narrative that the team made a decision to limit him in the passing game because they didn't trust him/didn't think he was good enough. The reality is what I said weeks ago; when you have an all-time great run blocking line and an all time great RB, what is the motivation to throw the ball, put pass plays on tape, etc? There isn't one. The choice to go run heavy has way more to do with utilizing a team strength than it does with limiting a Jalen weakness.

His 30+ yard pass on 4th and 5 to AJ against Washington in the NFCCG under pressure was an absolute dime. The deep TD pass to Davonta (which was basically the foot-to-neck play of that curb-stomping) was about as beautiful a pass as could be made. He's elite. It's time to stop pretending he's not. On the biggest stages in the biggest games, he plays his best. He has outplayed Mahomes in two Super Bowls.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next year with a new OC and a tougher schedule. We know he CAN make the elite throws, but until the SB the team didn't need to throw much to win this year.

he can do it. no question. there is a hitch in his throwing motion that occasionally results in a terrible throw. usually when throwing while running to the left where he has to throw across his body.

its not there all the time but on occasion it does happen. and when those throws go bad they go real bad.

luckily it doesnt happen too often for him.

 

[TomServo]

Steve Spagnuolo has been a defensive coordinator for 25 playoff games in his storied career.

Based on EPA per pass play AND dropback success rate, Jalen Hurts' performance in the Super Bowl was the best ever for a QB in a playoff game against Spags.

I just don’t understand anymore. He is his absolute best in the most important games. And his best is great. What other metric is supposed to matter?

Go check out the Eli thread for an honest assessment.

 

[renesauz]

Funny, I saw a few terrible throws from the uber fantastic all world goat challenging Mahomes too. I've even seen Brady throw a pick or two in his time.

Some of the criticisms have been absurd. A pick under pressure on third and long 30+ yards downfield is a ridiculous thing to hang your hat on when trying to downplay a QB. Hurts was terrific in this game, he's been terrific in many games.

 

[Deamon]

I was wrong about Hurts as I have never been a huge fan, however he works perfectly in their offense. Made the throws he had to make and keeps the defenses head spinning with ability to hurt you on the ground. What makes a good quarterback? My old school way was to start with a guy who can carry a team from the pocket. Well, the game has changed and he does the thing that is most important…win. Not all good quarterbacks play the same way and not all good quarterbacks would succeed in any system. Some have a better supporting and system. He cannot help he has great support, however he made the plays and executed what he was asked to do to at a high level and certainly was a major factor in his team hoisting the trophy.

This is the kind of post this place should be about.

It's okay to be wrong and admit it... I hated the Hurts pick when we made it with Carson playing so well, but Hurts is now one of the top qbs in the NFL, and has an absolutely ridiculous record as a starter, and keeps getting better.

It's unfortunate some of the haters can't make an appearance here and give their honest assessment of how he played this season, mainly the playoffs and super bowl.

 

[Gachi]

I remember the 2020 draft vividly, I don't think any of us Eagles fans were thrilled about the pick. IIRC we wanted an OLB or DE.

All but a couple have come around and can realize we were wrong.

Hurts is elite, nothing will convince the naysayers. And he's 26. They have a lot of years to keep hating him.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I was wrong about Hurts as I have never been a huge fan, however he works perfectly in their offense. Made the throws he had to make and keeps the defenses head spinning with ability to hurt you on the ground. What makes a good quarterback? My old school way was to start with a guy who can carry a team from the pocket. Well, the game has changed and he does the thing that is most important…win. Not all good quarterbacks play the same way and not all good quarterbacks would succeed in any system. Some have a better supporting and system. He cannot help he has great support, however he made the plays and executed what he was asked to do to at a high level and certainly was a major factor in his team hoisting the trophy.

This is the kind of post this place should be about.

It's okay to be wrong and admit it... I hated the Hurts pick when we made it with Carson playing so well, but Hurts is now one of the top qbs in the NFL, and has an absolutely ridiculous record as a starter, and keeps getting better.

It's unfortunate some of the haters can't make an appearance here and give their honest assessment of how he played this season, mainly the playoffs and super bowl.

I’d settle for the haters just disappearing… too embarrassed to show their faces. Instead we’ve got quammy continuing to which is clearly against the stated board policy.

 

[Ray_T]

Funny, I saw a few terrible throws from the uber fantastic all world goat challenging Mahomes too. I've even seen Brady throw a pick or two in his time.

Some of the criticisms have been absurd. A pick under pressure on third and long 30+ yards downfield is a ridiculous thing to hang your hat on when trying to downplay a QB. Hurts was terrific in this game, he's been terrific in many games.

I think you also need to consider situation.

the great QB's know when to throw that ball away.

but I do agree there are times when you need to take your chances with that play. if you are in the final minute of the game and down 2 scores, you need to gamble. you cannot waste time and plays by throwing the ball away. you throw that 50-50 ball and hope your guy gets it. I dont fault the QB in those cases.

but if its early in the game or if you are playing with a lead, you dont make those throws unless you have a WR who will outjump the coverage every time. You throw it away and hope for a better opportunity on the next down.

its the unforced errors that I mostly take issue with. QB's on a losing team will always have a few extra INT in their stat line if they are trying to get that game tying or game winning TD late in the game when there is very little time left in the game.

 

[sm8680]

NFL QB Power Rankings: Projecting All 32 Starters In 2025

 

[Gachi]

NFL QB Power Rankings: Projecting All 32 Starters In 2025

LOL @ putting that choker Lamar Jackson over Hurts.

 

[renesauz]

Funny, I saw a few terrible throws from the uber fantastic all world goat challenging Mahomes too. I've even seen Brady throw a pick or two in his time.

Some of the criticisms have been absurd. A pick under pressure on third and long 30+ yards downfield is a ridiculous thing to hang your hat on when trying to downplay a QB. Hurts was terrific in this game, he's been terrific in many games.

I think you also need to consider situation.

the great QB's know when to throw that ball away.

but I do agree there are times when you need to take your chances with that play. if you are in the final minute of the game and down 2 scores, you need to gamble. you cannot waste time and plays by throwing the ball away. you throw that 50-50 ball and hope your guy gets it. I dont fault the QB in those cases.

but if its early in the game or if you are playing with a lead, you dont make those throws unless you have a WR who will outjump the coverage every time. You throw it away and hope for a better opportunity on the next down.

its the unforced errors that I mostly take issue with. QB's on a losing team will always have a few extra INT in their stat line if they are trying to get that game tying or game winning TD late in the game when there is very little time left in the game.

and how many picks did Hurts throw in the playoffs? Since week 6? for the year?

 

[Pickle Rody]

I prefer most folks keep their blinders on and continue to underestimate Hurts. I do not see a downside.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Most rushing yards in a Super Bowl game — #NFL history

Jalen Hurts — 72 (SB LIX)
Jalen Hurts — 70 (SB LVII)

Jalen Hurts is the first QB to lead his team to 35+ points in his first 2 Super Bowl appearances.

Hurts and Joe Montana are the only 2 QBs to lead their teams to 35+ points in multiple Super Bowls.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

IMO, Hurts is simply this generations Russell Wilson in an era where teams are now more proactive in leveraging the running talents of their QB.

 

[Terpman22]

IMO, Hurts is simply this generations Russell Wilson in an era where teams are now more proactive in leveraging the running talents of their QB.

Just you'll never ever ever see a teammate talk bad about Jalen Hurts.

 

[Deamon]

Back to reality on Hurts after two yrs. Just completely inconsistent

There’s a difference Wentz had an elite skill set but injuries and other issues took a toll. Hurts is a mid 15 QB can be lower

He’s barely a game manager. Unfortunately we paid a mid QB franchise QB $$$ to be a game mamager

My issue with hurts is I think many overrate what he is. Too me he’s an overhyped game manager aka Russel Wilson.

What we’re paying Hurts right now is elite QB money and unfortunately he’s just not elite.

The problem is Hurts doesn’t even make his reads. He’s very slow at it

Hurts just doesn’t read defenses or see the Field consistent enough to be a great passer

I swear hurts has some of the worst pocket awareness when he has to stand there I’ve ever seen

I think the problem with Hurts isn’t Hurts himself but people who refuse to see he’s probably never will be elite.

On his best day Hurts isn’t as good as McNabb.

He’s a glorified game manager at best.

Damn

 

[Terpman22]

Back to reality on Hurts after two yrs. Just completely inconsistent

There’s a difference Wentz had an elite skill set but injuries and other issues took a toll. Hurts is a mid 15 QB can be lower

He’s barely a game manager. Unfortunately we paid a mid QB franchise QB $$$ to be a game mamager

My issue with hurts is I think many overrate what he is. Too me he’s an overhyped game manager aka Russel Wilson.

What we’re paying Hurts right now is elite QB money and unfortunately he’s just not elite.

The problem is Hurts doesn’t even make his reads. He’s very slow at it

Hurts just doesn’t read defenses or see the Field consistent enough to be a great passer

I swear hurts has some of the worst pocket awareness when he has to stand there I’ve ever seen

I think the problem with Hurts isn’t Hurts himself but people who refuse to see he’s probably never will be elite.

On his best day Hurts isn’t as good as McNabb.

He’s a glorified game manager at best.

Damn

This is way funnier if you read each of these and just insert the words SB MVP Jalen Hurts

"I think the Problem with Super Bowl MVP Hurts isn't Hurts himself but people who refuse to see he's probably never will be elite"

"Super Bowl MVP Hurts just doesn't read defenses or see the field consistent enough to be a great passer"

 

[sm8680]

It's time for the doubters to acknowledge Hurts' achievements and recognize him for the elite quarterback he is. His Super Bowl win and MVP title are just the beginning of what promises to be a legendary career.

 

[Terpman22]

It's time for the doubters to acknowledge Hurts' achievements and recognize him for the elite quarterback he is. His Super Bowl win and MVP title are just the beginning of what promises to be a legendary career.

Goal posts will be moved in one way or another. And he'll be greater bc of it haha funny how that works.