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QB Jayden Daniels, WAS (2 Viewers)

Some dude in my redraft league dropped him after week 1 for some flavor of the week waiver pickup. I spent like half my fab on him and never looked back. Drafted qb really late so my roster was loaded. Prob the best qb i have ever gotten off the wire
 
He went 1.2 in a SF Dynasty Startup that I'm in right now. I was hoping he'd fall a little farther in the 1st so I could snag him. Dang it. :kicksrock:And he went BEFORE Josh Allen :oops:
Who went 1.01?
1.1 Chase
1.2 Daniels
1.3 Allen
1.4 Lamar
1.5 Mahomes
1.6 Burrow
1.7 JJ
1.8 Hurts
1.9 Bowers
1.10 Nabers
1.11 Bijan
1.12 Lamb

2.1 Gibbs
2.2 Nacua
2.3 MH Jr.
 
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He went 1.2 in a SF Dynasty Startup that I'm in right now. I was hoping he'd fall a little farther in the 1st so I could snag him. Dang it. :kicksrock:And he went BEFORE Josh Allen :oops:
Who went 1.01?
1.1 Chase
1.2 Daniels
1.3 Allen
1.4 Lamar
1.5 Mahomes
1.6 Burrow
1.7 JJ
1.8 Hurts
1.9 Bowers
1.10 Nabers
1.11 Bijan
1.12 Lamb
Mahomes over Burrow is…interesting.
perhaps he sees next year, assuming Rice plays most of the season, as a big bounce back. But based on this year, yeah hard to put Mahomes over Burrow
 
Some dude in my redraft league dropped him after week 1 for some flavor of the week waiver pickup. I spent like half my fab on him and never looked back. Drafted qb really late so my roster was loaded. Prob the best qb i have ever gotten off the wire
Kurt Warner was the best QB ive ever picked from the WW , it was the week before Trent went down, just dumb luck timing .

I drafted Jayden in the 8th rd ,then Bowers rd 9. They are my 2 keepers next season, couldnt be happier.
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support him.
 
Next Gen Stats
Jayden Daniels completed 9 of 15 for 108 yards and 2 TDs on third & fourth down dropbacks, picking up 8 first downs.

During the regular season, Daniels converted on 42.9% of such dropbacks, trailing only Justin Herbert (in 2020) among rookie QBs since 2016.

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He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)

Its just qbs in general not just runing ones. If you stay in the league starting at qb for 8 plus years you are pretty damn good. They will replace you quick. Even if you are still.good at 30 its just smart business to reset the clock. Cheaper too
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing attack to support

Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)
I don't think its unfair to suggest that Daniels is a better passer than Cam, Vick, or McNabb ever were. I will say Cam's style was very different to Daniels, as he used his body as a battering ram often. McNabb seemed to stop caring later in his career and probably put on close to 30 pounds by the time he left Philly.

As some recent counterpoints, Lamar is having a career year at 28, Allen is playing at an elite level at 28, Russ was still going strong until 33 and is still an ok starter at 36.
 
If you stay in the league starting at qb for 8 plus years you are pretty damn good. They will replace you quick. Even if you are still.good at 30 its just smart business to reset the clock. Cheaper too
Yet Derek Carr still has a gig
 
If you stay in the league starting at qb for 8 plus years you are pretty damn good. They will replace you quick. Even if you are still.good at 30 its just smart business to reset the clock. Cheaper too
Yet Derek Carr still has a gig

Makes no sense
Carr's a solid QB. There aren't 20 QBs better than him, let alone 32.
Solid, sure. I’m just being pedantic as I wouldn’t call him pretty damn good.
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing atta
Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)
I don't think its unfair to suggest that Daniels is a better passer than Cam, Vick, or McNabb ever were. I will say Cam's style was very different to Daniels, as he used his body as a battering ram often. McNabb seemed to stop caring later in his career and probably put on close to 30 pounds by the time he left Philly.

As some recent counterpoints, Lamar is having a career year at 28, Allen is playing at an elite level at 28, Russ was still going strong until 33 and is still an ok starter at 36.
honestly, Daniels is good enough as a thrower that he could be a very good NFL QB if he was only a drop back passer. the fact he can run with the ball is a huge bonus. That adds an element to his game that makes him even more dangerous.
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing atta
Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)
I don't think its unfair to suggest that Daniels is a better passer than Cam, Vick, or McNabb ever were. I will say Cam's style was very different to Daniels, as he used his body as a battering ram often. McNabb seemed to stop caring later in his career and probably put on close to 30 pounds by the time he left Philly.

As some recent counterpoints, Lamar is having a career year at 28, Allen is playing at an elite level at 28, Russ was still going strong until 33 and is still an ok starter at 36.
honestly, Daniels is good enough as a thrower that he could be a very good NFL QB if he was only a drop back passer. the fact he can run with the ball is a huge bonus. That adds an element to his game that makes him even more dangerous.
The ceiling is prime Steve Young, who in my opinion, would have been a monster (like maybe GOAT) if he were born 20 years later.
 
He is. I worry about the pounding. He took a couple of vicious hits today. Tough kid but those aches aren’t gonna go away in a couple of years. Needs to develop just like Lamar did, and get thicker. Kyler Murray played this same scheme and he got beat up more than needed. Hopefully the offseason kingsbury develops a better basic rushing atta
Only.thing negative about him. hes so.skinny. one of these games hes gonna take a bad hit
hes still young. in a year or two he will fill out some of that frame. maybe the team will put him on a workout program to help him put on a couple pounds. I'd be careful about that because if you gain too much weight too quickly you will lose some of the elusiveness that makes the kid a good player.

but if he came in another 5 to 8 pounds heavier in camp and if its all lean I see no issue with this. and then tack on another 5 pounds next offseason, then we are looking at a kid thats gonna be a bit more durable.

His arm is so good. It sucks but i would slowly scale back the running
if he wants a long and productive career that would be the case regardless. Running QB rarely last much past the age of 30.

an awful lot of them were even done by the age 28. Look at Cam Newton. I guess he played to 30 but he was more or less done when his rookie contract was up. McNabb also done by 30. Vick lasted a little longer but he also had a couple years off due to the dogfighting thing so there was less wear and tear on his body.

I could probably list a bunch more if I had time to look it up. there are also some who were done at an even younger age (RG3 couldnt stay healthy once he got a couple years into his career)
I don't think its unfair to suggest that Daniels is a better passer than Cam, Vick, or McNabb ever were. I will say Cam's style was very different to Daniels, as he used his body as a battering ram often. McNabb seemed to stop caring later in his career and probably put on close to 30 pounds by the time he left Philly.

As some recent counterpoints, Lamar is having a career year at 28, Allen is playing at an elite level at 28, Russ was still going strong until 33 and is still an ok starter at 36.
honestly, Daniels is good enough as a thrower that he could be a very good NFL QB if he was only a drop back passer. the fact he can run with the ball is a huge bonus. That adds an element to his game that makes him even more dangerous.
The ceiling is prime Steve Young, who in my opinion, would have been a monster (like maybe GOAT) if he were born 20 years later.
Wow. I hadn’t thought a Young comparison. That’s a really good one.
 
Next Gen Stats
Jayden Daniels excelled in the most difficult passing situations against the Lions.

🔸 vs. Blitz: 12/16, 191 yards, TD (+7.0% CPOE)
🔸 O2.5 sec: 10/16, 172 yards, TD (+6.3%)
🔸 Under Pressure: 7/9, 109 yards (+17.6%)

Daniels was sacked zero times.

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Daniels' 191 passing yards against the Lions' blitz are the 2nd-most in a game by a rookie since 2016 (in the regular season or postseason).

Daniels recorded a 114.7 passer rating against the blitz during the regular season, the highest mark by a rookie since 2016.


The Lions defense did not generate a single pressure on Daniels with a four-man pass rush across 17 dropbacks.

When blitzing, however, the Lions did pressure Daniels 12 times on 20 blitzes (60%), yet they failed to record a sack on any of those 12 pressures with extra rushers.
 
Matt Bowen
Jayden Daniels vs. the blitz (5+ rushers)…

11-of-15, 185 yards, 1 TD (QBR = 99.4).

Quick throws on the perimeter. Screens. Find the underneath outlets. Protection on shot plays.

Daniels played with poise. And Kingsbury had answers for pressure. 4th down call here (Mesh).
 
Jordan Schultz
Text from an NFL GM: “Jayden Daniels is already the most poised quarterback in the entire NFC. I’ve never seen anything like this for a rookie.”

Kyle Lindemann
What’s scary is this is probably the worst supporting cast Jayden Daniels will ever have. The Commanders have $93M of cap space (3rd most) heading into next season.
 
Kyle Lindemann
What’s scary is this is probably the worst supporting cast Jayden Daniels will ever have. The Commanders have $93M of cap space (3rd most) heading into next season.
What he said about the roster is true. The Commanders don't have a particularly good roster, they've just played over their heads all year due to good coaching and due to Daniels. And with the huge roster turnover from last year, next year promises to improve the roster significantly more.
 
Using VR to prep. Love this.


"Jayden Daniels uses VR every morning to simulate live reps that include moving in the pocket & throwing into tight windows. The speed of the VR simulation is set at the highest possible setting. Jayden: “It moves faster within the VR than actual human beings…Once you get out there, everything slows down. I know this is coming. I've seen this before, (and) it moved more than 20 times faster in VR."

He has used that all year. He likes the game to seem slower than what he's prepared for. He has also shot basketballs before games because he says it makes a football feel smaller and easier to control.
 
If I'm putting a bow on Daniels rookie season, it is this.

He is going to be a force for years to come...his performance against pressure/blitz was otherworldly for a rookie, but top tier for any NFL QB. IMO it means that they can get away with being good on the OL, not great. They'd be wise to draft a TE high as you could see his relationship with Ertz flourish as the season progressed.

And obviously, their defense has to improve.

But I do expect regression in Year 2 as DC's are likely already under the hood to build approaches to limiting his skillset and the WSH will now have to contend with exploding expectations via an offseason reset, versus pretty much playing with house money all year. That is a different dynamic and I'm likely not going to value him as highly is 2025 as someone else.
 
If I'm putting a bow on Daniels rookie season, it is this.

He is going to be a force for years to come...his performance against pressure/blitz was otherworldly for a rookie, but top tier for any NFL QB. IMO it means that they can get away with being good on the OL, not great. They'd be wise to draft a TE high as you could see his relationship with Ertz flourish as the season progressed.

And obviously, their defense has to improve.

But I do expect regression in Year 2 as DC's are likely already under the hood to build approaches to limiting his skillset and the WSH will now have to contend with exploding expectations via an offseason reset, versus pretty much playing with house money all year. That is a different dynamic and I'm likely not going to value him as highly is 2025 as someone else.
ya, they definitely need some upgrades at the skill positions. Terry was great but they need another wr that can create some separation. Your point about the TE is spot on.
 
I think Sinnott can give us that TE upgrade in his 2nd season. TE's rarely ever hit year one. They loved his metrics coming out. And I'm pretty sure Ertz mentored to him all year what a great pro to learn under. I'd rather see us spend draft capitol on the line, upgrading our #2 WR, possibly upgrading at RB, and of course improve our secondary. Future is definitely bright because Jayden IS that dude.
 
Jayden Daniels’ stats in the playoffs this season:

• 75 for 114 (65.8%)
• 822 passing yards
• 135 rushing yards
• 6 TDs - 1 INT
• 97.9 passer rating

822 playoff passing yards is the most by a rookie in NFL history.
 
Jayden Daniels’ stats in the playoffs this season:

• 75 for 114 (65.8%)
• 822 passing yards
• 135 rushing yards
• 6 TDs - 1 INT
• 97.9 passer rating

822 playoff passing yards is the most by a rookie in NFL history.
definitely a star in the making. he may already qualify.

I've been really impressed with this kid.
 
I think Sinnott can give us that TE upgrade in his 2nd season. TE's rarely ever hit year one. They loved his metrics coming out. And I'm pretty sure Ertz mentored to him all year what a great pro to learn under. I'd rather see us spend draft capitol on the line, upgrading our #2 WR, possibly upgrading at RB, and of course improve our secondary. Future is definitely bright because Jayden IS that dude.
Sinnott looks like an eventual starter but Ertz also seems to have some gas left in the tank. Personally I think we're okay at TE right now - I'm hoping the Commanders are able to find some talent at OL, RB, WR, LB and CB in free agency and the upcoming draft. Protection for Daniels is key. But if BPA in round 3+ is a TE, I trust Adam Peters to make the right choice. He has been outstanding in his brief time in WAS.
 

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