QB Joe Milton, DAL (5 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Milton got a prospect score of 5.80 heading into the draft last year on the NFL website. That score would make him the 12th highest rated QB this draft. He had a good game against the Bills, but a lot of people look at that game as a spring scrimmage game that colleges have each year. People can certainly disagree, but the talent evaluators from teams in the league do not seem to think he is anywhere near worth a second or a third round pick.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Milton got a prospect score of 5.80 heading into the draft last year on the NFL website. That score would make him the 12th highest rated QB this draft. He had a good game against the Bills, but a lot of people look at that game as a spring scrimmage game that colleges have each year. People can certainly disagree, but the talent evaluators from teams in the league do not seem to think he is anywhere near worth a second or a third round pick.

I agree the Bills game was not the most competitive environment, but him looking good and composed for that game was a bit of a surprise nonetheless. And certainly looking good is better than looking bad no matter the circumstances. I do not think this really changes my initial view of him that much, but he is at least on my radar now.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

He wasn't a good college QB.
Would be something of a surprise after one year with a terrible team where he didn't play at all if he's suddenly up to being an NFL starter or even a competent backup.

 

[Grahamburn]

@SleeperNFL
The Cowboys have interest in Patriots QB Joe Milton III to back up Dak Prescott, per @jfowlerespn

https://x.com/sleepernfl/status/1903492903688958175?s=61

That's pretty random...Pats aren't trading him unless there's a solid return like a third and why would the Cowboys give that up if he is going to be a backup...I would think a team that is thin at QB and would give Milton an opportunity to compete to be their starter would be the best bet to take a run at him.

I don't know why a team wouldn't give up a 3rd if they felt really good about a young 2nd year QB. Then again, I think good backup QBs are worth their weight in gold. Its the most important spot to have depth at in my opinion. Who knows, maybe a guy like Milton could develop into Dak's successor in a couple years? I feel like in QB terms a 3rd round pick is almost worthless. Of QBs after round 2 since 2011 (14 drafts) only 4 guys really panned out in that range, Russ, Cousins, Dak, and Purdy.

My question would me more along the lines of why would New England only give him up for a 3rd?

There has been chatter that Milton considers himself a bonafide NFL starter and really isn’t all that interested in being a backup. Some folks in the building are concerned that Milton thinks he is competing with Maye to be the starter. This is similar to Zappe and Jones, and NE doesn’t want Maye to feel like he is constantly looking h over his shoulder that Milton is gunning for his job. It’s said that’s partly why they signed Dobbs. He knows his place and won’t make waves.

Connecting the dots, that’s why the Pars might choose to move Milton. But from what I have heard, anyone interested n him is only offering in the range of a 6th for him so far.

Not a good look for Maye if true.

 

[Grahamburn]

Milton got a prospect score of 5.80 heading into the draft last year on the NFL website. That score would make him the 12th highest rated QB this draft. He had a good game against the Bills, but a lot of people look at that game as a spring scrimmage game that colleges have each year. People can certainly disagree, but the talent evaluators from teams in the league do not seem to think he is anywhere near worth a second or a third round pick.

Bucky Irving was 5.87. These scores mean nothing. I always thought it was so odd that Anthony Richardson was picked 4th overall and Milton fell so far. Milton is a stud. I hope he gets a chance.

 

[Mingooch]

Milton is my QB3 in this draft. For that reason I would gladly pay a 3rd, particularly if it is a later on like Pitt.

 

[Donnybrook]

He wasn't a good college QB.
Would be something of a surprise after one year with a terrible team where he didn't play at all if he's suddenly up to being an NFL starter or even a competent backup.

There is an exception to every rule. Josh Allen, at least statically, wasn't a good college QB. I know there are many circumstances that effect every QB.

I am doubtful as well but also I would never say never. I wouldn't kill a team if they sent a late 3rd.

 

[Donnybrook]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

 

[Uncle Leo]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

Giants should trade their compensatory 3rd round pick for JM.

 

[Anarchy99]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

In a real game against a team trying to win, that throw would not be available. The Bills were playing third stringers and practice squad guys and were only concerned about not get anyone hurt. If was a nice thow, but if it came in a preseason game, would people still be raving over it?

No one is offering much for Milton. Maybe the whole league is blind and incompetent, but as of now, the only thing we know is the price dropped from a second to a third (and will likely drop more if they have their hearts set on moving him).

 

[Grahamburn]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

In a real game against a team trying to win, that throw would not be available. The Bills were playing third stringers and practice squad guys and were only concerned about not get anyone hurt. If was a nice thow, but if it came in a preseason game, would people still be raving over it?

No one is offering much for Milton. Maybe the whole league is blind and incompetent, but as of now, the only thing we know is the price dropped from a second to a third (and will likely drop more if they have their hearts set on moving him).

The Vikings let a QB that won 14 games for them go based on a preseason throw from J.J. McCarthy.

If I were the Giants or the Steelers I’d be all over this kid for a 3rd round pick.

 

[Anarchy99]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

In a real game against a team trying to win, that throw would not be available. The Bills were playing third stringers and practice squad guys and were only concerned about not get anyone hurt. If was a nice thow, but if it came in a preseason game, would people still be raving over it?

No one is offering much for Milton. Maybe the whole league is blind and incompetent, but as of now, the only thing we know is the price dropped from a second to a third (and will likely drop more if they have their hearts set on moving him).

The Vikings let a QB that won 14 games for them go based on a preseason throw from J.J. McCarthy.

If I were the Giants or the Steelers I’d be all over this kid for a 3rd round pick.

IMO, what McCarthy did in his one preseason outing really didn't have much to do with it. The Vikings let Darnold go because they traded a 4th and a 5th round pick to move up one spot to take McCarthy with the #10 overall pick. They wanted McCarthy to be their starter . . . having Darnold play well last year was a bonus. Minnesota was not about to give Darnold $100M for 3 years to potentially never have McCarthy see the field and waste his rookie contract. I am pretty sure the Vikes would have been happy to give Darnold a one-year deal to help ease McCarthy along, but he got a much better offer.

What you would do as a GM is irrelevant. The other 31 actual GM's have not offered a 3rd round pick for Milton. If they did, NE would have accepted their offer. The best offers they are said to have gotten (per Ted Johnson) sounded like a 6th/7th pick swap and possibly a late 6th round pick. It seems that as of the end of the week, no team had even offered a 5th for Milton. Johnson played alongside Mike Vrabel and they won 3 SBs. I'm guessing his intel is going to be pretty accurate. Johnson mentioned multiple times in multiple places their really hasn't been a lot of interest in Milton (at least up until now). Maybe that will change when the remaining free agents find homes, after the draft, and when a QB goes down in camp.

 

[Grahamburn]

This throw here is incredible IMO: https://youtu.be/CCeHXCqvZmE?t=63

In a real game against a team trying to win, that throw would not be available. The Bills were playing third stringers and practice squad guys and were only concerned about not get anyone hurt. If was a nice thow, but if it came in a preseason game, would people still be raving over it?

No one is offering much for Milton. Maybe the whole league is blind and incompetent, but as of now, the only thing we know is the price dropped from a second to a third (and will likely drop more if they have their hearts set on moving him).

The Vikings let a QB that won 14 games for them go based on a preseason throw from J.J. McCarthy.

If I were the Giants or the Steelers I’d be all over this kid for a 3rd round pick.

IMO, what McCarthy did in his one preseason outing really didn't have much to do with it. The Vikings let Darnold go because they traded a 4th and a 5th round pick to move up one spot to take McCarthy with the #10 overall pick. They wanted McCarthy to be their starter . . . having Darnold play well last year was a bonus. Minnesota was not about to give Darnold $100M for 3 years to potentially never have McCarthy see the field and waste his rookie contract. I am pretty sure the Vikes would have been happy to give Darnold a one-year deal to help ease McCarthy along, but he got a much better offer.

What you would do as a GM is irrelevant. The other 31 actual GM's have not offered a 3rd round pick for Milton. If they did, NE would have accepted their offer. The best offers they are said to have gotten (per Ted Johnson) sounded like a 6th/7th pick swap and possibly a late 6th round pick. It seems that as of the end of the week, no team had even offered a 5th for Milton. Johnson played alongside Mike Vrabel and they won 3 SBs. I'm guessing his intel is going to be pretty accurate. Johnson mentioned multiple times in multiple places their really hasn't been a lot of interest in Milton (at least up until now). Maybe that will change when the remaining free agents find homes, after the draft, and when a QB goes down in camp.

I really liked Milton coming out. Didn't like McCarthy as much especially relative to draft position for them both. I think they should have traded McCarthy to the Giants or Jets and signed Sam. The sunk cost of what they paid for McCarthy is just as irrelevant as what I'd do. Don't worry, I know what I'd do is irrelevant. But, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

 

[rockaction]

I don’t care how NFL teams think they have him graded. To get him for a 7-5 pick swap is robbery, and everybody should have been talking to the Pats. Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid and it’s why crappy teams in need of a QB stay crappy and in need of a QB.

If you can’t evaluate them, then admit it and take a chance that doesn’t even hurt you.

Good for the Cowboys, but this doesn’t solve Milton’s issue of going and competing for a job. That is still an issue. Nothing got solved here, but the Cowboys gave up nothing for their backup.

 

[travdogg]

I don’t care how NFL teams think they have him graded. To get him for a 7-5 pick swap is robbery, and everybody should have been talking to the Pats. Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid and it’s why crappy teams in need of a QB stay crappy and in need of a QB.

If you can’t evaluate them, then admit it and take a chance that doesn’t even hurt you.

Good for the Cowboys, but this doesn’t solve Milton’s issue of going and competing for a job. That is still an issue. Nothing got solved here, but the Cowboys gave up nothing for their backup.

Outstanding move for Dallas. Basically free. I'd rather have Joe Milton than Jaxson Dart personally.

100% agree. Backup QB is the most undervalued position in the NFL. It should always be a priority. How many playoff seasons have been ended due to 1 hit to a QB?

 

[Gold Fox]

Steelers should have been all over this.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

 

[-OZ-]

Really surprised nobody offered more. But it does make sense for the Pats, Dobbs has shown to be a good backup plan.

 

[travdogg]

Really surprised nobody offered more. But it does make sense for the Pats, Dobbs has shown to be a good backup plan.

Has he though?

I feel like he's shown himself more to be an acceptable desperation option. I mean, Arizona did little with him at the helm, and the Vikings couldn't bench him fast enough in 2023, which to be fair he was learning an offense on the fly.

Dobbs seems like a great locker room guy, but his on field play is bottom of the barrel backup in my opinion.

 

[Lansdowne]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

I’m just glad I won’t have to hear any nonsense from our fanbase when Maye has a bad game about how they should replace him with Milton, based off of one game that the Bills weren’t trying to win. Nobody in their right mind is going to be clamoring for Dobbs.

 

[JoeJoe88]

End of the day, we are still talking about a 6th round pick that’s played in exactly one NFL game. And wasn’t that a meaningless Week 18 game for Buffalo with backup defenders?

Smart for Dallas, but expecting NE to have been able to get a bigger haul than this was probably unrealistic.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

 

[Gold Fox]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

I’m just glad I won’t have to hear any nonsense from our fanbase when Maye has a bad game about how they should replace him with Milton, based off of one game that the Bills weren’t trying to win. Nobody in their right mind is going to be clamoring for Dobbs.

This is the key motivation for the Patriots.

 

[rockaction]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

It might not be Milton but rather the situation. He could be a high-character guy who just wants a fair shake.

Think about it for a moment. We see how guys get treated in this league. If you’re not your own advocate, forget it. The Pats have every reason to ignore reasonable requests by both player and agent until player makes a stink. He should be able to compete for a job fairly and squarely.

So the Pats still didn’t do right by the player. At all. Which might be an almost organizational fetish and why nobody in their right mind (and who plays a premium position) wants to be there. That was part of my frustration, too. The team did nothing to help the player get a fair shake and another team who is non-friendly towards players and agents (and good Robert Kraft friend) traded for him to dump him in the same situation.

So we have that to consider. And I know naysayers will say that the league is in agreement and everybody else should shut up about his evaluation. But I’ll ask this: How many times is league consensus wrong on QBs? Often.

Free Joe Milton.

 

[menobrown]

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Saw tweets from Mike Reiss and Breer both suggesting the reason NE wanted to make the move was QB room dynamics, making the QB room more conducive for Maye's growth. How Milton contributed to making it less conducive or the dynamics worse no one said but feel like it's likely pretty close to what you are saying here.

Maybe that explains NE's angle. Why he could not get back much more in a trade who knows but he did end up drawing back a similar return to what Fields ended up netting the Bears.

 

[Ray_T]

Milton got a prospect score of 5.80 heading into the draft last year on the NFL website. That score would make him the 12th highest rated QB this draft. He had a good game against the Bills, but a lot of people look at that game as a spring scrimmage game that colleges have each year. People can certainly disagree, but the talent evaluators from teams in the league do not seem to think he is anywhere near worth a second or a third round pick.

Bucky Irving was 5.87. These scores mean nothing. I always thought it was so odd that Anthony Richardson was picked 4th overall and Milton fell so far. Milton is a stud. I hope he gets a chance.

yeah buckys score was primarily because of his measurables. his production score was good, his Athleticism score was low. so bottom line: he doesnt bench a huge amount and his speed isnt ideal. but the intangibles such as football IQ make up for a lot of that.

and football IQ can make up for a lot in athleticism. I always tell people, sure its good that player x runs a 4.4 on the 40 but that doesnt help you if you cant hit the hole that is blocked for you.

and hitting the hole is at least 50% of what a RB needs to do when the ball is in their hands. the extra speed turns that 8 yard run into a 10 or 15 yard run or allows you to take a 15 yard run to the house once you get into the secondary.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Maybe not

 

[rockaction]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Maybe not

With due respect, they acted out of respect? To send him to a team with the highest-paid QB in the league who is going nowhere near the bench barring injury? Sent him to a Brian Schottenheimer-coached team?

Pardon my skepticism. Sounds like more NEP front office ********. Might as well have had Kraft tweet that out.

 

[Anarchy99]

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Saw tweets from Mike Reiss and Breer both suggesting the reason NE wanted to make the move was QB room dynamics, making the QB room more conducive for Maye's growth. How Milton contributed to making it less conducive or the dynamics worse no one said but feel like it's likely pretty close to what you are saying here.

Maybe that explains NE's angle. Why he could not get back much more in a trade who knows but he did end up drawing back a similar return to what Fields ended up netting the Bears.

I reviewed this earlier in this thread and in the NE team thread.

It's been said that Milton considered himself an NFL starting QB all along, going back to when he was drafted. Apparently, after his performance against the Bills to close the season, he or his agent (or both) started suggesting internally to the NE brass that Milton wanted a fair shake at starting this year and wanted an open QB competition. Maye is a made man in NE, and there's no way they were going to let Milton (or anyone else) try to compete for the starting job. That's where the unease and trepidation of Milton becoming a problem is said to have come from.

As far as his trade value, based on his age, his college tape, and his perception as a long-term developmental project, that all trumped what league talent evaluators viewed as a preseason game performance against the Bills. Essentially, his value from that one game didn't really move any. The teams that inquired apparently all offered NE similar Day 3 draft options and viewed him as a 25-year-old project. The Pats certainly did not get any offers tantamount to Milton being a future starter, and certainly nothing near the 2nd or 3rd round picks the Pats were reported to have been looking for.

I'm not really buying that the Pats "granted Milton his wish" of a trade to DAL, as he's in no position to start there either. The Cowboys are committed to Prescott for at least the next 2 years (moving on from him would be a massive cap charge). I'm also not really buying NE turned down a better offer. I view that as they had a better offer probably by a few slots in the draft from a rival AFC team that they didn't want to trade him to. But I don't think there was a big difference in the trade offers they received.

 

[rockaction]

I'm not really buying that the Pats "granted Milton his wish" of a trade to DAL, as he's in no position to start there either. The Cowboys are committed to Prescott for at least the next 2 years (moving on from him would be a massive cap charge). I'm also not really buying NE turned down a better offer. I view that as they had a better offer probably by a few slots in the draft from a rival AFC team that they didn't want to trade him to. But I don't think there was a big difference in the trade offers they received.

This part of your analysis is spot-on, IMO. See my post upthread saying the same thing. “Out of respect for the player” my ***. They shipped him anywhere but in the AFC and certainly not to Brady so that he could sit behind Geno and have he and Tom as mentors. Forget that. That had the potential to be extra embarrassing. Organizational-crippling, actually.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

my slacker comment is there is a whole lot of micro-analysis in this thread about a nothing topic. carry on.

 

[menobrown]

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Saw tweets from Mike Reiss and Breer both suggesting the reason NE wanted to make the move was QB room dynamics, making the QB room more conducive for Maye's growth. How Milton contributed to making it less conducive or the dynamics worse no one said but feel like it's likely pretty close to what you are saying here.

Maybe that explains NE's angle. Why he could not get back much more in a trade who knows but he did end up drawing back a similar return to what Fields ended up netting the Bears.

I reviewed this earlier in this thread and in the NE team thread.

It's been said that Milton considered himself an NFL starting QB all along, going back to when he was drafted. Apparently, after his performance against the Bills to close the season, he or his agent (or both) started suggesting internally to the NE brass that Milton wanted a fair shake at starting this year and wanted an open QB competition. Maye is a made man in NE, and there's no way they were going to let Milton (or anyone else) try to compete for the starting job. That's where the unease and trepidation of Milton becoming a problem is said to have come from.

As far as his trade value, based on his age, his college tape, and his perception as a long-term developmental project, that all trumped what league talent evaluators viewed as a preseason game performance against the Bills. Essentially, his value from that one game didn't really move any. The teams that inquired apparently all offered NE similar Day 3 draft options and viewed him as a 25-year-old project. The Pats certainly did not get any offers tantamount to Milton being a future starter, and certainly nothing near the 2nd or 3rd round picks the Pats were reported to have been looking for.

I'm not really buying that the Pats "granted Milton his wish" of a trade to DAL, as he's in no position to start there either. The Cowboys are committed to Prescott for at least the next 2 years (moving on from him would be a massive cap charge). I'm also not really buying NE turned down a better offer. I view that as they had a better offer probably by a few slots in the draft from a rival AFC team that they didn't want to trade him to. But I don't think there was a big difference in the trade offers they received.

I agree with all of this

 

[Anarchy99]

my slacker comment is there is a whole lot of micro-analysis in this thread about a nothing topic. carry on.

Welcome to the offseason. Still weeks away from the draft, dead zone in free agency, not close to any football being played. Pretty much not a lot to talk about. It's this or the 87 threads about the tush push.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Something’s gotta be wrong with Milton if Patriots had to get rid of him and this is all they could get. Plus if other qb needy teams weren’t willing to spend such a small amount then that’s telling as well. Maybe he’s a bad teammate? Difficult in the locker room?

Smells like the Pats wanted the personality off the roster to me, not necessarily the player.

Maybe not

I wasn't suggesting he was a bad egg, just that he wasn't necessarily on board with the top down organisational focus on helping Drake Maye become as good as he can be. Seems to have been suggested/confirmed by others.

That's a personality issue I'd say. Having an entity in your locker room who is actively hoping your high value investment fails so he can have his own shot is probably not the best idea. Competition is healthy to a degree though I suppose.

 

[Bri]

Jerry Jones has often drafted or spent high on "local" UDFA QBs to put fans in the seats in preseason.
I think Lance garnered interest and now Mixon will.
Obviously there IS hope they develop but if Mixon puts some fans in the seats during meaningless games, Jones will be happy

 

[Ray_T]

I'm not really buying that the Pats "granted Milton his wish" of a trade to DAL, as he's in no position to start there either. The Cowboys are committed to Prescott for at least the next 2 years (moving on from him would be a massive cap charge). I'm also not really buying NE turned down a better offer. I view that as they had a better offer probably by a few slots in the draft from a rival AFC team that they didn't want to trade him to. But I don't think there was a big difference in the trade offers they received.

This part of your analysis is spot-on, IMO. See my post upthread saying the same thing. “Out of respect for the player” my ***. They shipped him anywhere but in the AFC and certainly not to Brady so that he could sit behind Geno and have he and Tom as mentors. Forget that. That had the potential to be extra embarrassing. Organizational-crippling, actually.

yeah for the most part I agree, but it is possible that if a division rival made an offer they wouldnt make the deal. I know I'd think twice about that unless it was a massive overpay.

But i do not know if this situation applied.......but for the most part I'd say I agree with your rationale pretty close to 100%. That comment was just the team putting a spin on the move in case anyone questioned it.

 

[Anarchy99]

The Pats side of this isn’t as good as it appeared. They didn’t get the Cowboys own 5th round pick. They got the Cowboys COMPENSATORY 5th round pick that comes right before the 6th round. That’s a difference of 25 picks.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Pats side of this isn’t as good as it appeared. They didn’t get the Cowboys own 5th round pick. They got the Cowboys COMPENSATORY 5th round pick that comes right before the 6th round. That’s a difference of 25 picks.

A bit surprised that there was not a better offer out there. Seems like they could have at least moved up to an earlier round with a pick swap (e.g. Milton, 6th for a 4th). Especially since this is such a bare quarterback class. The Cowboys gave up a straight 4th for Mingo, just seems like something is amiss with this.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

The Pats side of this isn’t as good as it appeared. They didn’t get the Cowboys own 5th round pick. They got the Cowboys COMPENSATORY 5th round pick that comes right before the 6th round. That’s a difference of 25 picks.

A bit surprised that there was not a better offer out there. Seems like they could have at least moved up to an earlier round with a pick swap (e.g. Milton, 6th for a 4th). Especially since this is such a bare quarterback class. The Cowboys gave up a straight 4th for Mingo, just seems like something is amiss with this.

Word is that there were other teams involved and DAL wasn't the best offer. I think Bobby Kraft did Jerry a solid to garner support for his HOF induction. DAL area has been low on NE for years. And, all of a sudden, Parcells is in the NE HOF after 3 decades of not speaking with Kraft. OK

 

[Anarchy99]

The Pats side of this isn’t as good as it appeared. They didn’t get the Cowboys own 5th round pick. They got the Cowboys COMPENSATORY 5th round pick that comes right before the 6th round. That’s a difference of 25 picks.

A bit surprised that there was not a better offer out there. Seems like they could have at least moved up to an earlier round with a pick swap (e.g. Milton, 6th for a 4th). Especially since this is such a bare quarterback class. The Cowboys gave up a straight 4th for Mingo, just seems like something is amiss with this.

Word is that there were other teams involved and DAL wasn't the best offer. I think Bobby Kraft did Jerry a solid to garner support for his HOF induction. DAL area has been low on NE for years. And, all of a sudden, Parcells is in the NE HOF after 3 decades of not speaking with Kraft. OK

Bert Breer said DAL was the only offer. Who knows what the actual situation was. It ends up being NE moved up 46 picks for Milton (from pick 217 to pick 171).

 

[Ray_T]

The Pats side of this isn’t as good as it appeared. They didn’t get the Cowboys own 5th round pick. They got the Cowboys COMPENSATORY 5th round pick that comes right before the 6th round. That’s a difference of 25 picks.

A bit surprised that there was not a better offer out there. Seems like they could have at least moved up to an earlier round with a pick swap (e.g. Milton, 6th for a 4th). Especially since this is such a bare quarterback class. The Cowboys gave up a straight 4th for Mingo, just seems like something is amiss with this.

Word is that there were other teams involved and DAL wasn't the best offer. I think Bobby Kraft did Jerry a solid to garner support for his HOF induction. DAL area has been low on NE for years. And, all of a sudden, Parcells is in the NE HOF after 3 decades of not speaking with Kraft. OK

maybe. or they just wanted to get rid of the player and Dallas was as far away as they could send him.

who knows really. I find it hard to believe in conspiracy theories on players valued as day 3 picks. Thats far too much planning relative to the value the player delivers. Not saying you are wrong. anything is possible and I've seen an awful lot of stupid stuff go down. but I dont see this as a play that moves the needle in terms of helping the Dallas franchise in the near future. Best case scenario is hes a solid backup with a chance to start once Dak is gone. If the kid is from the texas area maybe its been done to get a few fans in the stands to watch the local kid. nothing more.