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QB Joe Milton, DAL (1 Viewer)
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Looking really good.
pinequick
Footballguy
Really good.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I imagine he'll be traded.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Dude looked legit.
Faust
MVP
Next Gen Stats
In his NFL debut, Joe Milton III completed 22-of-29 passes for 241 yards & a TD, finishing with a 22.5% completion percentage over expected, the 2nd-highest mark by a QB in a game this season.
Under 15 AY: 20/21, 174 yards
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Backup QBs are important.
I get that he looked good but how much is a team really going to give right now?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Possibly. It could also be that it took him 6 seasons before putting anything together in college. Being a project after 6 years wasn’t a good sign.
But Malik Willis being drafted that much higher, seems odd.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Trade Maye. He'd be far more valuable, and you'd likely get a top 3 pick+, because those organizations are dumb and desperate.
Loved Milton coming out.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I have heard some theoretical discussion on NE trading Maye . . . but it wouldn't be to start Milton. It was based on the new incoming regime evaluating whether they would rather pick their own guy and draft one of this year's rookie QBs instead of keeping Maye. With NE winning a meaningless game to drop to the 4th pick, that option is probably off the board. I wouldn't put much stock in Milton playing well against a team not trying to win and playing reserves and practice squad players. NE played almost all their starters and tried hard to win. It was one step above the last preseason game. I have not seen anything to indicate that NE has any thoughts on starting or trading Milton, and all indications are they hope to further develop him as a viable backup.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
This guy needs to be starting somewhere next season. That's just a selfish fantasy football fan speaking.
Trading Maye would be dumb. We've seen Milton once, against 2nd stringers. Still, he looks like he could be the real deal. Trading him for less than a 1st would also be dumb. He's under contract through 2027, he's cheap, and you can have him longer if you choose to franchise him. You have plenty of time to let him develop. Having a guy on your bench never hurts. Wait until someone comes calling, then fleece them.
Trading Maye would be dumb. We've seen Milton once, against 2nd stringers. Still, he looks like he could be the real deal. Trading him for less than a 1st would also be dumb. He's under contract through 2027, he's cheap, and you can have him longer if you choose to franchise him. You have plenty of time to let him develop. Having a guy on your bench never hurts. Wait until someone comes calling, then fleece them.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I’m talking out of my rear end and suggesting something I know would never happen, but how much better is Maye than Milton really? If at all?
It’s a big swing, but man they could turn that roster around real quick.
Dizzy
Footballguy
There was some speculation about this on McAfee the other day. The Patriots homer was talking about Pep Hamilton and that he openly named Joe Milton in his top-5 list of best NFL QBs under 25yrs old.
Patriots interviewed Hamilton, yeah?
Gandalf
Footballguy
Also didn't he look good against Bills backups?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
For starters, why would they want to trade him? The only other QB they have signed next year is Maye. Milton is a developmental QB and a backup at this stage. Next, how much could they realistically get for him? A 4th or 5th rounder and maybe a late round pick swap? Then what . . . they would have to draft someone else to replace Milton.
There have been a number of guys over the years that made a last week start or a preseason appearance against scrubs that looked good. To me that doesn't really tell us much of anything. I would be surprised if other teams looked at Milton as someone that could compete for a starting job. Not sure backup QBs get traded that often, and they don't usually bring back much in return.
I LOLed at an article SI posted today on their website. They proffered that Milton would be an in-demand QB option for teams that miss out on Ward and Sanders as a starting worthy option. I can't see teams in the Top 10 of the draft saying that they missed out on those two so they will potentially pivot to Milton. Call me crazy, but I just don't see it.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Yeah
I was thinking more like a 2nd rounder which maybe no one would give but that's what I think I would want. But even then, I would want to keep Milton for all the reasons you laid out.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here were the QB trades from earlier this year for guys with way more on field / starting experience than Milton: Mac Jones netted a 6th. Justin Fields ended up costing a 6th. Kenny Pickett went for a mid round pick swap and two 7ths. Sam Howell got shipped out for two mid round pick swaps. Desmond Ridder got moved for WR Rondale Moore (and Ridder didn't even end up making the roster and ended up in LV). I can't see anyone offering up a 2nd for Milton (or many other QB options for that matter).
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Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Milton as a prospect is better than anything in this draft. If you can get a high 1st for him, trade him. If you can't, keep him. There should be no rush in the decision. It's a great "problem" for NE to have.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Howell stunk. Ridder stunk. Jones stunk. Pickett stunk. Who cares what they went for after putting so much putrid play on tape for everyone to say? By the time they were moved people had seen enough to realize they were never really likely to become a franchise QB. The teams that traded them were lucky to get anything for them.
Milton looks special NOW, and he looked special before the draft last year. Draft capital aside, he looks to have everything needed to succeed in this league. Comparing him to Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Sam Howell or Desmond Ridder who failed miserably in the starting roles given to them does a disservice to Milton's skillset.
I still say pump the breaks on crowning the guy, he played in what amounted to a preseason game where Buffalo rested their players and basically waived the white flag on defense, BUT, he still looked great. Sometimes looking elite against scrubs means something. Jefferson's preseason performance his rookie year is what sold me on him. Milton looks to have "it." Let's see where we go from here...
And Willis a 7th.
Hamilton doesn't have any IT factor to him.
He's super nice. He's a great teacher and clearly lots of people love the guy. He's a good evaluator of talent and a good offensive mind.
When did I say great? He doesn't stand out and he needs to and Rooney rule people don't like this but it's sometimes true. Idk that he's an alpha.
NFL teams should be paying premiums to QB coaches. Apparently everyone's job is related to the QBs success so why not pay them more and get names doing it?
Did I say how nice he is? I mean it leaps at you.
The Texans demoted Tim Kelly and gave Pep the passing game coordinator role and I was how can those two get along? But they did.
In the XFL, he was doing GM work and head coach.
I like him on maybe every social media. He's got breakdowns of things. If he can teach me, imagine what he can do with NFL players.
He's just not an alpha.
I would hire him to coach anything and especially QBs and WRs. He sees the most finite things and explains how to fix em so easily. He's got a gift of teaching.
Idk if the Pats interviewed him but sometimes teams hire HC interviews as other positions. He could be a Vrabel staff guy. I think they were on the Texans together.
He could use a Vrabel- how to be an alpha or to accept he's gonna be second fiddle and fill that role as best he can.
Dungy llllloves Pep and says how everyone does any chance he can. He's super likable. Just not an alpha
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Agree one game means little, but an elite athlete proving he's been paying attention and working at his craft means A LOT. Imagine if Anthony Richardson put in that type of work.
FWIW, Milton is essentially the same size as Richardson with more short area quickness, better agility and a more accurate arm. Both have cannons. Milton ran a slightly slower 40 time, but 4.5's is still great for a QB his size.
The only thing separating the two right now is their draft capital, but I would bet their careers follow very different trajectories from this point forward.
Gandalf
Footballguy
All those players essentially failed on their teams. Milton is more of an unknown with crazy upside potentially
Milton doesn't have Richardson's wiggle and shake n bake and moves and fun words. He's got more Mariota to his run style imo.
Every team needs to adopt the Titans Malik Willis off-season program and maybe add the UFL to it. Malik got a list from the Titans as to what he needed to work on and he worked out with these QB gurus.
Malik got clearly better each year and he shocked us each year. No one had him beating out Levis and no one had him winning and leading so well( with the Packers) the next year.
You could see the improvement so obviously.
The NFL has been weird to not have this be a regular thing. Coaches egos wanting to develop the third string... ugh. These are names. These gurus get teams excited about a top draft prospect- oh he worked with that guy?
Then there's Malik calling a slew of veteran QBs, mostly retired, and asking them questions and if they can work out w him or watch film with him. He did it like applying for jobs and felt lucky to get one of some high number that chatted w him.
And then "do they need to be in the UFL to get some work like the minor leagues?"
I think most do. However, an NFL coach saying nah I'll get him work by doing this n this could be fine too I suppose. Ask that Q though.
We all know that if ya sit a long time, you get rusty and uncomfy and you need reps. The NFL curiously says this about 52 players except the third string QB.
That guy Trask ain't getting better sitting behind Brady and Baker. He might be getting more knowledgeable but unless he plays and gets experience then I have big doubts. Ridder won't get better not playing in Arizona and not playing in Las Vegas...then he did so ok fine.
DTR was an intriguing prospect. Now he stinks? Now they're talking of drafting a QB high in the draft?
Hooker isn't getting better not getting work. Why can't you put him in when the team is winning by 30 points? Oh look Teddy was signed. Not only was he not getting work but he was demoted because of not getting work.
Sorry for the third (twentieth) time I say this rant but it's dead on accurate as a good way to develop a QB.
Guess what Levis is doing this year after me screaming that he should have been doing it all this time?
Jets had impressive looking UFL QB Adrian Martinez and he caught Rodgers eye but will he be playing in the UFL or is there a report of him doing any of this? No!
Milton needs to do this.
Pats give him a list of what to work on and some film and coaches and former QBs to call and see what he is like in May.
I don't care about the off-season rest of a guy that barely plays on the scout team. He can go to Aruba for a week, workout, go to Hawaii for a week, workout. It's not messing up his time off or his bod's healing or any of that
Boston
Footballguy
NFL Rumors: Patriots Having 'Discussions' About Trading High-Upside Talent
The New England Patriots could look to sell high on this player and try to cash in while they still have the chance.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I tried to acquire this guy and was told to pound sand. I had to laugh. The guy has Maye, Nix, Rodgers, and Jayden Daniels, and he wanted a ransom for Milton.
pghrob
Footballguy
People tend to covet what they have.
rockaction
Footballguy
Preach.
Boston
Footballguy
That's pretty random...Pats aren't trading him unless there's a solid return like a third and why would the Cowboys give that up if he is going to be a backup...I would think a team that is thin at QB and would give Milton an opportunity to compete to be their starter would be the best bet to take a run at him.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
To answer your question: https://x.com/i/status/1902405344875200669
I don't know why a team wouldn't give up a 3rd if they felt really good about a young 2nd year QB. Then again, I think good backup QBs are worth their weight in gold. Its the most important spot to have depth at in my opinion. Who knows, maybe a guy like Milton could develop into Dak's successor in a couple years? I feel like in QB terms a 3rd round pick is almost worthless. Of QBs after round 2 since 2011 (14 drafts) only 4 guys really panned out in that range, Russ, Cousins, Dak, and Purdy.
My question would me more along the lines of why would New England only give him up for a 3rd?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There has been chatter that Milton considers himself a bonafide NFL starter and really isn’t all that interested in being a backup. Some folks in the building are concerned that Milton thinks he is competing with Maye to be the starter. This is similar to Zappe and Jones, and NE doesn’t want Maye to feel like he is constantly looking h over his shoulder that Milton is gunning for his job. It’s said that’s partly why they signed Dobbs. He knows his place and won’t make waves.
Connecting the dots, that’s why the Pars might choose to move Milton. But from what I have heard, anyone interested n him is only offering in the range of a 6th for him so far.
Boston
Footballguy
Anarchy answers the question well...also, Maye is the franchise QB (i.e. Milton is not playing unless there is an injury) and the Pats roster needs so much help getting a #3 probably helps them more long-term than Milton would and I am skeptical they could get anymore right now...that being said I just don't see them trading him for anything less than a third unless it's something like a #4 and a conditional 2026 pick based on him actually playing.
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The bolded is wild to me. Other than Ward and Sanders, I'd take Milton over any QB in this draft.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...he checks all the boxes and while I know it was week 18 and Buffalo was playing backups he looked lights out...if you need a QB he is definitely worth a roll of the dice for the cost.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Former NE LB Ted Johnson is a co-host of a radio show and frequently appears on TV as well. He apparently is dialed in more than I thought, as he knew exactly which teams had inquired, what the offers were, and that the best they were offered as if the other day was a 6th (although he also said he could not disclose the teams and the offers). He said the late season performance against the Bills hadn’t changed the opinions of scouting and talent evaluators across the NFL. He felt getting a 2nd or 3rd back for Milton was a pipe dream, but NE might move him for whatever they could get for him to avoid stunting Maye’s development. The last thing they wanted was a QB controversy and Milton chirping that he deserves a shot to win the starting job over and over again.
If they can get a 3rd for him they should do it.
They'd have three third round picks. They could use one to get back into the late first round for an OT or move around otherwise to fill a hole. There's a lot of good WR and RB targets in rounds 2 and 3.
I'd be curious to know what experts think about Milton as far as where would he be ranked in THIS year's draft? How high would he go?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am no expert, but Milton was so raw coming out that I am not sure he would have been drafted much higher this year. Obviously the weak class would help a little, but I do not think it would move him up tremendously. I think he surprised a lot people how he looked when he started last year against Buffalo, without that glimpse I do not think there would be a lot of rumblings about him.
massraider
Footballguy
Day 2 pick for a 6th round pick, who is 25 years old already? 29 passes in a game, and he's gone from 6th round value to 3rd?
No way. If anything, I could see some team fishing for Milton, because the Pats maybe hedged their bet with him, and now it's clear they have their guy, maybe he's available. But trading a 3rd round pick for a QB means people will expect he's going to start at some point soon.
It only takes one team, but that would really surprise me. Pretty sure this 3rd round talk came from a Browns beat writer, seems like random speculation to me.
No way. If anything, I could see some team fishing for Milton, because the Pats maybe hedged their bet with him, and now it's clear they have their guy, maybe he's available. But trading a 3rd round pick for a QB means people will expect he's going to start at some point soon.
It only takes one team, but that would really surprise me. Pretty sure this 3rd round talk came from a Browns beat writer, seems like random speculation to me.
