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QB Josh Allen, BUF (5 Viewers)
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Super impressed. That is all.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Yep, pretty much wanted to comment - thank you, Josh.
The little blip on the radar earlier is no big deal. Growth came out of it.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I posted how high I was on Allen, and the Bills offense in general here somewhere in the preseason but can’t find it. I have him on a few teams, and he may almost single-handedly (along with Waller) drag one of them to the finals. Arm strength, accuracy, rushing ability. He’s the total package.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
BEFORE he was drafted I saw something special with Josh. I felt it would take years before he developed to this point.
I'm very impressed with the huge leaps he's taken. He's far ahead of where I thought he'd be at this point. I drafted him in a rookie dynasty draft in the second round.
He's been amazing
zamboni
Footballguy
We’ve all discussed how his accuracy has improved leaps and bounds, his vastly improved decision making is what has impressed me the most. We don’t see too many boneheaded mistakes at all any more. He’s matured as much in real life NFL as he has in fantasy.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It’s kind of funny how when you look at the 2018 class, the two guys who everyone considered to be the project guys have had by far the 2 best statistical seasons. Nobody else is really even close to Jackson’s 2019 and Allen’s 2020.
Basically 2 straight years now of many of the experts having to eat their words on QB evaluations.
Basically 2 straight years now of many of the experts having to eat their words on QB evaluations.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I took A LOT of grief with my Josh Allen takes at the time.
I like the inexplicable, inscrutable, enigmatic, nature of Baker Mayfield's leadership ability which is more of an in-yo-face type but he pulls things out of his butt on the field just when you think you can bury him. Can't discount the guy who set the all-time NFL rookie QB TD record in only 13 starts.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if all three, Lamar, Josh, and Baker are in the playoffs or that one could be the starting QB in this year's SB.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Totally agree. I think all three of Jackson, Allen and Mayfield will be great QBs for a long time.
I posted this in a game thread last week, but it’s kind of crazy that basically all of the great young QBs are in the AFC. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Herbert, Burrows. Maybe Tua. Lawrence possibly as he inevitably ends up in the AFC next year. If we stretch it out to 27 years old or under, Watson also makes the list.
For the NFC, right now the only guy that really looks like he could make that list is Murray. I guess Hurts too maybe? Not really nearly enough data there to make a call on him.
But the bottom line is that it certainly looks like the future of the NFL is a dominant AFC. Going to be a lot of exciting, great football in the AFC.
Also, looking at that list and the AFC North, it’s going to be a tough division for quite a while and the Steelers may be looking at some tough years ahead when Big Ben declines.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I like Murray and started the thread on him when he was still with Oklahoma and no one thought he'd even go to the NFL.
I really like Kyler especially in fantasy football.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I agree with this, but if you're making the cutoff age 27 and under, I think you have to include Prescott in the NFC conversation as well.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
That’s fair. He definitely has shown that he is a great QB, especially when you compare their offense with him versus without him.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
We were talking about that in my household last night too. Right now, that draft class isn't looking nearly as good as the 1983 class, which is admittedly setting the bar stupidly high but that's the comparison that was made at the time. Allen looks like a pretty clear "hit." So does Jackson, albeit in kind of an unusual manner that requires the right OC. I don't watch many Browns games so I don't have much of an opinion on Mayfield, but he seems like someone who at least will enjoy a long career in the NFL. It's interesting that the two guys who everybody thought were the most pro-ready have been the only two flops. (Is it premature to put Darnold in the "bust" category? The Jets are a dumpster fire, but Darnold hasn't shown any flashes at all this year, at least not that I've seen.)
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
No. Regardless of what happens elsewhere (PIT vs. IND and TEN vs. GB are very important for the Bills), they have to win this week to lock up the #2 seed. No chance Allen gets pulled unless he gets injured or the game gets totally out of hand.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Gotta think that Mahomes and Allen go into next year as 1a and 1b on fantasy QB rankings.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Mahomes is the clear top option. Murray will probably be #2 with Allen pretty close behind.
rockaction
Footballguy
In 6 pt. pass TD leagues, I've got Allen over Murray. No way does Murray rush for as many touchdowns next year as he did this past year, and Allen finished ahead of him in points. That's all league-dependent, though, and depends whether you're getting a point for 20 yards passing or for 25, too.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I know he won’t win the MVP, but he deserves more of a look than he will probably get. Mahomes has been very good, but has actually been pretty uneven over the last 6-7 weeks. Rodgers has been great, but they’ve also played one of the easiest schedules in the league. Allen deserves to be more than the dark horse 3rd guy thrown in there.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I’m taking Murray in all formats. It’s hard to talk about his fantasy upside without feeling hyperbolic - so I’ll just say I see a higher ceiling with him.
(That said, I’m riding a championship high, thanks to my favorite athlete on the planet tonight: Joshua. Patrick. Allen. Cheers!)
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rockaction
Footballguy
I guess we just disagree on Murray and Allen. I'd rather have Allen today and twice Tuesday. Congratulations on your championship!
Maybe it’s recency bias talking here but there’s no QB I’d rather have than Allen. Cannon arm, mobile, strong as !$!@ and a OC that utilizes his strengths and goes for the throat. Mahomes is great for sure but KC almost seemed disinterested at times this year. Maybe that comes with winning a super bowl.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Allen would be my second pick to build an NFL team around today, I think. Mahomes would be my top choice, however - probably ever.
But yeah, Allen looks special. I’m happy for him. He’s obviously put in a lot of work.
rockaction
Footballguy
Mahomes, and it's likely not that close. Mobile enough to escape the toughest pressure. Great mechanics when needed and called for, foolishly effective ones when in a pinch. Only thing I can think of is that he doesn't have is that Diggs-esque classic all-around receiver to complement him. He's got some non-traditional excellence around him in Hill and Kelce. I think that makes his game a little more non-traditional and prone to some inconsistency, unlike Allen this year.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I’d be slightly concerned if Daboll leaves for a head coaching gig.
That said, the way this franchise is pulling the right levers, I’m sure they’d bring in someone else who would continue to let Josh cook (sorry, Russ, it’s not you any more)
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I would be shocked if Daboll doesn’t get a HC gig. He and Bienemy have to be the two hottest candidates.
zamboni
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I agree. Daboll has turned into a fantastic OC and the players love him. I think there’s a good chance that they would promote QB coach Ken Dorsey to OC if/when Daboll is hired as a HC.
Ostro
Footballguy
Also, don't be shocked if Daboll stays right where he is. He grew up in the area, and grew up as a Bills fan. So he bleeds Buffalo red and blue. He also went to college at University of Rochester, a little over an hour away. So right now, there's a good chance that he is literally in his dream job.
zamboni
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I mean, I want to believe this is true too, but if you got an opportunity to be a head coach in a decent spot, I think you gotta take it. Ideally, knock on wood, Sean McDermott is gonna be around in Buffalo for awhile. Daboll may need to go elsewhere to get that shot.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not sure how Daboll feels, but it’s also true that not every coach wants or needs to be *the* guy. All that said, I think he bolts.
Ostro
Footballguy
You guys are missing the point.
You guys are underestimating what its like to work for your team. The team you grew up watching and rooting for. Regardless of money.
Look at all the coaches that take better jobs for other teams. To them its just a job, because they're not really a fan of the team. You hear coaches all the time say they're 'a fan of the game'. Let's be real, 'a fan of the game' and 'a fan of the team' are two different things.
Do you think that the coaches and players don't check and see how their team is doing? Of course they do. We just don't hear about it.
Just because a player/coach puts on their employees jersey/shirt, doesn't necessarily mean that they're a fan of the team. They can become a fan of the team, but there's still gonna be a place in their heart for their real team, the team they grew up with.
Josh Allen is a 49ers fan.
Here's a hypothetical situation.
Bills offer Allen a $40M/year 5 year deal
49ers offer Allen a $35M/year 5 year deal
Where would you think he goes? Honestly, i don't know. I could see that being a 50/50 toss up.
Now what if we do:
Bills offer Allen a $40M/year 5 year deal
Jags offer Allen a $45M/year 5 year deal
My money is on him staying in Buffalo.
Basically what I'm saying is, being an OC for your team, far out-ways any HC job on a crap team that you don't even like. Plus, Pegula's got money. I doubt they let him leave the building.
You guys are underestimating what its like to work for your team. The team you grew up watching and rooting for. Regardless of money.
Look at all the coaches that take better jobs for other teams. To them its just a job, because they're not really a fan of the team. You hear coaches all the time say they're 'a fan of the game'. Let's be real, 'a fan of the game' and 'a fan of the team' are two different things.
Do you think that the coaches and players don't check and see how their team is doing? Of course they do. We just don't hear about it.
Just because a player/coach puts on their employees jersey/shirt, doesn't necessarily mean that they're a fan of the team. They can become a fan of the team, but there's still gonna be a place in their heart for their real team, the team they grew up with.
Josh Allen is a 49ers fan.
Here's a hypothetical situation.
Bills offer Allen a $40M/year 5 year deal
49ers offer Allen a $35M/year 5 year deal
Where would you think he goes? Honestly, i don't know. I could see that being a 50/50 toss up.
Now what if we do:
Bills offer Allen a $40M/year 5 year deal
Jags offer Allen a $45M/year 5 year deal
My money is on him staying in Buffalo.
Basically what I'm saying is, being an OC for your team, far out-ways any HC job on a crap team that you don't even like. Plus, Pegula's got money. I doubt they let him leave the building.
Super King
Footballguy
No chance in hell. He's a GOD here in WNY. I mean, he could probably shot the mayor right in Niagara Square, and everyone would just look the other way
Ostro
Footballguy
lol, that's a hypothetical situation man. I'd hope he stays in this situation too. but if those were real FA contracts, it's not WNY's decision. It's his.
If I were put in this type of situation, I'd take less money and go back to my home team. And based on your statement, you're from WNY, a passionate Bills fan, and If you were given the same hypothetical, you'd probably take less money to play for the Bills.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I want to be wrong, but I don't buy what you're selling for a second. I can't really relate personally, but I've seen enough stories of players who grew up as a fan of Team Y, but once they played (and got paid big $) for Team Y they completely changed their allegiance. Factor in that Daboll would be making 2 or 3 or whatever million dollars more in a HC gig... I think he'll be gone if he gets an offer.
Ostro
Footballguy
I don't believe that you're not buying it for a second.
Must've been a bad Organization. Jets, Bengals, Pats, Dallas(?), and others.
That's not something the Bills as an Organization have to worry about. Us as fans have heard nothing but good praise coming out of OBD as far as the coaching staff/player life is concerned, and how things are run ever since Pegula's took over. You think Daboll will be gone if he gets an offer? I think Pegula's match the offer or even a little home town discount and he stays.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Allen is going no where. He now bleeds Bills blue. Especially after what this city did after his grandmother passed.
