If the giants liked Rosen wouldn’t they have picked him last year? And he’s certainly lowered his value after a poor rookie season. Seems like a Redskin or Dolphin move to overpay so those look most likely to me.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that over the course of the NFL Scouting Combine, the Cardinals did not give the indication that they are shopping Josh Rosen at this juncture.
Schefter relays from a pair of sources who spoke with the Cardinals that "multiple teams" approached them on the Rosen trade front at the combine, but that "Arizona did not give those teams any indication that it is willing to move on from Josh Rosen at this time." This report comes on the heels of Indianapolis dispatches from both Bleacher Report's Matt Miller and Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline that the Cardinals are aiming to draft OU's Kyler Murray. It wouldn't surprise us if their purported interest in Murray ended up being a massive smokescreen to try to lure another team -- say, the Raiders, with HC Jon Gruden reportedly being "all over" Murray -- to trade up to No. 1. All of this smoke will clear in time, but for now, it's just a matter of trying to squint through the haze to ascertain what might actually be going on under the surface.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Mar 6, 2019, 3:07 PM
CBS' Jason La Canfora predicts Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins for a third-round pick.
La Canfora is purely speculating, but he is also convinced Kyler Murray will be the No. 1 overall pick to the Cardinals. As La Canfora points out, there are not many teams beyond the upper reaches of the draft that need a quarterback this offseason. With Nick Foles seemingly heading to the Jaguars, that does indeed leave the Redskins as perhaps the most plausible landing spot.
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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Mar 7, 2019, 12:42 PM
For a franchise and fan base that has been cursed for decades (Sean Taylor, RG3, countless horrible FA signings) this would be such a nice change of luck for us. Praying that happens.CBS' Jason La Canfora predicts Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins for a third-round pick.
La Canfora is purely speculating, but he is also convinced Kyler Murray will be the No. 1 overall pick to the Cardinals. As La Canfora points out, there are not many teams beyond the upper reaches of the draft that need a quarterback this offseason. With Nick Foles seemingly heading to the Jaguars, that does indeed leave the Redskins as perhaps the most plausible landing spot.
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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Elway is just upset over Doug Williams kicking his butt in SB XXII and is trying to throw a monkey wrench into the Redskins plans. He needs to cut that out right now.lot of talk here in CO that the Broncos could be players in this.....
You left out being owned by Dan Synder.For a franchise and fan base that has been cursed for decades (Sean Taylor, RG3, countless horrible FA signings) this would be such a nice change of luck for us.
would absolutely love this move as a Rosen ownerlot of talk here in CO that the Broncos could be players in this.....
Not heading to Washington.
Redskins just acquired Case Keenum to compete with Colt Mccoy. Pick swap 2020 7th round pick and Case in return for a 2020 6th round pick.
They already have $27 million in guaranteed cap hits for Smith, Keenum and McCoy QBs next season. Adding Rosen would push it to $31. That is a big number for a group of very questionable QBs.Keenum is making backup money. That deal doesn’t preclude Rosen from going to WAS. In fact, it could be WAS setting their bridge/backup QB in place.
They already have $27 million in guaranteed cap hits for Smith, Keenum and McCoy QBs next season. Adding Rosen would push it to $31. That is a big number for a group of very questionable QBs.
Thanks, it makes this seem to be even weirder. Rosen looks like a steal. If the plan was to get Rosen why not just roll with McCoy as the backup?SportsTrac has the current WAS QBs including Keenum at $27.3M - which is what you also have. Adding Rosen would add $1.3M to that since his signing bonus would accelerate against AZ and not go to WAS.
Maybe Denver is going to trade for Rosen next. would be a dream landing spot IMONot heading to Washington.
Redskins just acquired Case Keenum to compete with Colt Mccoy. Pick swap 2020 7th round pick and Case in return for a 2020 6th round pick.
Thanks, it makes this seem to be even weirder. Rosen looks like a steal. If the plan was to get Rosen why not just roll with McCoy as the backup?
Right, just seems to make Rosen an even better deal. Washington haven’t handled their QBs very well in recent years imo.No idea. They may not even go after Rosen. I was just saying that he was still an option.
Here is how the salaries break down. Keenum counts against Washingtons cap for only 3.5 milSportsTrac has the current WAS QBs including Keenum at $27.3M - which is what you also have. Adding Rosen would add $1.3M to that since his signing bonus would accelerate against AZ and not go to WAS.
Here is how the salaries break down. Keenum counts against Washingtons cap for only 3.5 mil
https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/1103788704475181056?s=19
eta: not saying your salary is wrong, just showing everyone that Denver is paying 3.5 of the 7
How would Keenum having had played for Kliff mean anything to Rosen? Honest question. That doesn't...really add up, IMHO.There was some talk that AZ would go after Keenum as a backup if he was cut since he's familiar with Kliff and played in the system in college. Maybe Washington believe he'll help them get Rosen.
I assume he meant they will trade picks and Keenum to Arizona for Rosen.How would Keenum having had played for Kliff mean anything to Rosen? Honest question. That doesn't...really add up, IMHO.
Ahhh...thanks.I assume he meant they will trade picks and Keenum to Arizona for Rosen.
THANK YOUI’m not sure why Rosen is getting so much love in here. I can agree that the entire Cards offense looked horrible last year, but Rosen really showed nothing to make me think he could be a good NFL QB. All the other rookies last year won some games on their own, or at least had some stretches where they looked good and composed. Rosen really didn’t show anything.
I am fine with the Cards moving on from him. I think a third round pick is light, but if I was a Skins or Broncos fan, I wouldn’t be so happy if I heard we were getting Rosen.
Goff looked like garbage as a rookie too.I’m not sure why Rosen is getting so much love in here. I can agree that the entire Cards offense looked horrible last year, but Rosen really showed nothing to make me think he could be a good NFL QB. All the other rookies last year won some games on their own, or at least had some stretches where they looked good and composed. Rosen really didn’t show anything.
I am fine with the Cards moving on from him. I think a third round pick is light, but if I was a Skins or Broncos fan, I wouldn’t be so happy if I heard we were getting Rosen.
OTC has Keenum's 2019 cap # at 21M and Alex Smith at 20MSportsTrac has the current WAS QBs including Keenum at $27.3M - which is what you also have. Adding Rosen would add $1.3M to that since his signing bonus would accelerate against AZ and not go to WAS.
Because we have one example of one QB looking bad as a rookie and good the following year doesn’t mean we should discount all rookie QB’s bad rookie seasons.Goff looked like garbage as a rookie too.
I think it is premature to downgrade his value by that much based on his rookie season.
Well most of those are bad and almost all of them improve. Especially if they get better coaching like Goff did.Because we have one example of one QB looking bad as a rookie and good the following year doesn’t mean we should discount all rookie QB’s bad rookie seasons.
I’m just saying that all the other rookies this year showed something. IMO, Rosen didn’t. He seemed aloof out there, and lost. Again, I know the whole situation was very bad, but he did nothing to improve it.Well most of those are bad and almost all of them improve. Especially if they get better coaching like Goff did.
Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Peyton Manning(28 picks), Alex Smith, Eli ManningBecause we have one example of one QB looking bad as a rookie and good the following year doesn’t mean we should discount all rookie QB’s bad rookie seasons.
You have seen a lot more of Rosen than I have so maybe your right I just think it's too early to judge.I’m just saying that all the other rookies this year showed something. IMO, Rosen didn’t. He seemed aloof out there, and lost. Again, I know the whole situation was very bad, but he did nothing to improve it.
It will be interesting to see how he does elsewhere. My bet is he doesn’t do very well.
Normally I’d agree with your Giants comment but they picked Barkley... One of the safest picks in the draft with great upside. They may have had Rosen #2 on their list. If they can get him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick I don’t how they don’t do it.If the giants liked Rosen wouldn’t they have picked him last year? And he’s certainly lowered his value after a poor rookie season. Seems like a Redskin or Dolphin move to overpay so those look most likely to me.
Sam Darnold and Josh Allen also played behind horrific o-lines, were supported by below average skill players (arguably worse than Arizona) and had poor offensive coaches - yet those guys showed some decent to good/great things on the field along with some struggles - so basically I agree.I’m not sure why Rosen is getting so much love in here. I can agree that the entire Cards offense looked horrible last year, but Rosen really showed nothing to make me think he could be a good NFL QB. All the other rookies last year won some games on their own, or at least had some stretches where they looked good and composed. Rosen really didn’t show anything.
I am fine with the Cards moving on from him. I think a third round pick is light, but if I was a Skins or Broncos fan, I wouldn’t be so happy if I heard we were getting Rosen.
OTC has Keenum's 2019 cap # at 21M and Alex Smith at 20M
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2019/
Because we have one example of one QB looking bad as a rookie and good the following year doesn’t mean we should discount all rookie QB’s bad rookie seasons.
When a team gets to observe him first-hand for a year and decides to ditch him, that causes other teams to update their priors.How is it that Josh Rosen who was selected 10th overall in last years draft possibly be only worth a 3rd round pick one year later?
Josh Rosen in my view would easily be the 2nd best QB of this draft class (if you have Murray ahead of him) and therefore is worth a 1st round pick.
I agree that he’s not a bust but it still has to lower his price.Really? One example? The NFL history is loaded with successful QB stories who had bad years when they started as rookies.
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I agree. There is a reason that AZ is apparently willing to part with “a bird in the hand”. That in and of itself devalues him.I agree that he’s not a bust but it still has to lower his price.
Josh Rosen 14 games 13 starts 217 completions 393 attempts 55.2% 2278 yards 11 TD 14 int 4.8 AY/A 66.7 rating 45 sacks 320 yards 10.3 SK%Sam Darnold and Josh Allen also played behind horrific o-lines, were supported by below average skill players (arguably worse than Arizona) and had poor offensive coaches - yet those guys showed some decent to good/great things on the field along with some struggles - so basically I agree.
Darnold and Allen got much better as the season progressed, I am not sure that Rosen did (although I admittedly did not follow him as closely).Josh Rosen 14 games 13 starts 217 completions 393 attempts 55.2% 2278 yards 11 TD 14 int 4.8 AY/A 66.7 rating 45 sacks 320 yards 10.3 SK%
Sam Darnold 13 games 13 starts 239 completions 414 attempts 57.7% 2865 yards 17 TD 15 Int 6.1 AY/A 77.6 rating 30 sacks 204 yards 6.8 SK%
Josh Allen 12 games 11 starts 169 completions 320 attempts 52.8% 2074 yards 10 TD 12 Int 5.4 AY/A 67.9 rating 28 sacks 213 yards 8.0 SK%
The main difference in their play that I see from these numbers is that Rosen was sacked a lot more than the other two.
Can't say I watched every snap, but I watched most of his 1st couple starts and I thought Rosen looked pretty good when he first got on the field. He seemed to be standing in the pocket making good throws under pressure in his first couple games. He did have several bad drops, including 3 probably TDs. Link with GIFsDarnold and Allen got much better as the season progressed, I am not sure that Rosen did (although I admittedly did not follow him as closely).
I'm not saying that the book is closed on Rosen and that he's a bust, but the narrative that he struggled while the other rookies looked competent because his situation was so much worse when compared to the others is false. The Jets or Bills don't have anyone close to Larry Fitzgerald or David Johnson on their roster and all three offensive lines were putrid, the difference being Darnold and Allen were better equipped to avoid the rush as they're more athletic than Rosen.
The top pass rush defense based on sacks per game last year was Pittsburgh who averaged 3.2 sacks per game.Josh Rosen 14 games 13 starts - 45 sacks 320 yards 10.3 SK%
Sam Darnold 13 games 13 starts - 30 sacks 204 yards 6.8 SK%
Josh Allen 12 games 11 starts - 28 sacks 213 yards 8.0 SK%
The main difference in their play that I see from these numbers is that Rosen was sacked a lot more than the other two.
There’s a difference between a bad year and looking like a complete bust. As I said, all the other rookie QB’s had their issues last year, but none looked like a bust except Rosen. It’s rare that a QB goes from looking as bad as Goff and Rosen and really turns it around.Really? One example? The NFL history is loaded with successful QB stories who had bad years when they started as rookies.
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