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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (4 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I thought the same.
Leave that door cracked to try one last time to drive up the price.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At this point, I don't think the Bears need to try and "fool" anyone into thinking they may stand pat to drive up the price - once they announce they are looking to move the pick, teams that want a QB will be competing against all the other teams that want a QB. The Bears only need to sit back and wait for the offers to pour in.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Don’t disagree, but it sure seems like they’re still playing footsies with the notion that they’ll trade Fields.
I don’t know why they’re bothering, unless they really are considering it, which seems silly.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There's 3 months before the NFL draft and the new league year hasn't even started yet.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
#facts
Team Chaos
Footballguy
I will say this. I have been a Bears fan since the beginning of the Ditka coaching era. In the years since that high point, the Bears have disappointed me many, many times. Trading Justin Fields would probably be one disappointment too many. I would have a great deal of difficulty continuing to support that franchise.
Last year’s record was horrible, but they were in most of the games. There can really only be two reasons that they managed to be competitive last year. The new coaching staff and Justin Fields.
Last year’s record was horrible, but they were in most of the games. There can really only be two reasons that they managed to be competitive last year. The new coaching staff and Justin Fields.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
The comments a while back about him discussing the weather seem ridiculous to me. I can’t imagine any human being honestly saying that they perform better in those conditions. They would be lying.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
As far as drafting another quarterback, it’s absolutely a huge gamble. Could Young, or one of the others end up being better NFL quarterbacks? Certainly! They could just as easily be busts. It is always difficult to determine how their college success translates to the NFL. We do know already that the game is not too big for Fields. We do know already that Fields is willing to put in the work. We do know already that he has shown improvement, even with less than ideal talent around him and non existent coaching in year one.
James D Koh @JamesDKoh
DJ Moore, Mooney, Claypool is a helluva interesting trio for Justin Fields
DJackson10
Footballguy
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm not a DJM believer either, but in fairness, he's had slop at QB the last few years.
I agree Moore is nowhere near AJ Brown levels, but I would disagree strongly that he doesn't help Fields. Fields #1 WR for stretches last year was Equanimous St. Brown.
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
I think Moore could be as valuable as say Amari Cooper was, if we are just looking at guys who recently switched teams.
Fields is the best QB Moore has ever had. Not hyperbole, Moore has had:
Broken down Cam
Kyle Allen
Teddy
Darnold
Mayfield
PJ Walker
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Huge win for Fields shareholders today. Huge. Can’t overstate the hugeness.
They went from a joke of a receiver room to well above average.
DJM, Mooney, Claypool, Kmet is a very decent receiving corps. Velus Jones & couple other cats sprinkled in? I like it.
Big upgrade. All win here.
They went from a joke of a receiver room to well above average.
DJM, Mooney, Claypool, Kmet is a very decent receiving corps. Velus Jones & couple other cats sprinkled in? I like it.
Big upgrade. All win here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like the dude.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Not to mention they could make a huge splash in free agency and the draft. Had Fields as my starting QB this year and only wish I was in a keeper league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s my QB1 in a 16 team SF. I was somewhat concerned after a few games last year. Now I feel like I’ve got a top 7 option for a long time.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Sorry, but this is just crazy talk. Of course a good 2 or legit 1 (I lean legit 1) helps JF.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
It’s at the very least no longer a deficiency. As far as #1 WR’s though, Moore isn’t really elite and I think the jury is still out on Mooney. Claypool did nothing to distinguish himself after the trade. Kmet doesn’t suck…but he also seems like just a decent option.
Same time, it’s a significant step in the right direction and the Bears have all sorts of capital to play with to continue to improve.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Claypool barely knew the playbook and was suddenly thrust into action out of desperation.
I’m willing to give him a bit of benefit of the doubt given the circumstances.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He still has slop at QB. I don't see Fields going more then he does now unless he has some sort of miracle worker. He was literally taking off the minute he had the ball not even going through his reads.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Not when he doesn't even go through his progressions. His first instinct is to run.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I agree Moore is nowhere near AJ Brown levels, but I would disagree strongly that he doesn't help Fields. Fields #1 WR for stretches last year was Equanimous St. Brown.
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
I think Moore could be as valuable as say Amari Cooper was, if we are just looking at guys who recently switched teams.
Fields is the best QB Moore has ever had. Not hyperbole, Moore has had:
Broken down Cam
Kyle Allen
Teddy
Darnold
Mayfield
PJ Walker
I'd take teddy and Mayfield over Fields and twice on Sundays honestly and thats not hyperbole. I just don't see the fuss in Fields. Seems like another one of those guys people hype up do to fantasy but real life at best might be AVG QB.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yep the Bears are doing what the Eagles essentially did in a way with Hurts last offseason. Build around him so if he fails its on him. If the Bears improve offensively around him JF really has no excuse why he shouldn't get better.
I agree Moore is nowhere near AJ Brown levels, but I would disagree strongly that he doesn't help Fields. Fields #1 WR for stretches last year was Equanimous St. Brown.
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
I think Moore could be as valuable as say Amari Cooper was, if we are just looking at guys who recently switched teams.
Fields is the best QB Moore has ever had. Not hyperbole, Moore has had:
Broken down Cam
Kyle Allen
Teddy
Darnold
Mayfield
PJ Walker
I'd take teddy and Mayfield over Fields and twice on Sundays honestly and thats not hyperbole. I just don't see the fuss in Fields. Seems like another one of those guys people hype up do to fantasy but real life at best might be AVG QB.
Doubling down on being wrong on Hurts huh
-OZ-
Footballguy
We’ll see. But if he doesn’t learn to, the bears next QB will benefit from Moore.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don’t quite get this take. Fields was an accurate passer at OSU and was not a run first guy. His stats were essentially the same as Stroud’s.I agree Moore is nowhere near AJ Brown levels, but I would disagree strongly that he doesn't help Fields. Fields #1 WR for stretches last year was Equanimous St. Brown.
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
I think Moore could be as valuable as say Amari Cooper was, if we are just looking at guys who recently switched teams.
Fields is the best QB Moore has ever had. Not hyperbole, Moore has had:
Broken down Cam
Kyle Allen
Teddy
Darnold
Mayfield
PJ Walker
I'd take teddy and Mayfield over Fields and twice on Sundays honestly and thats not hyperbole. I just don't see the fuss in Fields. Seems like another one of those guys people hype up do to fantasy but real life at best might be AVG QB.
The Bears had no one for Fields to throw to, the line was intermittently leaky, and he ran more. I would not conclude he is a younger Lamar Jackson based off of that.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Nailed it. Fields is going to have a great season. The o one was terrible and he had no one to throw to last season. Of course he ran all the time!I don’t quite get this take. Fields was an accurate passer at OSU and was not a run first guy. His stats were essentially the same as Stroud’s.I agree Moore is nowhere near AJ Brown levels, but I would disagree strongly that he doesn't help Fields. Fields #1 WR for stretches last year was Equanimous St. Brown.
I don't think this does anything to help JF. I don't see DJM as a game changing WR. He's a very good #2 WR I don't see him having the same impact as say AJ Brown to the Eagles had on Hurts did.
I think Moore could be as valuable as say Amari Cooper was, if we are just looking at guys who recently switched teams.
Fields is the best QB Moore has ever had. Not hyperbole, Moore has had:
Broken down Cam
Kyle Allen
Teddy
Darnold
Mayfield
PJ Walker
I'd take teddy and Mayfield over Fields and twice on Sundays honestly and thats not hyperbole. I just don't see the fuss in Fields. Seems like another one of those guys people hype up do to fantasy but real life at best might be AVG QB.
The Bears had no one for Fields to throw to, the line was intermittently leaky, and he ran more. I would not conclude he is a younger Lamar Jackson based off of that.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That’s the only thing that “scares” me about this deal. There’s a decent chance the bears take my guy at 9, Paris Johnson. But maybe they’ll go defense as their OL isn’t bad.
-OZ-
Footballguy
This, I can agree. If fields is bad they have two firsts which might be high. Possibly top ten - if JF is bad enough to need replacing. If he succeeds (which I think he will), those picks will address other needs.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Be that as it may, giving up the 32nd pick in the 2023 draft when you knew you were going to have a VERY high pick…is Claypool the guy you would draft with only 1 year of team control left versus any of the guys you could get in this years draft…for 4 years?
From my POV, Claypool needed to show something pretty quick for that deal to have been worth it. I can’t say that he did and CHI might be more inclined to see more of Velus Jones.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Never been a big Fields guy, but if they improve both their receivers and pass blocking OL this year he should be a good buy.
Capella
Footballguy
Come on man
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s at least borderline hyperbole.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, I don’t believe that for a second.
I'd guess yes to both. That's also how I'd describe Jalen Hurts as well.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
My answer will always be fantasy because the NFL doesn't award bonus points.
dmac37
Footballguy
I'm going to believe the reports on Fields over the top work ethic combined with his raw talent as a player to invest in. If Allen, Lamar and Hurts can be NFL QB1 FF studs why can't Fields. IMO he has more to work with than these guys. Allen has not been the same without Daboll, Lamar can not pass as an NFL starting QB, Hurts had less to work with compared to Fields as an NFL passing QB IMO.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I think he ends up being more of a better fantasy QB then Real life. He seems to posses that skill set fantasy owners covet for running QBs. I was offered JF with Moorney and a JAG off some guys I think he cut anyway for Etienne and Allen. It was a sucker trade. I had Hebert and Allen already + D Smith and Tyreke Hill. It's not a full dynasty league Keep Ten only so there was no way I had use for JF. If it was Dynasty he'd make a decent fill in depending on match ups if Herbert was injured. For years I would draft Rivers with Rodgers in case of Injury bye fill in. I think Fantasy wise he's good but shouldn't be relied on the whole season.
Real life thats just more tricky. There were a few throws he made that were good and I saw him pretty good vs the Eagles where he looked like a dear in headlights despite throwing 5 incompletions 2 were to Eagles defenders and most of his throws were dink and dunk. He had a nice long TD run but honestly the Eagles lost contain and it was some pretty **** tackling attempts. There were about 6 missed tackles where they tried arm tackling rather then wrapping up.
