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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)

Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
 
Tomlin playing with fire here. Would be so much easier to let Fields keep keeping until he couldn't keep anymore before making this pivot. If I'm Fields, I'm feeling pretty unfairly slighted right now, heading into a free agent year.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
You get outta here with your logic and reason.

Fantasy guys with Fields on their rosters know best!
 
Tomlin playing with fire here. Would be so much easier to let Fields keep keeping until he couldn't keep anymore before making this pivot. If I'm Fields, I'm feeling pretty unfairly slighted right now, heading into a free agent year.
The Steelers are averaging 298.3 yards per game. 26th in the NFL. That is behind Carolina. They're averaging 166.8 yards passing per game. 28th in the NFL. If he's playing with fire it certainly isn't a very hot one. I don't blame him for wondering if the offense might be more efficient with Wilson under center.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
The stats weren’t terrible but the actual performance on the field was. He’s afraid to push to ball down field or throw into tight windows.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
The stats weren’t terrible but the actual performance on the field was. He’s afraid to push to ball down field or throw into tight windows.
Oh. This is about Wilson? Sounds like you're describing someone else.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
You get outta here with your logic and reason.

Fantasy guys with Fields on their rosters know best!
His passing stats last year in Denver are virtually identical to Fields this year.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
His passing stats last year in Denver weren’t terrible. Better than any passing year Fields has had.
The stats weren’t terrible but the actual performance on the field was. He’s afraid to push to ball down field or throw into tight windows.
Oh. This is about Wilson? Sounds like you're describing someone else.
Nobody is saying Fields is a good passer either.
 
i wont wade into the should fields still be starting debate.... but should we still be rostering him in redraft? it feels silly to drop the qb6 (my format) qb. if i had to guess , russ will struggle to get this offense going as well... and the steelers probably go back to fields at some point. not sure what to do
 
i wont wade into the should fields still be starting debate.... but should we still be rostering him in redraft? it feels silly to drop the qb6 (my format) qb. if i had to guess , russ will struggle to get this offense going as well... and the steelers probably go back to fields at some point. not sure what to do
I think you got the right read on it and he's someone you want to hold if you can but roster constraints just squeeze you sometimes and one league I have him I have to cut either him or Blake Corum for a K and I hate idea of cutting any of them, think both have league winning type ability if things break right, and have been hard mulling it, have to decide Sunday morning if I know Wilson is for sure starting.

Saw someone in one of my redraft leagues already cut Fields for Maye last night.
 
Tough carrying 2 QBs in 1 QB redraft leagues so if he isn't starting I'd probably move on and pick him up again later. Unless you have really deep benches.

For fantasy if he is playing he can be top 5 QB any week and is a must start due to his rushing.
 
I really hope & expect this to blow up in idiot Tomlin's face.
Honestly, what's the worst that could happen? Wilson falls on his face and they're 4-3? Ok. Go back to Justin. If Wilson plays better than Fields has though and operates the offense more efficiently all of a sudden you have a team that could be a contender.

I posted the stats for their offense earlier. Those aren't "winning in the playoffs" offensive statistics.
 
I wonder how benching Fields would play in the Steelers locker room?
Probably quite well in the pass catchers corner.
Why? Because Pickens wants to drop passes from someone else?
You and I both know that Pickens struggles this season, at least in Pickens mind, are no fault of his own. He clearly and obviously needs a QB upgrade, he's being held back, he's not getting looks, he needs the ball early and often, he can't help the team if he isn't involved etc etc.
 
I wonder how benching Fields would play in the Steelers locker room?
Probably quite well in the pass catchers corner.
Why? Because Pickens wants to drop passes from someone else?
Drops are not an official stat but Fox has Pickens credited with 3 drops. Tied with players like Diggs, Jefferson, G Wilson,Reed. It's really not been much of an issue. Meanwhile Pickens catchable target rate is 61st in the league.
 
Never thought I’d post in the Fields thread since I have zero shares, but props to him for saying that if he had played better, they wouldn’t be having the conversation of who to start, and that he’s just got to keep working hard.

I’m now in Field’s corner. Go get ‘em, kid.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
 
I wonder how benching Fields would play in the Steelers locker room?
Probably quite well in the pass catchers corner.
Why? Because Pickens wants to drop passes from someone else?
Pickens problem right now isn't the QB. DJ Moore had his best season ever with Fields. Fields can support a top 10WR if the WR has talent AND has his head on straight.
Now do Darnell Mooney without Fields and PIckens with Rudolph/Pickett.

QB/WR pairings and success is not a one sized fits all. Moore ran shorter routes then Pickens, had a higher catchable percentage and 40% of his production was YAC.
 
Never thought I’d post in the Fields thread since I have zero shares, but props to him for saying that if he had played better, they wouldn’t be having the conversation of who to start, and that he’s just got to keep working hard.

I’m now in Field’s corner. Go get ‘em, kid.
Yeah. This is an example of why I just like to root for the guy. Definitely is not going to be a locker room issue.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
On FF Twitter there are Steeler stans excited about Russ so they're bragging about it by showing Seahawks clips from years ago. They should check out Denver "highlights" last year and try to internalize the difference between Sean Payton and Arthur Smith re:QBs.
 
Never thought I’d post in the Fields thread since I have zero shares, but props to him for saying that if he had played better, they wouldn’t be having the conversation of who to start, and that he’s just got to keep working hard.

I’m now in Field’s corner. Go get ‘em, kid.
He's one of the truly nice guys in the NFL. He's not going to make waves if Russ takes over.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
On FF Twitter there are Steeler stans excited about Russ so they're bragging about it by showing Seahawks clips from years ago. They should check out Denver "highlights" last year and try to internalize the difference between Sean Payton and Arthur Smith re:QBs.
This post is as if they've never seen Russ. Do you have him missing camp?

IIRC Wilson hurt his calf and played through it this summer to win the job then they said he pushed it too much and needed to sit n heal.
Am I wrong?

My head was wow ol guy must've dug deep and found something within to beat out Fields with a bum leg. With Fields' athleticism that's surprising.

Can y'all tell me more on this please?

And Arthur and Sean Payton have like one WR and QBs everyone questions yet people criticize them hard as if they have a different roster to work with. I'm fine good day bad day good play bad play but I did not think the Broncos would be .500 and the Steelers at 4-2 is nice. It all gets a bit much for me.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
So they are going to put in a QB who can't throw or run anymore, but might remember how to read defenses? And he's going to take that read of the defense and do what with it?
Russ can’t run as well but he can throw better than Fields I think. Not sure why they’d go away from what they have at the moment but who really knows what’s up with Tomlin.
Disagree that he throws better than Fields at this stage. There is really no evidence from his time in Denver to support it.
On FF Twitter there are Steeler stans excited about Russ so they're bragging about it by showing Seahawks clips from years ago. They should check out Denver "highlights" last year and try to internalize the difference between Sean Payton and Arthur Smith re:QBs.
This post is as if they've never seen Russ. Do you have him missing camp?

IIRC Wilson hurt his calf and played through it this summer to win the job then they said he pushed it too much and needed to sit n heal.
Am I wrong?

My head was wow ol guy must've dug deep and found something within to beat out Fields with a bum leg. With Fields' athleticism that's surprising.

Can y'all tell me more on this please?

And Arthur and Sean Payton have like one WR and QBs everyone questions yet people criticize them hard as if they have a different roster to work with. I'm fine good day bad day good play bad play but I did not think the Broncos would be .500 and the Steelers at 4-2 is nice. It all gets a bit much for me.
Sorry not sure what you're getting at or what you're asking me. My point here is that Russ has been horrible for the last few years. He is certainly capable of bouncing back from Denver form I just don't have faith in it that's all. That is independent of Fields.
 
Tomlin playing with fire here. Would be so much easier to let Fields keep keeping until he couldn't keep anymore before making this pivot. If I'm Fields, I'm feeling pretty unfairly slighted right now, heading into a free agent year.
The Steelers are averaging 298.3 yards per game. 26th in the NFL. That is behind Carolina. They're averaging 166.8 yards passing per game. 28th in the NFL. If he's playing with fire it certainly isn't a very hot one. I don't blame him for wondering if the offense might be more efficient with Wilson under center.

How is their OL been playing?

What is their record?

How has Fields directly contributed to that record?
 
Tomlin playing with fire here. Would be so much easier to let Fields keep keeping until he couldn't keep anymore before making this pivot. If I'm Fields, I'm feeling pretty unfairly slighted right now, heading into a free agent year.
The Steelers are averaging 298.3 yards per game. 26th in the NFL. That is behind Carolina. They're averaging 166.8 yards passing per game. 28th in the NFL. If he's playing with fire it certainly isn't a very hot one. I don't blame him for wondering if the offense might be more efficient with Wilson under center.

How is their OL been playing?

What is their record?

How has Fields directly contributed to that record?

Line looks middle of the road.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
I've said it before but I think it is convenient that Wilson is suddenly healthy before the Jets game. I do believe he was promised the starter role when he was signed/traded so now Tomlin is making good on that promise. But this is not an easy situation for Wilson. If they win then that is great for the team and Wilson keeps the job, for now.

If they lose and Wilson doesn't play well they can go back to Fields for an easier match-up next week.

Convenient timing all around for this scenario. Saves Fields from having to play vs the Jets.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
I've said it before but I think it is convenient that Wilson is suddenly healthy before the Jets game. I do believe he was promised the starter role when he was signed/traded so now Tomlin is making good on that promise. But this is not an easy situation for Wilson. If they win then that is great for the team and Wilson keeps the job, for now.

If they lose and Wilson doesn't play well they can go back to Fields for an easier match-up next week.

Convenient timing all around for this scenario. Saves Fields from having to play vs the Jets.
NFL coaches don't do this.
 
I really hope & expect this to blow up in idiot Tomlin's face.
Honestly, what's the worst that could happen? Wilson falls on his face and they're 4-3? Ok. Go back to Justin. If Wilson plays better than Fields has though and operates the offense more efficiently all of a sudden you have a team that could be a contender.

I posted the stats for their offense earlier. Those aren't "winning in the playoffs" offensive statistics.
I read your earlier post and you make valid points but (of course there's a but) having the #2 scoring defense and the #5 time of possession offense, even if it only leads them to being the #20 scoring offense, is a pretty good recipe for winning football.

Stifling defense and keep away offense can win you Super Bowls.

Honestly, the only thing truly missing from their approach is a competent running game outside of Fields.

Yes, I picked up Fields off waivers in both of my leagues and have a vested interest in his success, but that doesn't make me wrong.
 
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He's been terrible in the passing game, his entire career, zero anticipation. Now it appears even worse as he's afraid to turn the ball over. Sure they're 4-2, but I give credit to Pitt for giving Wilson a look. Fields is a ticking time bomb. He WILL lose you games at the most inopportune times. He can look special, and he can look like he's playing his first game in the NFL. Maybe the Steelers understand this, see this in practice, and feel like they're lucky to be 4-2 at this point.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
I've said it before but I think it is convenient that Wilson is suddenly healthy before the Jets game. I do believe he was promised the starter role when he was signed/traded so now Tomlin is making good on that promise. But this is not an easy situation for Wilson. If they win then that is great for the team and Wilson keeps the job, for now.

If they lose and Wilson doesn't play well they can go back to Fields for an easier match-up next week.

Convenient timing all around for this scenario. Saves Fields from having to play vs the Jets.
NFL coaches don't do this.
Yeah, coaches want to win. Especially at 4-2.

It’s a fun theory through.
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
I've said it before but I think it is convenient that Wilson is suddenly healthy before the Jets game. I do believe he was promised the starter role when he was signed/traded so now Tomlin is making good on that promise. But this is not an easy situation for Wilson. If they win then that is great for the team and Wilson keeps the job, for now.

If they lose and Wilson doesn't play well they can go back to Fields for an easier match-up next week.

Convenient timing all around for this scenario. Saves Fields from having to play vs the Jets.
NFL coaches don't do this.
Yeah, coaches want to win. Especially at 4-2.

It’s a fun theory through.
Yes, they do, in January/February. So why are they benching him if he gives them the best chance to win?
 
Dude can run, dude can't throw or read defenses...I think we'd all agree that he is a solid fantasy qb, not so much on the real football end.
No, I do not agree with this at all, thanks. Not remotely. He’s thrown some incredible passes this year. Some on the run. He’s displayed touch on short throws and accuracy on deep ones.

Pickens has dropped more than a few of them.

i think we can all agree that you haven’t been watching him play.
You must not have watched the Raider game, he missed wide open receivers and he had a INT at the goal line saved because a dumb DL hit him late. The INT had long been thrown and the roughing the passer call saved that and later led to a rushing TD for him. He was also saved by more stupid defensive flags that kept the drives alive that probably don't happen against teams not named the Raiders :wall:
That doesn’t mean I agree that he’s not a good RL QB.

I think Fields is doing an admirable job in a difficult situation.

I also believe Wilson is going to get sacked 4+ times against the Jets, and likely see the bench agains after this start.
I've said it before but I think it is convenient that Wilson is suddenly healthy before the Jets game. I do believe he was promised the starter role when he was signed/traded so now Tomlin is making good on that promise. But this is not an easy situation for Wilson. If they win then that is great for the team and Wilson keeps the job, for now.

If they lose and Wilson doesn't play well they can go back to Fields for an easier match-up next week.

Convenient timing all around for this scenario. Saves Fields from having to play vs the Jets.
NFL coaches don't do this.
Yeah, coaches want to win. Especially at 4-2.

It’s a fun theory through.
Yes, they do, in January/February. So why are they benching him if he gives them the best chance to win?
Obviously it seems like Russ will get his chance but has Tomlin actually said Wilson is the starter?
 

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