I posted a similar q in the Bears thread, but maybe better discussion for here. I think any of those teams could probably get him for their 2024 2 assuming the Bears retain the 1.1 via Carolina. I'm not sure if Chicago values him as a 24 2 + more or other teams do but I don't think it would likely take a 1 at this juncture.
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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (2 Viewers)
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Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
There's almost no downside in getting rid of Fields and going with Caleb or Drake. They're not going to lose less games because of the QB position. Resetting the clock on the rookie deal far outweighs any potential you might still think Fields has.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
downside is Fields has shown he can play at this level and getting him another weapon like Harrison could put him in great shape. However - new regime will likely want their own guy plus the contract reset - plus they should be able to get a 2d for him at least so thats even more ammo for the rebuild. Poor DJ Moore - cant get any QB for more than a yr it seems
Next Gen Stats
Justin Fields completed 14 of 16 attempts behind the line of scrimmage, both career highs.
Air Yards/Attempt: 2.7 (Career Low)
Fields completed every pass he threw to the middle & right side of the field (18/18).
#CHIvsMIN | #DaBears
Max Power
Footballguy
The NFL and QB market is so unpredictable. I feel like an early 2nd is appropriate value. However most teams with an early second also have an early first and will go QB there if they have the choice. Teams will middle first round picks probably aren't willing to give up their first, but a middle second rd pick is an underpay for a 24 year old starting caliber QB.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Wow, is this for real?
Boston
Footballguy
Not sure how I really feel about Fields but I know if the Pats end up at #3 and miss out on Williams and May drafting Harrison at #3 and trading for Fields if the new HC feels they can develop him is a strategy I am not going look down on.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Tampa has enough problems.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
I don't think he's shown much of anything. They scored 3 points off 4 turnovers last night. First team this season to win a game without getting in the end zone. He looks bad more than he looks competent.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
MHJr. is the worst kind of receiver for him. A route technician expecting the ball on time and accurate is not Justin Fields' specialty.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He has? Isn't that what everyone said when they got him D.J. Moore? Now he needs ANOTHER weapon?
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah, but that's not fumbles lost. He recovered some of those.
Max Power
Footballguy
Its this type of post that make me feel some team is willing to overpay to get him.
Team Chaos
Footballguy
I would much rather Poles brought in good offensive coaches to work with Fields than roll the dice on a rookie. Especially if that rookie has to deal with the same poor excuse for coaching that Fields has.
When you throw 25 passes out of 30 throws (not much of an exaggeration) to receivers behind the line of scrimmage your percentage and rating will be artificially inflated.
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Until they see why some of those numbers are high. 95% of your passes going behind the line of scrimmage doesn't really help you be a good QB.Its this type of post that make me feel some team is willing to overpay to get him.
But the front office hires the coaches. Chicken vs egg?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Maybe Im skewed as a Jets fan who had to watch Zach Wilson from same draft lol. Darnold was not as good as Fields has shown and in hindsight I wish they kept him, traded the pick or drafted Chase and never drafted Wilson. Even if Darnold remained lousy it would have been better so be careful.
In a thin QB league I definitely think Fields has shown he can play - is he a top NFL QB? No but Id take him over many of the lousy starters out there.
DJ Moore certainly has helped - but adding a Harrison would be huge addition.
I guess it comes down to would you like a Fields and Harrison or start over - as I said the new regime will likely want to start over. I do think several teams would be willing to trade a day 2 pick for Fields. Its that bad out there.
Fields is a talent and can do some elite things but he needs a system designed around him to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Something similar to what Baltimore did when they went all in on Lamar. The Bears have not done this and are still trying to put that square peg in the round hole. It's just not going to go well.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
So disingenuous though. He's 23rd in QBR. Better completion % than C.J. Stroud, ok? Stroud is averaging 8.4 yards per attempt (3rd). Fields is 7.1 (14th). Stroud is averaging 296.9 yards passing per game (1st). Fields nearly 100 less at 198.4 (26th). Just ahead of Zach Wilson's 194.4 and behind Aidan O'Cconnell's below the mendoza mark of 199.0.Its this type of post that make me feel some team is willing to overpay to get him.
12 passing TDs is also the same amount as not just Trevor Lawrence but Geno Smith.
He's so far from elite it's not funny.
Max Power
Footballguy
I think the Bears have already internally moved on. They keep saying all the things they need to see JF do to be the guy and then never give the opportunity in games to do those things. Coaches are coaching for their jobs at this point and the evaluation process is over.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
you could be correct - but why wouldnt they want him to ball out and do what he does best to maximize his value to trade him in offseason? Not to mention those internally deciding will likely not be the ones making the decision as theyll all be likely fired
Max Power
Footballguy
I agree with you, its cherry picking stats. I think its just reassuring (from a trade value perspective) to see that people who want to see the best in him can still oversell it well.So disingenuous though. He's 23rd in QBR. Better completion % than C.J. Stroud, ok? Stroud is averaging 8.4 yards per attempt (3rd). Fields is 7.1 (14th). Stroud is averaging 296.9 yards passing per game (1st). Fields nearly 100 less at 198.4 (26th). Just ahead of Zach Wilson's 194.4 and behind Aidan O'Cconnell's below the mendoza mark of 199.0.Its this type of post that make me feel some team is willing to overpay to get him.
12 passing TDs is also the same amount as not just Trevor Lawrence but Geno Smith.
He's so far from elite it's not funny.
Max Power
Footballguy
I wish I knew. The way this organization does things is mind boggling at times. These coaches are coaching like they might be brought back next year and that's a bigger concern than bringing JF back.
Best I can come up with is that the Bears know what JF is going to look like if he goes out there gun slinging and that won't improve his value. So clearly misuse him the rest of the year and hope other OCs get that "I can fix this" itch.
Chicago’s own pick is currently #4, may still can get MHJr there. Or there ARE other quite good WR prospects that will be drafted in the 1st round in this class.
As someone who may end up with the #1 in one dynasty league, I am really hoping they don't keep Fields and draft MHJr. That's probably my least favorite scenario outside of landing in NE and them keeping Mac for another year.
As someone who may end up with the #1 in one dynasty league, I am really hoping they don't keep Fields and draft MHJr. That's probably my least favorite scenario outside of landing in NE and them keeping Mac for another year.
steelcityman
Footballguy
NFL should give the fans a free weekend of the red zone for having that garbage on tv last night.
But, we all know nothing is free with NFL.
But, we all know nothing is free with NFL.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Vikings or Falcons will be picking up Fields when Chicago takes Caleb Williams. Fields will go on to out perform Williams in every way that season. People who drafted Williams will be blaming the coach/play calling/Bears org. People who hate Fields now will call him a game manager and give him no credit.
*then someone pinched me and I woke up* lol
*then someone pinched me and I woke up* lol
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Recent 1st round QBs whose teams gave up on them prior to their 5th year option:
Baker Mayfield - Traded for 2024 conditional 4th or 5th round pick
Sam Darnold - 2nd, 4th, and 6th round picks
Josh Rosen - 2nd and a 5th
Carson Wentz (your best argument) - 3rd rounder and conditional 1st rounder
If anything the Bears would be extremely lucky to get as high as a 2nd round pick, and considering how these guys have fared after their initial organization pawned them off I'd say teams will be even more gun-shy to give much more than a 3rd at best. Not to mention this draft is set to be ripe with QB prospects.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Ill be finding a different option.Fields is on bye next week. Then you’ll need to start him W14 when Kyler is on bye.
Eh I am not a believer in Fields so have no interest in really getting into this but I'd argue he's much closer in value to Wentz than your other 3 examples. Mayfield was in his 5th year option year already with questions on his shoulder which killed his value (and they'd already acquired Watson.) Darnold and Rosen looked like complete trash from day 1. But there will be plenty of round and round on this in the offseason I am sure.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The number of plays designed to throw the ball at or behind the LOS last night seemed really odd. Fields is not a great pocket passer but he has to be able to throw the ball down the field more. You don’t win many games with such a weird passing attack.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. I wonder if it's the lack of faith in him or the lack of faith in the running game and using it as a run. Was weird
Grahamburn
Footballguy
What does trash look like… 7-26 career record, 61% completion rate, 36 TDs, 27 INTs, 35 fumbles?
Max Power
Footballguy
To add some context... there was about an 11 game losing streak in there where his best WR was Equanimious St. Brown.
Thats the thing.
Bears have 2 firsts this year. Carolina's and their own. potentially both top 5 or 6 picks and a decent shot at the #1 overall
if one of these is actually the #1 overall they could take (in theory) the top QB (who is supposed to be the best weve seen in some time) and the top WR in the draft.
if that QB ends up being as good as advertised immediately this team becomes a playoff team. possibly a superbowl contender.
I guess the other option is you trade it away like they did with Carolina and get a bunch of picks, rince and repeat.
but lets be clear, the decision process is a lot different if they already have the #1 overall pick. If they have to trade up to get it, it is a completely different story because then you are(to some degree) letting the rest of the team go to fill the spot.
my assumption is that nice little trade done earlier in the year to bolster the defense was not done for this year but next.... This gives them the luxury to spend all that draft capital on the offense if need be. they could also trade down with their lower first rounder to get a handful of first and second rounders and draft O lineman. That's also a legit option.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
THIS. their version of a "run". I don't mind it, except Chicago was using this far too often when they were behind in down and distance. I don't get it. He had 100 yards passing in the first quarter alone and was moving the ball well. Why Chicago changed up their plan of attack for the next 2.75 quarters makes no sense.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The Bears don’t do Fields any favors with the horrible play calling. Fields is not a great QB but I would love to see him go to a real team.
The Eagles didn't give up on Wentz prior to his 5th year option, he signed a very large (top-5 QB money) extension.
Fields is a ton better than Rosen or Darnold. Probably not as good as Wentz looked when he was traded, so probably most close to Mayfield, however Mayfield had the extenuating circumstances of his idiotic front office actively badmouthing him while trying to trade him and waiting until the summer to do so.
I think a 2nd rounder (with a day 3 pick thrown in) makes sense, given he needs a new contract. Atlanta and Las Vegas feel like good fits, as teams who likely have too good of a record to pick a QB high.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Saw this making the Twitter rounds. Not trying to push a narrative just thought it was interesting.
Over their last four full games:
Justin Fields:
312 total yards/game
9 touchdowns
4 turnovers
Josh Allen:
300 total yards/game
11 touchdowns
6 turnovers
Over their last four full games:
Justin Fields:
312 total yards/game
9 touchdowns
4 turnovers
Josh Allen:
300 total yards/game
11 touchdowns
6 turnovers
FairWarning
Footballguy
The last paragraph I can get behind. Harrison is definitely in the JC mold. It’s hard to judge Fields at this point with a OC that isn’t suited to his skills. The contract issue is lurking also.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Not many early first round QBs have been traded recently. I just used the ones that were. A team like Atlanta that may win the NFC South and end up picking around #19 would make sense. It's likely they miss out on the top QBs and could make a trade for Fields. They love running QBs down there.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
That's some fine cherry picking.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. It's the path of using numbers to paint a picture. Ha ha
Wrigley
Footballguy
I smell a QB swap
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Keeping him only makes sense if he'll sign an extension equivalent to that of the #1 pick in the draft. Hint: he won't.
