QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

Maybe he will be Slash the second in Pittsburgh this season

Screw replacing Diontae. 2 QB sets, Pickens, Freiermuth and a RB. Get creative Arthur Smith.

Arthur kept going on last year about his master plan to have a positon less football team on offense. He may have been fired and kicked down a notch, but my man ain't giving up on a plan!

 

[travdogg]

Steelers have 2 capable starting QBs under contract for 4.5 million and invested essentially nothing for them. BRAVO!

If anything they actually gained capital, because they shipped their unstartable QB away for a better pick than the one they gave for Fields.

Just looking inside their division they are paying 62 million less at the position than Cleveland, while also having the better QBs,

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm not sure what I'm saying is the popular narrative, I feel like the minority in this thread. If they could've traded him for more they would have. Suppose they could wait maybe chance could get a little more later but doubt much more and they decided was time to move on

Certainly the popular narrative on social media, and in many of the posts in this topic.

I wouldn't be surprised if we hear rumors that they were offered like a 4th or maybe a 3rd weeks ago. The problem is they felt he was worth a 1st round pick in return. So they waited for that. And they waited. Then they watched QBs sign. They waited. Theeeeeen they realized maybe his value isn't as high as they thought. By then it was can we get a 6th? Ha ha

 

[menobrown]

They are not gonna pick up the 5th year option.
However, they could still extend him afterwards right?

Yes,mentioned this in another thread, it's what GB just did with Love.

Lock him on the roster but lessen the guarantees and 2025 cap hit being the goal.

 

[Stoneworker]

Steelers have 2 capable starting QBs under contract for 4.5 million and invested essentially nothing for them. BRAVO!

In a conference with Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Tua, Stroud, Rodgers, Herbert and Richardson.

BRAVO for "capable!"

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Having Fields sit on the bench for a full season learning from Russ (assuming Russ is in the teaching mood) is the best possible thing that could happen to him as a potential NFL starting QB. It doesn't help my fantasy team one lick, though!

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

200 days ago, people claimed Fields could win league MVP. Life comes at you fast.

 

[ghostguy123]

Steelers have 2 capable starting QBs under contract for 4.5 million and invested essentially nothing for them. BRAVO!

In a conference with Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Tua, Stroud, Rodgers, Herbert and Richardson.

BRAVO for "capable!"

They did as well at the position as they possibly could.
The GM deserves a nice bottle of scotch

 

[travdogg]

Steelers have 2 capable starting QBs under contract for 4.5 million and invested essentially nothing for them. BRAVO!

In a conference with Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Tua, Stroud, Rodgers, Herbert and Richardson.

BRAVO for "capable!"

I'd rather have what the Steelers have over the Jets given the Achilles, the cost and capital given up. Also, what has Richardson done?

I think the Steelers finish ahead of at least 3 of those teams. Kinda like the idea of just saying screw paying a QB and finding value. Its something different, and if anyone can pull it off its Tomlin.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Steelers have 2 capable starting QBs under contract for 4.5 million and invested essentially nothing for them. BRAVO!

In a conference with Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Tua, Stroud, Rodgers, Herbert and Richardson.

BRAVO for "capable!"

I'd rather have what the Steelers have over the Jets given the Achilles, the cost and capital given up. Also, what has Richardson done?

I think the Steelers finish ahead of at least 3 of those teams. Kinda like the idea of just saying screw paying a QB and finding value. It’s something different, and if anyone can pull it off its Tomlin.

Also if anyone can make Russ or Fields winners, I’d bet on Arthur Smith. Run the heck out of the ball, minimize the QB heroics, call deep shots off PA, and play great defense.

I could see a scenario where the Steelers are a playoff team this year with either Russ or Fields. I don’t see that as a Longshot.

Defense plays in the NFL, even in the modern game.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Look, I know he's not great but I saw a lot of guys play QB last year that are WAY worse than Fields.

I don't get the NFL.

 

[menobrown]

Having Fields sit on the bench for a full season learning from Russ (assuming Russ is in the teaching mood) is the best possible thing that could happen to him as a potential NFL starting QB. It doesn't help my fantasy team one lick, though!

Sorry if this was already mentioned but Fields has been on record as saying he models his game after Wilson. So he's problaby up for it and I think Wilson would be ok with it as well.

But one thing to keep in mind is that Wilson looks like the odds on starter right now and as such I don't think the Steelers want to put Wilson in limbo. In other words they don't want to likely rush to extend Fields, while indicating to Russ they just intend to suck a year out of him for $1.2m while he grooms his eventual replacement and gets kicked to the curb. Will be interesting to see how they handle the contracts of both of them, requires a bit of delicacy.

 

[fightingillini]

The Bears played this as arguably one of the worst hands of poker I have ever seen. Brutally bad. Like epic bad.

This.

And I knew the Bears would screw this up. They waited way too long and totally misread the market for Fields. You need to get at least a 3rd round pick, preferably a 2nd rounder.

 

[beef]

The Bears played this as arguably one of the worst hands of poker I have ever seen. Brutally bad. Like epic bad.

Flipped their 2 7 over for everyone to see after the flop showed A K Q and yelled "ALL IN!"

 

[Andy Dufresne]

IMO - Washington got more for Sam Howell.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

requires a bit of delicacy.

I was just thinking about this. Russ is kind of a weird dude. They definitely need to be gentle.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Bears played this as arguably one of the worst hands of poker I have ever seen. Brutally bad. Like epic bad.

Flipped their 2 7 over for everyone to see after the flop showed A K Q and yelled "ALL IN!"

See my Post above. I literally said this. lmao

 

[Mitchie]

Market is telling you what he's worth. He's a backup NFL QB, that's it.

Kinda. Timing is everything. They needed to strike before all the free agent QBs signed to leverage the best they could. They obviously overvalued him. That's when u adjust a little. It was a unique situation because the entire world knew he was gonna get moved. Just played this poorly. Imo

Do we know this to be true though? Were other teams offering more and Chicago turned them down?

 

[The Future Champs]

So if Fields sits for a year, what's his path back to starting? No one is going to sign him as a starter. Doubtful he gets brought in as legitimate preseason competition for a starting position. Sitting behind an old QB is probably his best chance.

 

[Snoopy]

For a 6th. Can be as high as a 4th based on playing time.

That’s a steal, right?

steel

 

[Da Guru]

Fields will play the Taysom Hill for Pitt role and get 10 rushing TDs out of the Wildcat, and throw a couple from fake Wildcats.

6th round pick? Da bears should have kept him, played him and let Williams sit a year and maybe his stock would be higher.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So if Fields sits for a year, what's his path back to starting? No one is going to sign him as a starter. Doubtful he gets brought in as legitimate preseason competition for a starting position. Sitting behind an old QB is probably his best chance.

I see a few paths to PT for Fields.
1. Put in fields if Russ looks bad, which he has in recent years
2. Sit Fields and have him learn while running the practice squad and getting occasional mop-up duty in blowouts (win or lose). Fields finally has time to be developed as a passer. Comes out stronger for it. Maybe takes over if Russ is ineffective.
3. Injury replacement - Wilson is 36 in November. Older dudes = slower to heal. He’s playing in a division with BAL, CLE, & CIN, at least 2 of whom have elite defenses. Russ could miss time.
4. Fields shows enough in practice for the Steelers to extend him an offer. Russ is gone in a year with zero ramifications, Fields starts in 2025

If Fields looks lost, they can ditch him in 2025 as well.

I see a lot of opportunity for Fields. Less so for Russ.

ETA - 5. Use Fields as a gadget guy. Slash II. He’s arguably one of the most dangerous guys on the team with the ball in his hands. Find ways to use him as a receiver and rusher.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Loser trade by a loser team (and GM). Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camels back and he gets fired. I doubt it though.

 

[-OZ-]

Chicago went from making phenomenal moves to get here to dropping the ball big time.

They’ll still be better off than last year but this was a mistake.

 

[The Future Champs]

Loser trade by a loser team (and GM). Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camels back and he gets fired. I doubt it though.

Wait, are you calling the Steelers a loser team? Cause that's kinda ridiculous, although I'll allow it if you live in Baltimore, Cincinnati, or Cleveland.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Loser trade by a loser team (and GM). Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camels back and he gets fired. I doubt it though.

Wait, are you calling the Steelers a loser team? Cause that's kinda ridiculous, although I'll allow it if you live in Baltimore, Cincinnati, or Cleveland.

What? I suppose I could have been clearer, but I pretty obviously meant Chicago. Hell, NE got a similar deal for Mac freakin' Jones.

 

[Bri]

Maybe he will be Slash the second in Pittsburgh this season

Screw replacing Diontae. 2 QB sets, Pickens, Freiermuth and a RB. Get creative Arthur Smith.

David Letterman's idea that became sort of a jokey obsession was two QBs and he'd ask NFL guests about it

 

[efactor]

So if Fields sits for a year, what's his path back to starting? No one is going to sign him as a starter. Doubtful he gets brought in as legitimate preseason competition for a starting position. Sitting behind an old QB is probably his best chance.

I see a few paths to PT for Fields.
1. Put in fields if Russ looks bad, which he has in recent years
2. Sit Fields and have him learn while running the practice squad and getting occasional mop-up duty in blowouts (win or lose). Fields finally has time to be developed as a passer. Comes out stronger for it. Maybe takes over if Russ is ineffective.
3. Injury replacement - Wilson is 36 in November. Older dudes = slower to heal. He’s playing in a division with BAL, CLE, & CIN, at least 2 of whom have elite defenses. Russ could miss time.
4. Fields shows enough in practice for the Steelers to extend him an offer. Russ is gone in a year with zero ramifications, Fields starts in 2025

If Fields looks lost, they can ditch him in 2025 as well.

I see a lot of opportunity for Fields. Less so for Russ.

Agree on bolded for multiple reasons:

-Wilson's physical skills have deteriorated. He definitely can't move like he used to and that was a huge part of his game. Also, his deep pass used to be a thing of beauty, but I didn't see that at all last year, although admittedly, I only saw a couple of his games in their entirety. No reason to watch them unless it was the only game on.

-Think Fields is just a better player with much more potential to be a true difference maker at this point.

-Wilson is just so friggin weird too, which makes him unlikable to a lot of his teammates. Seattle put up with it because he was playing at a high level but those days are gone. I mean a guy who gives himself the moniker of "Mr. Unlimited" has issues. I know players try to brand themselves, but that was off the charts idiotic.

 

[3nOut]

Why is everyone assuming the Bears even had an offer to consider? Maybe there were no other offers that were turned down and this WAS the best one out there.

 

[Bri]

The Bears played this as arguably one of the worst hands of poker I have ever seen. Brutally bad. Like epic bad.

Market is telling you what he's worth. He's a backup NFL QB, that's it.

I think @FarFromHome nailed it.

The popular narrative is what @Mitchie said, but the reality is the Bears screwed the pooch here. Just about any other team would have gotten more.

Had the Bears waited until the draft, they could have netted more in return from whichever team was unable to trade up.

That seems rather obvious. By dealing him now, they helped lower his value.

Bad play. Like all-in with 7-2 off-suit bad.

I'm not sure what I'm saying is the popular narrative, I feel like the minority in this thread. If they could've traded him for more they would have. Suppose they could wait maybe chance could get a little more later but doubt much more and they decided was time to move on

Yep he's worth what they got.

People still grasping though. I've already seen that the Steelers should trade him.

This concept that he's this awesome prospect is dead. What was Trey Lance traded for?

The common concept that they could have gotten more elsewhere is a bit much. The word has been out how long? And to assume only the Steelers talked trade w the Bears but if they called the other thirty teams....nope isn't at all reasonable.

Waited til the draft then his value goes up? Not a chance. Draft picks have more value during a draft than the entire rest of the year. Ol Ernie Accorsi used to say that every year and you could watch the Gmen try and use that.

Nah, backing up Caleb won't improve his value

 

[-OZ-]

Nah, backing up Caleb won't improve his value

Then let him walk after next year. They weren’t going to use the fifth year option anyway. Some team would have signed him in 2025, which should have given a decent comp pick.

 

[FarFromHome]

The Bears played this as arguably one of the worst hands of poker I have ever seen. Brutally bad. Like epic bad.

Market is telling you what he's worth. He's a backup NFL QB, that's it.

I think @FarFromHome nailed it.

The popular narrative is what @Mitchie said, but the reality is the Bears screwed the pooch here. Just about any other team would have gotten more.

Had the Bears waited until the draft, they could have netted more in return from whichever team was unable to trade up.

That seems rather obvious. By dealing him now, they helped lower his value.

Bad play. Like all-in with 7-2 off-suit bad.

I'm not sure what I'm saying is the popular narrative, I feel like the minority in this thread. If they could've traded him for more they would have. Suppose they could wait maybe chance could get a little more later but doubt much more and they decided was time to move on

Yep he's worth what they got.

People still grasping though. I've already seen that the Steelers should trade him.

This concept that he's this awesome prospect is dead. What was Trey Lance traded for?

The common concept that they could have gotten more elsewhere is a bit much. The word has been out how long? And to assume only the Steelers talked trade w the Bears but if they called the other thirty teams....nope isn't at all reasonable.

Waited til the draft then his value goes up? Not a chance. Draft picks have more value during a draft than the entire rest of the year. Ol Ernie Accorsi used to say that every year and you could watch the Gmen try and use that.

Nah, backing up Caleb won't improve his value

Well. I for one don't think he is this awesome prospect.. The main point of conversation is that we have 32 NFL starting QBs on this planet. Is he good enough to be one of those 32 NFL starting QBs? I believe so. I look at the current 32 starting QBs and I see at least 5 id prefer Fields over. At least. That alone is worth more then a 6th round pick. Bears played this poorly.

 

[fruity pebbles]

So he's worth the same as Mac Jones

 

[N Zone]

So if Fields sits for a year, what's his path back to starting? No one is going to sign him as a starter. Doubtful he gets brought in as legitimate preseason competition for a starting position. Sitting behind an old QB is probably his best chance.

I see a few paths to PT for Fields.
1. Put in fields if Russ looks bad, which he has in recent years
2. Sit Fields and have him learn while running the practice squad and getting occasional mop-up duty in blowouts (win or lose). Fields finally has time to be developed as a passer. Comes out stronger for it. Maybe takes over if Russ is ineffective.
3. Injury replacement - Wilson is 36 in November. Older dudes = slower to heal. He’s playing in a division with BAL, CLE, & CIN, at least 2 of whom have elite defenses. Russ could miss time.
4. Fields shows enough in practice for the Steelers to extend him an offer. Russ is gone in a year with zero ramifications, Fields starts in 2025

If Fields looks lost, they can ditch him in 2025 as well.

I see a lot of opportunity for Fields. Less so for Russ.

Fields can get back to starting the same way Michael Vick did with Philadelphia.

 

[Grahamburn]

So he's worth the same as Mac Jones

To the NFL. Yes.

He’s overvalued around here because he’s valuable in fantasy. But, a good real life NFL QB he is not. The league has spoken.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fields can get back to starting the same way Michael Vick did with Philadelphia.

By going state to state on a tour of middle schools, lecturing on the perils of dogfighting?

 

[dipandglide]

Fields price will finally be in line with what it should've been all along. This is a good situation and one I'll be buying into wherever I can.

 

[Harjiran]

Given the importance of the QB position, I'm really surprised at the low prices paid this week for former starting QBs like Fields, Howell, Pickett, etc. Some of these guys were first round picks who had some success on the field but apparently they've depreciated faster than a used Subaru. Are teams overvaluing unspent draft picks in the quest for a player's massive upside, or are they undervaluing young players with valuable NFL experience because that perceived upside has evaporated? Or are they right on the money in terms of these players' actual worth? I have no idea.

 

[IHEARTFF]

While it’s possible they never got a better offer, I have to think they could have gotten a 3 or 4 a month ago if they just said we’re moving fields bring your best day 2 pick.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

While it’s possible they never got a better offer, I have to think they could have gotten a 3 or 4 a month ago if they just said we’re moving fields bring your best day 2 pick.

Hard agree.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

apparently they've depreciated faster than a used Subaru

My 2005 WRX wagon is aging like a fine wine. How dare you, sir.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Interesting take here

Bears trade Fields to Steelers in a 'stunner'

Mike Florio reacts to Justin Fields reportedly being traded from the Chicago Bears to the Pittsburgh Steelers, questioning how Pittsburgh acquired the quarterback for just a conditional 2025 sixth-round pick.

www.nbcsports.com

Let’s go slash II!

 

[GregR]

Wow. I remember having to try to tell someone who thought he'd garner a 1st plus picks that they were way off. I never expected this though.

I agree with others indicating this was probably the worst time to trade him. Going into free agency I expect he'd have been worth more. Or wait until the top 4 Qbs are gone during the draft.

I'm going to point back to this post I made from this Monday. How much we want to believe Rapoport we can argue, but if he's right they didn't get serious about trading him until other teams were already filling their QB needs:

I know this is free agency, but figure a good place to share comments at Justin Fields.

Rapoport said earlier today that the Bears haven't really started talking about trades for Fields, that they are still focused on evaluating Caleb Williams and deciding what they want to do.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wow. I remember having to try to tell someone who thought he'd garner a 1st plus picks that they were way off. I never expected this though.

I agree with others indicating this was probably the worst time to trade him. Going into free agency I expect he'd have been worth more. Or wait until the top 4 Qbs are gone during the draft.

I'm going to point back to this post I made from this Monday. How much we want to believe Rapoport we can argue, but if he's right they didn't get serious about trading him until other teams were already filling their QB needs:

I know this is free agency, but figure a good place to share comments at Justin Fields.

Rapoport said earlier today that the Bears haven't really started talking about trades for Fields, that they are still focused on evaluating Caleb Williams and deciding what they want to do.

Yep. It sounds like they sat on their hands whole most all the other teams jumped at the FA QBs

it’s kind of insane if true.

And Florio is incredulous in my link above.
He said the same thing I did about waiting until the draft. In day 2, some team missed their QB. Some team failed to trade up. That team would pay more than a conditional 6th.

Madness. How does this happen at the NFL level?

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Wilson is on a 1.2 million dollar deal and Justin is on a 6 million dollar deal. As a Wilson manager, I would be much more worried than a Fields manager.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wilson is on a 1.2 million dollar deal and Justin is on a 6 million dollar deal. As a Wilson manager, I would be much more worried than a Fields manager.

Not to mention age & future upside.

 

[The Frankman]

Steelers acquired QB Justin Fields from the Bears in exchange for a conditional 2025 sixth-round pick.
The 2025 sixth-round pick can become a fourth-round pick if Fields hits certain playing time marks. The former first-round pick struggled to find much of a market during the first week of free agency but now has a chance to backup Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh following the trade of Kenny Pickett. According to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, Wilson is the Steelers’ starter, but it wouldn’t be surprising to see Fields get a crack at the starting gig at some point in the year. As far as their long-term futures as starting quarterbacks are concerned, both Wilson and Fields have something to prove in this upcoming season, and the Steelers, who often play themselves out of a top draft pick for a quarterback, are desperately in need of a long-term solution at the position. We are a long way from drawing any definite conclusions on how this situation could shape up, but Fields now gets a chance to turn things around with a new team, while the Bears have all but guaranteed they will take Caleb Williams with the 1.01 in next month’s draft.
- Ian Rapoport, Twitter

Ok so Russ still the starter, but with a shorter leash.

 

[GregR]

ESPN article:

The Bears had an additional offer with stronger draft capital from a team with an established starter, per a source, but chose to send Fields to Pittsburgh with the hope of putting the 25-year-old in a position to continue his development -- first as a backup to Wilson and eventually as a starter.

 

[Harjiran]

ESPN article:

The Bears had an additional offer with stronger draft capital from a team with an established starter, per a source, but chose to send Fields to Pittsburgh with the hope of putting the 25-year-old in a position to continue his development -- first as a backup to Wilson and eventually as a starter.

I find this difficult to believe but kudos to the Bears if true.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Steelers acquired QB Justin Fields from the Bears in exchange for a conditional 2025 sixth-round pick.
The 2025 sixth-round pick can become a fourth-round pick if Fields hits certain playing time marks. The former first-round pick struggled to find much of a market during the first week of free agency but now has a chance to backup Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh following the trade of Kenny Pickett. According to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, Wilson is the Steelers’ starter, but it wouldn’t be surprising to see Fields get a crack at the starting gig at some point in the year. As far as their long-term futures as starting quarterbacks are concerned, both Wilson and Fields have something to prove in this upcoming season, and the Steelers, who often play themselves out of a top draft pick for a quarterback, are desperately in need of a long-term solution at the position. We are a long way from drawing any definite conclusions on how this situation could shape up, but Fields now gets a chance to turn things around with a new team, while the Bears have all but guaranteed they will take Caleb Williams with the 1.01 in next month’s draft.
- Ian Rapoport, Twitter

Ok so Russ still the starter, but with a shorter leash.

A very shot leash.