QB Justin Fields, NYJ (6 Viewers)

[N Zone]

Tyrod Taylor, starts the 2nd half to save the day. 2 interceptions, 3 points, and a loss, and he gets to start this week. What a joke. The head coach would make his first good coaching decision if he demoted himself.

 

[wgoldsph]

Weird thread. Bread gets mold on it and every so often you get witch trials.

I think trials like the ones in Salem had better evidentiary standards for the prosecution than the pro-Fields folks here would have us use.

I would like to note I'm not pro-Fields, I'm anti-bad OC. Which is every one he's had.

 

[menobrown]

Excuse me, I meant the other stone age OC.

Here's my real question - since it's a "story" to you... How many teams would /improve/ at OC with any of these names at the position? 25% at most? Genuinely, which of these guys do you want for your team?

The facts are his OCs sucked

I don't in the smallest bit think Arthur Smith sucks as an OC so no it's not a fact. Smith also saw, up until the last season or two, several career best years out of players such as Tannehill, Derrick Henry and Jonnu. Smith could have had the NC head coaching job instead of BB, he's going to likely get interviews for a NFL HC job this off-season and I'll be surprised if he's not a NFL head coach again.

I'll give you most of his OC's sucked with the Bears but I think it was a joint effort, they made each other look worse. I also said two years ago that when Tyson Bagent got in for the Bears after Fields got hurt the offense looked like a smoother running operation.

It's all a "story" to me because none of it's based in fact, in fact you got some key facts wrong. It's just an opinion that his OC sucks and therefore he was groomed to not succeed, never had a chance,etc,etc. I don't agree. His biggest issues have always been a slow mental clock and just overall issues with seeing things clearly. That was not coached into him, this is who he was and still is and it's not any coaches fault. I put that in bold because that's the whole point, it's not and never was how he was coached, weapons. Some of you want to think it is, I'm legit shocked people actually think this way but cool, does not bother me if people want to believe what they want to believe.

 

[warpig33]

Not much to add but will say Fields seemed like a very nice and soft spoken person when with the Steelers.

But too nice maybe. The rap was his teammates all loved him but didn’t seem to have natural leadership abilities. Not an alpha personality that matters for a QB.

Yeah. He should be more like Trevor Lawrence.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

JF needs to go to a HC who specializes in offense.

I used to say stuff like this - I’ve lost faith that a rehabilitation is possible. JF is fundamentally broken. He looks shell shocked and seems either unwilling to scramble, or is being told not to scramble to disasterous results.

There was a point in his career in Chicago when it looked like things were clicking. He made DJM into a Bona fide stud WR1, and had a balance of passing to keep defenses honest and scrambled with the ability to house call at any moment.

But then watching him through his season in PIT, and now this disastrous start in NYJ, I don’t think there’s a there, there. He looks lost, and I think it’s a shame. At one point he had the potential to be a Vick/Slash/Hurts type of QB. If he was drafted by PHI or KC he’d likely be QB1-3 right now.

Instead he’s a hot mess, sees ghosts, and fumbles too frequently on the snap or when hit behind the line. When he does run he looks hesitant, and defenses don’t respect his arm enough for his legs to be effective in the slightest. And tbh he hasn’t given them any reason to respect his arm because he’s regressed as a passer.

It’s a shame. I really like the kid - seems like a good egg. I have nothing personal against him, and was among his most vocal supporters on here for years. But like so many other bright young talents, through a stretch of bad coaching, bad OL play, bad supporting casts, and his own bad play, he’s developed a lot of bad habits. And a lot of mental lapses that seem like the game just moves too fast for him because he’s trying to do too much on every play & it’s paralysis by analysis. He’s shown the ability to process at a high level in the past, but that’s when he let his natural abilities carry him. Now he plays without that flow.

I went back and watched some of his Bears highlights from that terrific season and he looked so comfortable behind center. Confident, commanding, no hesitation to let it rip to an open target, or take off scrambling when the coverage was tight. I see the total opposite now.

100% agree with this. I have watched his whole career. I made a rare move up in my dynasty draft to the 2.1 and was ecstatic that he made it to me. He helped get me two championships with his legs and throwing to DJM in Chicago. I think he has handled the press okay. He does seem like a good egg. The Jets are paying him pretty well, so he has that if this is the end of his career. I wonder if he can develop into a spot starter or backup for someone. He might stick around in that role for a few years. It has to be tough to see the quotes coming out from Woody. I think it is kind of difficult to walk that back.

 

[Kiddnets]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

true but upside is much higher than Tyrod - Fields is young and while looks lousy...has a high 1st rd pedigree and is owed $20M next year. He had some respectable times in the past and showed flashes of being a weapon. Tyrod is who he is - a JAG backup who is a FA next year. At the very least they need to see if Fields can get out of this funk and be a decent bridge QB for next year to a rookie or if they have to eat his contract.

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

 

[zamboni]

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

Indeed - Woody really put the screws to Fields yesterday, so I don't see how Woody would let them go back to him at this point.

 

[Kiddnets]

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

Indeed - Woody really put the screws to Fields yesterday, so I don't see how Woody would let them go back to him at this point.

droppable IMO after that destruction

 

[mjb03003]

At this point, would the Jets have any reservations about trading Fields for whatever they could get? When the owner dumps on a player publicly like that it feels better for all parties to break up. If he's dead to them anyway and they don't mind telling the entire world how they feel, they must be resigned to eating the remaining money on that contract? I'm not suggesting any team is going to trade for him with plans to start him, but as a backup or even a package player for designed runs he could have a home somewhere?

 

[nysfl2]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

true but upside is much higher than Tyrod - Fields is young and while looks lousy...has a high 1st rd pedigree and is owed $20M next year. He had some respectable times in the past and showed flashes of being a weapon. Tyrod is who he is - a JAG backup who is a FA next year. At the very least they need to see if Fields can get out of this funk and be a decent bridge QB for next year to a rookie or if they have to eat his contract.

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

I think Fields has shown that he's not going to turn into the answer at QB.

Best thing for him might be to take a couple of weeks off and let Tyrod demonstrate that he isn't the only problem with the Jet's offense and maybe come back in a few weeks and piece together whatever he can with a little less pressure and fan hatred.

 

[menobrown]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

true but upside is much higher than Tyrod - Fields is young and while looks lousy...has a high 1st rd pedigree and is owed $20M next year. He had some respectable times in the past and showed flashes of being a weapon. Tyrod is who he is - a JAG backup who is a FA next year. At the very least they need to see if Fields can get out of this funk and be a decent bridge QB for next year to a rookie or if they have to eat his contract.

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

I think Fields has shown that he's not going to turn into the answer at QB.

Best thing for him might be to take a couple of weeks off and let Tyrod demonstrate that he isn't the only problem with the Jet's offense and maybe come back in a few weeks and piece together whatever he can with a little less pressure and fan hatred.

Agree with what you are saying but apparently Taylor has a knee injury and is day to day.*

*Glenn has struck me as the least reliable head coach in the whole league on his injury info. Garrett and Breece are also day to day per him. Garrett got that label last week and did not seem close to playing.

He also said he knows who the starter is but is not saying .

 

[bolzano]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

true but upside is much higher than Tyrod - Fields is young and while looks lousy...has a high 1st rd pedigree and is owed $20M next year. He had some respectable times in the past and showed flashes of being a weapon. Tyrod is who he is - a JAG backup who is a FA next year. At the very least they need to see if Fields can get out of this funk and be a decent bridge QB for next year to a rookie or if they have to eat his contract.

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

I think Fields has shown that he's not going to turn into the answer at QB.

Best thing for him might be to take a couple of weeks off and let Tyrod demonstrate that he isn't the only problem with the Jet's offense and maybe come back in a few weeks and piece together whatever he can with a little less pressure and fan hatred.

Agree with what you are saying but apparently Taylor has a knee injury and is day to day.*

*Glenn has struck me as the least reliable head coach in the whole league on his injury info. Garrett and Breece are also day to day per him. Garrett got that label last week and did not seem close to playing.

He also said he knows who the starter is but is not saying .

It sounds like Glenn wants to start Taylor, but he can’t commit to it because of the injury.

 

[menobrown]

Problem is whats the alternative? Tyrod is just as bad, is 37 and a FA next year. Fields is in his 20s and they are on the hook to him for $20M next year. I play Fields to see if the light turns on and he can be salvageable in any way as a backup/mentor for a rookie next year. At worst hes an amazing tank commander.

This.

I don't even follow the rationale to bench him.

He's the highest upside QB on the roster. It's not like you have a young/rookie backup. And then if you're saying he's SO bad you can't play him--well, then he's the guy you want leading the tank job.

Obviously, how much that helps us in fantasy is hard to say. They play Cincy this week, which should be an absolute smash.

He got dropped in a league where I'm in full on stream mode. Kyler is hurt. Mac Jones was a huge let down. I'll probably burn a small amount of FAAB. and hope he gets another start.

What upside is there when the Jets haven’t scored a 1H TD since week one? This reminds me of Arizona and K Murray. The sample size is large enough, it’s not getting better for Fields and the Jets.

true but upside is much higher than Tyrod - Fields is young and while looks lousy...has a high 1st rd pedigree and is owed $20M next year. He had some respectable times in the past and showed flashes of being a weapon. Tyrod is who he is - a JAG backup who is a FA next year. At the very least they need to see if Fields can get out of this funk and be a decent bridge QB for next year to a rookie or if they have to eat his contract.

All this being said - the owner just buried him publicly so its essentially over for Fields

I think Fields has shown that he's not going to turn into the answer at QB.

Best thing for him might be to take a couple of weeks off and let Tyrod demonstrate that he isn't the only problem with the Jet's offense and maybe come back in a few weeks and piece together whatever he can with a little less pressure and fan hatred.

Agree with what you are saying but apparently Taylor has a knee injury and is day to day.*

*Glenn has struck me as the least reliable head coach in the whole league on his injury info. Garrett and Breece are also day to day per him. Garrett got that label last week and did not seem close to playing.

He also said he knows who the starter is but is not saying .

It sounds like Glenn wants to start Taylor, but he can’t commit to it because of the injury.

Maybe but he says he’s not telling for competitive reasons.

If Taylor is the guy can he both know he’s the starter this week but legit be in doubt to play? That does not seem to mesh, but who knows with this guy.

I’d hate for Fields sake for the team to decide to bench him but only play him because they have no other choice. That would not seem to be an ideal confidence building scenario.

But I also suppose there is a reality where after the owner threw him under the bus, and then backed over him, and HC wanting to bench him but had no other option that would allow him. And how this could all lead to Fields breaking point where he finally played like he don’t give AF and loosens up, runs, does not have a failure to launch. Which is what some of us thought after his dismal games against Denver, but was not to be.

 

[wgoldsph]

Excuse me, I meant the other stone age OC.

Here's my real question - since it's a "story" to you... How many teams would /improve/ at OC with any of these names at the position? 25% at most? Genuinely, which of these guys do you want for your team?

The facts are his OCs sucked

I don't in the smallest bit think Arthur Smith sucks as an OC so no it's not a fact. Smith also saw, up until the last season or two, several career best years out of players such as Tannehill, Derrick Henry and Jonnu. Smith could have had the NC head coaching job instead of BB, he's going to likely get interviews for a NFL HC job this off-season and I'll be surprised if he's not a NFL head coach again.

I'll give you most of his OC's sucked with the Bears but I think it was a joint effort, they made each other look worse. I also said two years ago that when Tyson Bagent got in for the Bears after Fields got hurt the offense looked like a smoother running operation.

It's all a "story" to me because none of it's based in fact, in fact you got some key facts wrong. It's just an opinion that his OC sucks and therefore he was groomed to not succeed, never had a chance,etc,etc. I don't agree. His biggest issues have always been a slow mental clock and just overall issues with seeing things clearly. That was not coached into him, this is who he was and still is and it's not any coaches fault. I put that in bold because that's the whole point, it's not and never was how he was coached, weapons. Some of you want to think it is, I'm legit shocked people actually think this way but cool, does not bother me if people want to believe what they want to believe.

I'm not overly impressed by someone who can see the talent in Henry, but not Bijan or London. As I said in my first post, the only reason he'd ever get to be a head coach again is because the league loves retreads. How's the steelers offense these past few years?

Take out Smith, who he played winning football with, and again, which of these guys would actually improve an NFL team? Sure it's not something I can "prove" mathematically, but I also can't prove mathematically I don't like the taste of dog ****, but I can just tell. If you genuinely feel like one of these guys sets their team up for success then we can have a discussion. Other wise you're arguing in bad faith as to if my personal opinion isn't the commonly held one - and one you hold yourself outside of this discussion.

I think Badget succeeding is all you need to know about coaching for the Bears - they're two different types of qb. Badget should have been either running a shell playbook or entirely too unathletic to match a Fields game plan. For a pro style qb to go into the offense and look better is a coaching issue.

As response to your bold - Good coaching puts players with slow processing into positions to succeed and then work to improve the players on field ability to recognize the game. It wasn't coached into him - a good coach would have coached it out of him.

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have. What bugs me is we're basically saying the same thing - the only disagreement is that I believe coaching matters to development and you seem to think that a good coach can't help a player's ability to process the game.

 

[Jewell]

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have.

What if the coaches did teach Fields the mental side of the game, but the lessons just didn’t stick? Just like there are bad coaches, there are also bad students.

Look at Kyle Shanahan. He’s arguably the greatest QB-whisperer coach ever, and even he couldn’t make Trey Lance look good. Not all students are the same.

It’s reasonable to conclude that someone who struggles with the mental aspects during a game may also struggle mentally to absorb his coach’s lessons.

 

[Dizzy]

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have.

What if the coaches did teach Fields the mental side of the game, but the lessons just didn’t stick? Just like there are bad coaches, there are also bad students.

Look at Kyle Shanahan. He’s arguably the greatest QB-whisperer coach ever, and even he couldn’t make Trey Lance look good. Not all students are the same.

It’s reasonable to conclude that someone who struggles with the mental aspects during a game may also struggle mentally to absorb his coach’s lessons.

/\Great point/\

Maybe Fields will get a shot to back up Trey Lance who'll be backing up Anthony Richardson for the... whoever the next genius is that thinks he can pluck the best athlete and teach him this quarterbacking stuff.

 

[menobrown]

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have.

What if the coaches did teach Fields the mental side of the game, but the lessons just didn’t stick? Just like there are bad coaches, there are also bad students.

Look at Kyle Shanahan. He’s arguably the greatest QB-whisperer coach ever, and even he couldn’t make Trey Lance look good. Not all students are the same.

It’s reasonable to conclude that someone who struggles with the mental aspects during a game may also struggle mentally to absorb his coach’s lessons.

Right, it's common sense and not so common to think coaches did not try.

 

[kyoun1e]

Glenn doesn't even announce the starting QB today. After this mess the owner created.

What a dysfunctional operation.

 

[menobrown]

What bugs me is we're basically saying the same thing - the only disagreement is that I believe coaching matters to development and you seem to think that a good coach can't help a player's ability to process the game.

I was really not looking to go down the rabbit hole of why Fields has not played well because of the coaching in his early years. Was really trying to focus my convo on how I don't think anyone should view him as their QB of the future just because he's young and has some positive traits. I was genuinely annoyed at some of my fellow Steeler fans this off-season at how upset they were when we did not retain him because I just did not think he was the answer to the long term QB situation. Just because he's younger then Rodgers and Wilson, he's just a bridge QB, like them. That's what I was mainly focused on discussing.

We don't agree on a few things, like Smith, but I think we've stated our opinions and can move on but because you took the time for a nice response I will do the same.

So to this part right now I go back to Jewell's response a few posts up. I don't think coaching can help everyone, don't think coaching can really help when stuff like instincts are just not present. Real life intelligence and fbi, instincts, mental processing in the field of play is not always the same thing and when you lack these things are what is likely the most mentally challenging position in all of sports it's hard to overcome. This to me is what Fields has shown he is, and it's not coaching that got him there, just who is and coaching could not help him overcome it.

Jewell referenced Trey Lance. You mentioned Fields being raw coming into the league but he actually had a decent amount of big game college experience. Trey Lance was raw but like Richardson, and not really like Fields, he was lacking big time in actual playing experience. But Kyle chose him because I think he saw him as having instincts and the mental aptitude for the position(had responsibilites pre-snap in college like an NFL QB), was a better canvas to work with. It's also why he initially likely wanted Mac. I don't think he ever considered Fields at 3 because I think he knew enough from game tape and interviewing him that he did not have those traits. He was right IMO.

And I want to be clear I don't think Fields is dumb or lacking intelligence. Not even remotely. Just not the same thing as instincts and processing speed needed to be an NFL QB.

 

[wgoldsph]

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have.

What if the coaches did teach Fields the mental side of the game, but the lessons just didn’t stick? Just like there are bad coaches, there are also bad students.

Look at Kyle Shanahan. He’s arguably the greatest QB-whisperer coach ever, and even he couldn’t make Trey Lance look good. Not all students are the same.

It’s reasonable to conclude that someone who struggles with the mental aspects during a game may also struggle mentally to absorb his coach’s lessons.

Right, it's common sense and not so common to think coaches did not try.

So you're saying if a random high school coach was his OC that Fields would still be the only one who is at fault here. That Tom Brady never needed BB or McDaniels to grow into the GOAT. That Josh Allen would have magically fixed his accuracy from year one to two if not for his coaching. Ridiculous.

These coaches never raised the game if ANY team they coached. They never made ANY qb better. They should NEVER have been in charge of a physically-gifted-but-mentally-not type of qb in the first place. It's like going out and getting an expensive new car and putting the cheapest tires, break pads, and shocks on it.

The nfl is full of a graveyard of qbs who never had a chance because of coaching, and we've seen how many former wash out 1st round picks have become legitimate starters when they find themselves... Finally with good coaches.

Btw, thanks for reminding me there's a bold function, I'm having fun

 

[menobrown]

Again, dude was raw and needed someone to teach him the mental side of the game. A good coach would have.

What if the coaches did teach Fields the mental side of the game, but the lessons just didn’t stick? Just like there are bad coaches, there are also bad students.

Look at Kyle Shanahan. He’s arguably the greatest QB-whisperer coach ever, and even he couldn’t make Trey Lance look good. Not all students are the same.

It’s reasonable to conclude that someone who struggles with the mental aspects during a game may also struggle mentally to absorb his coach’s lessons.

Right, it's common sense and not so common to think coaches did not try.

So you're saying if a random high school coach was his OC that Fields would still be the only one who is at fault here. That Tom Brady never needed BB or McDaniels to grow into the GOAT. That Josh Allen would have magically fixed his accuracy from year one to two if not for his coaching. Ridiculous.

These coaches never raised the game if ANY team they coached. They never made ANY qb better. They should NEVER have been in charge of a physically-gifted-but-mentally-not type of qb in the first place. It's like going out and getting an expensive new car and putting the cheapest tires, break pads, and shocks on it.

The nfl is full of a graveyard of qbs who never had a chance because of coaching, and we've seen how many former wash out 1st round picks have become legitimate starters when they find themselves... Finally with good coaches.

Btw, thanks for reminding me there's a bold function, I'm having fun

Have all the fun you want. I'm done discussing the topic of Fields lacking instincts and the mental aptitude for the position because of bad coaching.

 

[wgoldsph]

What bugs me is we're basically saying the same thing - the only disagreement is that I believe coaching matters to development and you seem to think that a good coach can't help a player's ability to process the game.

I was really not looking to go down the rabbit hole of why Fields has not played well because of the coaching in his early years. Was really trying to focus my convo on how I don't think anyone should view him as their QB of the future just because he's young and has some positive traits. I was genuinely annoyed at some of my fellow Steeler fans this off-season at how upset they were when we did not retain him because I just did not think he was the answer to the long term QB situation. Just because he's younger then Rodgers and Wilson, he's just a bridge QB, like them. That's what I was mainly focused on discussing.

We don't agree on a few things, like Smith, but I think we've stated our opinions and can move on but because you took the time for a nice response I will do the same.

So to this part right now I go back to Jewell's response a few posts up. I don't think coaching can help everyone, don't think coaching can really help when stuff like instincts are just not present. Real life intelligence and fbi, instincts, mental processing in the field of play is not always the same thing and when you lack these things are what is likely the most mentally challenging position in all of sports it's hard to overcome. This to me is what Fields has shown he is, and it's not coaching that got him there, just who is and coaching could not help him overcome it.

Jewell referenced Trey Lance. You mentioned Fields being raw coming into the league but he actually had a decent amount of big game college experience. Trey Lance was raw but like Richardson, and not really like Fields, he was lacking big time in actual playing experience. But Kyle chose him because I think he saw him as having instincts and the mental aptitude for the position(had responsibilites pre-snap in college like an NFL QB), was a better canvas to work with. It's also why he initially likely wanted Mac. I don't think he ever considered Fields at 3 because I think he knew enough from game tape and interviewing him that he did not have those traits. He was right IMO.

And I want to be clear I don't think Fields is dumb or lacking intelligence. Not even remotely. Just not the same thing as instincts and processing speed needed to be an NFL QB.

Honestly that was the response I was pushing for. I guess my thinking has always been that it's possible to gameplan around a qbs limitations as long as you utilize their strengths to the utmost. I feel that about pretty much every position, that a player needs to be put into position to succeed. Physical athleticism and drive are impossible to teach. Instinct isn't, but you can grind film for specific things that you want to avoid.

But I do see your point in that a smart coach wouldn't /want/ to babysit him through the process.

 

[Statorama]

Courtesy of Underdog NFL on X:

Woody Johnson on HC Glenn with Justin Fields at QB: "If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results."

It would have been just as easy to say something semi-positive and be constructive. Nah, lets burn this ***** down.

 

[Dizzy]

Courtesy of Underdog NFL on X:

Woody Johnson on HC Glenn with Justin Fields at QB: "If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results."

It would have been just as easy to say something semi-positive and be constructive. Nah, lets burn this ***** down.

Damn, you almost have to release the guy after that statement.

 

[N Zone]

Justin Fields: I didn't hear Woody Johnson's comments, he's entitled to them

Jets owner Woody Johnson's comments about quarterback Justin Fields made a lot of headlines on Tuesday, but none of them made their way to Fields himself.

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Jets owner Woody Johnson’s comments about quarterback Justin Fields made a lot of headlines on Tuesday, but none of them made their way to Fields himself.

That’s what Fields told multiple reporters at a Wednesday media session that he did not hear Johnson’s comments. Those comments credited head coach Aaron Glenn with turning some things around for the team, but “it’s hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that he’s got” and that “if we can just complete a pass, it would look good.”

Fields said that he was not bothered by the comments when they were relayed to him by reporters and that Johnson is entitled to share his opinion.

Johnson’s comments came two days after Fields was benched in favor of Tyrod Taylor at halftime of a loss to the Panthers and it seemed like an announcement of a lasting quarterback change would be coming as well. Head coach Aaron Glenn declined to name a starter against the Bengals on Wednesday, however, and Fields said that he and Taylor both took reps with the first-team during practice.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Weird thread. Bread gets mold on it and every so often you get witch trials.

I think trials like the ones in Salem had better evidentiary standards for the prosecution than the pro-Fields folks here would have us use.

I would like to note I'm not pro-Fields, I'm anti-bad OC. Which is every one he's had.

I feel the same but the flip side to that coin is most OCs and head coaches are bad without a franchise QB. But in the case of Fields, both sides are bad.

Taylor is bad too. Genuinely feel bad for Jets fans.

 

[Bri]

Kirwan and Miller said yesterday and today how he made progress in Pittsburgh and has just regressed with NYJ.
It's gonna be hard for him to overcome that and he needs to work on technique and everything he can so if he does get another chance, there's improved tape out there

 

[Runkle]

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[Max55]

What bugs me is we're basically saying the same thing - the only disagreement is that I believe coaching matters to development and you seem to think that a good coach can't help a player's ability to process the game.

I was really not looking to go down the rabbit hole of why Fields has not played well because of the coaching in his early years. Was really trying to focus my convo on how I don't think anyone should view him as their QB of the future just because he's young and has some positive traits. I was genuinely annoyed at some of my fellow Steeler fans this off-season at how upset they were when we did not retain him because I just did not think he was the answer to the long term QB situation. Just because he's younger then Rodgers and Wilson, he's just a bridge QB, like them. That's what I was mainly focused on discussing.

We don't agree on a few things, like Smith, but I think we've stated our opinions and can move on but because you took the time for a nice response I will do the same.

So to this part right now I go back to Jewell's response a few posts up. I don't think coaching can help everyone, don't think coaching can really help when stuff like instincts are just not present. Real life intelligence and fbi, instincts, mental processing in the field of play is not always the same thing and when you lack these things are what is likely the most mentally challenging position in all of sports it's hard to overcome. This to me is what Fields has shown he is, and it's not coaching that got him there, just who is and coaching could not help him overcome it.

Jewell referenced Trey Lance. You mentioned Fields being raw coming into the league but he actually had a decent amount of big game college experience. Trey Lance was raw but like Richardson, and not really like Fields, he was lacking big time in actual playing experience. But Kyle chose him because I think he saw him as having instincts and the mental aptitude for the position(had responsibilites pre-snap in college like an NFL QB), was a better canvas to work with. It's also why he initially likely wanted Mac. I don't think he ever considered Fields at 3 because I think he knew enough from game tape and interviewing him that he did not have those traits. He was right IMO.

And I want to be clear I don't think Fields is dumb or lacking intelligence. Not even remotely. Just not the same thing as instincts and processing speed needed to be an NFL QB.

Honestly that was the response I was pushing for. I guess my thinking has always been that it's possible to gameplan around a qbs limitations as long as you utilize their strengths to the utmost. I feel that about pretty much every position, that a player needs to be put into position to succeed. Physical athleticism and drive are impossible to teach. Instinct isn't, but you can grind film for specific things that you want to avoid.

But I do see your point in that a smart coach wouldn't /want/ to babysit him through the process.

Fields has now not been successful at 3 NFL organizations. Hes the common denominator.

 

[sm8680]

Woody Johnson: The NFL’s Gold Standard of Failure

Let’s get one thing straight: Justin Fields might’ve had one good year the 2023 Pro Bowl nod but even that comes with an asterisk the size of MetLife Stadium. Between Super Bowl opt-outs, injury replacements, and QBs ghosting the event like its jury duty, the Pro Bowl’s become so diluted that a practice squad clipboard holder could sneak in if he’s got a pulse and a jersey. Fields flashed some rushing brilliance, sure, but his passing game was still a work in progress.

But here’s the kicker: Fields isn’t the problem. He’s just the latest name on the long, sad list of quarterbacks sacrificed at the altar of Woody Johnson’s ownership.

Woody Johnson’s Resume of Ruin:

• The Jets have the longest active playoff drought in the NFL 14 seasons and counting.
• They’ve endured nine straight losing seasons.
• Johnson has fired multiple GMs and head coaches yet somehow keeps blaming the quarterbacks instead of the culture he created.
• In 2025, he publicly threw Justin Fields under the bus just seven games into the season, despite Fields having zero interceptions and a broken offensive system.
• He defended head coach Aaron Glenn while the team sat at 0-7, showing more loyalty to dysfunction than to results.
• Even Jets players voted him the worst owner in the NFL in the NFLPA’s team report card.
• Keep this in mind Aaron Rodgers and Justin Fields had winning records in Pittsburgh.

This isn’t just bad luck. It’s systemic failure. Woody Johnson’s Jets are where quarterbacks and apparently ex-Steelers go to die. He complains about QB play, but under his watch, the Jets have been a graveyard for signal callers: from Zach Wilson to Sam Darnold to Geno Smith to now Fields. The only blip of competence came in 2024, and even that was short-lived.

So yeah, Fields might be inconsistent. But Woody Johnson? He’s consistently awful. If NFL ownership had a Pro Bowl for futility, Johnson wouldn’t just make the roster he’d be the captain.

 

[dkp993]

A lot of the blame for Fields’s struggles is being placed on the Jets, their FO, and the coaching staff. OK, cool. But, shouldn’t the onus be on Fields and his advisors, too, for choosing the Jets? If he needs a few seasons under a better coaching staff, then he’s gonna have to accept that he’s not a franchise QB right now and take a backup gig.

I mean, I see a lot of references to Darnold, Geno, Mac, and the other successful reclamation projects, and the common theme amongst isn’t just that they ended up in better situations, it’s also that most of them had to hold a clipboard first.

I’ll answer this one.

40mil.

 

[bolzano]

A lot of the blame for Fields’s struggles is being placed on the Jets, their FO, and the coaching staff. OK, cool. But, shouldn’t the onus be on Fields and his advisors, too, for choosing the Jets? If he needs a few seasons under a better coaching staff, then he’s gonna have to accept that he’s not a franchise QB right now and take a backup gig.

I mean, I see a lot of references to Darnold, Geno, Mac, and the other successful reclamation projects, and the common theme amongst them isn’t just that they ended up in better situations, it’s also that most of them had to hold a clipboard first.

 

[bolzano]

A lot of the blame for Fields’s struggles is being placed on the Jets, their FO, and the coaching staff. OK, cool. But, shouldn’t the onus be on Fields and his advisors, too, for choosing the Jets? If he needs a few seasons under a better coaching staff, then he’s gonna have to accept that he’s not a franchise QB right now and take a backup gig.

I mean, I see a lot of references to Darnold, Geno, Mac, and the other successful reclamation projects, and the common theme amongst them isn’t just that they ended up in better situations, it’s also that most of them had to hold a clipboard first.

I’ll answer this one.

40mil.

Exactly. And that’s why it’s hard for me to be sympathetic towards him.

 

[steelwind]

According to Fields, he will be splitting reps at practice this week

A lot of the blame for Fields’s struggles is being placed on the Jets, their FO, and the coaching staff. OK, cool. But, shouldn’t the onus be on Fields and his advisors, too, for choosing the Jets? If he needs a few seasons under a better coaching staff, then he’s gonna have to accept that he’s not a franchise QB right now and take a backup gig.

I mean, I see a lot of references to Darnold, Geno, Mac, and the other successful reclamation projects, and the common theme amongst them isn’t just that they ended up in better situations, it’s also that most of them had to hold a clipboard first.

Three words:

“30 million guaranteed”