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QB Justin Herbert, LAC (1 Viewer)

Some idiot reached for him in my draft before I could reach for him… he is gonna be a monster!
Where do you feel is reaching for him?

I got him early 5th. As the 5th QB off the board.

I felt I reached slightly but knew for sure he wouldn’t be there for me end of the 6th.
 
Some idiot reached for him in my draft before I could reach for him… he is gonna be a monster!
Where do you feel is reaching for him?

I got him early 5th. As the 5th QB off the board.

I felt I reached slightly but knew for sure he wouldn’t be there for me end of the 6th.
Spot on ADP
where do you take to not reach your QB1? I went early as I was drafting in the dead zone 11 spot.
 
Some idiot reached for him in my draft before I could reach for him… he is gonna be a monster!
Where do you feel is reaching for him?

I got him early 5th. As the 5th QB off the board.

I felt I reached slightly but knew for sure he wouldn’t be there for me end of the 6th.
16 team league, so slightly QB premium based on attrition and how they come of the board in our league, the Big 3 went, I wanted to select him at the 2/3 turn (Pick 32) and he went 28th overall as the OB4.

I settled on Burrow but I i was on full tilt, I do love Herbert this year. I think its potentially reaching at pick 32 and I think he was a perfect pick at 28 as he wouldn't have been there in the 3rd for him
 
Some idiot reached for him in my draft before I could reach for him… he is gonna be a monster!
Where do you feel is reaching for him?

I got him early 5th. As the 5th QB off the board.

I felt I reached slightly but knew for sure he wouldn’t be there for me end of the 6th.
Spot on ADP
where do you take to not reach your QB1? I went early as I was drafting in the dead zone 11 spot.
The more and more I mock from the 10 slot (12 team) the more I plan on taking one of Lamer/Burrow/Herbert at the 4.3. I feel I can get the same level RB or WR at 5.10 that I can get at 4.3, but don’t love the QB falloff as much.
 
Some idiot reached for him in my draft before I could reach for him… he is gonna be a monster!
Where do you feel is reaching for him?

I got him early 5th. As the 5th QB off the board.

I felt I reached slightly but knew for sure he wouldn’t be there for me end of the 6th.
Spot on ADP
where do you take to not reach your QB1? I went early as I was drafting in the dead zone 11 spot.
The more and more I mock from the 10 slot (12 team) the more I plan on taking one of Lamer/Burrow/Herbert at the 4.3. I feel I can get the same level RB or WR at 5.10 that I can get at 4.3, but don’t love the QB falloff as much.
Same. I prefer Jackson but any one of the 3 I hope to have available at 3:10.
 
Justin Herbert completed 23-of-33 attempts for 228 yards and one touchdown in the Chargers 36-34 Week 1 loss to the Dolphins, adding five rushes for 18 yards and a touchdown.

Herbert’s sneak into the end zone in the fourth quarter saved an otherwise forgettable day against a middling Miami defense. The Chargers established the run early and often in this one; Austin Ekeler and Joshua Kelley combined for 32 carries and gouged the Dolphins for more than 200 rushing yards. Herbert attempted a few downfield shots early in the game but reverted to his checkdown tendencies, finishing the game with a 6.9 yards per attempt. It’s not exactly what fantasy managers had in mind in the Chargers’ revamped offense. Herbert gets the Titans in Week 2.

- Rotoworld
 
Justin Herbert completed 40-of-47 passes for 405 yards and three touchdowns in the Chargers’ 28-24, Week 3 win over the Vikings.

As The Ringer’s Benjamin Solak points out, Herbert’s 85.1 completion percentage on 45-plus attempts is a new league record. The Chargers needed every throw in a bizarre game they tried to give away at the 1:51 mark in the fourth quarter. That’s when coach Brandon Staley dialed up one of the worst fourth down attempts in league history, giving the Vikings the ball at the Los Angeles 24 down four points. Thankfully for the Bolts, the Vikings were even more inept. With Keenan Allen open at will, Herbert targeted his No. 1 wideout 20 times. The barrage was on even before Mike Williams departed with a third quarter knee injury. Williams was feasting, too, and his potential absence is looming large for the Chargers’ going-forward prospects. The Raiders are at least a soft Week 4 matchup.
- Rotoworld
Herbert now starting to heat up but will lose Mike Williams for at least a few weeks. SD might want to hire that consultant coach they hired for Hackett last year and have help him manage the game.
 
Justin Herbert completed 40-of-47 passes for 405 yards and three touchdowns in the Chargers’ 28-24, Week 3 win over the Vikings.

As The Ringer’s Benjamin Solak points out, Herbert’s 85.1 completion percentage on 45-plus attempts is a new league record. The Chargers needed every throw in a bizarre game they tried to give away at the 1:51 mark in the fourth quarter. That’s when coach Brandon Staley dialed up one of the worst fourth down attempts in league history, giving the Vikings the ball at the Los Angeles 24 down four points. Thankfully for the Bolts, the Vikings were even more inept. With Keenan Allen open at will, Herbert targeted his No. 1 wideout 20 times. The barrage was on even before Mike Williams departed with a third quarter knee injury. Williams was feasting, too, and his potential absence is looming large for the Chargers’ going-forward prospects. The Raiders are at least a soft Week 4 matchup.
- Rotoworld
Herbert now starting to heat up but will lose Mike Williams for at least a few weeks. SD might want to hire that consultant coach they hired for Hackett last year and have help him manage the game.
Guy needs weapons that can stay on the field. Same thing happened last year and Keenan not getting younger. Hopefully Quentin proves to be a reasonable pick. Herbert can throw it over a mountain, who stretching the field? Weird team makeup for his talent.
 
It is early, but I hope his career does not get wasted between revolving coaching/coordinators and not being able to keep talent around him. Stability is key for young quarterbacks and so far he has not had it. They are one Keenan injury away from being in a load of trouble.
 
Herbert now starting to heat up but will lose Mike Williams for at least a few weeks. SD might want to hire that consultant coach they hired for Hackett last year and have help him manage the game.
Guy needs weapons that can stay on the field. Same thing happened last year and Keenan not getting younger. Hopefully Quentin proves to be a reasonable pick. Herbert can throw it over a mountain, who stretching the field? Weird team makeup for his talent.
I think Guyton coming back could be a big plus for JH.
He has real speed and pretty good hands.
 
Herbert now starting to heat up but will lose Mike Williams for at least a few weeks. SD might want to hire that consultant coach they hired for Hackett last year and have help him manage the game.
Guy needs weapons that can stay on the field. Same thing happened last year and Keenan not getting younger. Hopefully Quentin proves to be a reasonable pick. Herbert can throw it over a mountain, who stretching the field? Weird team makeup for his talent.
I think Guyton coming back could be a big plus for JH.
He has real speed and pretty good hands.
Great point, he has made some big plays in the past.
 
I'm really leaning on starting Stafford against the Cards, over Herbert vs da 'Boys........good matchup for Staff, and Kupp back.
 
He's been solid each week from a fantasy perspective this year, unlike my argument the previous 2 years. Over 20 points each game in my league. Missed 2 bad ones to Allen tonight though. Those were on Herbert. Still, for most of the game he looked pretty close to elite and covered up a lot of offensive woes and mistakes against a good defense. His arm talent is incredible. I thought having Lombardi gone would help, but the head coach is still terrible. It might help if Staley learned to take points every now and then earlier in games, instead of going for it and pushing the issue when he doesn't need to do so.

Herbert has definitely not stepped up this season at the end of games, but the entire offense looks like a panicked cluster#### as well in these situations. The OL was completely overmatched and clueless on those last 2 plays. Not sure how much of that is on Herbert, and how much is on the coaching staff. Is it Herbert panicking and filtering out to the rest of the offense, or are they collectively poorly coached? It doesn't look like an offense being led by a so-called elite QB in a 2 minute drill should look, that's for sure.

I hope Herbert finds what's missing in these late-game situations and shakes the idea that he can't step up, because he's a damn fun QB to watch. I'd like to see him win, and win big. But something's missing right now.
 
... Missed 2 bad ones to Allen tonight though. Those were on Herbert. ... It might help if Staley learned to take points every now and then earlier in games, instead of going for it and pushing the issue when he doesn't need to do so. Herbert has definitely not stepped up this season at the end of games, but the entire offense looks like a panicked cluster#### as well in these situations. The OL was completely overmatched and clueless on those last 2 plays.
Herbert's placement of the football was NG. It seemed like they couldn't establish their short game. They've always been about applying pressure downfield & if the defense has it accounted for, Ekeler would often have a lot of time & space to exploit. He didn't look good either, his change of direction, quickness, speed.. those were all zeroes. He's a star(?), he looked like a guy you'd get off the scrapheap. Totally agree, 4th & goal has to be a play you know is going to scheme something open. Otherwise you kick the FG. That Dallas defense, if they can tee-off & drop numbers, the offense is usually in trouble.

Those last couple plays, w/o a chance to break them down, it's hard to say. However, in that situation often times the offense will take those short quick outs & get the clock stopped. Plenty of time, a split back set so your RBs or HB can help chip & force those edge rushers to funnel up inside. Which can make it easier for the QB to break contain, buy a little time, perhaps a two-way go? Wanting the clock to run the focus of the defense can often be the perimeter. That in turn can open up room to run inside.

The second one of those, I mean, the QB was under siege on the first one. Yet they go right back, there's Herbert acting like he's going to get thru some lengthy progression. They needed more of a max-protect, look for the sideline, then, once you have that front blocked, your RBs drift out into space. They did run some 12 personnel but it didn't seem like they were in something like that at the end.
 

As he should. He was Zach Wilson last night... made some nice throws, and then missed badly on the easy TD passes.
Those two misses to Allen down the left sideline were brutal. Wide open both times and easy throws. Airmailed both of them. Could have been 40 yards plus plays and possible TDs.
I had a prop bet on Allen for over 7 catches.

This was disheartening to watch.

But not as disheartening as him catching his 8th pass for 4 yards and seeing the Chargers accepting an offside penalty for 5 yards.
 

As he should. He was Zach Wilson last night... made some nice throws, and then missed badly on the easy TD passes.
Those two misses to Allen down the left sideline were brutal. Wide open both times and easy throws. Airmailed both of them. Could have been 40 yards plus plays and possible TDs.
Agree. Allen could have had a 40 plus point night.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
I feel ya and I agree he didn't have a good game last night. But his worst year is like 100X better than Zach Wilson's best year, and the team obviously believes in him considering the new contract etc. I'm not excusing him from criticism, but, I feel there is some sort of drumbeat out there for specifically Herbert and also Josh Allen where people just "can't understand" why a majority of fans/media believe these guys to be elite talents. They kind of have proven how good they are with ya know, numbers (and Herbert didn't need 2 years to get his career going like Allen).
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
Zach Wilson gets killed because he has games like this all the time. Herbert is getting killed because he had one game where his timing was way off after not taking any snaps under center for two weeks while he's dealing with a broken finger. I know it's on his non-throwing hand but I can still see how it could affect his timing on drop backs, transferring the ball from two hands to one hand, etc.

This game happened to be on Monday night football so everybody saw it, but I'm inclined to give him a pass and see if he gets it worked out over the next few weeks.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
But what we care about is fantasy, and he's the #1QB in fantasy on a ppg basis. If you drafted him in the fifth or sixth you're undoubtedly happy with the results to date.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.
I am with you. Its a certain subset of fans that feel they have a good QB, but the team just can't get playoff success. So instead of taking Criticism for their QB not getting them to where they need to be when it counts, they resort to "its a team game" or "The QB doesn't play defense" or "Its not his fault the ball got tipped and an interception happened"

Its annoying, but is what it is. Look up "QB Wins" all time leaders and its littered with HOF QBs.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.


Its annoying, but is what it is. Look up "QB Wins" all time leaders and its littered with HOF QBs.
It's also littered with good coaches and really good defenses for the most part, which is something Herbert hasn't had either of yet.
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.


Its annoying, but is what it is. Look up "QB Wins" all time leaders and its littered with HOF QBs.
It's also littered with good coaches and really good defenses for the most part, which is something Herbert hasn't had either of yet.
Also an offensive line where he isn't being pressured within 2 seconds after the snap the majority of the time
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.


Its annoying, but is what it is. Look up "QB Wins" all time leaders and its littered with HOF QBs.
It's also littered with good coaches and really good defenses for the most part, which is something Herbert hasn't had either of yet.
Also an offensive line where he isn't being pressured within 2 seconds after the snap the majority of the time
Which made it even a bigger surprise when they drafted a WR with their first rounder this year
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
QB wins is truly the only stat that actually matters.

if I'm a coach thats all I care about. Did I get the W?

sure for fantasy it isnt important, but you guys all need to remember that what is good for the team isnt always good for your fantasy team. The sooner you get that in your head the better.


Its annoying, but is what it is. Look up "QB Wins" all time leaders and its littered with HOF QBs.
It's also littered with good coaches and really good defenses for the most part, which is something Herbert hasn't had either of yet.
Yeah I am with you guys. I really think Herbert is a special talent. I dunno, I guess I'm annoyed at the weekly "how come the media gives this guy a pass" kinda arguments about guys that are obviously top tier QB's in the NFL. Its like once Brady Manning Rodgers and the rest of the old head QB's went out to pasture (and the fact its basically Mahomes winning everything else) people just are non stop bickering about some sorta power ranking of QB's. I hear very similar stuff about Josh Allen too. Its annoying lol.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
Zach Wilson gets killed because he has games like this all the time. Herbert is getting killed because he had one game where his timing was way off after not taking any snaps under center for two weeks while he's dealing with a broken finger. I know it's on his non-throwing hand but I can still see how it could affect his timing on drop backs, transferring the ball from two hands to one hand, etc.

This game happened to be on Monday night football so everybody saw it, but I'm inclined to give him a pass and see if he gets it worked out over the next few weeks.

Yeah, pretty much exactly what I said. Herbert playing with house money.

People won't realize that he (and Josh Allen) never won anything until the end of their careers. Right now they get a pass because they're fantasy football MVPs.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
Zach Wilson gets killed because he has games like this all the time. Herbert is getting killed because he had one game where his timing was way off after not taking any snaps under center for two weeks while he's dealing with a broken finger. I know it's on his non-throwing hand but I can still see how it could affect his timing on drop backs, transferring the ball from two hands to one hand, etc.

This game happened to be on Monday night football so everybody saw it, but I'm inclined to give him a pass and see if he gets it worked out over the next few weeks.

Yeah, pretty much exactly what I said. Herbert playing with house money.

People won't realize that he (and Josh Allen) never won anything until the end of their careers. Right now they get a pass because they're fantasy football MVPs.
Herbert is in his 4th year and Allen his 6th. They have some time to win a ring or two.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?
Herbert is really good, but it feels like he is the same QB now that he was three years ago. I agree with a take I read that said he came into the league as an A-/B+ QB and has stayed at that level rather than elevating. It just feels like he hasn't improved, and he throws a lot of INTs in the 4th quarter.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?

Not sure what the future holds, but he was not good last night. Can't miss wide open receivers in the NFL... can't do it.

Zach Wilson gets killed for games like this. Herbert playing with some house money right now.
Zach Wilson gets killed because he has games like this all the time. Herbert is getting killed because he had one game where his timing was way off after not taking any snaps under center for two weeks while he's dealing with a broken finger. I know it's on his non-throwing hand but I can still see how it could affect his timing on drop backs, transferring the ball from two hands to one hand, etc.

This game happened to be on Monday night football so everybody saw it, but I'm inclined to give him a pass and see if he gets it worked out over the next few weeks.

Yeah, pretty much exactly what I said. Herbert playing with house money.

People won't realize that he (and Josh Allen) never won anything until the end of their careers. Right now they get a pass because they're fantasy football MVPs.
Herbert is in his 4th year and Allen his 6th. They have some time to win a ring or two.

YES, and AGAIN... playing with house money, but TOO DATE, neither has won anything.

Initially ALL I SAID WAS... basically, Herbert stunk it up last night. That's all. Sorry I rubbed everyone's soft white underbelly the wrong way.

His hair looked great though (if that helps).
 
Not sure I'd make him top 5. Top 10 for sure and the stats bear that out,he's 9th in qbr since he entered the league. Certainly very good.
But The NFL is a what have you done for me today league. He's .500 as a starter after last night and there's that playoff debacle last year.
As a wise man once said,"You are what your record says you are". Right now,he's average,maybe a tic above.
There is a lot of people out there that do not believe "QB wins is a stat"

You are only going to go so far with not great coaching, but I take your point.

As far as NFL QBs not Fantasy QB's if I'm starting a team I'm only taking these guys ahead of him

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
I would take Herbert over Allen actually......but that’s my personal preference.

This kid is an absolute stud.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?
Herbert is really good, but it feels like he is the same QB now that he was three years ago. I agree with a take I read that said he came into the league as an A-/B+ QB and has stayed at that level rather than elevating. It just feels like he hasn't improved, and he throws a lot of INTs in the 4th quarter.

Consider:
  • In his first season, his head coach was Anthony Lynn (not good for passing QB)... but his OC was Steichen, which helped to offset.
  • In his second and third seasons, his head coach was Staley (defensive coach) and his OC was Lombardi. Not good.
  • In his fourth season, his head coach is still Staley (defensive coach)... but his OC is Moore, who was anticipated to be an upgrade, but has had mixed results so far.
No doubt, Herbert is partly responsible for his development or lack thereof, but IMO coaching has played a big part in it. I have come to believe that the level to which coaching impacts player performance is quite underrated. I mean, it's talked about, but I still think it is very underrated. Put Herbert on all 31 other teams with their coaches, teammates, organizational culture, media scrutiny, etc., and he would have different results, some likely better, some definitely worse.
 
Am I crazy, or are there a lot of people out there with a take like "I don't know what makes Herbert so special?" Seems crazy to me. Sure, he didn't have a great game to me, but he's a consensus top 5 QB lock for the future or am I the crazy one?
Herbert is really good, but it feels like he is the same QB now that he was three years ago. I agree with a take I read that said he came into the league as an A-/B+ QB and has stayed at that level rather than elevating. It just feels like he hasn't improved, and he throws a lot of INTs in the 4th quarter.

Consider:
  • In his first season, his head coach was Anthony Lynn (not good for passing QB)... but his OC was Steichen, which helped to offset.
  • In his second and third seasons, his head coach was Staley (defensive coach) and his OC was Lombardi. Not good.
  • In his fourth season, his head coach is still Staley (defensive coach)... but his OC is Moore, who was anticipated to be an upgrade, but has had mixed results so far.
No doubt, Herbert is partly responsible for his development or lack thereof, but IMO coaching has played a big part in it. I have come to believe that the level to which coaching impacts player performance is quite underrated. I mean, it's talked about, but I still think it is very underrated. Put Herbert on all 31 other teams with their coaches, teammates, organizational culture, media scrutiny, etc., and he would have different results, some likely better, some definitely worse.
Agreed. Staley is a lousy head coach and after they run him off, the Chargers should be doing everything they can to build everything around making Herbert the most efficient and productive player on the team. I'd like to see Ben Johnson land here and see what happens.
 
I don't get to watch many of his games but when I do I always come away with the same feeling. He's huge, he's insanely talented, he processes quickly and has a cannon for an arm, and I really do enjoy watching him. He reminds me a lot of Andrew Luck, in that he makes a couple plays per game that are very creative, the kind of "wow how the heck did he pull that off" type plays. But he needs to improve his touch on his passes. Feels like everything is thrown 100 mph.
 

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