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QB Mac Jones, SF (1 Viewer)

Perhaps Miami makes a play for Jones? I believe Lawrence has only missed one game in three years, so keeping high profile backup (if you can call him that) might not be the best move if you can get something of value for him.
 
Looks like I'm riding with Mac down the stretch. Lost both Lawrence and Dak in SF.

Great chance for him to audition for a bridge QB job next season.
 
Faust said:
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Mac Jones is 0-for-17 with five interceptions when throwing more than 20 yards downfield this season.
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which is why I'm crazily debating starting Strange over Kelce. Kelce has underperformed with a healthy Mahomes...with a banged up Mahomes, who knows. Strange had 12 targets last week and Mac will continue to lean on him (IMO) because he can't throw the ball down the field.
 
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Faust said:
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Mac Jones is 0-for-17 with five interceptions when throwing more than 20 yards downfield this season.
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which is why I'm crazily debating starting Strange over Kelce. Kelce has underperformed with a healthy Mahomes...with a banged up Mahomes, who knows. Strange had 12 targets last week and Mac will continue to lean on him (IMO) because he can't throw the ball down the field.
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Thinking the same. And outside of BTJ, there’s no one else really to throw to. And it’s not like they have an upper tier running game.
 
zamboni said:
Banger said:
Faust said:
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Mac Jones is 0-for-17 with five interceptions when throwing more than 20 yards downfield this season.
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which is why I'm crazily debating starting Strange over Kelce. Kelce has underperformed with a healthy Mahomes...with a banged up Mahomes, who knows. Strange had 12 targets last week and Mac will continue to lean on him (IMO) because he can't throw the ball down the field.
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Thinking the same. And outside of BTJ, there’s no one else really to throw to. And it’s not like they have an upper tier running game.
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exactly and the Raiders likely aren't going to go on long, sustained drives and shorten the game. Jax s/b able to get the ball and Strange get those 3rd down targets.
 
Not sure why I am posting this in a Mac Jones thread, but since most of the discussion today has been about Brenton Strange . . .

Scoring of each team's top TE week by week vs. the Raiders:

Hayden Hurst 2-33-0
Mark Andrews 4-51-0
Tommy Tremble 3-29-0
Blake Whiteheart 3-13-1
Adam Trautman 1-19-0
Pat Freiermuth 2-16-0
Colby Parkinson 2-32-0
Travis Kelce 10-90-1
Mike Gesicki 5-100-2
Jonnu Smith 6-101-2
Adam Trautman 1-3-0
Travis Kelce 6-68-0
Cade Otton 3-70-0
Kyle Pitts 4-29-0
 
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Picked him up for $403 (out of $1000) in my only SF dynasty league where I only have Lamar, Bryce and Shough at QB. Next closest bid was only $163 😬

Seemed worth it in a league where there are no QBs on the wire ar the likes of Zach Wilson, Cousins and Pickett.

Someone tell me it wasn’t a totally ridiculous move ;)

ETA: I’m crazy enough to actually be starting him over Bryce this week., trusting Shannahan’s track records with QBs.
 
Yeah, his aDOT is 6.61 yards. The only starting QBs with lesser aDOTs are Bryce Young at 6.46, Kyler Murray at 5.87, and Aaron Rodgers with a stunning 4.72.

So it’s not like he’s really lighting it up here. He is very competent as a backup for a few games; I’m just not sure he’s a guy you let other teams start game planning for.
 
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Dude, I don’t think he is and I don’t think it’s really all that close. Purdy is a system/Shanahan guy and benefits from it, but by most measures Purdy is a top twelve QB, and he’s most likely top ten and some argue higher than that.

I don’t think he’s top five or anything, but year after year, Brock Purdy’s stats, PFF grades, and evaluations are pretty up there.

I mean, it's every stat one looks at, and there's a gulf.

For 2023, of all quarterbacks with a minimum of 250 plays, Purdy was 1st in EPA/play at .29 and Mac Jones was 31st with -.18
For 2024, of all quarterbacks with a minimum of 250 plays, Purdy was 5th in EPA/play at .18 and Mac Jones was 23rd at -.01
For 2024, Purdy was 10th in PFF grades, I do not know what MAC got
For 2024, Purdy was rated the 14th best QB by NFL.com, Mac was 42nd

There's more and this year is tight, but that is what it is.
 
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rockaction said:
Yeah, his aDOT is 6.61 yards. The only starting QBs with lesser aDOTs are Bryce Young at 6.46, Kyler Murray at 5.87, and Aaron Rodgers with a stunning 4.72.

So it’s not like he’s really lighting it up here. He is very competent as a backup for a few games; I’m just not sure he’s a guy you let other teams start game planning for.
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This.

Shanny designed an excellent game plan and called a helluva game. Mac deserves credit for his execution and toughness. But he barely had to move off his primary target, and everything was pretty short.

It seems like there are some people here that want a QB controversy. But, I don’t see Mac being better than Purdy at anything. I’m open minded though, as I’m frequently wrong.
 
bolzano said:
rockaction said:
Yeah, his aDOT is 6.61 yards. The only starting QBs with lesser aDOTs are Bryce Young at 6.46, Kyler Murray at 5.87, and Aaron Rodgers with a stunning 4.72.

So it’s not like he’s really lighting it up here. He is very competent as a backup for a few games; I’m just not sure he’s a guy you let other teams start game planning for.
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This.

Shanny designed an excellent game plan and called a helluva game. Mac deserves credit for his execution and toughness. But he barely had to move off his primary target, and everything was pretty short.

It seems like there are some people here that want a QB controversy. But, I don’t see Mac being better than Purdy at anything. I’m open minded though, as I’m frequently wrong.
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I think Purdy is overrated. More a product of a good system than being a great QB.
Just like most wrs and rbs always do great in his system. Who knew coaching cld have so much impact on a players production.

Put Purdy on another team,hed be so so.
 
bolzano said:
rockaction said:
Yeah, his aDOT is 6.61 yards. The only starting QBs with lesser aDOTs are Bryce Young at 6.46, Kyler Murray at 5.87, and Aaron Rodgers with a stunning 4.72.

So it’s not like he’s really lighting it up here. He is very competent as a backup for a few games; I’m just not sure he’s a guy you let other teams start game planning for.
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This.

Shanny designed an excellent game plan and called a helluva game. Mac deserves credit for his execution and toughness. But he barely had to move off his primary target, and everything was pretty short.

It seems like there are some people here that want a QB controversy. But, I don’t see Mac being better than Purdy at anything. I’m open minded though, as I’m frequently wrong.
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Yeah, you know, I don't know the first thing so I gauge certain stats, coach rank ordering, and league opinion.

The stats tell me that when Shanahan is the coach, it seems the Jones and Purdy are tighter than one might think. I found it. In a combination of adjusted EPA and PFF grading, Purdy is 10th in the league and Jones was 14th before this game.

It's closer than one would think.

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1973385627245723775 (Adjusted EPA and PFF grade blend)

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1973386581789585456 (Adjusted EPA/play and the difference from expected EPA)

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1973388698923229211 (Adjusted EPA with more quarterbacks in the mix)

I'm really not sure of the average or how they scale it. I honestly don't know and that be something huge in the numbers, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
The amazing thing about the NFL is that teams are so starved for quarterbacks, you can revive a years-long mediocre career in three games.

Baker Mayfield was already good when the Browns ditched him, then went to a dumpster fire, then got a shot with the Rams.
Sam Darnold still hasn't proven he can win (or even play effectively in) a game that means something.

And I would argue that Mac Jones has played extremely well in three games, and there still shouldn't be a QB controversy in SF. I didn't see Jones make any throws where I thought "Purdy couldn't make that throw."

If Jones turns these performances into a good contract, more power to him. But it just takes a few great games for a narrative that took years to build to get thrown out the window.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
didn't see Jones make any throws where I thought "Purdy couldn't make that throw."
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This is accurate, but how often has Purdy done things Mac couldn’t?
I’m not ready to say Mac is better or even totally equal but for the value, Mac at whatever contract he gets is probably better than purdy at over $50 million per year.
Which doesn’t mean there should be a controversy, Brock’s contract is guaranteed iirc and it seems unlikely for any team to trade for him.
 
I came away from that game with a lot of respect for Mac Jones. He's one tough SOB. It's almost as if they got him out of a hospital bed and said suit up. Hellava performance. As for fantasy, if you want to handcuff him fine, but generally I don't have a lot of interest in Jones for fantasy. BUT, even though Jones has his own health concerns, Purdy may not be right for the rest of the season. If your QB room is bare and you own Purdy, you probably should be rostering Jones.
 
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RenegadeRoy said:
Offensive line is trash and the receiving core leaves much to be desired. Jonnu left him out to dry several times via drops/tossing the ball up for a pick. NO D looked real good on Sunday. Hard for Mac to do anything when he's got half a second to throw. I think him not throwing to the 1s much in preseason is showing with lack of chemistry with Agholor etc.

That being said, he's got decent pocket awareness and isn't afraid to take a hit.

I agree that next week the Pats are gonna get smoked... but that TB secondary is banged up bad and the Pats D doesn't look terrible so who knows.
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Mac got hit 9 times vs Miami, some were hard hits. It was worse vs NO. Why doesn't Josh mix in a few rollouts? He's a sitting target dropping back the same on every play.

I admire his moxie and ability to wait till the last second to throw, but he's gonna get hurt at this rate. His WRs are not that good, but the TE combo should top 10.
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From 2021.

Mac Jones has moxie, pocket awareness, and is not afraid to take a hit.
 
Mac Jones showing how poor the coaching in New England was when he was there.

Looked pretty good in Jacksonville last season and now in SF, amazing what some competent coaching can do for a QB

He is at the least a quality backup now, will be in the league for a few years. Good for him after the raw deal he got in New England
 
It's interesting to take a social media pulse check on this game. My takeaway is that they're going to get one or both of these guys put on season-ending IR at this rate. Ironic that people have been mentioning Purdy's "hospital balls" as if these guys aren't just trying to stay out of the hospital themselves.
 
Guss said:
Mac Jones showing how poor the coaching in New England was when he was there.

Looked pretty good in Jacksonville last season and now in SF, amazing what some competent coaching can do for a QB

He is at the least a quality backup now, will be in the league for a few years. Good for him after the raw deal he got in New England
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Matt Patricia as offensive coordinator and Joe Judge as an assistant to the offense in some capacity is the height of successful old guy arrogance that Belichick embodied. Have you looked those drafts during the time period of '19-'23 or so? They're a joke and so far away from consensus (almost always) that they were either getting kickbacks somehow, on drugs, or just thought they knew better than everybody. It was the third of those.

Those guys had only coached defense in their professional lives. What the heck did Belichick think he was doing?

What utter wankers. And I don't love Mac Jones, but he didn't deserve to have his career derailed and nearly ruined by that garbage.
 
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I came away from that game with a lot of respect for Mac Jones. He's one tough SOB. It's almost as if they got him out of a hospital bed and said suit up. Hellava performance. As for fantasy, if you want to handcuff him fine, but generally I don't have a lot of interest in Jones for fantasy. BUT, even though Jones has his own health concerns, Purdy may not be right for the rest of the season. If your QB room is bare and you own Purdy, you probably should be rostering Jones.
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Agreed.

It's often easy to overlook situation when a young QB comes into the league. And while Mac wasn't the direct successor to Brady in NE, he got there when the empire was in full crumble mode.

To the extent that he can reignite his career like Geno/Darnold/Baker have...that remains to be seen, but my guess is that he'll be someones QB1 in 2027.
 
Can’t beleive they gave Brock Purdy 50M a year when this guy can get 350 yards out of Mac Jones playing with absolute SCRUB receivers. Should’ve allocated the money elsewhere!
 
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Can’t beleive they gave Brock Purdy 50M a year when this guy can get 350 yards out of Mac Jones playing with absolute SCRUB receivers. Should’ve allocated the money elsewhere!
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I think when they watched Trey Lance, Jimmy G, Josh Johnson, Brian Hoyer, C.J. Beathard, Nick Mullens, and others they knew to grab and latch on to Purdy.

Jimmy G cost them a Super Bowl (if he makes a throw, they win) and another playoff run died in Los Angeles when everybody had exceeded expectations except for his own albatross self. He was awful during that playoff run also, IIRC, and it probably showed them they needed somebody decent—and decent doesn't come along too often.

It becomes easy to suck it up and say, "Yeah, this is our guy," when you've seen that you can't make soda without drinkable water.

eta* Purdy was like 1st or 2nd in EPA/play in 2023 and has been pretty consistently rated highly, although you can't control for Shanahan. You can't measure it. He's outplaying Mac Jones in some statistical gradations and measures that one might not think matter but do.
 
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