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QB Match Ups to Exploit/Avoid week 2 (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

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Did you have fun last week? Head still spinning from what you saw? Can you believe Tony Romo is the #1 QB in FF right now? Am I starting this thread off with too many questions?

It seemed like there were a couple of really great performances, quite a few solid efforts across the board, and several major disappointments. I still feel like QB is one of those positions where outside of about Peyton Manning you can really toggle with the guys you have on your roster.

Let’s roll into week 2 folks.

Must starts: As I mentioned last week, there will be very few players in this pool most weeks.

Peyton Manning: Mr. Manning, the Titans’ secondary…Titans’ secondary, Mr. Manning. Props to the posters that can predict when manning will have a quiet day. He is on the road…guess that might work against him.

Carson Palmer: Cleveland should pose absolutely no threat to him. They gave up 4 TD to Big Ben last week, can’t wait to see what CJ and Housh do this weekend. Chad has already said he will jump into the Dawg Pound…I’d pay to be sitting there when he does it…on 2nd thought maybe I don’t want to be there.

Strong starts/Likely starts: More than likely these guys should pay off this week.

Brett Favre: After watching Romo cut through the Giants like a hot knife thru melted butter, how can you overlook Favre this week? It is a road game and perhaps pride will rear its ugly head for the Giants but they likely have a 2nd string QB and RB which could create turnovers and a short filed for Favre to work. 250 yds and 2 TD in this one after he tossed for 200 and no scores last week.

Jake Delhomme: I wrote last week that Delhomme was going to surprise some folks and low and behold he throws for 3 TD. This week he has the Houston Texans who shut down the Chiefs last week but the Delhomme and crew are much much better than Kansas City and I expect Delhomme to have another solid outing this week. When Jake gets hot he usually stays that way for a little while. In 2004 weeks 8-12 he tossed TDs in the amount of 2-3-3-2-2 and avg in the neighborhood of 250 yds a week. Weeks 15-17 of that season he went 2-4-2 in the TD dept. In ’05 he went 3-2-2-2-3 in weeks 3-8 so my advice is to ride Jake while he is in the zone.

Tony Romo: The Dolphins secondary lost Y.Bell their starting Safety for the season…could have a big impact on the game. D.Darius, former Jax Jag, was signed. I don’t want to get the anointing oils out just yet for Romo and his owners but you have to think TO and crew can make waves in Miami. I would expect a solid day from Romo on Sunday with 2 TD likely and maybe more. However Miami is not very good right now so this game could get out of hand. They don’t have the weapons or QB to keep things close as the Giants did this past Sunday.

Tom Brady: He is playing the Chargers but I expect him to be able to move the ball thru the secondary. You can’t bench him after that display last week. It might not be a good match up but he is looking like a must start almost every week from here on out. We are not going to discuss the cheating incident either.

D.McNabb: Should bounce back this week. Trent Green almost had a good day against the Skins…I look for much improvement for owners this week with McNabb.

Middle of the Road: We at least want to talk about these guys a little before we decide to put them in. Several have some good match ups. I am just going to go in order of the games so this is not a ranking by order.

Alex Smith: After watching Delhomme dice up St Louis for 3 TD, one would have to consider Smith this week. Frank Gore lost his mom this week so he is either going to come out and run extremely hard to try and pay tribute to his mom…or his head won’t be in the game causing Smith to have to win it for the Niners…I opt for the 1st choice. Smith will do OK but don’t expect great things form him.

Marc Bulger: He didn’t look good last week, really. He missed a lot of guys and now he lost Orlando Pace, his LT and protector of his blind side…gone for the year! OUCH! Bulger scares me a little right now. SF has improved their secondary finally. Bennett was inactive last week, Bruce was quiet…the Rams don’t look good right now. I am not real high on MB this week, honestly.

Big Ben: Owners got a great game out of him last week but hold the phones a minute. If you think Roethlisberger is going to toss 4 TD a week, man you’re crazy. Doesn’t 160 yds and 4 TD seem a little odd. You don’t usually see that kind of TD output with only 160 yds passing. I know owners are running to start him last week and Cutler did score 300 yds on Buffalo…but owners might be chasing last week’s points a bit here. I expect more from the Steelers’ running game this week.

Matt Schaub: A guy I liked last week. This week he faces Carolina and this might seem like night and day compared to KC last week. I see a very mild day from Schaub and Houston on Sunday.

Vince Young: 78 yds passing last week. The Titans did run for 280 yds however in that game. I understand Indy is not a juggernaut on defense but I can’t see Young as a great play this week. I am interested in the board’s opinion on this…garbage time points at least? (Peanut Gallery nods heads)…OK, he is a decent play then this week.

Drew Brees: Should bounce back from a terrible game last week. Tampa Bay is not a good team and the Saints are going to want to get that taste out of their mouths. I look for a much improved performance from Brees this week. In 23 of his last 47 starts he has tossed 2 or more TD…and every time he has had a zero in the TD column since 2004, the next week he answers with multiple TD or crosses the 300 yd mark, put that in your pipe and fire it up. If he lays an egg again this week, we’ll start to worry…he won’t.

Trent Green: Was #14 last week for points…you could have done worse and many did. I know Dallas was torn up a bit last week but Eli Manning is a much better FF QB at this stage than Trent Green…and Green doesn’t have the weapons. You likely have better option than Green on your roster right now.

Matt Hasselbeck: He had 14 of his 18 TD last year in 4 games last season. He tossed 4 in the other 8 games…I’m just saying. He has not shown us that he can be relied on consistently as of late. He should do OK on Sunday, but what is OK? 6 TD in 7 games against the Cardinals…never more than 2 TD in any one game since he joined the Seahawks…I think he will be sort of middle of the road on Sunday.

Jon Kitna: Almost needs to be put up in the must starts every week I guess. Too many weapons to throw around at. He said this week that #11 is their star player and that if teams cover him or try and shut him down that they have 3 other WR they can go to…something close to that. They are not going to run at the Vikes so I expect him to wing it all over the place. He took a beating against the Raiders…sure hope he holds up.

Jay Cutler: Threw for 300 yds and a score last week…doesn’t have the same weapons at WR that Kitna had when he tore up the Raiders but I like Cutler to have another solid game this week. Will be interested to see what other owners have to sit on their bench to start playing this guy.

Matt Leinart: I just don’t trust him right now and Whisenhunt looks like he is going far away from the Denny Green playbook. I would really downgrade the Cards passing game in general right now.

Tarvaris Jackson: I know he has a nice match up but I pass.

Steve McNair: Also has a nice match up but with Clayton gimpy, I look for a healthy dose of the running game on Sunday. 21 of his last 30 games he has thrown for 0-1 TD…where is the upside? Bench him.

Rex Grossman: Has a great match up this week. I was wrong about him last week so this week Rex will do the right thing and hook up with Berrian and get back on track. If he doesn’t, it could spell the beginning of the end for him.

David Garrard: Pretty good match up this week…the Jags are in a must win situation this week and I expect them to get their running game back on track. A quiet day for Garrard and the WR crew.

Phillip Rivers: 28th last week…not good. And I don’t expect him to do well this week either. Rough start for Rivers’ owners.

Jason Campbell: Don’t like him against the Eagles on the road. I expect the Skins to rely on their RB to try and win this week.

Bad starts: Some are just plain bad QBs or truly bad situations and bad QBs.

JP Losman: Could have another quiet day in Pitt.

Joey Harrington: Really making the fans forget about Michael Vick.

Jeff Garcia: Bucs offense looks pathetic in the passing game.

D. Culpepper: Not this week

Kelly Clemens: Baltimore, his 1st start…no thanks.

Damon Huard: Likely will never make it out of this area all season.

Let it RIP!

 
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Thanks! Im trying to decide between Rivers and Grossman and will probably roll the dice with Rex. I have a feeling he bounces back this week.

 
thanks MoP. you are the man as usual.

7 qbs off the board early in the 7th round, I was 1 pick away from getting Romo but as always the guy right before me took him. As a result I kept going for wr and rb value and wound up taking Lienart/Lossman in the 9th and 11th round. It looks like I'm in some bad shape at the qb spot.

at least i have some good rb/wr value...

 
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I am kicking myself for not starting Big Ben last week. After watching the game, it is easy to explain the yardage. Starting on the other teams 30 does not leave much real estate before the end zone! The receivers would have added a ton of yardage to the totals if the distance down the tunnel would count because, they were behind the coverage all day.

 
Well done once again ... although I do expect Kitna to be in the top tier (for the exact same reasons you mentioned) and not just "Middle of the Road"

Keep it up :confused:

Disclaimer: Kitna owner

 
Thanks again MoP ...

I think my toughest decision this week is Grossman vs. VY. I see you've got both of them in the "middle of the road category" which is probably about right. I've had VY in the lineup, but my mind has been drifting constantly toward the side saying that Grossman ought to bounce back in a big way this week.

Pros & Cons:

** Both QBs playing at home.

** Grossman facing a weaker secondary (Patrick Surtain KC-CB health uncertainty???) and weaker defense overall.

** I'll give Grossman's WR's the nod over VY's receiving corps. I'd also give CHI running game the advantage over TEN (slightly).

** VY obviously has the rushing advantage over Grossman, although I get 6pts for all TDs (passing & rushing).

** VY probably will have the opportunity for some garbage time, whereas Grossman very well may be letting Benson / Peterson run out the clock in the 2nd half.

** Really not sure who's floor is lower between the 2 ... same uncertainty with who has the higher ceiling ... (I do lose 2pts for all turnovers REX!)

So at this point, here's how I see it playing out:

Grossman: 225-250yds, 1-2TDs, 1INT, 1fumble, 10yds rushing = about 15-18 points in our system

VY: 150-200yds, 0-1TDs, 1INT, 30-50yds rushing, 0-1TD = 14-17 points in our system

Any thoughts from others going through this one would be helpful!!

 
Thanks MoP! Great read!

I have both Ben and Romo and I'm trying to decide who to start. This read helps but my worry in both games is that Dallas and Pittsburgh start to run away with the game and pound the ball.

 
Thanks MoP! Great read!I have both Ben and Romo and I'm trying to decide who to start. This read helps but my worry in both games is that Dallas and Pittsburgh start to run away with the game and pound the ball.
I have the same two QB's. Right now Big Ben is in my lineup. I watched Cutler shred the Buffalo secondary, and thinking it should be easy pickin's for the Steelers. Only threat is a blowout and heavy lean on FWP, but that's always the risk with Pitt.Even with the loss of their starting FS, I see the Dolphins being an elite D at home. The front 7 always rises to the occasion. Can't remember too many QB's lighting it up in their stadium. I see hurried throws, sacks, and maybe fumbles/INT's. Romo will get some for sure, but don't think his prospects are better than Ben's. Also, as bad as the Cowbody D looked last week I think there's a good chance for Green/R. Brown, etc to hold onto the ball for awhile. We'll see.
 
Good effort - but REALLY Sean - you have to move Roethlisberger up to the second group. How many teams gave up more yards through the air than Buffalo last week? This week at home, I agree that the Steelers will run more, but I think they will pass enough to put Big Ben in the Top 10 (if not Top 5) for the week.

250 and 2+ TDs :lmao:

 
Sitting Young for Cutler.

I just like the match up for Culter better and they way that Indy's D shut down Brees & crew last week doesn't give me warm fuzzies for Young.

Also, the league that I have both in give -2pts per INT :lol:

 
Good effort - but REALLY Sean - you have to move Roethlisberger up to the second group. How many teams gave up more yards through the air than Buffalo last week? This week at home, I agree that the Steelers will run more, but I think they will pass enough to put Big Ben in the Top 10 (if not Top 5) for the week.250 and 2+ TDs :thumbup:
I think its a mistake to make assumptions based on a 4 TD 160 performance against Cleveland last week.
 
I've got an interesting decision to make. I've got Farve and McNabb. I wasn't impressed with McNabb. I understand he may bounce back but after watching about every snap of the Dallas/Giants game it's hard for me not to start Farve.

I mean, at the very worst Farve is going to have a decent game. No way he just flops and the Giants shut him down. In my mind, Farve is the better start than Mcnabb in this individual week.

 
BEN - agree

Like the analysis here.

BULGER - disagree, upgrade

With the Rams losing another CB yesterday (multiple fractures), and another servin' a 4-game...

I think Bulger will air it out, cause he has to.

Originally, I was thinking to avoid Bulger, now I think the Niner offense will gives the Jekyll, instead of the Hyde last week, and run up the scoreboard... Gore will be possessed, etc... the carpet... etc... SJax redeeming himself... the Niner D isn't THAT good. This is a shootout.

GARCIA - disagree, upgrade

Look for Garcia to post 275/2.6 with 30 yds rushing. The biggest reason alone, has zero to do with the Buc passing game, but the fact that Brees and Co will run up 35+ pts, and the NO secondary will make mistakes. Bucs still lose by a boatload... but something around 42-21...

BRADY - disagree, downgrade

Brady overrated me thinks.. Charger secondary/defense vs the Jets. San Diego crowd. Bolts will run a nice lead and alternate LT2/Turner.

BREES - disagree, upgrade

If you where you have him at... is true. Brees owners shoudl be VERY WORRIED. TB... if Brees doesn't post 300/3. Something is wrong with the Aints... as the clock struck midnight, and the chariot is back to a pumpkin.

 
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As for Vince Young: He did well at the end of last year against the Colts. I think his rushing yardage makes him a decent play every week, not to mention he seems to be their best goaline option. (FBG's scoring). He wont kill you this week against the Colts. I can see 15-20 points this week for Vince. I don't think the Colts D will look as good as they did last week. Tenn will run the ball right up the middle on the Colts (which is what you should do).

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Captain Hook said:
Good effort - but REALLY Sean - you have to move Roethlisberger up to the second group. How many teams gave up more yards through the air than Buffalo last week? This week at home, I agree that the Steelers will run more, but I think they will pass enough to put Big Ben in the Top 10 (if not Top 5) for the week.250 and 2+ TDs :pics:
I think its a mistake to make assumptions based on a 4 TD 160 performance against Cleveland last week.
Everyone is caught up in the 160 yds and is disregarding the 4tds. The 4 tds are more important because they show that the Steelers are using Ben in the red zone and not FWP. Even when the game was out of hand, the Steelers kept throwing the ball. The low yardage is simply an effect of the starting field position. If the Browns did not continually turn the ball over and have such a poor punter the yardage would have been higher.
 
The Scientist said:
As for Vince Young: He did well at the end of last year against the Colts. I think his rushing yardage makes him a decent play every week, not to mention he seems to be their best goaline option. (FBG's scoring). He wont kill you this week against the Colts. I can see 15-20 points this week for Vince. I don't think the Colts D will look as good as they did last week. Tenn will run the ball right up the middle on the Colts (which is what you should do).
You're mostly right - but the Titans really do a lot of misdirection plays against the Colts, and that is what gives the Colts D fits.
 
I'll reserve comment on the Browns... The Dallas #1 pick is looking great...

Wouldn't you bump up Alex Smith higher considering both starting CBs for StL are out?

 
In pickle. Small rosters (Can see in SIg)

Want to pick up Jake Delhomme for this week... Problem Is I not sure I can drop some one to do so.

Thinking going to have roll the dice with tough match for VY...

 
I have a bit of an embarassment of riches with both Jon Kitna and Ben Roethlisberger.

I too agree that Kitna will be slinging it all year - no matter the defense - but Big Ben is looking awfully good and with awfully good matchups.

Tough to decide. The Steelers have the easier matchup, but could end up just running the ball a lot. The Lions face the Vikings D which is very stiff, but my sense is that they they will throw it on anyone.

Tough to decide who to start. Yeesh.

 
Good list overall, the one change I would make is with Kitna. How is he in the 3rd group. I would put him towards the top of the 2nd group. With Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson, Mike Furrey, Shawn McDonald and Tatum Bell, (maybe a little Kevin Jones) and the Lions penchant for throwing the ball 40 times a game, it will be hard for Kitna to fail as long as he is under center.

I will be starting Kitna and Bulger. Before the season started I was overjoyed to have these two. Now I am loving Kitna, but worried about Bulger this season since I spent a high pick on him. Wishing I had waited and drafted Cutler a few rounds later.

 
This was quite helpful to me, because I was seriously wondering how you could put Kitna in the 3rd group against Minny; especially after lighting up the Raiders secondary. So I went back and rechecked his numbers against Minny and I'm glad I did. Last year against Minnesota Kitna went for a combined 519 yards, 2 TD, 6 interceptions. Like yeah now he has Calvin Johnson, but still those numbers aren't exactly awe-inspiring and definitely warrant some caution.

On the other hand, I disagree with the Brees ranking simply because last year he had a 300+ 3td game against TB. And really after the thrashing they received last week, who doesn't have this penciled in as a bounce back game? Finally though, realistically who would you start over him? Unless your in a start once or Dynasty league I can't see many owners having better options than giving Brees the benefit of the doubt here.

Great work though MOP.

 
Great work MOP!

I have a decision this week and this helps. I too agree Kitna will be slinging the ball but the OL has me concerned and my other QB Favre has a great matchup. This will probably be a dreaded game time decision, on my part this time.

 
I have Delhomme backing up Kitna in one league, but I have him paired with Favre in another and that could drive me to distraction. They are so evenly matched.

:thumbup:

 
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good post MOP- I'm going back and forth on Big Ben vs McNabb...this article put me back in the middle! gah!

 
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Let it RIP!
Good stuff MoP. Let me interject my thoughts...
Middle of the Road: We at least want to talk about these guys a little before we decide to put them in. Several have some good match ups. I am just going to go in order of the games so this is not a ranking by order.

Alex Smith: After watching Delhomme dice up St Louis for 3 TD, one would have to consider Smith this week. Frank Gore lost his mom this week so he is either going to come out and run extremely hard to try and pay tribute to his mom…or his head won't be in the game causing Smith to have to win it for the Niners…I opt for the 1st choice. Smith will do OK but don't expect great things form him.
St. Louis has lost both of their corners now with Tye Hill hurting himself in practice Thursday. Start the whole SF offense.
Jon Kitna: Almost needs to be put up in the must starts every week I guess. Too many weapons to throw around at. He said this week that #11 is their star player and that if teams cover him or try and shut him down that they have 3 other WR they can go to…something close to that. They are not going to run at the Vikes so I expect him to wing it all over the place. He took a beating against the Raiders…sure hope he holds up.
Minn owns the Detroit offense, which did nothing last season on the ground vs. Minn. Kitna could easily throw 50 times in this game. Start 3, possibly 4 (McDonald) WRs in Detroit as well.
Phillip Rivers: 28th last week…not good. And I don't expect him to do well this week either. Rough start for Rivers' owners.
I hope you all know where I stand on Mr. Rivers.
Bad starts: Some are just plain bad QBs or truly bad situations and bad QBs.

Jeff Garcia: Bucs offense looks pathetic in the passing game.
New Orleans stopped who last week? Exactly. I like him to have a decent game.My :lmao:

 
yesitsme said:
I've got an interesting decision to make. I've got Farve and McNabb. I wasn't impressed with McNabb. I understand he may bounce back but after watching about every snap of the Dallas/Giants game it's hard for me not to start Farve.

I mean, at the very worst Farve is going to have a decent game. No way he just flops and the Giants shut him down. In my mind, Farve is the better start than Mcnabb in this individual week.
:unsure:
 
I think Losman will bounce back and have a nice game. The Steelers corners can be beat deep and Lee Evans should exploit that. Wouldn't it a safe bet to assume that the Bills will be emotionally fired up and go out there to win one for Kevin Everett?

 
This thread has really caught some fire today with everyone's opinions. I am going to try and clean some of this up. Let's look at the passing yds allowed by these defenses and see if we can draw some conclusions.

JAX: Only gave up 68 yds last week however Young only threw it 18 times, completing 60% of the passes. And the Titans ran for 280 so I have no real clue how good or bad the Jags pass defense is right now.

Denver: Also gave up only 72 yds last week but Losman only slung it 21 times...however the combo of Bailey and Bly might evoke nightmares of Hayes/Haynes from the old Raiders days. CulPepp will have his work cut out this week.

San Fran: Sign Clement and only give up 100 yds to the Cards who have quite a collection of weapons at WR...you have to take notice. 28 passes were attempted and they only allowed a 50% completion rate. Bulger looks like he might have a mild day here.

Arizona: Gave up 102 yds and 48% completion...was Alex Smith the true test for them? Hasselbeck doesn't typically have big games against the Cards though.

San Diego: Destroyed Rex Grossman...122 yds allowed. Tom Brady will be a better test for these guys.

Houston: 147 yds, but allowed a 66% completion ratio. Did have 3 sacks in the game so it looks like the pass rush is better. I still think Delhomme and SMith will prove them pretty average this week when they hit the road.

Cleveland: 159 yds, sure, but 4 TD. Only allowed 52% completion ratio though...something for all those Big Ben owners to think about this week. I'm sure Palmer will do fine.

Carolina: Now here is what I like...162 yds but on 42 attempts...WOW! They actually got tested very hard last week. 52% completion ratio too. Matt Schaub may be in for a quiet day this week.

Atlanta: 163 yds but is Tarvaris Jackson a good test for anything right now. They see garrard next, not much difference.

New England: Can be passed on. 167 yds but a 67% completion ratio...the Jets should have thrown more...wonder if Rivers can get things going. They did register 5 sacks in the game but gave up 2 TD as well. Were ahead the whole game so maybe they can tighten it up.

Philly: Again, here is a team that had 42 attempts against them and only gave up 169 against Favre. Jason Campbell should be silent on MNF.

Minnesota: Gave up a 71% completion ratio to Joey Harrington :no: ...but they did run 2 back for scores. Detroit has not fared well against the Vikes but maybe on Sunday they can get that turned around.

Pittsburgh: They played Cleveland...

Green Bay: Held mcNabb to only a 45% ratio on 33 attempts. They are far from awful on defense right now.

Baltimore: 2 TD/181 to Cinci is not that bad really. 62% completion ratio is however.

Chicago: As long as LJ doesn't throw a HB pass to Gonzo they should be fine. 70%+ completion ratio last week.

Indy: Bend but don't break. 41 attempts for only 187 yds but just a little South of 70% on the CR last week.

Seattle: Almost 200 yds and a CR against them but 5 sacks in that game. Who are their DEs? If Zona wants to, I think they can get back on track this week. I just question what Whisenhunt is doing right now.

Tennessee: We'll see them exposed for real this weekend against Manning and crew. Let's look at their numbers next week.

St.Louis: 200 yds but 3 TD, and no sacks...if Alex SMith is ever going to make a splash...this would be the week for him to do it really.

Tampa Bay: 70% CR, New Orleans will be licking their chops in the C.I.T.S. on Sunday.

Kansas City: Only were thrown against 22 times but enough damage was caused on those attempts. 72% CR, Grossman should answer the call this week.

Cincinnati: Everyone spoke about how bad they were but they were thrown on 40 times and only allowed a 55% CR, which makes their 207 yds seem small. 2 sacks and 2 picks 2 boot. I wouldn't think Anderson or Quinn will have it super easy this week.

Washington: 63% CR, 207 yds...McNabb should be able to open their secondary up.

Miami: Only saw 21 passes thrown at them...Dallas will be a much better gauge of where they are at.

Detroit: 75% CR on 40 attempts by McCown? Maybe TJax is the sneaky play this week...

Oakland: Were abused last week, now they travel to Denver...could be a long season for Raiders fans...but they are used to it. I still think Cutler will be up and down, wouldn't bank on 300 yds from him all the time.

New Orleans: Gave up 288 and 3 TD to Manning, 60% CR...Garcia is not Manning, Galloway is not Harrison, and TB WR2 is not Reggie Wayne.

NY Jets: Almost 80% CR, nearly 300 yds, and 3 TD...the Ravens have no one named Moss however so I expect them to bounce back a bit this week. Especially if Kyle Boller is under center.

Buffalo: Only gave up a 59% CR...about 300 yds...who are we kidding, without Nate they are a time bomb waiting to IMPLODE, maybe Big Ben will throw 6 or 7 scores this week. I still vote FWP will take some of the steam from Ben but we will see.

Dallas: Abused for 4 TD and 300+ yds...I just don't see Trent Green putting on a high octane performance on Sunday.

New York Giants: Only thrown on for 24 attempts, yet they gave up 336 yds and 4 TD thru the air. Favre will not do the same thing Romo did but he should have some success in the Meadowlands.

That should help with a lot of the previous posts. I will be around this wekend...had a short circuit in my broadband last Saturday and was without the internet for 5 days... :yucky: :rant: :X It's good to be back up.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
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Let it RIP!
Good stuff MoP. Let me interject my thoughts...
Middle of the Road: We at least want to talk about these guys a little before we decide to put them in. Several have some good match ups. I am just going to go in order of the games so this is not a ranking by order.

Alex Smith: After watching Delhomme dice up St Louis for 3 TD, one would have to consider Smith this week. Frank Gore lost his mom this week so he is either going to come out and run extremely hard to try and pay tribute to his mom…or his head won't be in the game causing Smith to have to win it for the Niners…I opt for the 1st choice. Smith will do OK but don't expect great things form him.
St. Louis has lost both of their corners now with Tye Hill hurting himself in practice Thursday. Start the whole SF offense.
Jon Kitna: Almost needs to be put up in the must starts every week I guess. Too many weapons to throw around at. He said this week that #11 is their star player and that if teams cover him or try and shut him down that they have 3 other WR they can go to…something close to that. They are not going to run at the Vikes so I expect him to wing it all over the place. He took a beating against the Raiders…sure hope he holds up.
Minn owns the Detroit offense, which did nothing last season on the ground vs. Minn. Kitna could easily throw 50 times in this game. Start 3, possibly 4 (McDonald) WRs in Detroit as well.
Phillip Rivers: 28th last week…not good. And I don't expect him to do well this week either. Rough start for Rivers' owners.
I hope you all know where I stand on Mr. Rivers.
Bad starts: Some are just plain bad QBs or truly bad situations and bad QBs.

Jeff Garcia: Bucs offense looks pathetic in the passing game.
New Orleans stopped who last week? Exactly. I like him to have a decent game.My :rolleyes:
I really liked your thoughts this week in the roundtable. That weekly feature is one of my favorties.
 
MOP, what do you think about Boller tomorrow? Looks like he will most likely be starting per fanball. I think he could be a sneaky play in deeper (i.e. 14 team) leagues. Thoughts?

 
Captain Hook said:
Good effort - but REALLY Sean - you have to move Roethlisberger up to the second group. How many teams gave up more yards through the air than Buffalo last week? This week at home, I agree that the Steelers will run more, but I think they will pass enough to put Big Ben in the Top 10 (if not Top 5) for the week.250 and 2+ TDs :P
I picked Ben up this year to back up Brady (and keep him off the other teams)--despite the 4 td's last week, historically I think you can count on Ben to toss 1-2 td's in the first half, and then you can count on Pitsburgh to run out the clock in the second half with a lead. Yup--I know there's a new general in town--but until a few more games like last week have passed, and we can see some more opening up the games from Tomlin, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do agree with the 250/2 projections for this week--that's a good start imo; had actually thought about playing him myself this week but just can't bench Brady despite the matchup. Hope I don't live to regret that.....
 
MOP, what do you think about Boller tomorrow? Looks like he will most likely be starting per fanball. I think he could be a sneaky play in deeper (i.e. 14 team) leagues. Thoughts?
Interesting question with a lot of legs to it.1. Boller has been terrible when he has taken the field as a Raven...2. Boller has been in the league now for a few years and got to watch McNair play last year...did he learn anything? Can he take that knowledge and go out and whip the Jets secondary like Brady did last week? The answer I think is no. He could have an OK game but I don't see a Brady to Moss connection on the Ravens right now.
 
Captain Hook said:
Good effort - but REALLY Sean - you have to move Roethlisberger up to the second group. How many teams gave up more yards through the air than Buffalo last week? This week at home, I agree that the Steelers will run more, but I think they will pass enough to put Big Ben in the Top 10 (if not Top 5) for the week.250 and 2+ TDs :P
I don't HAVE to do anything except sweep you in the FIX!!! That was uncalled for I know...you're probably dead on but I still have some reservations.
 
I really liked your thoughts this week in the roundtable. That weekly feature is one of my favorties.
:popcorn: Big fan of that one myself. I'll try and check in with the Roundtable more often.
Specifically I liked what you had to say about Randy Moss, I might not agree with all of it but you had a different slant. I am going to hijack my own thread but in reality, how much higher could his value go than right now? I tend to agree he about as high as he is going to go for where he was drafted. I think he will have a few more games though like he did on Sunday.
 
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I'm trying to decide between Hasselbeck and Garcia as my QB2 in a 2QB league. All the objective evidence says it should be Hasselbeck, and you agree, but I wonder, like others in this thread, whether Garcia might not be throwing all day in a high-scoring game.

 
Thanks again MoP ...

I think my toughest decision this week is Grossman vs. VY. I see you've got both of them in the "middle of the road category" which is probably about right. I've had VY in the lineup, but my mind has been drifting constantly toward the side saying that Grossman ought to bounce back in a big way this week.

Pros & Cons:

** Both QBs playing at home.

** Grossman facing a weaker secondary (Patrick Surtain KC-CB health uncertainty???) and weaker defense overall.

** I'll give Grossman's WR's the nod over VY's receiving corps. I'd also give CHI running game the advantage over TEN (slightly).

** VY obviously has the rushing advantage over Grossman, although I get 6pts for all TDs (passing & rushing).

** VY probably will have the opportunity for some garbage time, whereas Grossman very well may be letting Benson / Peterson run out the clock in the 2nd half.

** Really not sure who's floor is lower between the 2 ... same uncertainty with who has the higher ceiling ... (I do lose 2pts for all turnovers REX!)

So at this point, here's how I see it playing out:

Grossman: 225-250yds, 1-2TDs, 1INT, 1fumble, 10yds rushing = about 15-18 points in our system

VY: 150-200yds, 0-1TDs, 1INT, 30-50yds rushing, 0-1TD = 14-17 points in our system

Any thoughts from others going through this one would be helpful!!
Still waffling on this one ... anyone else facing this decision? I've got VY in the lineup right now ... do we know if Patrick Surtain is playing this week for KC at CB?
 
Am I crazy for using Eli Manning as my starter over Hasselbeck this week? I really loved Eli coming into this season but that shoulder injury has me worried :goodposting:

 
Boulder Toads said:
Thanks again MoP ...

I think my toughest decision this week is Grossman vs. VY. I see you've got both of them in the "middle of the road category" which is probably about right. I've had VY in the lineup, but my mind has been drifting constantly toward the side saying that Grossman ought to bounce back in a big way this week.

Pros & Cons:

** Both QBs playing at home.

** Grossman facing a weaker secondary (Patrick Surtain KC-CB health uncertainty???) and weaker defense overall.

** I'll give Grossman's WR's the nod over VY's receiving corps. I'd also give CHI running game the advantage over TEN (slightly).

** VY obviously has the rushing advantage over Grossman, although I get 6pts for all TDs (passing & rushing).

** VY probably will have the opportunity for some garbage time, whereas Grossman very well may be letting Benson / Peterson run out the clock in the 2nd half.

** Really not sure who's floor is lower between the 2 ... same uncertainty with who has the higher ceiling ... (I do lose 2pts for all turnovers REX!)

So at this point, here's how I see it playing out:

Grossman: 225-250yds, 1-2TDs, 1INT, 1fumble, 10yds rushing = about 15-18 points in our system

VY: 150-200yds, 0-1TDs, 1INT, 30-50yds rushing, 0-1TD = 14-17 points in our system

Any thoughts from others going through this one would be helpful!!
Still waffling on this one ... anyone else facing this decision? I've got VY in the lineup right now ... do we know if Patrick Surtain is playing this week for KC at CB?
I'm playing Young over Hass today. One tough game last week shouldn't make us forget why we drafted this guy. He's going to need to do something special to keep them in this game and his track record says there's a good chance he will.
 

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