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Marvin88
Footballguy
To me the QBBC is one of the most distinctive advantages you can give yourself in a league of guppies and even somewhat well schooled FFL players. I find that the temptation is just too great for most guys to take a QB too early. They may hold off for rounds 1-4, but they inevitable start sweating. The temptation at this point is just too great for them to NOT fill out their lineups. I will have this article in my back pocket come draft night(s).Thanks, Chase!Thanks Chase. Now I am ready to draft.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Excellent article. I play in a 2QB league and the top QBs start going very early. Targeting the guys on the QBBC list later will allow for a stronger RB and WR roster. Very helpful.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Good point. In my 2QB league I think I'd be much more comfortable with Rivers, Leftwich and Brooks/Warner
The Jerk
Footballguy
No doubt QBBC can work. I've used it many times. Sometimes you end up with the sum of the parts exceeding the whole, other times it's the opposite. Just be careful with QBBC because you can easily end up choosing the wrong QB the majority of the weeks -- very frustrating. There is a certain value to having the same QB in the lineup each week.
That said, I am still more likely to wait on QBs and pick two in the 12-15 range. Either one will perform all year like a top 10 or better QB or I'll try the QBBC. I can't pick the wrong QB that often, can I?
That said, I am still more likely to wait on QBs and pick two in the 12-15 range. Either one will perform all year like a top 10 or better QB or I'll try the QBBC. I can't pick the wrong QB that often, can I?
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MLBrandow
Guest
This year:
Leftwich, Brunell =
Leftwich, Brunell =
ben4titans
Footballguy
I like Plummer/McNair. Plummer has an absolutely easy schedule this year. Especially during playoff time.
Bovine Swami
Footballguy
Last year QBBC was one of the keys to winning my league, along with drafting Gates, Rackers, and handcuffing Holmes and LJ 
This year however, we have changed our lineups and scoring. We now score 6pts for all TDs, including passing. We are also starting 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, K, D, and 1 Flex which can be any position.
Do the sharks thing that the 6pts for passing TD and option to flex a QB will make QBBC less useful? I would think that if you went with QBBC then you would almost have to flex a RB/WR. If you compare your team to someone who drafted a QB in the first round you would potentially have the following:
Them:
QB1 + RB12 + RB24 + WR36 + WR48 +QB15
You:
RB4 + WR5+ RB20 + RB32 + WR45 + QBBC
I guess I will have to run some numbers to see statistically what should produce more points...
This year however, we have changed our lineups and scoring. We now score 6pts for all TDs, including passing. We are also starting 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, K, D, and 1 Flex which can be any position.
Do the sharks thing that the 6pts for passing TD and option to flex a QB will make QBBC less useful? I would think that if you went with QBBC then you would almost have to flex a RB/WR. If you compare your team to someone who drafted a QB in the first round you would potentially have the following:
Them:
QB1 + RB12 + RB24 + WR36 + WR48 +QB15
You:
RB4 + WR5+ RB20 + RB32 + WR45 + QBBC
I guess I will have to run some numbers to see statistically what should produce more points...
The Jerk
Footballguy
Definitely run the numbers, but there really isn't that big of a difference in ppg in a 4-pt vs. 6-pt. pass TD league. A little bump up for the top QBs, a little bump down for Vick (rush TDs are not = 1.5 pass TDs), but we're still only talking about a 1 ppg difference for every 8 TDs (2 pts. more x 8 TDs / 16 games). To me, that's not a big difference. But again, run the numbers and you can see for yourself.Last year QBBC was one of the keys to winning my league, along with drafting Gates, Rackers, and handcuffing Holmes and LJ
bocksheesh
Footballguy
Count me as one of the people who plans every year to go QBBC and then falls for my temptation for a stud QB in the middle rounds.
But I'm definitely thinking about doing it this year.
So I have a question:
- Chase spent some time in his article discussing the statistical correlation between adjusted strength of schedule and the QBBC. What I didn't get a sense of was how accurate or inaccurate his predictions for the top rated QBBC options have been. Does anyone recall who the top rated QBBCs were from last season, and how they did?
Specifically, even if I buy into the QBBC theory, how confident can I be that if I execute the strategy, and get Warner, Brooks, and Rivers, that they will definitely have a strong season as a QBBC?
But I'm definitely thinking about doing it this year.
So I have a question:
- Chase spent some time in his article discussing the statistical correlation between adjusted strength of schedule and the QBBC. What I didn't get a sense of was how accurate or inaccurate his predictions for the top rated QBBC options have been. Does anyone recall who the top rated QBBCs were from last season, and how they did?
Specifically, even if I buy into the QBBC theory, how confident can I be that if I execute the strategy, and get Warner, Brooks, and Rivers, that they will definitely have a strong season as a QBBC?
bocksheesh
Footballguy
bumpski
TeamDingo
Footballguy
http://footballguys.com/05stuart_qbbc.phpDBreesbocksheesh said:
DCarr
BRoethlisberger
For me Brees was top 12. I ended up cutting Carr pretty quickly. Big Ben got drafted before I grabbed him and I ended up with KWarner/AZ QB, as my back up.
bocksheesh
Footballguy
How'd did the Brees/Carr/AZ QB trio perform for you relative to teams just going with one QB? Is there a total point comparison?http://footballguys.com/05stuart_qbbc.php
DBrees
DCarr
BRoethlisberger
For me Brees was top 12. I ended up cutting Carr pretty quickly. Big Ben got drafted before I grabbed him and I ended up with KWarner/AZ QB, as my back up.
I have never used the QBBC approach although for the last 2 years I have always been very very tempted to!!! This may be the year I execute it and roll the dice, but my question I have is from actual owners who have used this method. Was it more of a headache every week deciding who to start or more often than not did one of the QBBC players just bomb? Would like to hear any experiences...... Lefty and Brunell combo does seem interesting.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I've done QBBC more times than not in the past ten years. Probably half the time it ends up being a true committee. The other half involves either one player performing at a very high levelI have never used the QBBC approach although for the last 2 years I have always been very very tempted to!!! This may be the year I execute it and roll the dice, but my question I have is from actual owners who have used this method. Was it more of a headache every week deciding who to start or more often than not did one of the QBBC players just bomb? Would like to hear any experiences...... Lefty and Brunell combo does seem interesting.
or the other player being so bad/injured that there's no contest. :X Of the QBBC years, some years you pick the right starter more often than not, other years it's the reverse. In fact, probably half of the weeks the two QBs are within a few points of each other. So you're usually OK.I always keep myself open to the possibility of drafting a top 6-7 QB. It's just that by the time I get to the round I perceive as proper value, they're usually gone. Last year, I got Brady at pick 53, but I was prepared to go QBBC. All I'm saying is don't go QBBC just to go QBBC. If there is value at QB5, take him. Having a QBBC plan in the background just gives you more options so you can take advantage of value at other positions during your draft.
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doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
I've done QBBC more times than not in the past ten years. Probably half the time it ends up being a true committee. The other half involves either one player performing at a very high levelI have never used the QBBC approach although for the last 2 years I have always been very very tempted to!!! This may be the year I execute it and roll the dice, but my question I have is from actual owners who have used this method. Was it more of a headache every week deciding who to start or more often than not did one of the QBBC players just bomb? Would like to hear any experiences...... Lefty and Brunell combo does seem interesting.
Couldn't have said it better myself
jpwest
Footballguy
I would really like to put Chase's 3-QB committee to the test this year (and talked the league into expanding the bench by one slot so I can accommodate it 
), but as I run through my mocks in Draft Dominator, I would have to swallow really hard to make it work.
Warner's ADP in my DD is 9.09, and at the time DD indicates that other owners will start to consider him, there are still 11 QBs on the board with higher value - including the other two QBs in the featured QBBC (Rivers and Brooks).
Is this a situation where, if you decide to go with the committee, you have to throw VBD out the window temporarily and take the 3rd-best QB in your committee way earlier than you would otherwise?
In reality, would you be best off drafting a decent QB and 1-2 backups (preferably backups that you want to include in your QBBC), and then trading your decent QB to finalize your QBBC and potentially adding value at another position at the same time?
For example, rather than sweating Warner's availability and taking him earlier than I should, would it be better to take somebody like Vick, let Warner be drafted, and try to deal Vick for Warner + a player?
The last thing I want is to find myself scrambling to create a new committee late in the draft.
Thoughts?
), but as I run through my mocks in Draft Dominator, I would have to swallow really hard to make it work.Warner's ADP in my DD is 9.09, and at the time DD indicates that other owners will start to consider him, there are still 11 QBs on the board with higher value - including the other two QBs in the featured QBBC (Rivers and Brooks).
Is this a situation where, if you decide to go with the committee, you have to throw VBD out the window temporarily and take the 3rd-best QB in your committee way earlier than you would otherwise?
In reality, would you be best off drafting a decent QB and 1-2 backups (preferably backups that you want to include in your QBBC), and then trading your decent QB to finalize your QBBC and potentially adding value at another position at the same time?
For example, rather than sweating Warner's availability and taking him earlier than I should, would it be better to take somebody like Vick, let Warner be drafted, and try to deal Vick for Warner + a player?
The last thing I want is to find myself scrambling to create a new committee late in the draft.
Thoughts?
SKI
Footballguy
The 6 points per TD doesn't really change the idea but the Flex QB absolutely does.You didn't indicate what your non-TD scoring is but chances are that the ablity to start 2 QBs radically changes the VBD values and virtually mandates starting 2 QBs.I'm not sure it kills QBBC though because the 20th rated QB isn't that far below the 12th rated one on a PPG basis (and both are way far ahead of even the 10th rated RB). But it likely means that you will have to roster 4 QBs rather than 2 or 3
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Bovine Swami
Footballguy
Well I am currently trying to run the stats and find out if you're right. Our full scoring system is 6pt/TD, 1pt/10 yds rush+recieve, 1pt/25 yds passing, -2 turnover, 1 PPR, 3pt/300 yds passing/ 3pts/100 yards rushing or recieving.The main reason we went to this was to make positions other than RB important. The first couple rounds should be really interesting as we have a couple of die-hard RB stud guys, a couple contemplating stud QB, a couple looking at RB/WR, and some QBBC guys.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
I have used it too and I will second theI've done QBBC more times than not in the past ten years. Probably half the time it ends up being a true committee. The other half involves either one player performing at a very high levelI have never used the QBBC approach although for the last 2 years I have always been very very tempted to!!! This may be the year I execute it and roll the dice, but my question I have is from actual owners who have used this method. Was it more of a headache every week deciding who to start or more often than not did one of the QBBC players just bomb? Would like to hear any experiences...... Lefty and Brunell combo does seem interesting.
SKI
Footballguy
It is pretty simple, run the VBD spreadsheet (or DD) with your scoring system and compare the actual point totals of the QBs and the RBs. Your system isn't that different from mine and QB24 is still around 205 points whereas RB36 is around 115. You are definitely going to want your flex NOT to be a RB unless you get 3 of the top 12 (unliklely).The drop off in RBs happens much earlier and is much more pronounced than QBs - or WRS for that matter with 1PPR so RBs are still the best early bet more than likely.
