Quarterbacks and Superbowls (1 Viewer)

[ChadBroChill17]

I see a lot of people on here and in my everyday life talking about the best NFL quarterbacks. In the discussion people always seem to resort to measuring how good a quarterback is by how many superbowl rings they have. If a team wins a superbowl that means the team itself is really good, but there can be amazing quarterbacks who are on ####ty teams, which means they never win a superbowl, but that doesn't stop them from being good quarterbacks. For example, Archie Manning was a great quarterback who was/is highly respected by everyone in the league, however he had a ridiculous amount of losing seasons with the Saints and 0 superbowls. So do you think a quarterback has to have a superbowl ring to be considered in the "best qbs of all time" category?

 

[Osaurus]

I see a lot of people on here and in my everyday life talking about the best NFL quarterbacks. In the discussion people always seem to resort to measuring how good a quarterback is by how many superbowl rings they have. If a team wins a superbowl that means the team itself is really good, but there can be amazing quarterbacks who are on ####ty teams, which means they never win a superbowl, but that doesn't stop them from being good quarterbacks. For example, Archie Manning was a great quarterback who was/is highly respected by everyone in the league, however he had a ridiculous amount of losing seasons with the Saints and 0 superbowls. So do you think a quarterback has to have a superbowl ring to be considered in the "best qbs of all time" category?

I don't think so, but the HOF voters apparently do.

 

[Todem]

I see a lot of people on here and in my everyday life talking about the best NFL quarterbacks. In the discussion people always seem to resort to measuring how good a quarterback is by how many superbowl rings they have. If a team wins a superbowl that means the team itself is really good, but there can be amazing quarterbacks who are on ####ty teams, which means they never win a superbowl, but that doesn't stop them from being good quarterbacks. For example, Archie Manning was a great quarterback who was/is highly respected by everyone in the league, however he had a ridiculous amount of losing seasons with the Saints and 0 superbowls. So do you think a quarterback has to have a superbowl ring to be considered in the "best qbs of all time" category?

Well it seems that it is some sort of pre-requisete that an all time great has to have a ring. I don't buy it. Too many great all time HOF players will never win a ring...does that make them any less than a guy who had the good fortune on being a better overall team? Luck and good fortune play into winning titles more than people think. Yeah you need to be good but you don't need to be great...sometimes you get hot at the right time and get on a roll and win a title. Happens in all sports.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Dan Marino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trent Dilfer. End thread.

 

[Black]

It helps. When you talk about the greatest ever, it's about wins. It's about making the players around you better. I think you need to win a championship at least once to solidify that legacy.

I don't think it means that other QBs are not great. Marino was great. But, when you start whittling the list down, you can't help but skip the stats and start looking more closely at the winners.

 

[Carver]

Well...

You can't hold it against guys who never make it or play well but come up short.

But you can certainly hold it against guys who get there and choke it away. Same for guys who have teams good enough to win it... but melt down in the post season.

How do you NOT hold that against them?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dan Marino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trent Dilfer. End thread.

 

[MaddHatter]

For example, Archie Manning was a great quarterback who was/is highly respected by everyone in the league, however he had a ridiculous amount of losing seasons with the Saints and 0 superbowls. So do you think a quarterback has to have a superbowl ring to be considered in the "best qbs of all time" category?

Without me hijacking this thread, you can explain the bold print above in this link.

 

[Jeremy]

I agree that it's a very overrated thing. Of course the ultimate goal for any team and player is winning a championship, but the QB does not do that alone (not even close).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I see a lot of people on here and in my everyday life talking about the best NFL quarterbacks. In the discussion people always seem to resort to measuring how good a quarterback is by how many superbowl rings they have. If a team wins a superbowl that means the team itself is really good, but there can be amazing quarterbacks who are on ####ty teams, which means they never win a superbowl, but that doesn't stop them from being good quarterbacks. For example, Archie Manning was a great quarterback who was/is highly respected by everyone in the league, however he had a ridiculous amount of losing seasons with the Saints and 0 superbowls. So do you think a quarterback has to have a superbowl ring to be considered in the "best qbs of all time" category?

I'd say it's part of the equation. Great QB's make great plays at crucial times to win games.The bigger the game the better the play the better the QB.Bart Starr, Otto Graham, and Joe Montana, all from different eras, can all be compared this way.I don't think not winning an NFL Champioship should end the discussion, for instance Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton to me are great QB's (though not all time great ones), but getting there and then what happens there is important.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

There are two very different questions that people don't differentiate when the subject is "the best ___" in sports. The first is "who is the best" and the second is "who had the best career." The first asks which player is superior in which Super Bowls should definitely not matter.

Peyton Manning's ability as a QB is not increased if Tracy Porter slips on the turf or drops the INT that he takes back for a TD in SB XLIV or decreased if Reche Caldwell makes one or two catches to beat the Colts in the '06 playoffs, however, both instances greatly effects his career.