Quick summary of the preseaon games last night (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

OK, Drew Carter done for the season, DWill and Stewart went nuts, Favre looked good, what else?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

OK, Drew Carter done for the season, DWill and Stewart went nuts, Favre looked good, what else?

After thoroughly dominating the Jags last week, the Dolphins starteres destroyed a weak KC team. Ted Ginn Jr had a magnificent punt return TD. Ricky looked strong, fast and determined, and Pennington was extremely accurrate and looked to be in sync with the offense already. Miami's D was stout for the second week in a row. Jalen Parmalee ripped off an 80 yard run, and looks like he has potential as a Dynasty/keeper stash. The Fins offense could produce a few startable players this year, and the team could surprize. KC looked god awful. Brodie Croyle belongs on a bench somewhere. There is not a starting QB on the team, and the OL was completely dominated all game. KC position players could be in for a long season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The Lions will attempt to run but won't do so very well. J. Kitna will be running for his life at times this season but he's actually pretty good at it. He'll have some good plays but you'll have to live with some bad ones.

When was the last time anyone started a Lions TE in their fantasy league........and who was it?

I thought Brady Quinn looked terrible.

 

[sholditch]

Croyle looked awful. He's worse than Orton. Did Portis look as bad as his boxscore?

 

[baconisgood]

Cleveland's Oline doesn't look good. They were dominated by the Giants which isn't horrible, but played poorly against Detriot which effing stinks.

 

[FavreCo]

Washington is going to suck.

Delhomme should have a good year with a strong running game to back it up. They could put up some nice points weekly if they don't just run the ball.

Palmer is in trouble in Cincinnati. Probably doesn't play all 16 games. Say goodbye to Lewis after the year if not before.

Favre. Nothing else needs to be said there. Cotchery benefits bigtime. The train HASWleft the station as Coles pouts on the platform. Brad Smith playing well. Keller benefits too.

KC will totally suck. Say goodbye herminator.

Detroit could surprise if they get a running game going.

 

[FavreCo]

Cleveland's Oline doesn't look good. They were dominated by the Giants which isn't horrible, but played poorly against Detriot which effing stinks.

Yeah. What is up with that???

 

[Rovers]

After doing some surfing today.... I'm not sure football is the #1 sport anymore. I haven't found any site that had comprehensive recaps on the most important week of the preseason. Dribbles and drips.... nothing with any insight at all.

Watching the Jets-Giants game, those two tools never even bothered to say who came in at DE after Osi got hurt?!? I'm a Jets fan, but Buttle took too many hits apparently when he played for the Jets, and his little Peter Clayton look alike broadcast partner is a parrot.

The next thing I expect is for when MaGahee retires, he becomes Jaws X's and O's counterpart on the NFLNW. Or maybe Vince Young....

I hope that FBG comes up with some reasonable recaps and game summaries.... it's a desert out there.

 

[FavreCo]

After doing some surfing today.... I'm not sure football is the #1 sport anymore. I haven't found any site that had comprehensive recaps on the most important week of the preseason. Dribbles and drips.... nothing with any insight at all. Watching the Jets-Giants game, those two tools never even bothered to say who came in at DE after Osi got hurt?!? I'm a Jets fan, but Buttle took too many hits apparently when he played for the Jets, and his little Peter Clayton look alike broadcast partner is a parrot. The next thing I expect is for when MaGahee retires, he becomes Jaws X's and O's counterpart on the NFLNW. Or maybe Vince Young....I hope that FBG comes up with some reasonable recaps and game summaries.... it's a desert out there.

Best summaries I find are on team message boards.

 

[thecardiackid]

Warners ADP just went to the 8th or 9th round. Could be a QBBC drafters wet dream / SOD if he gets that job early.

Meacham is getting very involved. Lots of other WRs to deal w/ (Patten, Devery, etc.), but I think he's going to have a year like Bowe did in 07.

Cutler looks solid and worth the 6/7th round ADP w/ upside for top 8-10.

Andre Hall might be the short yardage/goal line guy in the Denver RBBC mess.

K Walter WR HOU - looks like a nice PPR play @ this point.

Ben Utecht TE CIN will be a decent (backup) TE

Ginn moving up the board

Muhammed should also out perform his ADP

Still not sure how to draft the CAR run game yet...

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Cleveland's Oline doesn't look good. They were dominated by the Giants which isn't horrible, but played poorly against Detriot which effing stinks.

Yeah. What is up with that???

The G-Men were a wake-up call for the interior. Last night their were breakdowns on blitz pickups which falls more on the RB and extra TE. The Browns played on Monday Night so they had to turn around in five days.They had a QB switch due to Anderson's concussion and Quinn hadn't had enough time playing with and developing timing with the number one unit and that showed especially right off the bat where he missed badly trying to connect with Stallworth. Pro Bowl WR Braylon Edwards - OUTStarting RB and former Pro Bowler - Jamal Lewis - OUTPro Bowl QB Derek Anderson - OUTQuinn started out rough, bad throws, breakdowns in protection, and then once he began getting into a rythmn then he had some drops from backups. Starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker has been out all preseason and it seems like he is really missed out there. He is on schedule to get back healthy by the opener and then, DA, Braylon, and Jamal will also be back. Jam's backup, RB Jason Wright, ran well but he blew a blitz pickups assignment that killed one drive and he also dropped a pass on a fourth down play that killed another drive. A backup TE dropped another fourth down pass. Basically the offense has looked bad but the offense that will start the regular season will have three skill starters back and should also have starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker back as well. The offense isn't and won't be a problem.The defense is another issue entirely.

 

[BigRed]

- Campbell (WAS QB) more or less sucks, still

- CAR could be an RBBC mess

 

[Rovers]

Well, I suppose I can add my one time look-take on the Jets....

Favre is still having trouble with the new offense... after Cotchery's long TD pass was called back because a TE backed off the LOS and no WR stepped up to replace him... it was an illegal formation. Mangini was talking to Farve on the sideline... and it sure looked like Mangini told him it was his fault for not rechecking how many players were on the LOS, and Favre didn't take it very well. found that interesting....

Brad Smith's versatility means that Stuckey, as the only legit deep threat WR may get less opportunity than I was hoping for. Smith made some nice plays as the 3rd WR, and that I think will put a cap on the number of snaps Stuckey gets.

Gholston is still trying to grasp his role in this D scheme.... Pace looks like the real deal at being a 3-4 DE. Much better than Ellis, Bowens, or anyone else the Jets tried there in the past. Kris Jenkins.... biggest addition to the Jets D since Harris... and from a team D standpoint, maybe even more important. He fought through two blockers on almost every play, plugged the middle, and still had a decent stat line.

Miller and Revis started, but Lowery was in for Miller one the second drive the D was out there for... I still say Lowery will be opposite Revis as a starter come week 1.

This Jets team seems to not even miss Ellis at DE, and Coles at WR, albeit perhaps a bit more in Coles' case. Dustin Keller... major sleeper at TE.

The Jets pass rush seems to be much improved. That, and Jenkins in the middle.... the D looks vastly improved... but that may not mean much, relatively speaking, after how awful it was last year. At least it has the earmarks of improving enough to be in the top 16 team D's this year.

The O line still does not run block well, but this was also against the best front 4 in the NFL IMO.... Leon Washington looked better than Thomas Jones... quickness worked better than power against the Giants D. Washington (as pointed out by announcer Buttle in a rare case of mental fluidity) makes a D like the Giants a bit less agressive... more leary of the pass and dump off.

Cotchery is no doubt Favre's fave target. As time goes by, I think Favre will look for Stuckey for the deep bombs.

Dustin Keller could well be Favre's fave #2 eventually. Between Posniask, Franks, Baker and Keller.... one of these TE's won't make the team... but posniask has made some big plays in preseason... jury out.

That's all I got off the top of my head...

Any GMen fans out there for a counterpoint?

 

[baconisgood]

Cleveland's Oline doesn't look good. They were dominated by the Giants which isn't horrible, but played poorly against Detriot which effing stinks.

Yeah. What is up with that???

The G-Men were a wake-up call for the interior. Last night their were breakdowns on blitz pickups which falls more on the RB and extra TE. The Browns played on Monday Night so they had to turn around in five days.They had a QB switch due to Anderson's concussion and Quinn hadn't had enough time playing with and developing timing with the number one unit and that showed especially right off the bat where he missed badly trying to connect with Stallworth. Pro Bowl WR Braylon Edwards - OUTStarting RB and former Pro Bowler - Jamal Lewis - OUTPro Bowl QB Derek Anderson - OUTQuinn started out rough, bad throws, breakdowns in protection, and then once he began getting into a rythmn then he had some drops from backups. Starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker has been out all preseason and it seems like he is really missed out there. He is on schedule to get back healthy by the opener and then, DA, Braylon, and Jamal will also be back. Jam's backup, RB Jason Wright, ran well but he blew a blitz pickups assignment that killed one drive and he also dropped a pass on a fourth down play that killed another drive. A backup TE dropped another fourth down pass. Basically the offense has looked bad but the offense that will start the regular season will have three skill starters back and should also have starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker back as well. The offense isn't and won't be a problem.The defense is another issue entirely.

I'm surprised that Tucker is particularly important to this line, he missed the first 4 games last year and they were fine (post week 1) without him, and hes been out for a while and the unit has been working without him.

 

[timschochet]

I think Minnesota will have a top defense this year, worth taking possibly first. I also think you want to avoid starting any RB's except the elite ones against the Vikings, and even be hesitant about that. They will be awfully good.

 

[Tanner9919]

got the feeling you can't take much out of the weekend's preseason games...I doubt Kevin Smith does as well this season as he looked last night, LJ is better that what we saw last night ( Chiefs play an easy run schedule, 6 games against SD sans Merriman, Raiders, Denver will give LJ a lot of yards)..

Which Aaron Rdgers will show up on opening day, the one from this weekend, or the one from last weekend when he flat-out stunk ?!

One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that NE has looked horrible, absolutely abismal. Is that just a part of the Bellichick cover-up scheme where he lists players as hurt so they don't have to play in preseason and thus don't have to risk injury ( see Brady) , or are they genuinely hurt?! I'm beginning to think the Pats are in big,big trouble this season..that defense is deplorable, and the O-line hasn't played particularly well..add to this the fact that Brady has yet to play a preseason game and you have a pot of something bad brewing in NE..not sure that this isn't just a ruse orchestrated by BB before the reg season begins...

I am leaning towards the idea that NE is in big trouble this season..too many defensive losses to overcome...

Don't discount Slaton as being a top 15 RB this season,he has looked solid up to this point..he has two aged, injury prone RB's ahead of him to claim the starting spot..he was good in limited action on friday..

Drew Brees looks awesome..he might be the #1 QB in fantasy football this season,especially when you consider the weak N.O. defense ( meaning they'll be involved in a lot of high-scoring shootouts)..Because of that defense, the Saints are likely to play all their starters throughout the fantasy playoffs. Romo should have the NFC homefield advantage wrapped up so early that he'll see limited action in weeks 14-16, while Bress will still be gunslinging during that span..

Jay Cutler is going to finish as a top 5-6 QB this season, he looked very good this weekend, as he has all preseason...

Favre has looked just OK..Last night he was showing that he's still lost at times..I hope that doesn't translate this situation into the Brett Favre of 2005-6 when he threw tons of INTS because he tried to do to much by himself...

is Jonathan Stewart really as good as he looked last night, or what? I don't know, he looked equally bad last week.. not sure what to make of Carolina's running game.

this seems to be a very tough preseason to get a grasp on teams/players...seems everyone is good one week, bad the next..can't wait for the season to start already..

 

[joffer]

too many conclusions being drawn in this thread. major overreactions. yes the 3rd preseason game is important, but it's just one more indicator, not the only one.

 

[Rovers]

too many conclusions being drawn in this thread. major overreactions. yes the 3rd preseason game is important, but it's just one more indicator, not the only one.

Frankly, I don't see that.... most opinions seem to be wieghted correcly by and large. This IS the most important PS game weekend, but most understand it's still preseason. I will draw some concusions... like KC is gonna suck again....

 

[Irish]

Cleveland's Oline doesn't look good. They were dominated by the Giants which isn't horrible, but played poorly against Detriot which effing stinks.

Yeah. What is up with that???

The G-Men were a wake-up call for the interior. Last night their were breakdowns on blitz pickups which falls more on the RB and extra TE. The Browns played on Monday Night so they had to turn around in five days.They had a QB switch due to Anderson's concussion and Quinn hadn't had enough time playing with and developing timing with the number one unit and that showed especially right off the bat where he missed badly trying to connect with Stallworth. Pro Bowl WR Braylon Edwards - OUTStarting RB and former Pro Bowler - Jamal Lewis - OUTPro Bowl QB Derek Anderson - OUTQuinn started out rough, bad throws, breakdowns in protection, and then once he began getting into a rythmn then he had some drops from backups. Starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker has been out all preseason and it seems like he is really missed out there. He is on schedule to get back healthy by the opener and then, DA, Braylon, and Jamal will also be back. Jam's backup, RB Jason Wright, ran well but he blew a blitz pickups assignment that killed one drive and he also dropped a pass on a fourth down play that killed another drive. A backup TE dropped another fourth down pass. Basically the offense has looked bad but the offense that will start the regular season will have three skill starters back and should also have starting RT/RG Ryan Tucker back as well. The offense isn't and won't be a problem.The defense is another issue entirely.

Wow, I have never seen that many excuses evah for a team that was beat like a drum by the freakin Detroit Lions. You forgot one, Jim Brown did not suit up as well.

 

[David Yudkin]

One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that NE has looked horrible, absolutely abismal. Is that just a part of the Bellichick cover-up scheme where he lists players as hurt so they don't have to play in preseason and thus don't have to risk injury ( see Brady) , or are they genuinely hurt?! I'm beginning to think the Pats are in big,big trouble this season..that defense is deplorable, and the O-line hasn't played particularly well..add to this the fact that Brady has yet to play a preseason game and you have a pot of something bad brewing in NE..not sure that this isn't just a ruse orchestrated by BB before the reg season begins... I am leaning towards the idea that NE is in big trouble this season..too many defensive losses to overcome...

Starting with the defense first . . .The Pats have been sitting a lot of regulars in the preseason games. More importantly, they are playing the most watered down defense scheme they can muster. TOTALLY vanilla. No blitz packages. No changing up on the fly. No attempt to confuse or bait QBs. Basically nothing that opponents have had to worry about. That will all change when the games matter, so I would not be majorly concerned. They are trying about as hard as defensive players in the Pro Bowl (with the same rules . . . no blitzing).They will miss Samuel, but with better play from their front 7 they may not miss him as much as you may think. The only other player they lost worth noting is Rosy Colvin, but given the extent of his injuries I'm not sure he would have been much more than an average player at best this year. Seau is gone, and he's another one who would be able to fill a role but would not be a big cog anymore. I would not ignore Dom Capers addition to the coaching staff, as I have heard he's been making quite a difference.Offensively, they have played a lot of the "PLAYER X is slightly nicked and won't be playing" games. HOWEVER, I do think that the OL is an area for concern, as a couple guys have been out all preseason, almost the entre set of backups has been hurt, and they have brought a ton of generic replacements/bodies to try to build back their depth. NO ONE has any idea what the issue is with Matt Light. Whatever the team has tried has not gelled so far in the preseason. I can't tell you who is expected back for the regular season (OL wise), as that is where a lot of the mystery lies.Brady hasn't played or practiced much, but I give him the benefit of not needing a ton of time to get prepped for the season. The Pats schedule is relatively easy, and by the time they get a truly tough team (SD), it will be a month into the season and I would think the guys currently dinged would be back.So no, I don't think the sky is falling, but as of today there games might be closer than expected and they may not be the class of the league. That could easily change a few weeks into the season, and I doubt they lose a game in September even if they are not firing on all cylinders right now.

 

[thecardiackid]

One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that NE has looked horrible, absolutely abismal. Is that just a part of the Bellichick cover-up scheme where he lists players as hurt so they don't have to play in preseason and thus don't have to risk injury ( see Brady) , or are they genuinely hurt?! I'm beginning to think the Pats are in big,big trouble this season..that defense is deplorable, and the O-line hasn't played particularly well..add to this the fact that Brady has yet to play a preseason game and you have a pot of something bad brewing in NE..not sure that this isn't just a ruse orchestrated by BB before the reg season begins... I am leaning towards the idea that NE is in big trouble this season..too many defensive losses to overcome...

Starting with the defense first . . .The Pats have been sitting a lot of regulars in the preseason games. More importantly, they are playing the most watered down defense scheme they can muster. TOTALLY vanilla. No blitz packages. No changing up on the fly. No attempt to confuse or bait QBs. Basically nothing that opponents have had to worry about. That will all change when the games matter, so I would not be majorly concerned. They are trying about as hard as defensive players in the Pro Bowl (with the same rules . . . no blitzing).They will miss Samuel, but with better play from their front 7 they may not miss him as much as you may think. The only other player they lost worth noting is Rosy Colvin, but given the extent of his injuries I'm not sure he would have been much more than an average player at best this year. Seau is gone, and he's another one who would be able to fill a role but would not be a big cog anymore. I would not ignore Dom Capers addition to the coaching staff, as I have heard he's been making quite a difference.Offensively, they have played a lot of the "PLAYER X is slightly nicked and won't be playing" games. HOWEVER, I do think that the OL is an area for concern, as a couple guys have been out all preseason, almost the entre set of backups has been hurt, and they have brought a ton of generic replacements/bodies to try to build back their depth. NO ONE has any idea what the issue is with Matt Light. Whatever the team has tried has not gelled so far in the preseason. I can't tell you who is expected back for the regular season (OL wise), as that is where a lot of the mystery lies.Brady hasn't played or practiced much, but I give him the benefit of not needing a ton of time to get prepped for the season. The Pats schedule is relatively easy, and by the time they get a truly tough team (SD), it will be a month into the season and I would think the guys currently dinged would be back.So no, I don't think the sky is falling, but as of today there games might be closer than expected and they may not be the class of the league. That could easily change a few weeks into the season, and I doubt they lose a game in September even if they are not firing on all cylinders right now.

DY - what are your (current) impressions of the WR2 * battle* in NE between Gaffney and C Jackson? Now that were getting close to the regular season.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Lions will attempt to run but won't do so very well. J. Kitna will be running for his life at times this season but he's actually pretty good at it. He'll have some good plays but you'll have to live with some bad ones.

When was the last time anyone started a Lions TE in their fantasy league........and who was it?

I thought Brady Quinn looked terrible.

fixed

 

[Burning Sensation]

got the feeling you can't take much out of the weekend's preseason games...I doubt Kevin Smith does as well this season as he looked last night, LJ is better that what we saw last night ( Chiefs play an easy run schedule, 6 games against SD sans Merriman, Raiders, Denver will give LJ a lot of yards)..

Kevin Smith didnt play last night, he played yesterday. Did you watch the game? What makes you think he will not play as well as he did, i thought he only looked average. LJ is in for a long season behind that OLine, not to mention Croyle as the starter. Nobody is good enough to do well against constant 8 men fronts with a horrible OLine.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Lions will attempt to run but won't do so very well. J. Kitna will be running for his life at times this season but he's actually pretty good at it. He'll have some good plays but you'll have to live with some bad ones. When was the last time anyone started a Lions TE in their fantasy league........and who was it?I thought Brady Quinn looked terrible.

Marcus Pollard.David Sloan!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

too many conclusions being drawn in this thread. major overreactions. yes the 3rd preseason game is important, but it's just one more indicator, not the only one.

what else are we supposed to do. I feel like it a week before xmas and I'm 6.Oh and I watched 5 nfl games yesterday online. I have a FF problem.

 

[Raider Nation]

Washington is going to suck.

Awesome. I won't need to waste time watching any of their games.Though granted, they didn't look anywhere NEAR as good as the Colts typically look every preseason.

 

[David Yudkin]

One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that NE has looked horrible, absolutely abismal. Is that just a part of the Bellichick cover-up scheme where he lists players as hurt so they don't have to play in preseason and thus don't have to risk injury ( see Brady) , or are they genuinely hurt?! I'm beginning to think the Pats are in big,big trouble this season..that defense is deplorable, and the O-line hasn't played particularly well..add to this the fact that Brady has yet to play a preseason game and you have a pot of something bad brewing in NE..not sure that this isn't just a ruse orchestrated by BB before the reg season begins... I am leaning towards the idea that NE is in big trouble this season..too many defensive losses to overcome...

Starting with the defense first . . .The Pats have been sitting a lot of regulars in the preseason games. More importantly, they are playing the most watered down defense scheme they can muster. TOTALLY vanilla. No blitz packages. No changing up on the fly. No attempt to confuse or bait QBs. Basically nothing that opponents have had to worry about. That will all change when the games matter, so I would not be majorly concerned. They are trying about as hard as defensive players in the Pro Bowl (with the same rules . . . no blitzing).They will miss Samuel, but with better play from their front 7 they may not miss him as much as you may think. The only other player they lost worth noting is Rosy Colvin, but given the extent of his injuries I'm not sure he would have been much more than an average player at best this year. Seau is gone, and he's another one who would be able to fill a role but would not be a big cog anymore. I would not ignore Dom Capers addition to the coaching staff, as I have heard he's been making quite a difference.Offensively, they have played a lot of the "PLAYER X is slightly nicked and won't be playing" games. HOWEVER, I do think that the OL is an area for concern, as a couple guys have been out all preseason, almost the entre set of backups has been hurt, and they have brought a ton of generic replacements/bodies to try to build back their depth. NO ONE has any idea what the issue is with Matt Light. Whatever the team has tried has not gelled so far in the preseason. I can't tell you who is expected back for the regular season (OL wise), as that is where a lot of the mystery lies.Brady hasn't played or practiced much, but I give him the benefit of not needing a ton of time to get prepped for the season. The Pats schedule is relatively easy, and by the time they get a truly tough team (SD), it will be a month into the season and I would think the guys currently dinged would be back.So no, I don't think the sky is falling, but as of today there games might be closer than expected and they may not be the class of the league. That could easily change a few weeks into the season, and I doubt they lose a game in September even if they are not firing on all cylinders right now.

DY - what are your (current) impressions of the WR2 * battle* in NE between Gaffney and C Jackson? Now that were getting close to the regular season.

For now, Gaffney starting in 3 recevier sets and Jackson on the field in 4 receiver sets. As constituted, I doubt either one would be a Top 50 fantasy WR. If Jackson gets his act together, at some point he could flip flop with Gaffney (and probably have slightly better fantasy value than Gaffney would have in the same role).

 

[thecardiackid]

One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that NE has looked horrible, absolutely abismal. Is that just a part of the Bellichick cover-up scheme where he lists players as hurt so they don't have to play in preseason and thus don't have to risk injury ( see Brady) , or are they genuinely hurt?! I'm beginning to think the Pats are in big,big trouble this season..that defense is deplorable, and the O-line hasn't played particularly well..add to this the fact that Brady has yet to play a preseason game and you have a pot of something bad brewing in NE..not sure that this isn't just a ruse orchestrated by BB before the reg season begins... I am leaning towards the idea that NE is in big trouble this season..too many defensive losses to overcome...

Starting with the defense first . . .The Pats have been sitting a lot of regulars in the preseason games. More importantly, they are playing the most watered down defense scheme they can muster. TOTALLY vanilla. No blitz packages. No changing up on the fly. No attempt to confuse or bait QBs. Basically nothing that opponents have had to worry about. That will all change when the games matter, so I would not be majorly concerned. They are trying about as hard as defensive players in the Pro Bowl (with the same rules . . . no blitzing).They will miss Samuel, but with better play from their front 7 they may not miss him as much as you may think. The only other player they lost worth noting is Rosy Colvin, but given the extent of his injuries I'm not sure he would have been much more than an average player at best this year. Seau is gone, and he's another one who would be able to fill a role but would not be a big cog anymore. I would not ignore Dom Capers addition to the coaching staff, as I have heard he's been making quite a difference.Offensively, they have played a lot of the "PLAYER X is slightly nicked and won't be playing" games. HOWEVER, I do think that the OL is an area for concern, as a couple guys have been out all preseason, almost the entre set of backups has been hurt, and they have brought a ton of generic replacements/bodies to try to build back their depth. NO ONE has any idea what the issue is with Matt Light. Whatever the team has tried has not gelled so far in the preseason. I can't tell you who is expected back for the regular season (OL wise), as that is where a lot of the mystery lies.Brady hasn't played or practiced much, but I give him the benefit of not needing a ton of time to get prepped for the season. The Pats schedule is relatively easy, and by the time they get a truly tough team (SD), it will be a month into the season and I would think the guys currently dinged would be back.So no, I don't think the sky is falling, but as of today there games might be closer than expected and they may not be the class of the league. That could easily change a few weeks into the season, and I doubt they lose a game in September even if they are not firing on all cylinders right now.

DY - what are your (current) impressions of the WR2 * battle* in NE between Gaffney and C Jackson? Now that were getting close to the regular season.

For now, Gaffney starting in 3 recevier sets and Jackson on the field in 4 receiver sets. As constituted, I doubt either one would be a Top 50 fantasy WR. If Jackson gets his act together, at some point he could flip flop with Gaffney (and probably have slightly better fantasy value than Gaffney would have in the same role).

"so you're saying there's a chance..." / Lloyd ChristmasThx DY. I'm probably one of the overly enthusiastic Gaffney (dynasty) owners who feared/assumed Jackson would finally take the job over if healthy. Granted we haven't seen the first unit on offense play together w/ Brady, so BB may be playing w/ us. IF one of these guys takes over (i.e. gets 70+% of the WR2 work), I think they could be a nice WR3 FF option - maybe 65 / 700 / 5 as D's will be foreced to gameplan for Moss w/ saftey help over the top and nickel corners chasing Welker around.Agree that if they split the WR2 in half, it will be