R. Moss v. Colston (1 Viewer)

[skillz]

Both certainly have upside but also carry with them some degree of risk.

Colston's negatives:

1. Had a solid rookie year but will he be able to repeat it? Michael Clayton had a good rookie year but never came close to repeating it. Can this happen to Colston too?

2. Horn was the WR1 who drew the #1 CB from the opposing team. That will not be the case this year.

3. Will the WR2 be able to keep defenses honest from focusing their coverages on Colston.

4. Colston had injury problems last year and is already experiencing "general soreness" in his legs this preseason. Will he be able to hold up over the entire season.

Moss' negatives:

1. Despite his great years in Minnesota, he hasn't had a good season since.

2. He is becoming more prone to injury as he gets older -- the hammy issue in preseason is another example of that.

3. Is his head on straight? Meaning will he get in Belichick's doghouse if he complains about not getting the ball enough and end up getting "Keyshawned" at some point in the season.

4. NE likes to spread the ball around which means less receptions for Moss.

5. Needs to transition to a new offense and the lack of playing time in preseason due to his hammy injury won't help with the transition.

Personally, I see Moss as the bigger risk. I think Colston will be solid (1,200 yards, 10 TD's) although I am still concerned about his ability to stay healthy. What does everyone else think?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I like Colston better this season than Moss (who I think will be very good) but admittedly he's the higher risk only because he actually hasn't been a stud yet whereas Moss obviously has. He was on his way last season to that level but as of yet hasn't reached it.

 

[az_prof]

I like Colston better this season than Moss (who I think will be very good) but admittedly he's the higher risk only because he actually hasn't been a stud yet whereas Moss obviously has. He was on his way last season to that level but as of yet hasn't reached it.

Moss hasn't been a stud in three years; Colston was a stud last year.Moss hasn't practiced since Aug. 1; while Colston is an injury concern also, Moss at his age is an even greater one.Moss plays in an offense that spreads the ball around; Colson is the focus of his team's passing attack.Colston and it isn't even close.

 

[Blackjacks]

I like Colston better this season than Moss (who I think will be very good) but admittedly he's the higher risk only because he actually hasn't been a stud yet whereas Moss obviously has. He was on his way last season to that level but as of yet hasn't reached it.

Moss hasn't been a stud in three years; Colston was a stud last year.Moss hasn't practiced since Aug. 1; while Colston is an injury concern also, Moss at his age is an even greater one.

Moss plays in an offense that spreads the ball around; Colson is the focus of his team's passing attack.

Colston and it isn't even close.

Moss has finished in the top 20 2 of the last 3 years, maybe not stud status but concidering where he was playing, his health and who was throwing him the ball not that bad. Colston finished up 14 in an unbelievable season.Are you serious? Your saying NO doesn't spread the ball around....I think you should look again cause last time I looked Bush was their leading reciever and this year Henderson, Copper and Eric Johnson are gonna cut into those #'s as well. And for future purposes don't forget about their #1 draft choice this year Meacheam! In NE Moss is joining often hurt Stallworth, "the little engine that could" Welker and a nice player in Watson and "BUG EYES" Caldwell and Gaffney. I definetly think Moss is in the better offense now if he decides to take advantage of it is another ?

I'm not saying Moss is gonna be a stud this year, I think he could but I fell in that trap last year and he has to proove it to me this year. But to answer the ? I think he has a better chance this year than Colston.

In his last year in Minn., and his last year in a good offense, while banged up Dude still caught 13 tds. Tell me Colston has the ability to do that.

 

[jurb26]

Moss has more upside and I think will likely outperform Colston. Seeing that he is actually "injured" right now I would say he is higher risk though.

 

[rvarnell]

Isn't Moss playing for a contract? That might make him more serious this year than in the past.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I like Colston better this season than Moss (who I think will be very good) but admittedly he's the higher risk only because he actually hasn't been a stud yet whereas Moss obviously has. He was on his way last season to that level but as of yet hasn't reached it.

Moss hasn't been a stud in three years; Colston was a stud last year.Moss hasn't practiced since Aug. 1; while Colston is an injury concern also, Moss at his age is an even greater one.

Moss plays in an offense that spreads the ball around; Colson is the focus of his team's passing attack.

Colston and it isn't even close.

Moss has finished in the top 20 2 of the last 3 years, maybe not stud status but concidering where he was playing, his health and who was throwing him the ball not that bad. Colston finished up 14 in an unbelievable season.Are you serious? Your saying NO doesn't spread the ball around....I think you should look again cause last time I looked Bush was their leading reciever and this year Henderson, Copper and Eric Johnson are gonna cut into those #'s as well. And for future purposes don't forget about their #1 draft choice this year Meacheam! In NE Moss is joining often hurt Stallworth, "the little engine that could" Welker and a nice player in Watson and "BUG EYES" Caldwell and Gaffney. I definetly think Moss is in the better offense now if he decides to take advantage of it is another ?

I'm not saying Moss is gonna be a stud this year, I think he could but I fell in that trap last year and he has to proove it to me this year. But to answer the ? I think he has a better chance this year than Colston.

In his last year in Minn., and his last year in a good offense, while banged up Dude still caught 13 tds. Tell me Colston has the ability to do that.

He did catch 8 touchdowns playing 3/4 of the season. As the #1 receiving threat in an extremely high powered offense I think he has a great chance to score double digit touchdowns and 13 touchdowns isn't out of the question either.

 

[J-Rock]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving. Colston doesn't. All Colston has proven is that he has the tools to be a great receiver in the NFL. He could struggle to produce last year numbers, sure. Both guys could get hurt but I'd say a 30 year old has a higher probability of injury than a 24 year old.

The question was who is the bigger risk. Moss' recent history makes him the bigger risk IMO.

 

[PatsFanCT]

The "Pats spread the ball around" shtick just never seems to get old, does it?

 

[jurb26]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving.

Through 7 years of his career he was on a pace matched only by Rice.

 

[J-Rock]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving.

Through 7 years of his career he was on a pace matched only by Rice.

Who cares! Were not talking about Moss 3 years ago, were talking about Moss today. He has a recent history of underachieving. His name still makes people reach for him in drafts thinking maybe, just maybe he can find his Freak again. Not going to happen. Moss is done.

 

[jurb26]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving.

Through 7 years of his career he was on a pace matched only by Rice.

Who cares! Were not talking about Moss 3 years ago, were talking about Moss today. He has a recent history of underachieving. His name still makes people reach for him in drafts thinking maybe, just maybe he can find his Freak again. Not going to happen. Moss is done.

Right, now that you've changed your story I suppose I'm convinced. Mos is still more talented now than Colston will likely ever be. Now staying healthy, that's a different story.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

One is improving and hasn't yet reached his full potential.

The other is very much past his prime.

No-brainer here, IMO.

 

[Zigg]

Moss was a physical freak who relied 95% on his physical tools. He's now 30 years old and not the same athlete he used to be. Moss is no longer anything more than an average receiver.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Moss is a phenomenally gifted athlete bordering on Hall of Fame. Colston is a sophomore.

How is there even a debate about this one?

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Moss is a phenomenally gifted athlete bordering on Hall of Fame. Colston is a sophomore. How is there even a debate about this one?

Moss hasn't put up HOF type numbers for years. He has a number of nagging injuries, and the Moss you're think of exists today only in our memories.

 

[kensat30]

Randy Moss is the definition of risk. And he's not worth it.

 

[sheerterror]

Moss is a phenomenally gifted athlete bordering on Hall of Fame. Colston is a sophomore. How is there even a debate about this one?

Because he is bordering on the Hall of Fame thanks to his achievements 3+ seasons ago, not because of how he has performed lately. Would you have drafted Jerry Rice over, say, Chad Johnson back in 2004 just because, at the time Rice was well on his way to the Hall of Fame thanks to previous remarkable seasons?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Moss is a phenomenally gifted athlete bordering on Hall of Fame. Colston is a sophomore. How is there even a debate about this one?

Because he is bordering on the Hall of Fame thanks to his achievements 3+ seasons ago, not because of how he has performed lately. Would you have drafted Jerry Rice over, say, Chad Johnson back in 2004 just because, at the time Rice was well on his way to the Hall of Fame thanks to previous remarkable seasons?

Wasn't 2004 Jerry Rice's 19th year in the league? Not quite the same. Moss has plenty left, but there's no sense arguing it now. We'll let the season decide.

 

[kensat30]

Moss lost his speed. The guy got caught from behind by a safety. That was the aspect of his game that made him "great" instead of just "good".

 

[SSOG]

Moss is far and away the riskier of the two WRs.

 

[Assani Fisher]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving.

Through 7 years of his career he was on a pace matched only by Rice.

Who cares! Were not talking about Moss 3 years ago, were talking about Moss today. He has a recent history of underachieving. His name still makes people reach for him in drafts thinking maybe, just maybe he can find his Freak again. Not going to happen. Moss is done.

1st post"Moss has a history of....."

2nd post

"we're talking about Moss today."

 

[Blackjacks]

A huge risk yes, an injury risk yes, higher upside...without a doubt.

I love it how people just want to talk about his #'s the last 2 years. I ask everyone on this board to ask themselves who they think the most talented wr in the game is today.....................

Now once you have your answer I want you to answer this ?

Could _( your answer)_ have preformed better than 1000 yards and 8 td's in Oakland's offense in the last 2 years.

I'm not even taking into the fact that he was hurt that year cause injuries happen.

Last year he gave up and there is no reason for that but I still don't think that has to do with talent.

Remember that Moss's first 4 games with Oakland he was on fire before he tweaked his hip and his last 3 games were descent fantasy options also. Last year that team just sucked plain and simple.

 

[jurb26]

Last year that team just sucked plain and simple.

That was the worst offense I have ever seen.... by a huge amount! It looked like a 3 year old kid was playing madden against his 14 year old brother. Drop back to pass, not even 3 steps into the drop and sacked by 2 guys.

 

[Blackjacks]

Last year that team just sucked plain and simple.

That was the worst offense I have ever seen.... by a huge amount! It looked like a 3 year old kid was playing madden against his 14 year old brother. Drop back to pass, not even 3 steps into the drop and sacked by 2 guys.

AgreedBut I'd like to add the 3 year old was mentally ######ed and his older brother was a rocket scientist.

 

[az_prof]

The "Pats spread the ball around" shtick just never seems to get old, does it?

When have they had a top 10, featured WR? It is not a shtick; it's reality.

 

[Blackjacks]

The "Pats spread the ball around" shtick just never seems to get old, does it?

When have they had a top 10, featured WR? It is not a shtick; it's reality.

When have they ever had a top ten talent though?Name their leading reciever in the last 7 years and maybe you'll understand why they've spread it around.

 

[SproutDaddy]

2. Horn was the WR1 who drew the #1 CB from the opposing team. That will not be the case this year.

I don't think this could be used as an argument since Horn only played in ten games and started nine of those games. He also was in Coach Payton's doghouse most of the year.

 

[Fantaholic]

Bottom line. You can't put Moss in a wheel chair yet. Saying that, before seeing what happens this year is simply pre-mature and a matter of opinion. Moss is merely 30 years of age. Rice was over 40 when he retired. Moss played the last two years in Oakland where the term "organizational chaos" can't even begin to describe those two years. In his last year in Minnesota he had 13 Td's in 13 games.

Let's see what Randy does this year before we dismiss him as a senior citizen.

 

[joffer]

don't really like either of them this year, but if i had to choose, i'll take Colston. Moss + his trick groin/hamstring + Belicheck's secrecy on injuries =

 

[Blackjacks]

A huge risk yes, an injury risk yes, higher upside...without a doubt.I love it how people just want to talk about his #'s the last 2 years. I ask everyone on this board to ask themselves who they think the most talented wr in the game is today..................... Now once you have your answer I want you to answer this ?Could _( your answer)_ have preformed better than 1000 yards and 8 td's in Oakland's offense in the last 2 years.I'm not even taking into the fact that he was hurt that year cause injuries happen. Last year he gave up and there is no reason for that but I still don't think that has to do with talent.Remember that Moss's first 4 games with Oakland he was on fire before he tweaked his hip and his last 3 games were descent fantasy options also. Last year that team just sucked plain and simple.

So I guess no one on this board thinks any wr could have preformed out there then.

 

[JMJ]

Colston will be beastly this year.

Moss will have 49 receptions, 760 yards, 6 TDs.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Moss will have 49 receptions, 760 yards, 6 TDs.

And that's just against the Jets!

 

[J-Rock]

To me it is simple. Moss has a history of underachieving.

Through 7 years of his career he was on a pace matched only by Rice.

Who cares! Were not talking about Moss 3 years ago, were talking about Moss today. He has a recent history of underachieving. His name still makes people reach for him in drafts thinking maybe, just maybe he can find his Freak again. Not going to happen. Moss is done.

1st post"Moss has a history of....."

2nd post

"we're talking about Moss today."

Thanks for adding value to this thread. I think most objective people know what I'm trying to say here but I'll spell it out real clear for you. Moss' recent history makes him the riskier pick today.

I haven't changed my story, I've just tried to simplify it for those having a hard time following.