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[ImTheScientist]

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?

What coach would say that they don't think a player can be "the guy".... Are you serious?

Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

John Schneider is from Green Bay and thats his philosophy....he learned from the best. So far he has had 2 years.....They didn't sign TJax to be "the Guy", Im not sure why you are stuck on that.... show me where they said he's the franchise QB/QOTF? They have said they believe in him....why would anyone say they don't? They burnt a 3rd round pick (and drop down in the 2nd) on Whitehurst. But again...they believe in acquiring QB talent...they didn't say Whitehurst was the QOTF....they didn't pay him like one....they paid a third round pick to see what he was. Green Bay spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm......same deal. Gotta keep moving talent in and out because you don't know at the QB position what you have till you see them in your offense.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

They have 1 playoff victory in 2 years and have completely changed their roster around while doing so putting their players in place. When did I say they could continue to throw 7-9 seasons together? How have they wasted money and picks? They have actually had some of the best drafts in the NFL the last 2 years.....look at the percentages of people still on the team, look at how many people late they have got that have bright NFL futures..... Acquisition of Clemons, Red Bryant to DE, drafting Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Kam Chancelor late to name a few... all HUGE late round picks.... You are really uniformed when it comes to football.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I was never a Hasselsack fan, but there is a time when you have to move on from everyone. They wanted to move on from him (just as Indy did Peyton, or GB did Favre) and put the franchise in a new direction. Hass wanted a 2 year deal and they only offered 1. He may not have got the money he wanted either..... I don't see the humor in GB developed QBs..... but if you are going to take a shot at one...why not go w/ whats been successful for years. Whats funny about that?You sound like you are a Carrol hater...thats fine. Im glad he gets under your skin..... as a hawks fan its enjoyable to see you trolled by a HC. I just wish you were a little more logical with your comments so there was some sort of intelligent debate.

 

[ImTheScientist]

http://youtu.be/CLxxfDp-j-M?t=1m22s

 

[werdnoynek]

Yeah. Everyone who KNOWS they've GOT their GUY signs them to TWO year deals. That's CERTAINLY not a clue that THEY'RE building a team AROUND a position. SORRY you think coaches TELL the truth all THE time, but they don't. That's WHY I said people who thought Whitehurst or Jackson WERE serious long term SOLUTIONS weren't paying ATTENTION. Two YEAR deal = TRYOUT.

 

[werdnoynek]

OP, instead of defending your image, maybe you should consider what the homers are saying rather than completely ignoring them and repeating your first post over and OVER and over.

 

[ImTheScientist]

OP, instead of defending your image, maybe you should consider what the homers are saying rather than completely ignoring them and repeating your first post over and OVER and over.

Its the sign of someone with ZERO argument.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I don't know about the Hawks QB situation to provide any detailed information but just ran accross this short video concerning rookies who flashed in OTAs where they mentioned Wilson.

Thought it might be of interest for any who wanted more information on the rookie.

Seems he impressed the coaches enough in OTAs to get mentioned as a contender for the starting job but from all appearances it seems that Flynn will win the starting job. Not sure of T-Jax at all but for the Hawks to acquire the top FA QB and use a (I think third round) draft choice for another QB speaks to how the Seattle coaching staff views Jackson as a starter.

Link:

My link

 

[werdnoynek]

fwiw... the cardinals are splitting reps between Skelton & Kolb as well. so obviously Whisenhunt doesn't know what he's doing either. why make guys compete for their jobs... they get paid to have their job given to them on a silver platter. OBVIOUSLY.

 

[SWC]

one thing that would be awesome is if he oepned the competition to everyone on the team from the punters to the lineman and what if someone crazy won the job like a starting l guard and all of the sudden it took like 8 guys to tackle him but surprise suckas he can throw the long ball man it would blow the doors off the nfl and basically the seahawks would be unstoppable and walk right through the league take that to the open tryout bank brohans

 

[ImTheScientist]

one thing that would be awesome is if he oepned the competition to everyone on the team from the punters to the lineman and what if someone crazy won the job like a starting l guard and all of the sudden it took like 8 guys to tackle him but surprise suckas he can throw the long ball man it would blow the doors off the nfl and basically the seahawks would be unstoppable and walk right through the league take that to the open tryout bank brohans

A yes....sumo goalie

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

one thing that would be awesome is if he oepned the competition to everyone on the team from the punters to the lineman and what if someone crazy won the job like a starting l guard and all of the sudden it took like 8 guys to tackle him but surprise suckas he can throw the long ball man it would blow the doors off the nfl and basically the seahawks would be unstoppable and walk right through the league take that to the open tryout bank brohans

The thread saver.

 

[PDX Pain]

I think it would be pre mature to drop final judgement on what Pete has, or will do in Seattle. Certainly, it's obvious that every move has not been a home run, but on the flip side Pete's regime has made more player moves over the course of two seasons than any franchise in NFL history. You can't expect a front office to hit on every move under those circumstances. I give Pete a ton of credit for being his own man, for being contrarian, for taking chances and ultimately attempting to build a team in a completely unique way. It's cliche, but only time will tell what happens from here. Pete needs two more seasons, IMO. Then you can judge him. He's set himself up to be a ground breaking genius or a complete bust. I respect his approach and am very curious to see how it pans out. IMO, it's one of the best story lines in the entire NFL. How "Hard Knocks" wasn't all over Seattle is beyond me........

 

[proninja]

I think it would be pre mature to drop final judgement on what Pete has, or will do in Seattle. Certainly, it's obvious that every move has not been a home run, but on the flip side Pete's regime has made more player moves over the course of two seasons than any franchise in NFL history. You can't expect a front office to hit on every move under those circumstances. I give Pete a ton of credit for being his own man, for being contrarian, for taking chances and ultimately attempting to build a team in a completely unique way. It's cliche, but only time will tell what happens from here. Pete needs two more seasons, IMO. Then you can judge him. He's set himself up to be a ground breaking genius or a complete bust. I respect his approach and am very curious to see how it pans out. IMO, it's one of the best story lines in the entire NFL. How "Hard Knocks" wasn't all over Seattle is beyond me........

they were, PCJS said no

 

[Shutout]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

 

[werdnoynek]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

speaking of denial...

 

[Shutout]

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?

What coach would say that they don't think a player can be "the guy".... Are you serious?

Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

John Schneider is from Green Bay and thats his philosophy....he learned from the best. So far he has had 2 years.....They didn't sign TJax to be "the Guy", Im not sure why you are stuck on that.... show me where they said he's the franchise QB/QOTF? They have said they believe in him....why would anyone say they don't? They burnt a 3rd round pick (and drop down in the 2nd) on Whitehurst. But again...they believe in acquiring QB talent...they didn't say Whitehurst was the QOTF....they didn't pay him like one....they paid a third round pick to see what he was. Green Bay spent a 2nd round pick on Brohm......same deal. Gotta keep moving talent in and out because you don't know at the QB position what you have till you see them in your offense.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

They have 1 playoff victory in 2 years and have completely changed their roster around while doing so putting their players in place. When did I say they could continue to throw 7-9 seasons together? How have they wasted money and picks? They have actually had some of the best drafts in the NFL the last 2 years.....look at the percentages of people still on the team, look at how many people late they have got that have bright NFL futures..... Acquisition of Clemons, Red Bryant to DE, drafting Richard Sherman, KJ Wright, Kam Chancelor late to name a few... all HUGE late round picks.... You are really uniformed when it comes to football.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I was never a Hasselsack fan, but there is a time when you have to move on from everyone. They wanted to move on from him (just as Indy did Peyton, or GB did Favre) and put the franchise in a new direction. Hass wanted a 2 year deal and they only offered 1. He may not have got the money he wanted either..... I don't see the humor in GB developed QBs..... but if you are going to take a shot at one...why not go w/ whats been successful for years. Whats funny about that?You sound like you are a Carrol hater...thats fine. Im glad he gets under your skin..... as a hawks fan its enjoyable to see you trolled by a HC. I just wish you were a little more logical with your comments so there was some sort of intelligent debate.

An A)honest one or B)one that can assess talent correctly.The rest of those 50 replies...just more garbaldy ####. Facts are facts and you apparently can't find yours behind your neon green colored glasses.

Instead of defending these guys ad naseum, why don't you look at things unbiased and ask yourself "Would a good team do this"?

Honestly, I'm not a Carroll hater at all. I just have the ability to be unbiased and i see this as a waste of time. I would say the same thing about Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, or any other coach, if they were wasting reps like this.

 

[The High Priest]

Yup better get you a boat cause you are swimming in denial....Shutout sounds like a jilted lover

 

[werdnoynek]

the fact that you see competition in OTA's as a waste of time is hysterical, imo. i think i'm done here, there's no use continuing.

 

[Shutout]

OP, instead of defending your image, maybe you should consider what the homers are saying rather than completely ignoring them and repeating your first post over and OVER and over.

Its the sign of someone with ZERO argument.

Its the sign of someone who says something that other people can't build a valid response to.The great thing about a post like this is I throw the popcorn out and all the homer-pigeons come out and gobble it up. They defend their HC and GM without exception but at the end of the day, the REAL point that no one can discredit is the first one. This is the kind of thread that can only be proven in time. We will see, but as a person who is neither a Hawks fan nor hater (opposed to popular erroneous assumption), I'm not nearly as emotionally invested as a few people are.

 

[Shutout]

Yup better get you a boat cause you are swimming in denial....Shutout sounds like a jilted lover

I'm not a Hawks fan nor a Hawks hater. Honestly, I laugh every day I see this post still on the first page because it was just a simple thing:Teams split reps all the time. But teams also talk, ad naseum, about how critically important it is to get as many reps as possible, how it hurts when guys aren't on the field for wahtever reason, how crucial it is for a team to have a leader.Yet, the Seahawks, have THREE guys and they talk them ALL up. Maybe when I see the Packers and patriots and Steelers (you know, the good teams) start opening up the "competition" like this, I'll buy it. Until then, i will assume those teams do it the right way and the Hawks are not right now.If you have a true 3-way QB competition and you honestly think any of them can win it, then you either have three STUD QBs or you have a lot of spaghetti in a pot (or, you truly DO have a good QB but just don't know it). Either way, time will tell what the Seahawks get out of this.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Maybe when I see the Packers and patriots and Steelers (you know, the good teams) start opening up the "competition" like this, I'll buy it. Until then, i will assume those teams do it the right way and the Hawks are not right now.

Question for the Jilted Lover. When you know what you have why would you hold a 3 way competition? Its OTA's....chill out.

Teams split reps all the time. But teams also talk, ad naseum, about how critically important it is to get as many reps as possible, how it hurts when guys aren't on the field for wahtever reason, how crucial it is for a team to have a leader.

Last time I checked leadership was earned on the field and not anointed by a head coach.

 

[werdnoynek]

i have to bite again... this is just too ridiculous, though it's probably useless.

so matt flynn, who's played 2.75 complete games in the NFL, should be named the starter the first week of OTA's without competition? you make it seem like he's earned the right to be a starter in the NFL somehow when he's never competed for a starting job! why should he just be handed the keys and tavaris jackson should be kicked to the curb with no competition whatsoever? it's obvious that jackson isn't a great QB and is not the leader of this team... but why should a guy who just arrived in seattle be named the leader and starting QB without earning it? how does that look to the rest of the team if he's just handed the keys outright? this is a competitive game with competitive players. the best way to get the most out of every person on your team is to make them feel like they can earn a starting job and keep that in the back of their minds always so they don't get complacent and just settle for being a backup. again, this is OTA's... teams have to see what they have in every one of their players at this time before they start making cuts. naming a starter now out of three guys who have done nothing in the NFL thus far is absolutely ridiculous. if flynn had actually shown he could be a starting QB in this league already i'd completely agree with you, but he hasn't... also, why the hell would teams with an established starter who has won a SB('s) with them need to hold a QB competition!?

you seem to be dancing around the fact it's OTA's and other teams are doing the same thing though and saying carroll doesn't know what he's doing. so tell us... what is the real problem you have with carroll? because this QB competition in OTA's is a non issue.

 

[Lash]

What record do the Seahawks have to have at wk 10 (their bye) for Wilson not to start the rest of the year?

W: AZ, STL, MIN

L: DAL, GB, CAR, NE, SF, DET, NYJ

I don't think 3-7 cuts it even if Flynn did get $10mil.

5-5 or 6-4. Their front half of the schedule is loaded....but nationally the hawks are an unknown because of the Southeast Alaska isolation factor. They will surprise and contend with SF for the NFC WEST.PRO TIP: IDPers....don't sleep on Richard Sherman...just sayin

can you explain what that isGoogle gave me exactly ONE result when i typed it in .... THIS THREAD

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=h9&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Southeast+Alaska+isolation+factor%22&oq=%22Southeast+Alaska+isolation+factor%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...2984.5458.1.5733.2.2.0.0.0.0.98.196.2.2.0...0.0.z0wlwggJNzk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=80f92b156a9e6a4a&ix=h9&biw=1366&bih=667

 

[ImTheScientist]

can you explain what that isGoogle gave me exactly ONE result when i typed it in .... THIS THREAD

Geographically Washington State is Southeast of Alaska. In terms of the NFL the Seahawks are the most geographically isolated team....... so as a joke people say we're "Southeast Alaska" ... Nobody in the lower 48 really thinks of Alaska...just as nobody in the NFL really thinks of the Seahawks. Its true...and we know it...so why not poke fun at yourself. Being isolated as we are you don't get near the national media coverage as most teams even when you are good. The only way the Seahawks get a ton of national media coverage would be to make the superbowl.

 

[mad sweeney]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Titans coach Mike Munchak says Jake Locker and Matt Hasselbeck will split reps 50:50 down the middle until a starter is named.And Munchak hopes to name that starter ahead of the third preseason game, which NFL teams traditionally treat like a true regular-season audition. "Going into that third game you would like to have an idea of what your plan is," Munchak said. "I feel so good about both of them I am not necessarily leaning either way on it. I feel like either way it is going to be a good situation for the team."

 

[DawnBTVS]

I think there are a couple issues with the concept of a 3 QB competition...

#1 is financial. Your organization pays a lot of money to a single QB. If he loses out on the competition, you're now paying a lot of money to a QB who is a backup and at best starts 1/4 to 1/2 the season (depending on injuries usually). How many years as an organization can you go through paying said QB that amount to simply be a backup? Eventually you run into a scenario where you need to trade/cut him (see Brady and Bledsoe going into 2002 when Bledsoe would've been the backup despite his big contract).

#2 is depth wise. You name your starter but talk up every QB on the roster. Eventually said starter goes down to injury and backup performs well. Do you have yet another 3 way competition the next offseason? What about the year after that if the named starter fails to impress? If the starter goes 16 games, finishes 8-8 with respectable stats, is he immune from competition? In a nutshell I guess, where is the barometer between allowing competition to be for the starting QB vs competition between the backup and #3 to be the backup?

 

[Shutout]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

 

[Shawn]

if they release him couldn't ariz sign him?

 

[Shawn]

I like Fitz slightly better with tarvaris throwing to him than kolb/skelton

 

[ex-ghost]

if they release him couldn't ariz sign him?

Sure.

 

[mad sweeney]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

How so? It's exactly what I said would was going on (which btw, on Seahawks Insider Pete said today that they haven't discussed, nor has TJ brought up going somewhere else). Find tackling dummies on the cheap and build a team while waiting to cherry pick the "franchise" QB to plug into a somewhat experienced offense with a great D to back him up. Having a hard time figuring out how you're claiming victory here.

 

[Shutout]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

How so? It's exactly what I said would was going on (which btw, on Seahawks Insider Pete said today that they haven't discussed, nor has TJ brought up going somewhere else). Find tackling dummies on the cheap and build a team while waiting to cherry pick the "franchise" QB to plug into a somewhat experienced offense with a great D to back him up. Having a hard time figuring out how you're claiming victory here.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Tarvaris Jackson was never a serious contender to start in 2012.We suspected as much once Matt Flynn landed $10 million in guarantees. The same source confirms the Seahawks have already spoken to a couple of teams about a trade, which explains the hesitance to risk an injury to Jackson in preseason action. Seattle's front office is waiting for the league-wide QB landscape to change. Due $4 million this year, Jackson would only accrue trade value if another starter goes down to injury.

Just keeps getting better, huh ?

I said fromt he very first post that this was rediculous RAH RAH talk with no reasonable truth in it and yet you and a few others STILL try to spin it?

C'mon man, admit your defeat. There was simply NO truth in in when three months ago your HC stood there and said that TJAX was in the plan and had a chance to be the starter.

My criticism then, other than calling out the obvious lies, was that it wasted valuable reps and time to the legit contenders. How you guys can continue to try to justify it, despite multiple reports literally saying "he was NEVER a serious contender" is beyond me.

I'm glad they came clean early. There are still a few weeks to get time in and get the team valuable practice time with its real QB. I understand some of you guys being the homers that you are but you would think that at some point, even a homer can see what's best for their team.

Rah! Rah! Seahawks!

 

[werdnoynek]

 

[mad sweeney]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

How so? It's exactly what I said would was going on (which btw, on Seahawks Insider Pete said today that they haven't discussed, nor has TJ brought up going somewhere else). Find tackling dummies on the cheap and build a team while waiting to cherry pick the "franchise" QB to plug into a somewhat experienced offense with a great D to back him up. Having a hard time figuring out how you're claiming victory here.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Tarvaris Jackson was never a serious contender to start in 2012.We suspected as much once Matt Flynn landed $10 million in guarantees. The same source confirms the Seahawks have already spoken to a couple of teams about a trade, which explains the hesitance to risk an injury to Jackson in preseason action. Seattle's front office is waiting for the league-wide QB landscape to change. Due $4 million this year, Jackson would only accrue trade value if another starter goes down to injury.

Just keeps getting better, huh ?

I said fromt he very first post that this was rediculous RAH RAH talk with no reasonable truth in it and yet you and a few others STILL try to spin it?

C'mon man, admit your defeat. There was simply NO truth in in when three months ago your HC stood there and said that TJAX was in the plan and had a chance to be the starter.

My criticism then, other than calling out the obvious lies, was that it wasted valuable reps and time to the legit contenders. How you guys can continue to try to justify it, despite multiple reports literally saying "he was NEVER a serious contender" is beyond me.

I'm glad they came clean early. There are still a few weeks to get time in and get the team valuable practice time with its real QB. I understand some of you guys being the homers that you are but you would think that at some point, even a homer can see what's best for their team.

Rah! Rah! Seahawks!

I'm not spinning anything. I said from the beginning not to listen to coachspeak and that TJ was a placeholder until they found their QB. Now TJ's as good as gone. I even showed you another example of coachspeak when Carroll was saying it wasn't being discussed despite two outlets reporting that it was. You seem to be the only one that believed PC when he said it was a 3 way competition. THey needed to make sure Flynn and/or Wilson was good enough and Tj was as good as gone. Sorry if you're misreading my stance on the issue, but I never considered TJ in the plans this season. As I said, the plan was obvious to people paying attention and it's going down exactly as I predicted.Eta: go back and read post 21 and tell me how I'm spinning this. You must have me confused with dilbert the scientist, one of the worst homers in board history.

 

[Shutout]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

How so? It's exactly what I said would was going on (which btw, on Seahawks Insider Pete said today that they haven't discussed, nor has TJ brought up going somewhere else). Find tackling dummies on the cheap and build a team while waiting to cherry pick the "franchise" QB to plug into a somewhat experienced offense with a great D to back him up. Having a hard time figuring out how you're claiming victory here.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Tarvaris Jackson was never a serious contender to start in 2012.We suspected as much once Matt Flynn landed $10 million in guarantees. The same source confirms the Seahawks have already spoken to a couple of teams about a trade, which explains the hesitance to risk an injury to Jackson in preseason action. Seattle's front office is waiting for the league-wide QB landscape to change. Due $4 million this year, Jackson would only accrue trade value if another starter goes down to injury.

Just keeps getting better, huh ?

I said fromt he very first post that this was rediculous RAH RAH talk with no reasonable truth in it and yet you and a few others STILL try to spin it?

C'mon man, admit your defeat. There was simply NO truth in in when three months ago your HC stood there and said that TJAX was in the plan and had a chance to be the starter.

My criticism then, other than calling out the obvious lies, was that it wasted valuable reps and time to the legit contenders. How you guys can continue to try to justify it, despite multiple reports literally saying "he was NEVER a serious contender" is beyond me.

I'm glad they came clean early. There are still a few weeks to get time in and get the team valuable practice time with its real QB. I understand some of you guys being the homers that you are but you would think that at some point, even a homer can see what's best for their team.

Rah! Rah! Seahawks!

I'm not spinning anything. I said from the beginning not to listen to coachspeak and that TJ was a placeholder until they found their QB. Now TJ's as good as gone. I even showed you another example of coachspeak when Carroll was saying it wasn't being discussed despite two outlets reporting that it was. You seem to be the only one that believed PC when he said it was a 3 way competition. THey needed to make sure Flynn and/or Wilson was good enough and Tj was as good as gone. Sorry if you're misreading my stance on the issue, but I never considered TJ in the plans this season. As I said, the plan was obvious to people paying attention and it's going down exactly as I predicted.

Are you absolutely high or can you just not read and comprehend? My very first post was NOTHING BUT me calling out PC for saying that there was a legit 3-way competition and stating that it was a waste of valuable practice and reps.And then you said.."It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away."

At this point, I just gotta write this off to "since I said this way back in May, you've just forgotten what this was all about".

In the end, its clear. The coach engaged in coach speak, he got called out for it. A flock of sea-homers defended him, the truth is now out, valuable time was wasted, but at least they are going in the right direction.

My entire point from the beginning has been just what I said in the first post. I certianly never bought what he was saying. It was just the opposite as I was calling for a end to it.

Go back and look when the last time an NFL team said they had a legit 3-way QB competition and how that team fared. It's rediculous and almost non-existant.

Google 3-way QB competition and the top 50 answers you get are all Seahawks and college teams and that pretty much was my entire point from the beginning: Its a college RAH RAH move, doesn't belong (or work) in the NFL. These are paid pros, not Pee wee leagues where every player gets a pat on the back and a trophy.

I'm not a Hawks (or Caroll) hater or fanatic. I honestly hope the team does well. I just know some of what absolutely doesn't work in the NFL and a couple of those things are going .500 or so every year and NOT having a QB. The QB is the most important player on the field. A team needs a clear leader and all that practice time is extremely valuable. Wasting 2 out of every 3 days for Flynn and Wilson in who they get practice with and confusing the team in being able to get behind a leader is not in their best interests and isn't necessary. Pete and the hawks had a whole year and several other years worth of film to observe to know what TJAX was and wasn't. It was obvious he Wasn't. I was just calling to move on ...in the right direction. I hope they do.

 

[mad sweeney]

Tjax was just a placeholder... EVERYONE KNEW THAT....if you didn't you missed the boat. Throwing a rookie or anyone behind that line at the begining of last year would have been idiotic.....bottom line. NOBODY was thinking Tjax was the future. The entire plan was to build the team...then find the QB. Its been the plan since Pete/John arrived. I guess you are just uniformed.

Lol....ignorant. Their philosophy is similar to Green Bay... you will probably see them draft a QB every year. Do you really think Hasselbeck is that good? I don't even think he's top 20...but build your franchise around him if you want.

Then I guess by EVERYONE, everyone does not include your HC because your coach is on record as saying he thinks TJAX can still be the guy. If EVERYONE knew that wasn't the case, again I ask, why are they wasting time going through the motions?Just because you draft a QB every year (or trade for one in this case) doesn't mean you are Green Bay. Green Bay knew how to do it. So far, Seattle doesn't.

They signed TJAX a year ago and said he could be the guy. So, since you say this was all part of a bigger plan and TJAX isn't in it, they either lied then or they are lying now (or were just wrong then or worng now, whichever you prefer). Then they burned a high draft pick on a flat out bust AFTER they said they had their guy.

You can't have it both ways. If you think anyone is going to survive long churning out 7-9 seasons, wasting money and picks on misses and hoping to throw a bunch of spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks, then maybe you're the one who is uniformed.

I didn't say HASS was great or assign a rank to him but I KNOW that he was then (and still is now) better than TJAX and has a lot he could help teach to any new QB. I find it funny that you basically trashed the only QB you ever had that WAS GOOD ENOUGH to get you to the Super Bowl. And then you make a comparison to Green Bay in regards to drafting QBs every year and the FACTS are that the best one you ever had was one you got from Green Bay and the one you have the best hope for now is one that Green Bay developed. Pretty funny stuff.

The whole jist of this is not a beat down on the Hawks as a whole or their improvement from where they sunk. Its a comment about how the Head coach is playing like he's coaching 5th graders, trying to talk it up like he thinks EVERYONE can be a winner, but he talked it up last year and it was so bad he brought in not one, but Two new QBs, and all he is doing now is wasting time, reps, and experience by continuing with TJAX.

I'm not Pete Carroll fan but that's just silly. What do you expect the HC to say? "Hey we got this guy that kind of sucks but we'll just use him as a placeholder for a year or two until we can find the right QB to fit."

I guess I expect a head coach to make good decisions and then not lie out of their teeth or be in complete denial about it.Or, in other words, don't compound mistakes by trying to cover up a bad thing last year by wasting time this year.

And exactly how many coaches admit to mistakes? But that doesn't even matter here because they're not mistakes. They're low level risks that panned out because it bought time to find 2 guys they think can do the job. You don't think getting Jackson was a tacit admission that they knew CW wasn't the guy? Or that getting Flynn and Wilson aren't the same thing? You are completely myopic in this subject and like I said twice, you're not paying attention and not seeing what's plainly obvious.

Hmmm. Looks like I was hyperopic. Looks like Pete is finally coming around to what I said 3 months ago. Barring an injury to Matt Flynn or Russell Wilson this week, the Seahawks will likely begin shopping Tarvaris Jackson, according to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

With training camps already winding down, it's hard to imagine another team shoe-horning Jackson into a starting gig. Arizona appears to be the one team in the market for a veteran stopgap, and reliable beat writer Kent Somers is shooting down the notion that they might be interested in Jackson. Due $4 million this season, Jackson is more likely to be released than traded.

...Rotoworld

How so? It's exactly what I said would was going on (which btw, on Seahawks Insider Pete said today that they haven't discussed, nor has TJ brought up going somewhere else). Find tackling dummies on the cheap and build a team while waiting to cherry pick the "franchise" QB to plug into a somewhat experienced offense with a great D to back him up. Having a hard time figuring out how you're claiming victory here.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk that Tarvaris Jackson was never a serious contender to start in 2012.We suspected as much once Matt Flynn landed $10 million in guarantees. The same source confirms the Seahawks have already spoken to a couple of teams about a trade, which explains the hesitance to risk an injury to Jackson in preseason action. Seattle's front office is waiting for the league-wide QB landscape to change. Due $4 million this year, Jackson would only accrue trade value if another starter goes down to injury.

Just keeps getting better, huh ?

I said fromt he very first post that this was rediculous RAH RAH talk with no reasonable truth in it and yet you and a few others STILL try to spin it?

C'mon man, admit your defeat. There was simply NO truth in in when three months ago your HC stood there and said that TJAX was in the plan and had a chance to be the starter.

My criticism then, other than calling out the obvious lies, was that it wasted valuable reps and time to the legit contenders. How you guys can continue to try to justify it, despite multiple reports literally saying "he was NEVER a serious contender" is beyond me.

I'm glad they came clean early. There are still a few weeks to get time in and get the team valuable practice time with its real QB. I understand some of you guys being the homers that you are but you would think that at some point, even a homer can see what's best for their team.

Rah! Rah! Seahawks!

I'm not spinning anything. I said from the beginning not to listen to coachspeak and that TJ was a placeholder until they found their QB. Now TJ's as good as gone. I even showed you another example of coachspeak when Carroll was saying it wasn't being discussed despite two outlets reporting that it was. You seem to be the only one that believed PC when he said it was a 3 way competition. THey needed to make sure Flynn and/or Wilson was good enough and Tj was as good as gone. Sorry if you're misreading my stance on the issue, but I never considered TJ in the plans this season. As I said, the plan was obvious to people paying attention and it's going down exactly as I predicted.

Are you absolutely high or can you just not read and comprehend? My very first post was NOTHING BUT me calling out PC for saying that there was a legit 3-way competition and stating that it was a waste of valuable practice and reps.And then you said.."It's the first week of OTAs. Get a grip. If they're splitting reps still at training camp, fire away."

At this point, I just gotta write this off to "since I said this way back in May, you've just forgotten what this was all about".

In the end, its clear. The coach engaged in coach speak, he got called out for it. A flock of sea-homers defended him, the truth is now out, valuable time was wasted, but at least they are going in the right direction.

My entire point from the beginning has been just what I said in the first post. I certianly never bought what he was saying. It was just the opposite as I was calling for a end to it.

Go back and look when the last time an NFL team said they had a legit 3-way QB competition and how that team fared. It's rediculous and almost non-existant.

Google 3-way QB competition and the top 50 answers you get are all Seahawks and college teams and that pretty much was my entire point from the beginning: Its a college RAH RAH move, doesn't belong (or work) in the NFL. These are paid pros, not Pee wee leagues where every player gets a pat on the back and a trophy.

I'm not a Hawks (or Caroll) hater or fanatic. I honestly hope the team does well. I just know some of what absolutely doesn't work in the NFL and a couple of those things are going .500 or so every year and NOT having a QB. The QB is the most important player on the field. A team needs a clear leader and all that practice time is extremely valuable. Wasting 2 out of every 3 days for Flynn and Wilson in who they get practice with and confusing the team in being able to get behind a leader is not in their best interests and isn't necessary. Pete and the hawks had a whole year and several other years worth of film to observe to know what TJAX was and wasn't. It was obvious he Wasn't. I was just calling to move on ...in the right direction. I hope they do.

Fine, fire away about Carroll but don't tell me I'm spinning things when my first sentence in post 21 is exactly what's happening. And I still stand by the fact that while often unorthodox, Carroll's earned the benefit of the doubt and since neither Flynn nor Wilson looked bad in the FIRST preseason game, it doesn't bear getting down in him like you are (go back to college).

 

[SproutDaddy]

I like Fitz slightly better with tarvaris throwing to him than kolb/skelton

Why?

 

[werdnoynek]

i think he just looking for a pat on the back sweeney, give the guy a break ...

 

[Donnybrook]

Funny but predictable turn of events: http://profootballta...d-in-minnesota/

 

[Manster]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

 

[Shutout]

i think he just looking for a pat on the back sweeney, give the guy a break ...

Not looking for a pat on the back. I normally don't bump old threads to say told ya or anything. That's not my focus either. I really only bumped this one because a few people had taken this off course and had so universally accepted everything coming from camp and had hammered me so hard and said things like "I don't like the hawks", Etc that I just wanted to reillustrate my original point I really do want the hawks to improve. Just think you have to have a leader and you can't waste reps and time. Mad Sweeney and I really weren't saying drastically different things. What he says in post 21 isn't very different than my feelings at the beginning posts. We just got sideways somewhere in all that was flying around and have different points of emphasis on the why and how of it all.I think we were both saying tax was not the answer. He just was trying to stress that he was ok with the method PC uses. I wasnt wanting them to waste the reps. The results, it appears are on about the same course.

 

[Shutout]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

That's my concern. I hope they do better because nfl coaches don't survive too many .500 seasons.

 

[mad sweeney]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

That's my concern. I hope they do better because nfl coaches don't survive too many .500 seasons.

Carrol's in no trouble for at least two years after this season barring massive failures. Not just 7-9 but double digit losses.

 

[biju]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

What does 7-9 have to do with being a good or bad NFL coach without the context of the whether the team over overachieving or underachieving? Let's pick an example: Raheem Morris was able to get that 2010 Bucs team to overachieve. In 2011, they underachieved. It's reasonable to say he was a good coach in the 2010 season and wasn't a good coach (for a team that had high expectations) for that 2011 team.Here's another one: Mike Singletary. I'll actually say that Harbaugh is a pretty good coach, but he inherited a very talented team. Singletary single handedly made that a garbage team, and it should be apparent now.The team Pete Carroll and John Schneider inherited in 2010 was very weak in many areas and had no depth across the board. Now they boast a top 10 (and in some circles a top 5) defense, a strong running game and one of the best secondaries in the NFL today. Until now, they haven't had a QB to work with. People will claim that Whitehurst and T-Jack were failures, but they weren't looking for the QBOTF with either of those guys. If they worked out, great, but they were tackling dummies until we were in the position we're in now.Is it going to work? Maybe. But those of you who think he's on the brink of being fired are way off base. He would really have to fall flat this year, and I'm pretty confident even with this schedule that they go 9-7 in 2012. Blind homerism aside, this team is on the upswing from where it was in 2009 and better than the 2011 team.

 

[AngryPatriot]

W e had the PC show in New England and it's not good. Getting Jackson to be the QB just set the franchise in reverse and now this...

it's college level stuff. JUst put Flynn in and see what you have.

 

[mad sweeney]

W e had the PC show in New England and it's not good. Getting Jackson to be the QB just set the franchise in reverse and now this... it's college level stuff. JUst put Flynn in and see what you have.

Chalk up another one who's not paying attention. TJ was TEMPORARY while they spent picks and money building elsewhere then they bring in the real QB investment(s) and they don't have to have a rookie or first time first stringer try to carry a bad team. Sorry that the cheap two year contracts and subsequent acquisition of replacements fooled you.

 

[Manster]

This thread reminded me how touchy 'hawks fans are in general. And this is comin from a Cowboys fan who gets fired up pretty easy. HAHA!

I'm willing to wait to see what ol' pete has up his sleeve. But, at some point 7-9 or even 9-7 in that divsion, in or out of "context" aint getttin it done.

 

[proninja]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

If you take the under of 7.5 wins, I'll take the over and put $100 on it

 

[drummer]

pete carroll is a great college coach. NFL coach, not so much. he will be questioned until he has success. I see another 7-9 season coming.

What does 7-9 have to do with being a good or bad NFL coach without the context of the whether the team over overachieving or underachieving? Let's pick an example: Raheem Morris was able to get that 2010 Bucs team to overachieve. In 2011, they underachieved. It's reasonable to say he was a good coach in the 2010 season and wasn't a good coach (for a team that had high expectations) for that 2011 team.Here's another one: Mike Singletary. I'll actually say that Harbaugh is a pretty good coach, but he inherited a very talented team. Singletary single handedly made that a garbage team, and it should be apparent now.

The team Pete Carroll and John Schneider inherited in 2010 was very weak in many areas and had no depth across the board. Now they boast a top 10 (and in some circles a top 5) defense, a strong running game and one of the best secondaries in the NFL today. Until now, they haven't had a QB to work with. People will claim that Whitehurst and T-Jack were failures, but they weren't looking for the QBOTF with either of those guys. If they worked out, great, but they were tackling dummies until we were in the position we're in now.

Is it going to work? Maybe. But those of you who think he's on the brink of being fired are way off base. He would really have to fall flat this year, and I'm pretty confident even with this schedule that they go 9-7 in 2012. Blind homerism aside, this team is on the upswing from where it was in 2009 and better than the 2011 team.

Just to comment on the bolded part: While I thought Singletary was a bad choice for HC from the get go, he didn't necessarily make a 49ers a worse team than what Harbaugh inherited. Much of which Harbaugh inherited is what the Singletary's philosophy of the team was being built on: solid defense which creates turnovers, running the ball at will, beefing up the o-line, and not be a QB-centric team. Singletary during his stint had two GM's in Scot McGloughan and Trent Baalke. Baalke was brought in as an assistant to ScotM when Mike Nolan brought ScotM in, not as GM, but as Director of Player Personnel. When Sing took over for Nolan mid-season, he reigned in Martz's offense - which given what Martz had as far as QB's was one of his best OC jobs IMO combined with Singletary - to which when Martz was fired Steve Young thought that as a mistake, and brought in the identity of 'smashmouth' to the 49ers. In Sing's first year as full time HC, he went 8-8, and lost a few games by a slim margin. They lost only one game to SEA in the division in 2009 by 3 points. They could have least gone 11-5 had it not been for some key plays like Brett Favre's miracle TD against MIN. After the loss to SEA in the latter half of the season, they dominated AZ in what I always thought was Sing's signature game as HC. Turnovers, pressure the QB, swarm to the ball defense, and running the Bell Cow in Gore. Alex Smith threw for only 144 yards that game, 2 TDs to 2 INTs. In a Jimmy Raye offense. Now Smith in Roman's offense does pretty much the same as far as stats without the INT's.

What Harbaugh can do - outside of just being a real HC as opposed to Sing - is use the run game and be creative with it. You knew from the get go where the 49ers would do with the run by the offensive set under Sing/Raye. Harbaugh still relies on the run, but uses the threat of the run more than the threat of the pass. He really relies on the defense that has been built for years over the span since Nolan. But the 'smashmouth' game can be traced back to 2006, with Norv Turner as OC. The 49ers have had QB issues for years now, and my guess is they still haven't found their QBOTF yet. Kevin Lynch, 49er beat writer for SFGate wrote once that he thought ScotM was modeling the 49ers after the 90's Dallas Cowboy team. SEA has ScotM now, and he did a poor job as full time GM in SF. Then again, the 49ers have been in turmoil before they got Harbaugh. The rumor over ScotM's sudden departure was due to alcohol. If I had to be GM with Singletary, I would have a serious bottle of scotch in my desk drawer. IMO, Sing was canned because he was running roughshod over another temp GM in Baalke after ScotM's sudden departure before the 2010 draft. Yet, Sing/Baalke drafted O-line to be able to "run the ball at will", which Sing wanted to do.

I don't want to rule out Pete Carrol as a HC. He ran a pretty darn good high ranking defense when he was in SF - which got him the job in NYJ. He is a branch off the Bill Walsh tree. He is an ex-49er DC during the Seifert/Young era. I'll take Harbaugh over Carroll, but I think Carroll can do a great job with the 49er defense if he had it.

ETA: there was a rumor that the 49ers once considered Carroll as HC back when Nolan was under fire. I think Carroll brushed those rumors off. But he was in the USC heyday then.

ETA II: looking at the thread title, Harbaugh is total 'Bwah bwah". He says Alex Smith is an elite QB.

 

[beerbarron]

Personality wise PC as a NFL head coach, He seems to be a 'Child Please' kinda coaching attitude. Personel wise he is building USC in the NFL and the hawks are getting better every year. His D could be top tier, this year. Offensively he is creating competition at every position and putting the best players on the field regardless of player $contract$ status. Whats wrong with doing it the right way.. your best players play..

He got rid of all the dead weight from previous coaches and is building his team his way. Intersting to see how it works out and if the team continues to get better and if so how long it and he can last?