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RAIDERS/FALCONS TRADE IDEA (1 Viewer)

BustedKnuckles

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A Renegade Trade Proposal

I just received the following email from someone named Stirg. I get lots of interesting emails, but this one was particularly mysterious and intriguing, and therefore worthy of reprinting.

I'm assuming that Stirg has absolutely no connections with the Atlanta Falcons' front office, which may explain why he's enlisting me to orchestrate a trade with the Raiders. It's a brilliant plan. After all, as Randy at Raider Nation Podcast alerted me, the Miami Dolphins actually sought season ticket holder input on the hiring of their next coach. So why shouldn't Raider Take, with your feedback and guidance, be able to swing a trade? At this rate, I'll be having Thanksgiving dinner at Amy Trask's house later this year.

Anyhow, here's Stirg's email. What do you think?

I'm seeking personnel from the Raider Nation that would be interested in trading their number one 2007 draft pick to Atlanta; for Matt Schaub and the Falcons number ten pick. Before laughing at the hypothetical situation, think about it for sixty seconds (you're on the clock).

Both teams get what they want. As a matter of fact, Oakland can kill two birds with one stone in the first round. Consider this: Matt Schaub has been a pupil to the west coast offense for seven years (to include proud ownership of every major passing record in the history of the University of Virginia). His pro-career began in Atlanta and he has spent the last three seasons learning, you guessed it, Gregg Knapp's offense; and, I might add, he has perfected it. Oakland, then, can choose to use their number ten pick (received in the trade) for Dwayne Jarrett, (you guessed it again) Lane Kiffin's star pupil. This offense, coupled with the #3 best ranked defense in the N.F.L. last season, would immediately scare most teams and return the Raiders to playoff contention.

Atlanta could choose the obvious, Calvin Johnson, with the number one pick, making him most marketable behind his Atlanta roots. Games would continue to sellout and an enormous amount of pressure is lifted off Michael Vick's publicly-exposed-shoulders.

Let's set the record straight...I'm a true Atlanta fan and I enjoy every down Matt Schaub has played for the Falcons; I would hate to see "a starter on most N.F.L. teams" go. The reality of it, however, is Vick is a lock at the position and Schaub will never see playing time, as long as Vick is healthy. This trade, actually, is perfect and can satisfy both parties (Atlanta is going to lose Schaub, eventually; and Oakland should consider that it takes a rookie Quarterback about three years to learn Gregg Knapp's offense [see Michael Vick '03-'06]). Oakland Raiders will, otherwise, receive only one professionally unproven player in the draft, if they continue to maintain their position at number one. With this trade, however, they can solidify their greatest needs at Receiver and Quarterback, in one round.

Consider the posibilities from the perspective of both clubs; and, it is possible the trade can be achieved. After all, in 2001, Atlanta traded up, sending LaDainian Tomlinson to San Diego, and ended up with the greatest QB to change the game of football.

Go tell that to Mr. Davis.

Stirg

posted by Raider Take at 9:56 PM

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What was the other franchise that kept drafting WRs? Oh yeah, Detroit. Please don't draft CJ, no matter what pick. Get a freaking OL or DL depth.

I think Schaub will have success no matter where he goes, though.

 
Hard to say what the Falcons are going to do with their pick. With Gibbs officially being released today do they still try to continue with the Denver zone blocking system. Petrino has been known to like a big bruising type running game.

What does that say for the current offensive line and guys like Dunn/Norwood.

I agree WR would be great for the team, but other needs are pressing especially since Kerney is most likely gone.

 
Actually, the idea makes sense.

Given his history with Knapp, the only OC he has known in the pros, Schaub is a good candidate in Oakland. (I am not sure he meshes with Kiffin's USC offense, but he does with Knapp's WC offense).

CJ is going to be a great player. Yes the Falcons have drafted WR the last few years late in the first round. But they can't let past failures paralyze them from picking the best player. They still need WR. CJ is the best player/WR in the draft. I think this kid will be very very good!

THat said, there are numerous trades that make sense, that won't occur. THis is one of them.

First, no GM will pull the trigger on a trade like this. THe #1 pick in the draft is worth 3,000 points. The #10 pick in the draft is worth only 1,300 points. The difference being 1,700 points (or the 6th overall pick). Schaub is not worth a 6th overall pick to sweeten the deal. It will NEVER happen.

Second, CJ will not be the number one player overall. Should he? Different question. BUT the #1 pick will be a QB or DL IMHO. Teams are more willing to spend #1 money on QBs in the salary cap era. THe same is true for alleged can't miss DL prospects.

 
I usually hate people coming up with potential trade scenarios, but this one makes some sense and isn't bad. That being said I think the Raiders would want more than just Schaubb to move down to 10.

 
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My main problem with this trade is that it values Matt Schaub like a #5 overall draft pick (#10 overall + #5 overall = #1 overall on the pick charts I've seen). Now I don't think teams area slave to the pick chart but it's hard to believe that a top DE like John Abraham would be worth a very late first-rounder, but a backup QB is worth #5 overall. Matt Schaub's value, in the eyes of the Falcons, is a late first-rounder, and in the eyes of the league it's probably a high 2nd rounder.

With this kind of value (3,000 points), the Falcons would have to give their #10 (1,300), #42 (2nd rounder, 480) Schaub (generously, let's say 520, or about 2.06), and they'd still be short about 700 points, which is roughly a late-first rounder. They would likely need to give up 1st & 2nd round picks the next year as well.

As you can see, it's extremely difficult for a team to move up to #1 overall from outside of the top 5, makeing this trade highly unlikely.

 
I'll bring up the obvious...

If Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James can't fetch 3rds, why would anyone trade down 9 spots for Matt Schaub?

 
My main problem with this trade is that it values Matt Schaub like a #5 overall draft pick (#10 overall + #5 overall = #1 overall on the pick charts I've seen). Now I don't think teams area slave to the pick chart but it's hard to believe that a top DE like John Abraham would be worth a very late first-rounder, but a backup QB is worth #5 overall. Matt Schaub's value, in the eyes of the Falcons, is a late first-rounder, and in the eyes of the league it's probably a high 2nd rounder. With this kind of value (3,000 points), the Falcons would have to give their #10 (1,300), #42 (2nd rounder, 480) Schaub (generously, let's say 520, or about 2.06), and they'd still be short about 700 points, which is roughly a late-first rounder. They would likely need to give up 1st & 2nd round picks the next year as well. As you can see, it's extremely difficult for a team to move up to #1 overall from outside of the top 5, makeing this trade highly unlikely.
:penalty: People are giving an unproven Shaub way too much value. Shuab will not fetch that much value.
 
I like your idea, thanks for taking the time to map it out.

Although I think any trade involving these 2 teams HAS to include

Randy Moss.

 

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