Raiders fire DC Rob Ryan (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raide...ves/009796.html

The NFL Network is reporting Rob Ryan has already been fired as Raiders defensive coordinator.

Nothing official came out from the team today, but that should come tomorrow.

Ryan was hugging his players on the sidelines Sunday and the way players spoke about him, they all know what’s coming.

Rumors have Ryan reuniting with an old friend from his New England days, Eric Mangini, and becoming the New York Jets defensive coordinator. That would put Ryan back running the 3-4 defense he was successful with in New England as linebackers coach, but flopped when he tried to install it in Oakland.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raide...ves/009796.html

The NFL Network is reporting Rob Ryan has already been fired as Raiders defensive coordinator.

Nothing official came out from the team today, but that should come tomorrow.

Ryan was hugging his players on the sidelines Sunday and the way players spoke about him, they all know what's coming.

Rumors have Ryan reuniting with an old friend from his New England days, Eric Mangini, and becoming the New York Jets defensive coordinator. That would put Ryan back running the 3-4 defense he was successful with in New England as linebackers coach, but flopped when he tried to install it in Oakland.

HUGE break for the Jets if the rumors turn out to be true.Everything Al Davis touches these days turns to poop.

 

[jeter23]

There are also tampering rumors involving the Jets and Ryan already going around.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

:sadmullet:

 

[Kiddnets]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raide...ves/009796.html

The NFL Network is reporting Rob Ryan has already been fired as Raiders defensive coordinator.

Nothing official came out from the team today, but that should come tomorrow.

Ryan was hugging his players on the sidelines Sunday and the way players spoke about him, they all know what's coming.

Rumors have Ryan reuniting with an old friend from his New England days, Eric Mangini, and becoming the New York Jets defensive coordinator. That would put Ryan back running the 3-4 defense he was successful with in New England as linebackers coach, but flopped when he tried to install it in Oakland.

HUGE break for the Jets if the rumors turn out to be true.Everything Al Davis touches these days turns to poop.

great news for the Jets if true!!

 

[Jason Wood]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

 

[Workhorse]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

Ryan is very good but I can't help but wonder if simply bringing in another 3-4 defense disciple is the way to go. It just seems to me that Mangini is trying to cram the square peg into the round hole given the players on the roster, and bringing in Ryan would seem to continue down that same path. Some of the best talent on the Jets defense (Vilma, Robertson and Thomas) just plain aren't suited to a 3-4 scheme. If I'm the Jets, I'd think very seriously about revamping the whole defensive scheme and bringing in some new ideas.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

Ryan is very good but I can't help but wonder if simply bringing in another 3-4 defense disciple is the way to go. It just seems to me that Mangini is trying to cram the square peg into the round hole given the players on the roster, and bringing in Ryan would seem to continue down that same path. Some of the best talent on the Jets defense (Vilma, Robertson and Thomas) just plain aren't suited to a 3-4 scheme. If I'm the Jets, I'd think very seriously about revamping the whole defensive scheme and bringing in some new ideas.

Vilma should have been better in his weak inside linebacker role than he was. Better fit as a 4-3 Will or MLB? Absolutely. But there's a long list of "undersized" guys who have been successful inside recently. Thomas was never any good as a 4-3 DE. His best season to date came as a 3-4 OLB in a contract season. I don't disagree that Robertson is a better DT than 3-4 DE/NT. Ryan actually has a fresh eye. He should know his father's 46 and his brother had one of the most complicated multiple front playbooks in college at Cincinnati, which he's brought to Baltimore with him to success. He's proven that he can turn some pretty questionable talent -- Oakland's DTs, OLBs, MLB and safeties have all been below average at one point or another during his tenure with the Raiders -- into an over-achieving unit as Woodrow noted. He appeared to have learned his lesson after trying to ram through the 3-4 with mismatched personnel early in Oakland.At some point, you just need better players. Revis and Harris help, and it would be great if they could find enough talent at the other corner and safety spot to allow Rhodes to be more of a playmaker. And you can't run a 3-4 without some pass rush at the OLB spot. In 2006, Hobson and Thomas did the job but there was no coverage and little run defense. This season, the run defense improved at times and the coverage improved at times, but the pass rush was non-existent and the offense struggled.If Ryan ends up in New York, it might be very interesting to see with his multiple front experience can do for Rhodes, Harris and the OLB group (Bowens has potential and Thomas and Hobson have done it before). He may also be able to turn Vilma into a Bart Scott type player.

 

[Kiddnets]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

Ryan is very good but I can't help but wonder if simply bringing in another 3-4 defense disciple is the way to go. It just seems to me that Mangini is trying to cram the square peg into the round hole given the players on the roster, and bringing in Ryan would seem to continue down that same path. Some of the best talent on the Jets defense (Vilma, Robertson and Thomas) just plain aren't suited to a 3-4 scheme. If I'm the Jets, I'd think very seriously about revamping the whole defensive scheme and bringing in some new ideas.

I agree that the JEts are better suited for the 4-3 but its just not going to happen - MAngini is married to the 3-4 and with Harris as a premiere 3-4 LB he is not changing anytime soon. So if the 3-4 is staying - Ryan would be a great upgrade from Sutton who was essentially demoted after the bye when Mangini tok over the defense. This would be a great start to the offseason for the Jets.

 

[Reaper]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

Ryan is very good but I can't help but wonder if simply bringing in another 3-4 defense disciple is the way to go. It just seems to me that Mangini is trying to cram the square peg into the round hole given the players on the roster, and bringing in Ryan would seem to continue down that same path. Some of the best talent on the Jets defense (Vilma, Robertson and Thomas) just plain aren't suited to a 3-4 scheme. If I'm the Jets, I'd think very seriously about revamping the whole defensive scheme and bringing in some new ideas.

When Ryan went to Oakland he tried the 3-4, analyzed it and went back to the 4-3....At the very least I think it would be excellent for the Jets to have a guy like this analyze what's going on and make some decisions - with a willingness to make changes if needed. The Jets, like Oakland also had a situation with their HC and DC not on the same page and both years, the Jets defense improved a ton after the bye when supposedly Mangini did more of the Defensive coaching -Jets should improve With Ryan, both HC and DC are on the same page from day 1.Wether Mangini came in and ran the 3-4 or 4-3 this defense needed a ton of work and needed a run stuffing DT regardless. I highly doubt this would be an all world defense simply because Mangini ran a straight up 4-3 from the start... And Vilma BTW looked BAD in many one on one situations this year that had little to do with a system title - Maybe he was hurt all year?The way it worked they played many 4-3 fronts this year anyway and the goal was to be able to play both fronts and NOT be a straight up 3-4.With a great draft of Harris and Revis last year, I see a defense that ended the year playing real good football and help at DT with Mosely and Pouha rotating with Robertson.. Between FA and the draft, they need to add to that talent - Get a better pass rush and just stay on the same page.

 

[Jason Wood]

Don't want to put the cart before horse here but IF the Jets get Ryan they should rejoice. He's been a REALLY good coordinator in Oakland and had the unusual position of having to coach under not one, not two but THREE different HCs in Oakland. While the Raiders defense struggled this year; there was a lot of chatter that philosophically Ryan and Kiffin just weren't on the same page; and it was a divided locker room. I would be surprised if Ryan races to take any job though, a lot of teams are going to look at him as a serious upgrade at DC and, if Rex gets the Baltimore HC job; Rob may want to reunite with his brother.

Ryan is very good but I can't help but wonder if simply bringing in another 3-4 defense disciple is the way to go. It just seems to me that Mangini is trying to cram the square peg into the round hole given the players on the roster, and bringing in Ryan would seem to continue down that same path. Some of the best talent on the Jets defense (Vilma, Robertson and Thomas) just plain aren't suited to a 3-4 scheme. If I'm the Jets, I'd think very seriously about revamping the whole defensive scheme and bringing in some new ideas.

My CFO is a Jets fan and he echoed a similar concern, but my response to him was that Mangini clearly wants the team to run a 3-4 and, truth be told, the Jets should be in the position to bring in personnel that ARE suited for the front. Honestly, it's not as though the Jets front seven has so many irreplaceable pieces that the transition should be precluded.I think once Vilma got hurt it generally became expected that he won't be a Jet next year. I also think, frankly, that having a coach like Ryan (again, IF he joins the Jets) will make a 3-4 transition look a LOT more intelligent than what Jets fans have seen from the defensive coaches in the last two seasons.

 

[massraider]

I'd like to know what Ryan did in Oakland that was so great.

Was it wasting a year in the 3-4? With Tyler Brayton and Grant Irons at OLB, and Warren Sapp playing DE?

Was it last year, when our defense looked decent, as teams killed the clock in the 2nd quarter?

Or was it 2007, when he lined up a 4-3 base defense, with zero wrinkles, no blitzing, and about two stunts a game?

The guy has been given young speedy players--Asomougha, Routt, Washington, Huff, Morrison, Howard, Burgess etc. the D is a bit undersized, all the more reason to not just line up and try and take on an offense straight ahead. We simply didn't blitz this year, and got disappointing play from Terdell Sands, especially, as well as anyone that played SLB and RE. Teams ran right up the middle on us all day, and I wasn't seeing very many adjustments from the guy. Anyone want to make a case that he did a good job in 2007, please make a case.

The offense helped the D a bit this year, with regular sustained drives, which should have helped the D. Instead, it forced the other team to play for 60 minutes, and the D was exposed.

Maybe he was just a 3-4 peg in a 4-3 hole. I could see that. If that's the case, then he should be avoiding New York. They have an almost identical story on D as the Raiders did when Ryan came aboard. Bunch of 4-3 players. Robertson, Vilma, Ellis, Thomas......Some of those guys can perform in 3-4, but I think ALL of them are better in a 4-3.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I'd like to know what Ryan did in Oakland that was so great.Was it wasting a year in the 3-4? With Tyler Brayton and Grant Irons at OLB, and Warren Sapp playing DE?Was it last year, when our defense looked decent, as teams killed the clock in the 2nd quarter?Or was it 2007, when he lined up a 4-3 base defense, with zero wrinkles, no blitzing, and about two stunts a game?The guy has been given young speedy players--Asomougha, Routt, Washington, Huff, Morrison, Howard, Burgess etc. the D is a bit undersized, all the more reason to not just line up and try and take on an offense straight ahead. We simply didn't blitz this year, and got disappointing play from Terdell Sands, especially, as well as anyone that played SLB and RE. Teams ran right up the middle on us all day, and I wasn't seeing very many adjustments from the guy. Anyone want to make a case that he did a good job in 2007, please make a case.The offense helped the D a bit this year, with regular sustained drives, which should have helped the D. Instead, it forced the other team to play for 60 minutes, and the D was exposed.Maybe he was just a 3-4 peg in a 4-3 hole. I could see that. If that's the case, then he should be avoiding New York. They have an almost identical story on D as the Raiders did when Ryan came aboard. Bunch of 4-3 players. Robertson, Vilma, Ellis, Thomas......Some of those guys can perform in 3-4, but I think ALL of them are better in a 4-3.

Very .He's been given great young talent to work with, but the defense as a whole has not gotten better at all. Players individually became better, especially the ones you mentioned, but the unit as a whole has been disappointing.

 

[Reaper]

Very .He's been given great young talent to work with, but the defense as a whole has not gotten better at all. Players individually became better, especially the ones you mentioned, but the unit as a whole has been disappointing.

I think Step 1 is having a HC and DC on the same page.....Ryan going to the Jets does that for both teams when Kiffin goes to the Raiders.The Jets defense improved each year after the bye when supposedly Mangini took over some of those responsibilities... I think with Ryan they'll work much better together and be able to bounce ideas off eachother and build off the finish they just had on D.

 

[Bri]

There are also tampering rumors involving the Jets and Ryan already going around.

I've been told that he told Raiders players he was going to the Jets when he said goodbye to them.Also that he was told he was done after week 17, after the 16th week of the season. Technically, he can't negotiate while under contract. He was given notice so it's an angle they'll play I bet. Plus calling your friend when ya lose a job is relatively normal so they'd have to prove an offer was made and not just two buddies shooting the breeze.

 

[Chadstroma]

Any ideas or rumors on who the Raiders will bring in?