It really is. I'm curious how it will play out. I'm very pleased with their WRs and QB and ...I'm not sure so much is coaching to the point where teams want to go and hire some of these guys. An OC...OK maybe, but I think it's limited if you give tons of (rightful) praise to the amount of talent Rodgers has to throw to. Someone will coin a better phrase, but they're like the best worst defense ever. Someone is a genius-maybe McCarthy? but otherwise I'm super leery of hiring any defensive coach that allowed as much as they did in 2011. To roll with the team just beneath them, I'm fine rationalizing "how on earth did the Pats win so much and allow so many yards?" "Bellichick, that's how." I'm not one to take credit away from a great team but that D is almost begging me to though.
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Raiders fire Hue Jackson (1 Viewer)
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DocHolliday
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As a long time Raider fan, I am sick of the annual coaching changes. I am even more sick of the losing which is why I am all for this move. Hue seemed to think that he was going to run the ship as the HC as soon as Al passed. After giving up way too much for Palmer and bringing in old Housh over solid Hagan, it was obvious that Hue should not have personnel power. Hue had enough talent to win the weak AFC W but did not. A big part of the losing was the ongoing penalty problem which Hue did not fix at all.
It makes sense for the Raiders to make changes all over this dysfunctional organization. To succeed in the NFL these days, you have to be a well-run machine from the GM to the players on the field. The well-run machines are in the playoffs year after year in today's NFL. GB, NO, NE, Pburgh, NY Giants, and Baltimore are examples of the new NFL winning machines. If the Raiders can duplicate what GB is doing, they stand a chance in this very competitive NFL.
I liked the passion that Hue brought but understand why he is gone. The Raiders must move forward with a new, clean slate.
It makes sense for the Raiders to make changes all over this dysfunctional organization. To succeed in the NFL these days, you have to be a well-run machine from the GM to the players on the field. The well-run machines are in the playoffs year after year in today's NFL. GB, NO, NE, Pburgh, NY Giants, and Baltimore are examples of the new NFL winning machines. If the Raiders can duplicate what GB is doing, they stand a chance in this very competitive NFL.
I liked the passion that Hue brought but understand why he is gone. The Raiders must move forward with a new, clean slate.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Jackson isn't the problem.
Carson isn't the problem.
Expecting Carson to do much mid-year & w/o top 3 weapons much of it isn't realistic.
Thought Carson looked very good in spurts and poor in others. (Good outweighed the bad IMO)
I think the Raiders have the parts there right now in place to be a playoff team. Think they'd still be playing if they had DMC/Ford/Moore healthy all year.
Carson isn't the problem.
Expecting Carson to do much mid-year & w/o top 3 weapons much of it isn't realistic.
Thought Carson looked very good in spurts and poor in others. (Good outweighed the bad IMO)
I think the Raiders have the parts there right now in place to be a playoff team. Think they'd still be playing if they had DMC/Ford/Moore healthy all year.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Count me in for firing Hue. He always spoke in platitudes when addressing problems like penalties, saying "I will get it fixed". But he didn't. The Beloved Silver and Black played in even more undisciplined manner with stupid mistakes. Chuck Bresnahan was a disaster as a DC; he showed what an idiot he was in the Lions game, covering MegaTron with a slow MLB (RoMac) and a special team player (Boyd). I'd be all for hiring Dom Capers as the HC.I just want "Pride and Poise" and "Committment to Excellence" to mean something again.As a Raider fan I'm all for Hue Jackson's firing. I wasn't all that happy when he was promoted to Head Coach in the first place. McKenzie is wasting no time in turning the Oakland Raiders organization around.
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DA RAIDERS
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i never had hatred towards Al, i just got sick and tired of his BS antics over the last 10 years or so. and since you missed it, i think this is the right move, atm. that might change, depending on who is brought in.DA RAIDERS, you were always the first one yelling about your hatred for Al Davis. Now he's gone and you're upset one of his guys was let go. Oakland brought in someone with tons of personel experience in a successful organization, let him do his thing and trust he knows how to do his job well.
scott72
Footballguy
New GM's usually want their own people. Ted Thompson kept Sherman for a year and that didn't turn out..
new GMs don't have their own people, established ones do.Hue was a very good WR coach and I agree with MoP this is just change for change. The possibility of them being worse off is enormous here. Big Al passed away (as you know) and who knows what the offseason will bring as far as changes due to that. Having a coach and a veteran QB is a decent starting point. I didn't think the Raiders were good enough for the playoffs and they almost made it. Oakland is a notoriously tough place to coach and I'm fairly certain Hue earned a job somewhere else then. MoP discussed the annual tradition of changing coaches and it's really true. It simply can't happen. There's an effort to remain as good as the year before, when the effort should be to improve. Excuses like learning a new offense don't make for a better prospective year and if every coach goes with the "my guys" theory then that's just brutal on personnel too. They need to stop the merry-go-round
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
In most cases I would agree. Hue changed all that b/c of having that window of power. It wasn't your normal situation in that regard.-QG
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Doesn't matter if you are new to the GM job or not, you have a vision as to the type of organization and staff you want. McKenzie has a pretty strong pedigree and comes highly recommended, so I am hopeful. Hue brought offense to a team that ha been lacking it for a very long period, so I have some reservations about this move. But Hue could solve the discipline problem and penalty issue. My guess is that McKenzie is going to bring in someone he believes can solve the this problem. It is very clear from Mark Davis' interview that the line of communication goes through the GM, which is a very big first step in solving this problem that has been holding the Raiders back for years.
joey
Footballguy
My favorite part of the press conference was when Reggie said that the Head Coach will have full authority to hire his entire coaching staff.
The hand-picked Al Davis assortment of ex-Raider's and Al's favorites as coaches is one of the main reasons why I think the Raiders have been down for so long.
Gotta let the HC build HIS coaching staff with the people he believe share his vision and philosophy.
The hand-picked Al Davis assortment of ex-Raider's and Al's favorites as coaches is one of the main reasons why I think the Raiders have been down for so long.
Gotta let the HC build HIS coaching staff with the people he believe share his vision and philosophy.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yep, and at least he can live or die by them. I would not be surprised if Dom Capers is brought over (haven't heard his name mentioned).
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Perhaps I'm too judgemental, but when I look at that haircut and listen to McKenzie fumble through his "why I fired Hugh" speech, I'm convinced the Raiders are going nowhere fast. It just seems like 9 year olds are running that organization.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Mike Holmgren is a pretty eloquent guy, how's that working out for the Browns?
krsone21
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Neither did John Harbaugh or Andy Reid
Reepicheep
Footballguy
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Davis did look a bit like the son of Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne, but I dont think things can get any worse than they were the last 10 years with Al around.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Change for change sake is not good. Color me skeptical on this move. And I'll quickly throw Hue Jackson under the bus moving forward - for the way he threw his team under the bus, and his team clearly regressed in the second half. But he couldn't be more snakebit with key injuries on both sides of the ball. Whole lotta "ifs" to think about with this season, really just had some bad breaks, could easily have been a playoff team. Comparing them to the 2010 Raiders, they just seemed so much more potent; moving in the right direction. That has to be a springboard to a second season for a rookie coach, no? From what is reported, Hue said McKenzie and him got along well. But building a team around a new HC would be easier, and building around him would be harder. Re-tooling, rebuilding, etc. all come with new regimes. Some can turn it around quickly, but I'm skeptical that 2012 is going to be that transition year towards getting there. I for one am tired of hanging my hat on a transition team. Been too long already.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Based on nothing but what I've seen so far, I'm much more willing to accept another 8-8 year in 2012 than I would've been if Al were still around. As far as injuries - lots of teams had big injuries to deal with this year and still managed to not melt down. Hue made his fair share of bonehead decisions to compound those problems for sure.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
curious....why?'Autumn Wind said:
True that. Of course it didn't help with a horrible decision by Al Davis to replace Marshall with Bresnahan. But that's not on Hue. Still he did a terrible job of clock management and the penalties got worse and worse as the discipline (all of that is on Hue) eroded.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Because I am confident that Oakland now is putting together a long-term plan for success, and we may have to take a step back to move forward.
beef
Footballguy
'krsone21 said:As a Raider fan I'm all for Hue Jackson's firing. I wasn't all that happy when he was promoted to Head Coach in the first place. McKenzie is wasting no time in turning the Oakland Raiders organization around.
Hue did better than the past few coaches but let's stop pretending like this guy was great. He had the AFC West lead and lost it away. There's also been a few reports that he didn't have complete control of the locker room or all the players believing in him. Better to move on now than wait a year and delay the process.
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Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
'Autumn Wind said:
Building a team "the right way" doesn't usually happen overnight. Ted Thompson built this Packer team by stacking quality draft on top of quality draft. He brought in high character guys that were also good football players. Holmgren appears to be attempting to do the same thing in Cleveland right now. Cleveland homers are saying his last draft was really quite good, as he added five starters to that roster in one draft class. No reason to believe Reggie McKenzie will try to do anything different in Oakland. Thompson has presided over 7 drafts in Green Bay, taking 68 players. 32 are still with the Packers. 16 others are currently on other NFL rosters. 2 were forced into early retirement by injury, and 1 is suspended. That means over 70% of his draftees are still collecting a NFL paycheck.
For years, the Minnesota Vikings and Washington Redskins would win in March. Look where they are right now.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Well my main point wasn't to slam the Browns, but rather to say that just because McKenzie isn't an inspiring public speaker we shouldn't assume that reflects on his GM ability.
fatness
Footballguy
and with those words she let out a cough that so loud you cant hear nothin, you could only see teh looks over terror on teh face of teh pringle family. Some bottles of hot sauce start esploding and Maria Pringle get blown against a wall. Some of them beans also esplode and they go into teh owners eyes and I can see him mouthing "i am blind! I blind." She finish and say "you can keep you burritos, from now on I only gonna eat chinesed."'SWC said:
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Andy Reid coached for 19 years and was an asst head coach for the packers. Harbaugh coached for 24 years before he was made the HC. Moss has only coached for 7 years. He was made an asst HC last year, so hes obviously doing something right, we'll see.'Jason Wood said:
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I could just as easily see DMac traded and Bush re-signed.
Initially, they probably keep the one that best fits the new OC system.After reviewing their cap and the players desired salary, maybe then they keep the latter.If I were GM, I'd want another back to go with DMac. Maybe he doesn't have to be special like Bush, but he will have to be good enough to be relied upon on occasion. If this means two RBs for some insane $ like 8-10 mil for the two, then I'd consider moving both in some fashion. New GMs seem to make some salary cap moves that aren't initially apparent. It'll be interesting what these two make after they haggle.
