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Raiders QB picture still up in the air

It's not too early for trio to start jockeying for position

By Bill Soliday, STAFF WRITER

New veteran quarterback Aaron Brooks makes a pass during Raiders minicamp, Friday, May 5, 2006. (Nick Lammers - Staff)

ALAMEDA — Given his budding relationship with Paris Hilton, you tend to fear for Matt Leinart as much as you fear him.

And yet, given the draft-day circumstances the Oakland Raiders were in a week ago, you'd think fear would have been on the minds of team quarterbacks Aaron Brooks, Marques Tuiasosopo and Andrew Walter.

As it turns out, that couldn't have been much further from how it actually was. While the world waited for the Raiders to jump on the USC quarterback with the seventh pick of the draft:

- Brooks was in Arizona playing golf and stifling a yawn.

- Walter was at Lake Tahoe with his girlfriend having dinner.

- Tuiasosopo was merely curious, then relieved.

"I said, 'OK, well, I guess I don't have to worry about anything else except for what I need to do,'" said Tuiasosopo, who would have promptly been an ex-Raider if Oakland had selected Leinart instead of Texas safety Michael Huff with that pick."

And so ...

"We have a pretty good defensive player," he finally decided, letting out a laugh.

In the end, Oakland decided it didn't need more quarterbacks. Ho hum.

Brooks couldn't be bothered sneaking peeks at the draft. He was too busy shooting a 94 on the TPC ofScottsdale golf course to worry about some hotshot rookie usurping his status as a Raider, whatever that may be.

"I could care less," Brooks said. "It's not my decision to make ... or for me to worry about. I felt more comfortable that they didn't, but even with them drafting a first-round quarterback, I don't think it would have been set in stone ... him having the job."

Walter, taken by Oakland in the third round a year ago, went for parental wisdom when the "L" word came up.

"My dad said it best," he said. "I don't know (where it came from), but he said the Raiders organization had me rated the top quarterback on their board (last year), and if that's true, then if I was healthy, why would they draft a quarterback this year?

"I was watching, but I wasn't stressing out too much. But you still never know until you know. So after the pick came and went, there was affirmation. Time to get to business."

Ah yes, the business of deciding just who is going to be the Oakland starting quarterback in 2006 — Brooks, Walter or Tuiasosopo? Nobody seems to be in a hurry to say.

Or to proclaim victory.

"I come in thinking

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I'm going to have to compete anyway," Brooks said. "Nothing is given."

For the record, at Friday's Day 1 of minicamp, when the first unit took the field, Brooks was behind center Jake Grove. Tuiasosopo was second up, followed by Walter.

Coach Art Shell hasn't hauled out his chisel or looked for the stone to register the proclamation.

"That's where we are today," Shell said. "The last camp it was different. It might be different next time."

One thing Shell did admit to was he would like to go into training camp in July with a pretty solid idea of his pecking order.

"I think it will take care of itself," he said.

Ask Walter who the favorite is and he shrugs.

"I don't know," he said. "I guess time will tell. Personally, I'd love to get a shot, but the bottom line is camp will be key."

Tuiasosopo agreed whoever plays best will start, and because this is the final year of his contract, his time to swoop in is now.

"From everything I've heard, coach has said it'll be open competition," he said. "That's all I need."

Tuiasosopo got a boost not only when the Raiders passed on Leinart but also when the team did not trade him to Cleveland, a recent rumor.

"There were definitely some things going on," Tuiasosopo said. "But I'm here, and that's what matters. They still wanted me here for another year. That makes me happy.

"I'm ready to do this. No question, this is kind of a telltale year. Either I'll be here, hopefully for a long time, or I'll probably be somewhere else.

"To me, it's a win-win (situation). It feels so good. The last couple of years, whatever they said, I just knew Kerry (Collins) was going to be the guy. That's fine, but I feel good I've got a chance to compete. I'm fired up."

He has the fire. Brooks says he has energy and some fire himself since, as he puts it, "the league and the media have been trying to wash me away for years." Walter, recovered from a rookie groin injury, has his health and a disarming aura of calm.

Stay tuned.

 
No chance Tuiasapoopoo is in contention for the starting job. Can't see Walter being ready. Brooks job to lose.

 
For all the Brooks haters in the crowd, what leads you to think that he will do worse than Collins did? Are you saying that Collins pre-Oakland was better than Brooks pre-Oakland?

 
For all the Brooks haters in the crowd, what leads you to think that he will do worse than Collins did? Are you saying that Collins pre-Oakland was better than Brooks pre-Oakland?
:goodposting: People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:

 
For all the Brooks haters in the crowd, what leads you to think that he will do worse than Collins did? Are you saying that Collins pre-Oakland was better than Brooks pre-Oakland?
:goodposting: People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
I don't hate Brooks, actually I really like him. I'm just a selfish Walter owner, sue me. :D
 
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For all the Brooks haters in the crowd, what leads you to think that he will do worse than Collins did?  Are you saying that Collins pre-Oakland was better than Brooks pre-Oakland?
:goodposting: People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
I don't hate Brooks, actually I really like him. I'm just a selfish Walter owner, sue me. :D
;) I think Walter has the tools to be a great QB but he's going to have to wait a year or two.

 
For all the Brooks haters in the crowd, what leads you to think that he will do worse than Collins did?  Are you saying that Collins pre-Oakland was better than Brooks pre-Oakland?
:goodposting: People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
Your logic falls apart when you rely on fantasy stats to support an arguement that someone is a good player. Also, playing for "the Godfather" is tough. Brooks has put up some nice numbers in the past, but the guy has proven he can not lead a team to victory. His decision making in games is pathetic. Talented, yes. But not a guy most teams want because he has a 2 cent head. Maybe a change in scenery will do him good, but there is a reason he got tossed in NO. I'd wager that if the Raiders are 4-6, he will get pulled-
 
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Your logic falls apart when you rely on fantasy stats to support an arguement that someone is a good player. Also, playing for "the Godfather" is tough. Brooks has put up some nice numbers in the past, but the guy has proven he can not lead a team to victory. His decision making in games is pathetic. Talented, yes. But not a guy most teams want because he has a 2 cent head. Maybe a change in scenery will do him good, but there is a reason he got tossed in NO. I'd wager that if the Raiders are 4-6, he will get pulled-
You are telling me that a demonstrated trend in the past is a poor supporting argument?OK.

:unsure:

 
Your logic falls apart when you rely on fantasy stats to support an arguement that someone is a good player. Also, playing for "the Godfather" is tough. Brooks has put up some nice numbers in the past, but the guy has proven he can not lead a team to victory. His decision making in games is pathetic. Talented, yes. But not a guy most teams want because he has a 2 cent head. Maybe a change in scenery will do him good, but there is a reason he got tossed in NO. I'd wager that if the Raiders are 4-6, he will get pulled-
You are telling me that a demonstrated trend in the past is a poor supporting argument?OK.

:unsure:
Hate to say it, but Moss made Collins look good while healthy and he will do the same for Brooks only 2x more. Unless Brooks totaly screws the pooch or gets hurt I'll be waiting on Walter. :cry:
 
People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.
The problem is he's not a leader. He doesn't inspire a team. They nearly always got off to bad starts in games because he couldn't get the offense going. If you look at their scoring in the first quarter over the last few seasons it was absolutely horrible.Then, of course, once they got behind by a bunch he would get a lot of yards playing catch-up and in garbage time, and hence those great fantasy numbers.But bottom line, while he may be a good FANTASY QB, he is not a great NFL QB, and there is a difference.
 
People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.
The problem is he's not a leader. He doesn't inspire a team. They nearly always got off to bad starts in games because he couldn't get the offense going. If you look at their scoring in the first quarter over the last few seasons it was absolutely horrible.Then, of course, once they got behind by a bunch he would get a lot of yards playing catch-up and in garbage time, and hence those great fantasy numbers.

But bottom line, while he may be a good FANTASY QB, he is not a great NFL QB, and there is a difference.
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
He is not going to lose his job to a 2nd year QB or Tui unless he gets injured.
 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
:goodposting: Brooks ability to hold the job is the issue here. If he isn't able to lead the team to a winning record and have them in position for a realistic shot at the playoffs, then I bet the switch will be made. Why wouldn't they do that? They have to put Walter under center at some point to see what they have. Brooks is a known quantity. Of course, that is assuming that Brooks is able to hold off the youth movement heading into training camp.

 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
He is not going to lose his job to a 2nd year QB or Tui unless he gets injured.
Bold statement on ABrooks. The Godfather + a QB with a 2 cent head + it's the Raiders = anything could happen under center in 2006.
 
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People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
I don't think Al Davis cares much whether or not Brooks is a top 10 fantasy QB. Somehow I think there will be more that goes into the decision in deciding an NFL QB. Yes, I think Brooks will start, but will he hold it? I doubt it.
 
People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.
The problem is he's not a leader. He doesn't inspire a team. They nearly always got off to bad starts in games because he couldn't get the offense going. If you look at their scoring in the first quarter over the last few seasons it was absolutely horrible.Then, of course, once they got behind by a bunch he would get a lot of yards playing catch-up and in garbage time, and hence those great fantasy numbers.

But bottom line, while he may be a good FANTASY QB, he is not a great NFL QB, and there is a difference.
:goodposting: Yes he has good fantasy stats because his team is always behind. He has talent, but unless he has had a brain transplant I look for more of the same in Oakland. He will make bad decisions in the first half giving the other team the lead then have to throw the whole second half to catch up. If I were a L Jordan owner I would be a little worried. I doubt the Raiders will be running out the clock in the second half much.
 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
He is not going to lose his job to a 2nd year QB or Tui unless he gets injured.
he might
 
The other conceptual question I have is this . . .

Since their 2002 Super Bowl appearance, Oakland is 13-35 with a scoring differential of -324 points. They have been unillaterally bad with Gannon, Mirer, and Collins at QB (with Tui thrown in a couple times) and Callahan and Turner as head coach.

How much of this are we going to pin on QB play? I can't see Brooks coming in and taking the fall for the entire team based on "poor leadership". The TEAM has played poorly the past few seasons.

 
The other conceptual question I have is this . . .

Since their 2002 Super Bowl appearance, Oakland is 13-35 with a scoring differential of -324 points. They have been unillaterally bad with Gannon, Mirer, and Collins at QB (with Tui thrown in a couple times) and Callahan and Turner as head coach.

How much of this are we going to pin on QB play? I can't see Brooks coming in and taking the fall for the entire team based on "poor leadership". The TEAM has played poorly the past few seasons.
I just don't understand the Raiders mentality. Collins nearly had a career year in Oakland last year and they still gave him the boot. 3700 yards, 20 TD's to 12 INT's and in 15 games. The Raiders are the 4th best team in one of the toughest divisions in football, they're going to be extremly lucky to make the playoffs in that division.Why sign Brooks if you're just going to bench him halfway thru the season if he doesn't instantly turn your team around? He's NOT going to instantly turn your team around, this team is too bad to be 1QB away from a contender. Why sign him if you just want someone to hold Walter's hand for half the season? You could of kept Collins in that case. Makes no sense to me.

 
The other conceptual question I have is this . . .

Since their 2002 Super Bowl appearance, Oakland is 13-35 with a scoring differential of -324 points. They have been unillaterally bad with Gannon, Mirer, and Collins at QB (with Tui thrown in a couple times) and Callahan and Turner as head coach.

How much of this are we going to pin on QB play?
If you're a raider fan about 99%. Well, more like 50% the QB and 50% the coach that's leaving town each season. That's how they talk themselves into believing they'll be better this year.
 
Coaches say every position is open to competition at the beginning of every year. This is just coach speak as usual. Brooks will be the starter.

 
People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
I don't think Al Davis cares much whether or not Brooks is a top 10 fantasy QB. Somehow I think there will be more that goes into the decision in deciding an NFL QB. Yes, I think Brooks will start, but will he hold it? I doubt it.
:lmao: Please show me how Brooks will lose his job.

You are telling me a guy with these career stats:

Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2000 nor | 8 | 113 194 58.2 1514 7.8 9 6 | 41 170 2 || 2001 nor | 16 | 312 558 55.9 3832 6.9 26 22 | 80 358 1 || 2002 nor | 16 | 283 528 53.6 3572 6.8 27 15 | 61 256 2 || 2003 nor | 16 | 306 518 59.1 3546 6.8 24 8 | 54 175 2 || 2004 nor | 16 | 309 542 57.0 3810 7.0 21 16 | 58 173 4 || 2005 nor | 13 | 240 431 55.7 2882 6.7 13 17 | 45 281 2 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| TOTAL | 85 | 1563 2771 56.4 19156 6.9 120 84 | 339 1413 13 |Will lose his job to a guy with these stats (Tui):
Code:
Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2001 oak |   1 |     3     4  75.0    34   8.5   0   0 |     1     1   0 || 2002 oak |   3 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     2    -3   0 || 2003 oak |   4 |    25    45  55.6   324   7.2   0   3 |     6    22   0 || 2005 oak |   2 |    14    26  53.8   124   4.8   1   2 |     2    19   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |  10 |    42    75  56.0   482   6.4   1   5 |    11    39   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
or these stats (Walter):
Code:
Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2005 oak |   1 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     0     0   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |   1 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     0     0   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
Seriously. Just because you think that Al Davis is some crazy owner does not mean he will put in a completely inexperienced QB the first year of his new coach that will put that team in the crapper.Collins didn't get pulled last year for Tui or Walter. You think Brooks is worse than Collins?

Wow.

 
Hard to think Brooks, if healthy, does not play well into the season. A disaster is possible for Brooks, although unlikely IMO. I think Tui is the backup this season and then gone next year. Walter has a decent chance to start within a couple of years, but I personally don't think he'll ever make a good starting NFL QB.

If I had to bet:

Brooks starts all year, puts up good fantasy numbers (top 12), but makes plenty of mental mistakes, costing the team a game or two.

Brooks starts next year unless they trade for or draft another QB. If Brooks is a failure this year, Walter might see some time and then have a chance to start next year.

If Brooks really bites the bullet or gets hurt, Tui will have his last chance to prove himself. I actually like his talent, and he could be a very nice QB, but this seems farfetched.

 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
He is not going to lose his job to a 2nd year QB or Tui unless he gets injured.
He lost his starting job to Todd Bouman. Brooks was coddled in NO by the coaching staff, the team and the media. I think he'll get eaten alive in Oakland. Also, contrary to popular belief Brooks doesn't throw a very good deep ball. He has the arm strength, but the moment one D-lineman crosses the line of scrimmage he panics and won't give the play time to develop. I can tell you how many times I've seen Stallworth or Horn open deep while Brooks starts his patented "back pedal under pressure and throw the ball out of bounds" shtick.

Brooks is very athletic, but don't confuse that with the ability to make something happen while scrambling nor the ability to throw the deep ball to Moss.

 
People that think Brooks will lose the job cannot remember football for longer than one year.

Brooks is a perennial top 10 fantasy QB and is getting put into a prime situation.

But keep hating and keep that ADP low.

:thumbup:
I don't think Al Davis cares much whether or not Brooks is a top 10 fantasy QB. Somehow I think there will be more that goes into the decision in deciding an NFL QB. Yes, I think Brooks will start, but will he hold it? I doubt it.
:lmao: Please show me how Brooks will lose his job.

You are telling me a guy with these career stats:

Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2000 nor |   8 |   113   194  58.2  1514   7.8   9   6 |    41   170   2 || 2001 nor |  16 |   312   558  55.9  3832   6.9  26  22 |    80   358   1 || 2002 nor |  16 |   283   528  53.6  3572   6.8  27  15 |    61   256   2 || 2003 nor |  16 |   306   518  59.1  3546   6.8  24   8 |    54   175   2 || 2004 nor |  16 |   309   542  57.0  3810   7.0  21  16 |    58   173   4 || 2005 nor |  13 |   240   431  55.7  2882   6.7  13  17 |    45   281   2 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |  85 |  1563  2771  56.4 19156   6.9 120  84 |   339  1413  13 |Will lose his job to a guy with these stats (Tui):
Code:
Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2001 oak |   1 |     3     4  75.0    34   8.5   0   0 |     1     1   0 || 2002 oak |   3 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     2    -3   0 || 2003 oak |   4 |    25    45  55.6   324   7.2   0   3 |     6    22   0 || 2005 oak |   2 |    14    26  53.8   124   4.8   1   2 |     2    19   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |  10 |    42    75  56.0   482   6.4   1   5 |    11    39   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
or these stats (Walter):
Code:
Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2005 oak |   1 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     0     0   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |   1 |     0     0   0.0     0   0.0   0   0 |     0     0   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
Seriously. Just because you think that Al Davis is some crazy owner does not mean he will put in a completely inexperienced QB the first year of his new coach that will put that team in the crapper.Collins didn't get pulled last year for Tui or Walter. You think Brooks is worse than Collins?

Wow.
Fact check please.
 
Collins didn't get pulled last year for Tui or Walter.
Oops!But still, it's Brooks job to lose.
This is what still puzzles me. Collins became the scape goat for having a terrible record as Raiders QB. Yet his numbers were decent (if not solid or better) and he had a lot fewer turnovers than in the past. Yet the team still pointed their collective fingers at Collins. IMO, QB was and is not the problem in Oakland. If Collins had 30 TD last year, Oakland still would have had a terrible record. It wasn't his fault. If Davis wants to pin it on poor leadership at the QB slot, so be it, but he needs to open his eyes and look at the big picture.
 
I don't disagree. But my league doesn't give bonus points for leadership.
Sure. But we were talking about what was going to happen in real life, rather than in fantasy. The argument was whether he would lose the starting job or not in real life.
He is not going to lose his job to a 2nd year QB or Tui unless he gets injured.
He lost his starting job to Todd Bouman. Brooks was coddled in NO by the coaching staff, the team and the media. I think he'll get eaten alive in Oakland. Also, contrary to popular belief Brooks doesn't throw a very good deep ball. He has the arm strength, but the moment one D-lineman crosses the line of scrimmage he panics and won't give the play time to develop. I can tell you how many times I've seen Stallworth or Horn open deep while Brooks starts his patented "back pedal under pressure and throw the ball out of bounds" shtick.

Brooks is very athletic, but don't confuse that with the ability to make something happen while scrambling nor the ability to throw the deep ball to Moss.
He lost his job to Bouman after they were done. I'm thinking he'll do in Oakland what he did in NO: he'll tease the fans with a 7-9 season. He has the tools to be effective with Jordan, Moss, Porter and a decent O-line. So he'll make a few dramatic comebacks, losing by less a TD or less, but his inconsistencies will be ignored while they remain competitive. Coaches don't bench players while you are mathematically alive for the post-season.
 
Collins didn't get pulled last year for Tui or Walter.
Oops!But still, it's Brooks job to lose.
This is what still puzzles me. Collins became the scape goat for having a terrible record as Raiders QB. Yet his numbers were decent (if not solid or better) and he had a lot fewer turnovers than in the past. Yet the team still pointed their collective fingers at Collins. IMO, QB was and is not the problem in Oakland. If Collins had 30 TD last year, Oakland still would have had a terrible record. It wasn't his fault. If Davis wants to pin it on poor leadership at the QB slot, so be it, but he needs to open his eyes and look at the big picture.
I think Al Davis pointed directly at Norv Turner for his scape goat. Probably didn't like his D much either. I'd guess the Collins cut may have been more about his age, maybe the money & I'm certain Al wanted a more mobile QB.

Plus Collins is just plain boring. Al likes to put on a show ya know!

In fact, if Brooks & Collins had both been available two years ago, I'd bet Brooks would've been the QB signed back then, not Collins.

 
I'd guess the Collins cut may have been more about his age, maybe the money & I'm certain Al wanted a more mobile QB.
Collins release was no mystery. He had some huge cap number that no team would have wanted to take for Collins.I was referring to last year when they opted (briefly) to bench Collins and rambled off how he was the cause for their demise.
 
I'd guess the Collins cut may have been more about his age, maybe the money & I'm certain Al wanted a more mobile QB.
Collins release was no mystery. He had some huge cap number that no team would have wanted to take for Collins.
When the CBA was going through it's ups & downs and teams keep releasing players then taking them back as they complied with the supposed cap number then the NFL would give 'em a mulligan when the CBA talks would be back on again. Collins did get released in of the early cap cut go rounds and at the time, I thought I remember Collins saying he was quite willing to renegotiate his contract in order to help with the cap & stay with the Raiders.Didn't he say that? :confused:

I was referring to last year when they opted (briefly) to bench Collins and rambled off how he was the cause for their demise.
Wasn't that more of a try anything desperation move by Turner, to save his job, rather than a finger pointing move by the whole organization?
 
I'd guess the Collins cut may have been more about his age, maybe the money & I'm certain Al wanted a more mobile QB.
Collins release was no mystery. He had some huge cap number that no team would have wanted to take for Collins.
When the CBA was going through it's ups & downs and teams keep releasing players then taking them back as they complied with the supposed cap number then the NFL would give 'em a mulligan when the CBA talks would be back on again. Collins did get released in of the early cap cut go rounds and at the time, I thought I remember Collins saying he was quite willing to renegotiate his contract in order to help with the cap & stay with the Raiders.Didn't he say that? :confused:
IIRC, that was the case. But by that point the team seemed destined to go in another direction andopted to let him go for real. there was a time even after he was cut that the word was he was still talking to them, but that never materialized.
 

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