Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)

[pigskinliquors]

Hey All! I've been too busy to post for awhile, and don't have much time to look back at posts = I'll guess what to say:

Gruecd: Awesome 29 mile pace run, and amazing that you put in 148 miles last week. Also, how's your basketball going, we love to hear about it

Tri-Man: Great to hear that you were finally named a "Saint" and the story about you outracing Sasquatch, then helping him finish the race when he fell down (and giving him mouth to mouth to revive him!) is most awesome.

BnB: It was only a matter of time before you beat the sound barrier on your bike; speed of light might be feasible!

Sand: Sorry to hear that you grew actual gills, but the upside is that it increases the potential places you can live!

2Young: I don't blame you for wearing the OxySox to bed, and in the shower now. Just don't do it in the reverse order.

Darrin: I'm not surprised about your weight loss as you've worked your #### off (literally!). I think it's really cool that you measure the lost weight in "BackStreet Boys". Having lost a total of 3 BackStreet Boys is quite an achievement!

Wraith: buying a camelback to hydrate your camelback might be a bit obsessive.

Furley:

Poppa: Great Story!!! Incredibly inspiring.

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My minor update:

I got in a slow 8 miler on Saturday, and planned on doing another 8 this morning, but the lightning, thunder, sheets of rain, and flooding kept me in the house. I'll try to get it in after work, but it doesn't look good at this point as it looks like an all-day storm. It feels weird tapering, when I haven't even really done much training

 

[wraith5]

Did my first 14 miler on Sunday morning. Avg. pace was 9:31 -- Took it nice and slow and really cruised along nicely. The most surprising part was that I was able to just breathe through my nose through most of the run so I'm comfortably running at a nice easy heart rate. That's the longest run I've ever done.

Congratulations and well done!!

 

[wraith5]

Darrin: I'm not surprised about your weight loss as you've worked your #### off (literally!). I think it's really cool that you measure the lost weight in "BackStreet Boys". Having lost a total of 3 BackStreet Boys is quite an achievement! Wraith: buying a camelback to hydrate your camelback might be a bit obsessive.

I used the "Backstreet Boy" shtick yesterday with a friend who has lost 87lbs. Too funny. OK, my run on Sunday - business as usual for 15 miles, almost the same exact pace as my 19 miler last weekend and 5 bpm LESS. But after 17 the wheels came off completely. Two major problems: 1) Needed to stop & use the bathroom (same thing that happened 10/4 during my 20 miler). I tried to will the issue away but by 16.5 I realized I either stopped or... very bad things were going to happen. I think getting up a little earlier and getting moving before I start my run will solve the problem. I also need to pay attention to my diet the day before my long runs (I only have two 20's left now). 2) My quads were completely fried. I have not had quad problems on my previous runs so I don't know if it was a result of the hill work in TN, the treadmill work on Fri, or something else. But by the end of the run I was hurting big-time. I'm still VERY sore today. Maybe this is a good thing since the marathon is down-hill, assuming my quads come out of this experience stronger.

 

[Dexter]

Any bike & running trailer suggestions for kids? something along the lines of this?

http://www.amazon.com/Schwinn-Double-Trail...ref=pd_sbs_sg_5

How old?I just bought one of these. My boy is 4.

Right now he's -3 monthsETA: please see my example.

What - you mean he can't pedal yet?

Oh he's pedaling. Just ask my wife what he's doing in there.

 

[gruecd]

Select columbus marathong

I LOVE marathongs!!

 

[2Young2BBald]

Select columbus marathong

I LOVE marathongs!!

Freudian slip, no doubt!The Teri Hatcher Triathlon Photo Came to Mind for Some Reason.......

eta, man do I miss the warm weather already!!!!

 

[2Young2BBald]

Darrin: I'm not surprised about your weight loss as you've worked your #### off (literally!). I think it's really cool that you measure the lost weight in "BackStreet Boys". Having lost a total of 3 BackStreet Boys is quite an achievement! Wraith: buying a camelback to hydrate your camelback might be a bit obsessive.

I used the "Backstreet Boy" shtick yesterday with a friend who has lost 87lbs. Too funny. OK, my run on Sunday - business as usual for 15 miles, almost the same exact pace as my 19 miler last weekend and 5 bpm LESS. But after 17 the wheels came off completely. Two major problems: 1) Needed to stop & use the bathroom (same thing that happened 10/4 during my 20 miler). I tried to will the issue away but by 16.5 I realized I either stopped or... very bad things were going to happen. I think getting up a little earlier and getting moving before I start my run will solve the problem. I also need to pay attention to my diet the day before my long runs (I only have two 20's left now). 2) My quads were completely fried. I have not had quad problems on my previous runs so I don't know if it was a result of the hill work in TN, the treadmill work on Fri, or something else. But by the end of the run I was hurting big-time. I'm still VERY sore today. Maybe this is a good thing since the marathon is down-hill, assuming my quads come out of this experience stronger.

This makes a heck of a lot more sense that that Haiku you posted. I can't belive I am posting a "poopy" related piece of advice, but I wouldn't sweat the issues you are having too much. I think race day jitters have a way of speeding up the system a lot more than training days, allowing the system to regulate. For this summer, I also started just getting up out of bed on race day if it is within an hour of the alarm going off and have had zero "poopy" issues on any race day. Plus, you'll gain an hour going to AZ which will help too.As for the quads, we were suckers and bought The Stick at a race expo. This thing is a godsend on tore up quads & calves (and just about everywhere else). There is a guy I see racing tris that brings one to events and uses it right after races. I keep meaning to add it to my stash of race stuff, but my daughter also uses it and it typically ends up lost somewhere in her room.

 

[gruecd]

One more question, anyone you know have good success with the 18/55 plan?

Ummm, yeah. I added a few miles here and there, but

I thought that you said that you were doing 70 per week. How much did you add and how close were you to the 18/70 plan?

I think I peaked out at 69 miles, but I was hitting 60 pretty regularly over the last couple months. Basically, I added a few miles here and there, and I took one of the rest days and did a double recovery run instead (usually 4 in the morning and 5-6 in the afternoon). I took a rest day every 10-11 days or so.

 

[gruecd]

1) Needed to stop & use the bathroom (same thing that happened 10/4 during my 20 miler). I tried to will the issue away but by 16.5 I realized I either stopped or... very bad things were going to happen.

This reminded me of my friend's recent experience in the Louisville Marathon. Here's an excerpt from his race report (true story...effin' hilarious):

Ashley ran with me for a bit at mile 23 and all of a sudden, the one thing we are fear happened. The feeling of “uh oh, I gotta go and it isn’t going to wait no matter how much I clench”. There was 2 miles left and Ashley told me just to hold it. She left in my truck and right before the 25 miles mark I had all I could stands, and I couldn’t stands no more. I did not want to be the picture of that guy that crapped his pants in a race and has been spread all over emails. There was not a port-a-john in site. Only long, straight road. I was running amongst all the half-marathon walkers…a majority middle aged to older females. I just yelled I am sorry, ran 4 feet off the road, pulled down the shorts and cue Augustus Gloomp at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory….remember the river? I quickly looked around for something to wipe with, a ditch was 15 feet away with some leaves. I chose to waddle over (pants still down) grab some leave and grass and give it my best shot. I pulled up my shorts and hit the road again and did my best to not make eye contact. I ran by some women who said good job, I politely asked if I had poop on the back of my shorts….I didn’t…but I did on the sides of my shoes.

I was almost crying, I was laughing so hard the first time I read this!

 

[SteveUK]

1) Needed to stop & use the bathroom (same thing that happened 10/4 during my 20 miler). I tried to will the issue away but by 16.5 I realized I either stopped or... very bad things were going to happen.

This reminded me of my friend's recent experience in the Louisville Marathon. Here's an excerpt from his race report (true story...effin' hilarious):

Ashley ran with me for a bit at mile 23 and all of a sudden, the one thing we are fear happened. The feeling of "uh oh, I gotta go and it isn't going to wait no matter how much I clench". There was 2 miles left and Ashley told me just to hold it. She left in my truck and right before the 25 miles mark I had all I could stands, and I couldn't stands no more. I did not want to be the picture of that guy that crapped his pants in a race and has been spread all over emails. There was not a port-a-john in site. Only long, straight road. I was running amongst all the half-marathon walkers…a majority middle aged to older females. I just yelled I am sorry, ran 4 feet off the road, pulled down the shorts and cue Augustus Gloomp at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory….remember the river? I quickly looked around for something to wipe with, a ditch was 15 feet away with some leaves. I chose to waddle over (pants still down) grab some leave and grass and give it my best shot. I pulled up my shorts and hit the road again and did my best to not make eye contact. I ran by some women who said good job, I politely asked if I had poop on the back of my shorts….I didn't…but I did on the sides of my shoes.

I was almost crying, I was laughing so hard the first time I read this!

Reminds me of the time I was trying to do an interval session...

 

[Sand]

Select columbus marathong

I LOVE marathongs!!

Freudian slip, no doubt!The Teri Hatcher Triathlon Photo Came to Mind for Some Reason.......

eta, man do I miss the warm weather already!!!!

Bless you, sir. I hadn't seen that one.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Back in the pool tonight to try and put in to action the free lesson I received last week. 2,500 yards of really focusing on extending my left arm and keeping my head down for about a second longer that usual to allow for the longer arm extension. I noticed two things: this does make me faster and I expended less energy (by a lot I think) and, keeping my head down made a #### load of water go up my nose. The latter has to be due to my air intake or exhale not matching the motion of my head. I think I can fix this.

Cool thing today, my brother-in-law and I we chatting about 1/2 IMs. If you all think I have an athletic OCD, you ain't seen nothing compared to him. During our conversation he realized that he'll age up to 40 in USAT age rules next year, putting him in my AG This wouldn't mean much, except for the fact that he is a former college all american in gymnastics. was on the olympic aerial ski team AND has never not crushed anything athletic he has ever tried. Oh, and he is still mad I beat him in the only tri we've went head to head in and blames (rightly so) the POS bike I set him up with. SO, he is thinking about training for an HIM too and hooking up to do our 1st together. I hate that he, my sister, neice and nephew are so far away, so I treasure any time we get with them and this would be an amazing chance to hang out. He agrees with you, Tri-Man, than Muncie is looking like the best option next year.

 

[prosopis]

Saw the new cardiologist today. He seems to think I am fine and nothing needs to be done. He heard no ASD. He was confused by the reports from cardiologist #1. Some of the reports say ASD and some say PFO.

I told him I was under the impression I was sent there for a heart catheter and possible patch job. He said he would not do a patch job unless I had a history of strokes which I dont. He said he would fix an ASD as that is a big deal. He was going to call the other cardiologist and see what he was thinking. He called my home asking for me so he must have the info. I will hopefully hear from him tomorrow. After the consult I flat out asked him if he was surprised that the other cardiologist sent me there. He pretty much said yes and that is why he was going to talk to him.

He had no answer for my complaint of shortness of breath. He said I killed the stress test which is another reason he said I dont have an ASD. He said maybe the people I am comparing myself to are in better shape. He said it nicer then that but that is what it came down to.

I should have a definitive answer tomorrow.

I did 5 miles at the gym following my appt.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Saw the new cardiologist today. He seems to think I am fine and nothing needs to be done. He heard no ASD. He was confused by the reports from cardiologist #1. Some of the reports say ASD and some say PFO.I told him I was under the impression I was sent there for a heart catheter and possible patch job. He said he would not do a patch job unless I had a history of strokes which I dont. He said he would fix an ASD as that is a big deal. He was going to call the other cardiologist and see what he was thinking. He called my home asking for me so he must have the info. I will hopefully hear from him tomorrow. After the consult I flat out asked him if he was surprised that the other cardiologist sent me there. He pretty much said yes and that is why he was going to talk to him.He had no answer for my complaint of shortness of breath. He said I killed the stress test which is another reason he said I dont have an ASD. He said maybe the people I am comparing myself to are in better shape. He said it nicer then that but that is what it came down to.I should have a definitive answer tomorrow.I did 5 miles at the gym following my appt.

Great news and hopefully he has confered with the other Doc and you have a green light to go get'em!

 

[Sand]

Saw the new cardiologist today. He seems to think I am fine and nothing needs to be done. He heard no ASD. He was confused by the reports from cardiologist #1. Some of the reports say ASD and some say PFO.I told him I was under the impression I was sent there for a heart catheter and possible patch job. He said he would not do a patch job unless I had a history of strokes which I dont. He said he would fix an ASD as that is a big deal. He was going to call the other cardiologist and see what he was thinking. He called my home asking for me so he must have the info. I will hopefully hear from him tomorrow. After the consult I flat out asked him if he was surprised that the other cardiologist sent me there. He pretty much said yes and that is why he was going to talk to him.He had no answer for my complaint of shortness of breath. He said I killed the stress test which is another reason he said I dont have an ASD. He said maybe the people I am comparing myself to are in better shape. He said it nicer then that but that is what it came down to.I should have a definitive answer tomorrow.I did 5 miles at the gym following my appt.

Well, that is good news!

 

[wraith5]

Saw the new cardiologist today. He seems to think I am fine and nothing needs to be done. He heard no ASD. He was confused by the reports from cardiologist #1. Some of the reports say ASD and some say PFO.I told him I was under the impression I was sent there for a heart catheter and possible patch job. He said he would not do a patch job unless I had a history of strokes which I dont. He said he would fix an ASD as that is a big deal. He was going to call the other cardiologist and see what he was thinking. He called my home asking for me so he must have the info. I will hopefully hear from him tomorrow. After the consult I flat out asked him if he was surprised that the other cardiologist sent me there. He pretty much said yes and that is why he was going to talk to him.He had no answer for my complaint of shortness of breath. He said I killed the stress test which is another reason he said I dont have an ASD. He said maybe the people I am comparing myself to are in better shape. He said it nicer then that but that is what it came down to.I should have a definitive answer tomorrow.I did 5 miles at the gym following my appt.

Good luck tomorrow - I hope he confirms what he told you today and you're good to go. BTW - I am totally up for meeting when I'm out in Tucson.

 

[wraith5]

Darrin: I'm not surprised about your weight loss as you've worked your #### off (literally!). I think it's really cool that you measure the lost weight in "BackStreet Boys". Having lost a total of 3 BackStreet Boys is quite an achievement! Wraith: buying a camelback to hydrate your camelback might be a bit obsessive.

I used the "Backstreet Boy" shtick yesterday with a friend who has lost 87lbs. Too funny. OK, my run on Sunday - business as usual for 15 miles, almost the same exact pace as my 19 miler last weekend and 5 bpm LESS. But after 17 the wheels came off completely. Two major problems: 1) Needed to stop & use the bathroom (same thing that happened 10/4 during my 20 miler). I tried to will the issue away but by 16.5 I realized I either stopped or... very bad things were going to happen. I think getting up a little earlier and getting moving before I start my run will solve the problem. I also need to pay attention to my diet the day before my long runs (I only have two 20's left now). 2) My quads were completely fried. I have not had quad problems on my previous runs so I don't know if it was a result of the hill work in TN, the treadmill work on Fri, or something else. But by the end of the run I was hurting big-time. I'm still VERY sore today. Maybe this is a good thing since the marathon is down-hill, assuming my quads come out of this experience stronger.

This makes a heck of a lot more sense that that Haiku you posted. I can't belive I am posting a "poopy" related piece of advice, but I wouldn't sweat the issues you are having too much. I think race day jitters have a way of speeding up the system a lot more than training days, allowing the system to regulate. For this summer, I also started just getting up out of bed on race day if it is within an hour of the alarm going off and have had zero "poopy" issues on any race day. Plus, you'll gain an hour going to AZ which will help too.As for the quads, we were suckers and bought The Stick at a race expo. This thing is a godsend on tore up quads & calves (and just about everywhere else). There is a guy I see racing tris that brings one to events and uses it right after races. I keep meaning to add it to my stash of race stuff, but my daughter also uses it and it typically ends up lost somewhere in her room.

My Haiku was all I had the energy (or time) for yesterday. Plus I needed to look at my Garmin data to compare my previous runs before I could present an accurate run report (and I was ticked off and frustrated and f'n tired!!). I appreciate the response - I knew it was a little odd when I posted it, but I honestly needed some advice/input. I really need my last two 20's to go very well so I hit the taper with confidence.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Select columbus marathong

I LOVE marathongs!!

LOL. 2Young - Great pic.

gruecd - Believe it or not I type that every time i type out marathon. I just missed a backspace there. It never fails. It is like I have to spell it with a backspace at the end to get it right.

 

[pmbrown_22]

2) My quads were completely fried. I have not had quad problems on my previous runs so I don't know if it was a result of the hill work in TN, the treadmill work on Fri, or something else. But by the end of the run I was hurting big-time. I'm still VERY sore today. Maybe this is a good thing since the marathon is down-hill, assuming my quads come out of this experience stronger.

Something similar happened to me when I went to Gatlinburg a year ago. I ended up running in the park on what I thought was supposed to be a short loop and ended up being 3 mile up hill before I turned around. Not sure if you know the area well enough to know where the Park Vista hotel is, but that is where we stayed. After the 3 miles up and down the hill, I had to go up what seemed like a 30% grade up to the Park Vista. My quads were not right for two weeks. Maybe a roller will help and extra stretching. I can just remember thinking the same thing when I did it, like " What is wrong with me?"______________________I did 4 miles yesterday and am getting back into everything. I was going to do 6 miles this morning, but my son will not sleep at night so it is making the early morning runs near impossible. I am going to try and get them done tonight before I go to bed.

 

[gruecd]

I hate tapering. There, I said it. Weighed myself this morning, and I'm about 3-4 pounds heavier than I was when I ran Chicago 2+ weeks ago. I guess I'll need to watch what I eat a little bit over the next couple of days...

I'll do an easy 7-miler after work this afternoon/tonight. Might mix in a couple of faster miles just to see how the legs are feeling. SRD tomorrow, 5-miler with strides on Thursday, and leaving on a jet plane for NYC early Friday morning.

pmb - Cool pics. Thanks for sharing.

Workhorse - Nice job on the 14-miler. What are you training for?

Roarin S - Happy belated birthday, old man!

jonmhend - Training plan looks pretty solid.

liquors - Funny you should mention basketball. I actually shot around a little bit last weekend, and it was the first time I'd touched a ball in probably 3-4 months. Felt almost foreign to me. My league starts again in December, so I'll have to get going again after New York. (Hey, you asked....)

wraith - I wonder what's going on with those quads. Hmm. Anyway, sending you good vibes for those last couple of 20-milers!!

2Young - Swimming, schwimming.

prosopis - GREAT news!!!!

 

[pigskinliquors]

Prosopsis: GREAT news. Hopefully you'll receive more today.

Wraith: I generally get sore quads after hill workouts, or after really hard bike rides. Rolling them out, or getting a massage (both immediately after a workout) can help tremendously. I also like ice baths within two hours of a hard workout. I typically only get one or two 20 milers in at most prior to a marathon = you will be MORE than ready!!! For my 31 miler in two weeks, I only got two in, with the second being a large struggle. You will be fine!

2Young: I haven't been in the pool for awhile, but both of your swim thoughts are most excellent. Timing your breathing is one of the most important skills in the water. One thing you might want to try is to more forcefully exhale, which can allow you to inhale more quickly.

Gruecd: I'm only 3 days into my taper, and I'm already up 3 pounds (due to having too much fun on the weekend, knowing I didn't have a long run!). Ideally I'll lose two of them prior to my race. All kidding aside, great to see that you are back on the court!

__________________

My mini-update:

Had a really nice and easy 8 miler this morning, with the temp at 55 First mile at 8:25, each subsequent mile faster, with the last three miles being 7:45, 7:38 and 7:27 (Total: 8.01 miles at 7:58 pace). My taper plan from here forward is:

Th: 8 miles at 8:00 pace

Sat: 9 miles at 9:00 pace

Mon: 5 miles at 8:30 pace (with miles 3 and 4 at 8:00)

Wed: 4 miles at 8:30 pace (with mile 3 at 7:45)

Sat: Somehow miraculously run 31 miles, on extremely hilly and rough terrain having not trained on similar conditions at all, or run even 2/3's of the distance

 

[Keggers]

I haven't posted for a while...but I've been lurking. Great updates from a lot of you!

Did an slow and easy 9 miles yesterday...on the treadmill (it was raining...I don't want to hear any HTFU comments). Plan on doing another 5 this afternoon. The weather is cooperating so it'll be outside.

 

[Workhorse]

Workhorse - Nice job on the 14-miler. What are you training for?

Disney Marathon in January.

 

[2Young2BBald]

2Young: I haven't been in the pool for awhile, but both of your swim thoughts are most excellent. Timing your breathing is one of the most important skills in the water. One thing you might want to try is to more forcefully exhale, which can allow you to inhale more quickly. __________________My mini-update: Had a really nice and easy 8 miler this morning, with the temp at 55 First mile at 8:25, each subsequent mile faster, with the last three miles being 7:45, 7:38 and 7:27 (Total: 8.01 miles at 7:58 pace). My taper plan from here forward is:Th: 8 miles at 8:00 paceSat: 9 miles at 9:00 paceMon: 5 miles at 8:30 pace (with miles 3 and 4 at 8:00)Wed: 4 miles at 8:30 pace (with mile 3 at 7:45)Sat: Somehow miraculously run 31 miles, on extremely hilly and rough terrain having not trained on similar conditions at all, or run even 2/3's of the distance

On swimming, I power exhale through my mouth and nose (and am damn noisy too, but it works for me). I think this might be part of the issue I had with water powering its way up my nose as it was empty and nothing is holding the water back if this makes sense. More practice should cure it.On running, what are you planning on for a pace for race day? If its more than 9 MM, I think you may want to consider at least one run at race pace. When I have a dirt run coming up I try to work at pace (and on grass, etc) to acclimate. I did a simulated dirt run this weekend and all but burned up in the beginning as I was running 8:15 MM on uneven grass before I backed things down. If I tried to do the same when I race on a tough dirt course on 11/8, I'll be walking by mile 2. Just a thought.Another question, based on your recommendation I am about 1-month in to trying glucosamine & condrointin. How soon before you think you began to see & feel the benefits?

 

[Darrinll40]

Fricken eighty fricken seven fricken degrees at fricken five fricken forty fricken five fricken pm. Fricken Florida, gotta love it.

Hard run in heat two weeks ago, Link.

Easy run in heat tonight, Link.

I am slowly getting there.

 

[gruecd]

Fricken eighty fricken seven fricken degrees at fricken five fricken forty fricken five fricken pm. Fricken Florida, gotta love it.

Just got back from my 7-miler. Partly cloudy and 46°F.

 

[Darrinll40]

Fricken eighty fricken seven fricken degrees at fricken five fricken forty fricken five fricken pm. Fricken Florida, gotta love it.

Just got back from my 7-miler. Partly cloudy and 46°F.

I will remind you of your weather cockiness in January.

 

[gruecd]

Fricken eighty fricken seven fricken degrees at fricken five fricken forty fricken five fricken pm. Fricken Florida, gotta love it.

Just got back from my 7-miler. Partly cloudy and 46°F.

I will remind you of your weather cockiness in January.

Touché.

 

[Third]

Ran 4 miles this morning in a light rain...which was actually nice.

I have been on an every other day schedule for the past 3 weeks, but I am almost craving running again tonight.

I think that is a good sign.

 

[prosopis]

Damn

I talked to cardiologist #2 who after speaking with cardiologist #1 now wants to do the heart cath. According to the second doc the first one saw what looked to be an ASD on the original echo. He was unable to confirm it or say it was not there with the TEE. The heart cath will be the definitive answer. Doc #2 still feels I have nothing wrong but feels it is best to look. I am scheduled for this on Friday morning.

* The roller coaster of emotions through this whole thing has sucked. Today my wife broke down crying about it. She got really upset that yesterday I felt nothing was going to happen to then having it sched for Friday.

 

[Darrinll40]

Ran 4 miles this morning in a light rain...which was actually nice. I have been on an every other day schedule for the past 3 weeks, but I am almost craving running again tonight.I think that is a good sign.

I would say it is a good sign, adding a nice easy run won't hurt any. When I get in shape and in training mode I run Tue, Wed, Thurs, Sat, and Sun, with Saturday being my long run. I can;t wait to start that sometime in December. I should be back in shape by then.

 

[Darrinll40]

Damn I talked to cardiologist #2 who after speaking with cardiologist #1 now wants to do the heart cath. According to the second doc the first one saw what looked to be an ASD on the original echo. He was unable to confirm it or say it was not there with the TEE. The heart cath will be the definitive answer. Doc #2 still feels I have nothing wrong but feels it is best to look. I am scheduled for this on Friday morning. * The roller coaster of emotions through this whole thing has sucked. Today my wife broke down crying about it. She got really upset that yesterday I felt nothing was going to happen to then having it sched for Friday.

Man I hope it all turns out ok, anything to do with the heart is scary.

 

[jonmhend]

Damn I talked to cardiologist #2 who after speaking with cardiologist #1 now wants to do the heart cath. According to the second doc the first one saw what looked to be an ASD on the original echo. He was unable to confirm it or say it was not there with the TEE. The heart cath will be the definitive answer. Doc #2 still feels I have nothing wrong but feels it is best to look. I am scheduled for this on Friday morning. * The roller coaster of emotions through this whole thing has sucked. Today my wife broke down crying about it. She got really upset that yesterday I felt nothing was going to happen to then having it sched for Friday.

Sorry to hear that Prosopis. Hope it goes well Friday.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Damn I talked to cardiologist #2 who after speaking with cardiologist #1 now wants to do the heart cath. According to the second doc the first one saw what looked to be an ASD on the original echo. He was unable to confirm it or say it was not there with the TEE. The heart cath will be the definitive answer. Doc #2 still feels I have nothing wrong but feels it is best to look. I am scheduled for this on Friday morning. * The roller coaster of emotions through this whole thing has sucked. Today my wife broke down crying about it. She got really upset that yesterday I felt nothing was going to happen to then having it sched for Friday.

Damn indeed & sorry for the roller coaster, but continue to remember to focus on the long term. I think most people would desire the medical care you are getting and how cautious they are being. Look, I could tell you and your wife not to worry, but you are going to worry, that's natural. But, try to be positive (for you and your wife). You could ignore this or face it head on. Scary to think about what might result if you ignore it. Face it head on , find out for sure and get on with things. (I know, easy for me to say).

 

[Dexter]

Bought a new mountain bike today for the Iceman race in two weeks. I picked up the Trek Fuel EX 7. Can't wait to take it out.

 

[wraith5]

Damn I talked to cardiologist #2 who after speaking with cardiologist #1 now wants to do the heart cath. According to the second doc the first one saw what looked to be an ASD on the original echo. He was unable to confirm it or say it was not there with the TEE. The heart cath will be the definitive answer. Doc #2 still feels I have nothing wrong but feels it is best to look. I am scheduled for this on Friday morning. * The roller coaster of emotions through this whole thing has sucked. Today my wife broke down crying about it. She got really upset that yesterday I felt nothing was going to happen to then having it sched for Friday.

Damn indeed & sorry for the roller coaster, but continue to remember to focus on the long term. I think most people would desire the medical care you are getting and how cautious they are being. Look, I could tell you and your wife not to worry, but you are going to worry, that's natural. But, try to be positive (for you and your wife). You could ignore this or face it head on. Scary to think about what might result if you ignore it. Face it head on , find out for sure and get on with things. (I know, easy for me to say).

I had a feeling Card 2 would err on the side of caution (which is a good thing, by the way). Good luck on Friday and be glad you will KNOW after the test!

 

[jonmhend]

Question for all you more experienced runners.

I started off using Higdon's Intermediate I program, but felt like the speed work was potentially going to cause an injury. I figured it was just because I didn't really have a sufficient base to be trying that. So now there are times where I'll put in a longer run than Higdon suggests during the week. For example, Saturday I ran 8 (my longest run to date). Yesterday I put in 5 and today felt like stretching it to 7. My thinking is that I'm just trying to build my base and the one mile step-back from the long distance will help to solidify the gain from the previous week. Is this accurate, or does that do damage that I'm not aware of?

 

[pmbrown_22]

Question for all you more experienced runners. I started off using Higdon's Intermediate I program, but felt like the speed work was potentially going to cause an injury. I figured it was just because I didn't really have a sufficient base to be trying that. So now there are times where I'll put in a longer run than Higdon suggests during the week. For example, Saturday I ran 8 (my longest run to date). Yesterday I put in 5 and today felt like stretching it to 7. My thinking is that I'm just trying to build my base and the one mile step-back from the long distance will help to solidify the gain from the previous week. Is this accurate, or does that do damage that I'm not aware of?

I used Higdon's Intermediate II plan and added a few miles per week. Here is the thing to remember though with those step back weeks. It may not matter too much at the beginning of the plan because the weeks seem easier, but once you start getting into the higher mileage weeks you will really appreciate the step back weeks and your body will need the rest. I did not think they would be that big of a deal when I started the plan, but you do rest up a bit after your longer runs and do feel a bit refreshed after them. With that I did add a couple of miles a week with them. I think I added one or two miles to the Tuesday and Thursday runs.

 

[tri-man 47]

Liquors - that earlier schtick ...that was comedy right? I get it.



I'll remember to tip the waitress.

Prosopis - I know you (and your wife) have really been on a roller coaster with this whole heart issue. But be patient and take the long view. When I first had my inner ear disorder in '94, it was a horrible six months of dizziness and nausea. But I ultimately viewed it as a crossroad in my life ...a chance to change my routines, learn to relax more, focus on my health, etc. I tried to turn the negative into a positive. I hope you and your wife can do that too. This zany little i-community is standing behind you.

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Light training still for me. Moved the bike indoors, and will be trying to put in a lot of hours on it. Also, I had picked up a several stage yoga routine from a tri magazine back before my marathon. That routine helped with my soreness before the race, and I'm trying to keep up the yoga now. It feels good at the start of the day.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Prosopsis: I'm with others, in that #2 is most likely just being cautious (as s/he should), and it will be really nice to "know" vs. "think-you-know". Hang in there with the Mrs.

Jonmhend: Trust your body, and how it is feeling. If you feel like you might be close to injury, you most likely are. I've been there too many times and thought I could work through it to only find that I actually was very close to an injury. Build your base up, and do just half of the speed work they ask for at this time (i.e., if they start with 4 intervals, do 2); then slowly build up.

Darrin: "Getting-Stronger"

On running, what are you planning on for a pace for race day? If its more than 9 MM, I think you may want to consider at least one run at race pace. When I have a dirt run coming up I try to work at pace (and on grass, etc) to acclimate. I did a simulated dirt run this weekend and all but burned up in the beginning as I was running 8:15 MM on uneven grass before I backed things down. If I tried to do the same when I race on a tough dirt course on 11/8, I'll be walking by mile 2. Just a thought.

Another question, based on your recommendation I am about 1-month in to trying glucosamine & condrointin. How soon before you think you began to see & feel the benefits?

With the elevation and technical difficulty of the course (lots of roots; and from race reports, I'm almost guaranteed to have multiple falls), I'm going to go out at 10 MM and then re-evaluate after each 5 mile stretch. I will treat the course as 7 sections (5, 5 mile sections, then 2 5ks). A 10 MM pace last year would have been a top 15 finish; which I am pretty sure is way out of my range with the training I've done. My actual goal is to finish in 6 hours or less (just under 12 MM pace) as that would keep me in the top half of finishers (according to last year's results). I will most likely bonk around mile 25, and will spend the last 6 miles HTFU'ing (= crawling and fighting to finish). IF I can average 10-10.5 MM for the first 25; I can walk the last 6 to finish on goal. Having NEVER walked during a race, this will be a hit to my ego; but I will PR for every step after 26.2; "So, I'll have that going for me...which is nice." If it rains during or before the race; my expectations will be reduced even further, as the course will be even more of a bear. For my first 20 miler, I ran the first 8 at 10 MM; and sped up each mile after (ending at 9:00 pace) = trying to emulate race pace; and tired legs late. I have run a few trail miles, but not nearly enough, and am also ill-prepared to run hills. Hopefully, it will be cooler than I've been training in, and I'll be able to maintain my HR. I hope to have my HR stay below 170 through mile 15; below 175 through mile 20; below 180 through mile 25; then somehow find a way to get through two 5k's coming in (it's a plan!).

Regarding glucosamine/condroitin; after 1 month, your joints should be more fluid then they were. You should feel the benefits after longer/harder runs (where your knees would have creeked/hurt before, they shouldn't nearly as much now). Colder weather tends to increase joint pain in me, which is something you might also be going through.

 

[Darrinll40]

Darrin: "Getting-Stronger"

Thanks

Regarding glucosamine/condroitin; after 1 month, your joints should be more fluid then they were. You should feel the benefits after longer/harder runs (where your knees would have creeked/hurt before, they shouldn't nearly as much now). Colder weather tends to increase joint pain in me, which is something you might also be going through.

I considered GC when I started running the first time. Everything I read about it seems to be conflicting. You actually took it and it helped? Maybe I should give it a second thought.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I considered GC when I started running the first time. Everything I read about it seems to be conflicting. You actually took it and it helped? Maybe I should give it a second thought.

My Dr. is a Sports Med Specialist, and he swears by it. All I know is that I had re-occurring knee problems prior to using it, and while my knees still hurt every once in awhile, the severity is considerably less since I started using it.

 

[pigskinliquors]

 

[wraith5]

Question for all you more experienced runners. I started off using Higdon's Intermediate I program, but felt like the speed work was potentially going to cause an injury. I figured it was just because I didn't really have a sufficient base to be trying that. So now there are times where I'll put in a longer run than Higdon suggests during the week. For example, Saturday I ran 8 (my longest run to date). Yesterday I put in 5 and today felt like stretching it to 7. My thinking is that I'm just trying to build my base and the one mile step-back from the long distance will help to solidify the gain from the previous week. Is this accurate, or does that do damage that I'm not aware of?

I used Higdon's Intermediate II plan and added a few miles per week. Here is the thing to remember though with those step back weeks. It may not matter too much at the beginning of the plan because the weeks seem easier, but once you start getting into the higher mileage weeks you will really appreciate the step back weeks and your body will need the rest. I did not think they would be that big of a deal when I started the plan, but you do rest up a bit after your longer runs and do feel a bit refreshed after them. With that I did add a couple of miles a week with them. I think I added one or two miles to the Tuesday and Thursday runs.

recovery/step-back weeks are critical to acheiving your goal. jonmhend - you're doing the 1/2 marathon program, right ? (the Intermediate Marathon programs don't appear to have speedwork, so I'm assuming so) What pace are you / would you be using for the 400s and the tempo work? I would think the risk of injury would be mitigated by using the right pace for those runs. I tend to think there is a strong benefit to doing the speed work. Speaking of which, 3x (2x 1200) for me this morning with a goal pace of 7:20: actual pace = 7:10, 7:19, 7:13, 7:10, 7:17, 7:08. I used 1 minute recovery / 2 minute recovery between sets, and just realized I was supposed to do twice that. Oops. Guess that's a good thing that I was still able to do it!! I'm supposed to do 10 on Friday at "PMP," but I'll be damned if I can remember what that stands for. Guess I'll have to find it in my FIRST book...

 

[wraith5]

The last shot almost made me fall out of my chair!

 

[pigskinliquors]

you motivated.

 

[Darrinll40]

Fricken eighty fricken seven fricken degrees at fricken five fricken forty fricken five fricken pm. Fricken Florida, gotta love it.

Hard run in heat two weeks ago, Link.

Easy run in heat tonight, Link.

I am slowly getting there.

OK, it wasn't 85 tonight, it was 88. <sigh>But good news. I did the 3.51 in 40:32. Yes it is 3 seconds slower than the hard run I posted in the above quote, but that run about did me in. Tonight I finished my run in the heat without breathing hard. When I got home I stopped and just walked in, no catching my breath or anything. I am as ready for Sunday as I can be with only two months training.

 

[prosopis]

That is how I looked after I did my rim to rim hike of the Grand Canyon. Some of the best pain I have ever felt.

 

[prosopis]

I got 6 miles in tonight.

I am now looking forward to the heart cath on Friday. I just want it over with. As I was running tonight I could not help but think, would a guy who has an ASD be able to run 6 miles? I think the answer is no but I am no doctor. My wife is doing better. Turns out aunt flo made her monthly visit yesterday. I think that may have contributed to the water works. I feel confident I will come through this ok but I do want to cover my bases so I got living will today at work. I made my wife the agent to pull the plug if it comes to that. I just have to come up with a calm cool way of explaining this to her. If I am on life support I would want three days plugged in, just in case I was to come through. If I am vegetable after three days I want to plug pulled.

Ughh getting older is morbid.

Thanks for all the support in here. It helps.

 

[bentley]

I've been reading but not posting lately because I didn't have anything to update. When I started running again after the baby was born, I was experiencing knee pain after every run to the point that I was convinced that I'd torn my ACL. But I laid off it for a couple weeks, switched up my shoes, and ran twice this week.

Got in 4 miles on Monday and 4.5 miles today with a very tolerable amount of knee pain. Still on for a 5K on Saturday and then I'll start training for real for the Austin Half Marathon on February 14.