Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[The_Man]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something? Birthday is coming up and I'm thinking it's going to be at the top of my list (actually, something that costs that much will be pretty much my entire list).

Did 5 miles this morning at a 7:42 pace (first 4 miles at 7:46 and then brought it home in 7:27), which is my best ever for that distance. Pretty cool to think that just over 6 weeks ago, 6 miles was my "long" run of the week where I didn't even worry about time, and now I'm cranking through 5 miles at (for me) a rapid clip.

Two and a half weeks to the Half Marathon!

 

[Lehigh98]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

 

[wraith5]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

I look at my HR data all the time (during runs as well as analysis afterwards). I use that as a measure of effort moreso than I use pace.

Gruecd - Give your body a break and skip the 12 miler. If anything, do another shorter, easy run. The rest is going to benefit you a lot more than the miles as far as Sunday's race is concerned.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'll second the recommendation to skip the 12 miler today. You won't be able to do ANYTHING at this point to help your fitness (for this weekend), but can hurt it by over training.

Regarding the 305; I can't imagine life without it. I've worn out my HR strap, and will be ordering a new one this week.

Bentley: I ran at Town Lake last month, and can attest the quantity of "fit" bodies running around in Austin. It was a gorgeous day, and there were literally 100 runners who burned outstanding mental images into my brain.

Tri-Man: Easter is just around the corner, and nothing says resurrection, like a new Garmin!!

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My update:

I got in my first lunge workout in quite some time last night. My legs feel perfectly painful today, and I look forward to making this feeling be permanent by upping the intensity, rep's and sets over the next 5 weeks. The weather forecast for my half on Sunday is currently a high of 70, and a low of 56. The low will be quite a bit higher than our group has been training in, and it will be interesting to see how well they do. There is also a good chance for rain, which could make it even more interesting. IF everyone finishes it will be an amazing day regardless.

Our whole group lives in a development called "Saddle Creek" and we meet at least 3x per week, at one of our friends (both he and his wife are running with us!) outdoor bar for good company at our community purchased Kegerator. We call the bar "Saddle Creek Saloon" and have been calling ourselves The Saddle Creek Club: a "drinking club with a running problem." They don't know it yet, but I signed up for the race with the name "Sal SaddleCreek", which will likely be posted as "SaddleCreek, Sal" in the results.

 

[Sand]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that HR monitor to be quite lacking. It reads fine, but is quite uncomfortable. I can wear it for biking, no problem, but for running it won't stay put and is quite a distraction in any case.Garmin does make a "Premium" monitor that is supposed to be much more comfortable. Just a FYI.

 

[wraith5]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that HR monitor to be quite lacking. It reads fine, but is quite uncomfortable. I can wear it for biking, no problem, but for running it won't stay put and is quite a distraction in any case.Garmin does make a "Premium" monitor that is supposed to be much more comfortable. Just a FYI.

Sand maybe you have it too loose? Mine generally stays put without issue. I did 40 minutes on the bike this morning, and 1600yds in the pool at lunch (100, 200, 3x400, 100). Neither was a particularly compelling workout, but they got done. I was going to swim farther, but both of my feet cramped up at about 1450 yds then I reached to touch the wall when I was closer than I thought and jammed three fingers. Figured that was a sign to go back to work.

 

[gruecd]

My cold seemed like it was all "above the neck," so I went ahead and did the 12-miler this afternoon. Felt pretty good all the way through and averaged 8:03 pace.

It's not so much that I'm trying to improve fitness for the half; in fact, I really don't even consider Little Rock a goal race. I just didn't want to miss a workout in my Boston training schedule. I'm kinda anal that way.

 

[2Young2BBald]

We're into March ...race season definitely off and 'running' here! 2Young, I'm registered for the trail 1/2-marathon in Pinckney. That's coming up soon enough!

AWESOME, you are going to love that bad ### trail. Depending on which Running Fit locale has packet pick, one of us from the dirt team should be able to pick up your packet. Depending on my son's LL schedule, I am kicking around camping out there the night before & I'll keep you posted. They race in waves within a couple of minutes. Pete and I ran with the 10:00 to 10:30 MM group which was just about right for us. I'd think you could easily coast with the 9:00s.I have a 5K on St Pat's Sunday and the ugly shirt 1/2 on 4/10 before the trail 1/2.

 

[2Young2BBald]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that HR monitor to be quite lacking. It reads fine, but is quite uncomfortable. I can wear it for biking, no problem, but for running it won't stay put and is quite a distraction in any case.Garmin does make a "Premium" monitor that is supposed to be much more comfortable. Just a FYI.

I have the premium strap with the 310XT, it has never slipped, no matter the activity (and it flatters my moobs oh so nicely). Love the data while working out and dig the data at Garmin Connect after even more. Along with running, biking & swimming, I have snow shoveling, snow blowing, snow shoeing and cross country skiing data. Can't wait for spring for mowing the lawn and washing the cars data.

 

[Sand]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that HR monitor to be quite lacking. It reads fine, but is quite uncomfortable. I can wear it for biking, no problem, but for running it won't stay put and is quite a distraction in any case.Garmin does make a "Premium" monitor that is supposed to be much more comfortable. Just a FYI.

Sand maybe you have it too loose? Mine generally stays put without issue.

For biking no problem. For running for me to get it to stay put I have to really tighten it down to the point that it is uncomfortable. Maybe just me, though.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I got in my first lunge workout in quite some time last night.

Last night was my 1st foray in to lunges ever. I did 40 minutes on the bike trainer and then went through 4 separate sets of lunges, push ups and crunches. In general, I don't like them, but can see where they'll pay off. Swam 2,000 yards on Monday and hope to get in 2,500 tonight.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I did my first run with the Garmin 305 today. That thing is awesome!!!!!! I used the default settings and had it set at 8min-10min pace. I love the beeping when I fell out of the pace. It started beeping right away and I now know I start out to fast. It then beeped every time I went to slow, which was more often then I liked. I am really liking this thing. It makes a huge difference knowing your speed instead of guessing. I get the feeling that I had no true idea what my speeds were. I am going to download the software now and see what it does.

When I got my new Garmin a friend of mine sent me an awesome blog post from a guy who put it through the ringer. Turns out he did the same for the 305. Hope you can get some use out of this.

 

[prosopis]

6.5 miles for me today in under an hr. That is a new record for me. In the 70s here.

 

[pmbrown_22]

How does the heart monitor work on the Garmin 305? Is there a strap you put around your chest or something?

Yes, wireless chest strap. Felt a little odd the first time I wore it but now I don't even notice.The heart rate info is also more interesting and useful than I thought it would be, pretty cool.

Maybe it is just me, but I find that HR monitor to be quite lacking. It reads fine, but is quite uncomfortable. I can wear it for biking, no problem, but for running it won't stay put and is quite a distraction in any case.Garmin does make a "Premium" monitor that is supposed to be much more comfortable. Just a FYI.

Sand maybe you have it too loose? Mine generally stays put without issue.

For biking no problem. For running for me to get it to stay put I have to really tighten it down to the point that it is uncomfortable. Maybe just me, though.

I think that I read it in the instructions that if you spit on the back of the monitor it will not slip as much. I tried it a few times, but did not notice any differences. Mine slipped a bunch, but I keep it really tight now so no slipping and I don't even notice it much at all.

 

[pmbrown_22]

Yesterday I did 4 miles on the treadmill. It was supposed to be a lite day and I did not feel like going outside. Today though, I was up at 4:30 to go out and do a 2 mile warm up, 6 x quarter mile hills, and then a 1 mile cool down. I am a bit tired after that, but I am glad to get it done and over with. Now I basically have two days of rest before I do 9 miles on Saturday at race pace and then 19 on Sunday.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I got in my first lunge workout in quite some time last night.

Last night was my 1st foray in to lunges ever. I did 40 minutes on the bike trainer and then went through 4 separate sets of lunges, push ups and crunches. In general, I don't like them, but can see where they'll pay off. Swam 2,000 yards on Monday and hope to get in 2,500 tonight.

How you feeling today 2Young? I'm on the 2nd day after my first lunge routine in quite awhile, and the "pleasant-pain" of yesterday, had progressed to ####ty-pain. Almost every inch of my legs ache, which is a great reminder that I have quite a ways to go to get them strong enough to compete. Prosopsis: Congrat's on the new PR!!!!_________________My update:last night the Mrs. called on her way home from work to let me know she'd be early and that it would be a great day for me to get a ride in (I was hoping with her, but she meant with Heidi = my bike). I didn't have much time, so just did a quick 13 miles at 20.5 pace. It was a little windy, but not nearly as bad as it was for my weekend ride. I passed a gorgeous co-ed on my second mile, and while she was going straight down a long road, I made sure to do loops off the road back to it, to be able to see her again, and also turned around once ahead of her to head back, and got to see her again. While I don't have any pic's, she must have been 20 years old, 5'4"ish, 100 lbs., blonde, and on a Cervelo tri-bike (striking!!). I might need to try and ride at that time every week. Today I only ran for miles, as my legs are incredibly sore from my lunges two nights ago, and I do have a half coming up on Sunday. I did a warm-up mile followed by an 8:20, 7:45 and 7:31 mile. I normally do speed work on Thursdays, and will need to stick to it pretty hard from here forward if I'm going to be able to compete in the duo coming up in just 5 weeks.

 

[tri-man 47]

Tri-Man: Easter is just around the corner, and nothing says resurrection, like a new Garmin!!

tsk, tsk, tsk.But you're saying that a Garmin'll put the 'good' in Good Friday?

Our whole group lives in a development called "Saddle Creek" and we meet at least 3x per week, at one of our friends (both he and his wife are running with us!) outdoor bar for good company at our community purchased Kegerator. We call the bar "Saddle Creek Saloon" and have been calling ourselves The Saddle Creek Club: a "drinking club with a running problem." They don't know it yet, but I signed up for the race with the name "Sal SaddleCreek", which will likely be posted as "SaddleCreek, Sal" in the results.

and I'm envious - you've got your poker gang, and now the community social gatherings. Lunges - . I really feel like I've benefited from keeping this up, along with squats and the yoga, over recent months. I'm now back into my discipline training, which feels great. A couple of repeat two mile run loops the other day at 7:25/mi; an hour in the pool today with 10 x 5 laps @ 4:50-55 per set (steady stroke count and pacing throughout); a couple of 45 sessions on the bike on recent evenings.

 

[Third]

Terrific week for me leading up to the race on Sunday. Was out of town early part of this week...ate like crap, got very little sleep. Main thing for me the rest of the week is to get some sleep and get in a few short, easy runs.

 

[The_Man]

Got a question for you racing veterans. When I signed up for the half I'm doing in a couple weeks, I selected the 8:41-9:00 pace time on my registration. But now I'm planning to run with the 8:12 group.

The web site says: "You will be assigned the corral that corresponds to the estimated pace per mile that you indicated on your registration form. Marathoners and half marathoners will be corralled together, since both the full and half marathon start at 7:00 AM. "

Is that usually strictly enforced, or should I be able just to go to the corral I want to start from on race morning? Kind of worried about trying to fight my way though the pack to catch up to the pace group I'm looking for.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Got a question for you racing veterans. When I signed up for the half I'm doing in a couple weeks, I selected the 8:41-9:00 pace time on my registration. But now I'm planning to run with the 8:12 group.The web site says: "You will be assigned the corral that corresponds to the estimated pace per mile that you indicated on your registration form. Marathoners and half marathoners will be corralled together, since both the full and half marathon start at 7:00 AM. "Is that usually strictly enforced, or should I be able just to go to the corral I want to start from on race morning? Kind of worried about trying to fight my way though the pack to catch up to the pace group I'm looking for.

Which half are you running so we know how many people you are dealing with? I have run in corrals I wasn't assigned to in the past, and don't recall it being "policed". If yo aren't running with too many people, starting further back won't hurt or help you much at all.

 

[The_Man]

Which half are you running so we know how many people you are dealing with? I have run in corrals I wasn't assigned to in the past, and don't recall it being "policed". If yo aren't running with too many people, starting further back won't hurt or help you much at all.

Suntrust National Marathon in DC. They say they're accepting up to 12,000 registrations, which includes relay teams as well as half and full marathoners. Since my race experience is so limited, I really want to be with the pace group from the start. If I'm starting out 30 seconds behind the 8:12 group, I know I'm fully capable (and indeed probably likely) to spaz out and try to catch them in the first mile, thereby exhausting myself and ruining my day.

 

[gruecd]

Which half are you running so we know how many people you are dealing with? I have run in corrals I wasn't assigned to in the past, and don't recall it being "policed". If yo aren't running with too many people, starting further back won't hurt or help you much at all.

Suntrust National Marathon in DC. They say they're accepting up to 12,000 registrations, which includes relay teams as well as half and full marathoners. Since my race experience is so limited, I really want to be with the pace group from the start. If I'm starting out 30 seconds behind the 8:12 group, I know I'm fully capable (and indeed probably likely) to spaz out and try to catch them in the first mile, thereby exhausting myself and ruining my day.

So you were planning on running along with the 3:50 pace team (8:47 average pace) and now you're hoping to run with the 3:35 team (8:12)? Since you don't have to qualify for the corrals, I'd suggest just giving them a call and asking if they can re-assign you. If the bibs haven't already been printed, maybe it'll work. Otherwise, you're probably stuck where you've been assigned. You can usually move back corrals, but not up. Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose of the corral system.

 

[The_Man]

So you were planning on running along with the 3:50 pace team (8:47 average pace) and now you're hoping to run with the 3:35 team (8:12)?

Almost. I was planning on running along with the 3:50 pace team, and now I'm hoping to run with the 3:35 team for the first 7 miles, then leave them in my dust.

Since you don't have to qualify for the corrals, I'd suggest just giving them a call and asking if they can re-assign you. If the bibs haven't already been printed, maybe it'll work. Otherwise, you're probably stuck where you've been assigned. You can usually move back corrals, but not up. Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose of the corral system.

Sounds good -- I emailed them this a.m. and didn't hear anything, which is when I came here for wisdom. I'll call tomorrow. If that doesn't work, I 'll just wear my $6 throwaway sweatshirt (which is another great top I've gotten from this thread) over my bib and try to slide into the "wrong" corral. I can't imagine they're too uptight about it.

 

[pigskinliquors]

So you were planning on running along with the 3:50 pace team (8:47 average pace) and now you're hoping to run with the 3:35 team (8:12)?

Almost. I was planning on running along with the 3:50 pace team, and now I'm hoping to run with the 3:35 team for the first 7 miles, then leave them in my dust.

Since you don't have to qualify for the corrals, I'd suggest just giving them a call and asking if they can re-assign you. If the bibs haven't already been printed, maybe it'll work. Otherwise, you're probably stuck where you've been assigned. You can usually move back corrals, but not up. Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose of the corral system.

Sounds good -- I emailed them this a.m. and didn't hear anything, which is when I came here for wisdom. I'll call tomorrow. If that doesn't work, I 'll just wear my $6 throwaway sweatshirt (which is another great top I've gotten from this thread) over my bib and try to slide into the "wrong" corral. I can't imagine they're too uptight about it.

I moved up at Austin two years ago, and nobody said a word. I just walked into the corral like I knew what I was doing. It is certainly worth a try

 

[wraith5]

I got in my first lunge workout in quite some time last night.

Last night was my 1st foray in to lunges ever. I did 40 minutes on the bike trainer and then went through 4 separate sets of lunges, push ups and crunches. In general, I don't like them, but can see where they'll pay off. Swam 2,000 yards on Monday and hope to get in 2,500 tonight.

How you feeling today 2Young? I'm on the 2nd day after my first lunge routine in quite awhile, and the "pleasant-pain" of yesterday, had progressed to ####ty-pain. Almost every inch of my legs ache, which is a great reminder that I have quite a ways to go to get them strong enough to compete. Prosopsis: Congrat's on the new PR!!!!

Somewhere in this thread, I gave tri-man the finger because of that very same lunge-induced pain. It isn't a good pain at all. I can't imagine starting lunges the same week as a race... Prosopsis - Congratulations x2! I was lazy and slept in this morning, but took off at lunch to do a tempo run in sunny 40 degree temps. 5 miles @ 7:56 pace w/slightly negative splits. I'm already feeling faster than I did in the fall. All I have to do is double that mileage and I'm ready for my 10 mile race in May (79:58 or better is my target).

 

[2Young2BBald]

How you feeling today 2Young? I'm on the 2nd day after my first lunge routine in quite awhile, and the "pleasant-pain" of yesterday, had progressed to ####ty-pain. Almost every inch of my legs ache, which is a great reminder that I have quite a ways to go to get them strong enough to compete.

Strangely fine in my legs, but my abs are screaming from the crunches. I swam last night, which I think helped work out some of the leg funk. Good swim too. I did a ladder of sorts started with a 100 with 50s of 38 & 42 seconds, then did a 200, 300 and 400. The last few 50s of the 300 and 1/2 of the 400 were above 50 seconds, but the rest were below. Then, I did a 1000 and finished with a 500 and kept the average for both of these in the mid 50s, total swim 2,500 yards. I am a bit off on my calendar, so, after 5 very strong days of training in a row I am supposed to take a rest day, but think I can work in the optional core/strength work and do the push ups, lunges and crunches. Getting out of bed should be fun tomorrow.

 

[gruecd]

Hey, everybody. Shook off my cold and managed an easy 6-miler before work this morning. This will probably be my last post until next week sometime, as I'm leaving tomorrow afternoon for Memphis. I'll hang out with my buddy and his fiancée tomorrow night, and then he and I will head to Little Rock on Saturday. Hopefully we'll be able to hook up with The Third for a beer or something.

If I'm able to completely shake this cold between now and then, I'd love to go sub-1:30. That being said, it's a hilly course, and I haven't really tapered, so I don't know if it's do-able.

PMB - Good luck with that 9/19 combo this weekend. That's one badass workout.

wraith - Nice tempo run today.

Catch y'all next week!

 

[tri-man 47]

Somewhere in this thread, I gave tri-man the finger

Yeah, get in line for that ...Hey, you're really cranking out a lot of solid, multi-discipline workouts lately! Hope I can keep up with you in the Palatine trail races.

 

[prosopis]

I went to a spring training game today and drank a lot of beer. No running today.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I went to a spring training game today and drank a lot of beer. No running today.

THAT is my kind of cross-training! Wraith: if I were "racing" instead of "running" I certainly wouldn't have started lunging. I got another short set in last night, and my legs are still pretty fried. 2Young: No pain, no gain! You are likely in better strength shape than I = why you aren't hurting as bad. Gruecd: Have a great race, and have a blast. Hilly course, and no taper = built in excuses if it doesn't go well. Just enjoy the day, as plenty of PR's are in your future.Tri-Man = :finger:

 

[The_Man]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

Prosopsis - Congratulations on back-to-back great days.

Wraith - great to see you back and in such good form.

Gruece and The Third - good luck on the races this weekend.

 

[2Young2BBald]

2Young: No pain, no gain! You are likely in better strength shape than I = why you aren't hurting as bad.

OR, it could be I am just that much closer to the ground and, thus, makes them easier. FWIW, I went for round 2 last night with 5 sets of lunges, push ups & crunches (along with warm up and cool down on this health rider thingy). Just got back from a 5.75 mile running lunch and it felt like I was wearing anvils for shoes. I was supposed to run 50 minutes easy according to the HIM plan I am following & it took me 52 minutes. Splits were right at the 9s where I wanted them, but I could sure feel the effect of the lunges in my legs. Rewarded myself with a HUGE glass of chocolate milk for recovery.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

Now that you have the pace set, what's the plan for eats (Gu, beans, etc) and water (sports drink) in race? I'm a about the planning part and find it helps to lay it out well before.

 

[Sand]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

Maybe it is just me (and maybe by doing this I'm giving you bad luck), but I think you can be faster than you think. The low 1:40s looks to be within your capabilities. I'm looking at your times here and noting that they are very similar to what I can do. If you can hold 7:16 for 3 miles I bet you can hold 7:40-7:45 for 13.1, particularly in a race setting (I'm always surprised how much faster I am on race day). Cruise through 5, glide up the hill, HTFU through 7, and slam it home. My long runs were about the same as yours and I did get pretty darn tired around mile 11. For me, anyway, that was when the music got turned on and I really concentrated on keeping good form to try and keep the speed up.I look forward to a report after you're done - good luck!Just don't do what I did and try to follow the chick with the hot ### (who was running sub 7s) for the first mile or so!

 

[Sand]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

Now that you have the pace set, what's the plan for eats (Gu, beans, etc) and water (sports drink) in race? I'm a about the planning part and find it helps to lay it out well before.

I guess the question is whether he really needs much nutrition for a race he will finish in under 1:45? That seems to be on the line for folks as to whether grazing during the run is needed. I ended up eating a bit on the start line so I didn't have to carry anything and worry about eating on the course.Do the experienced folks here eat during a HM? I probably asked that before mine, but I'm still trying to figure that crap out, too.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

Now that you have the pace set, what's the plan for eats (Gu, beans, etc) and water (sports drink) in race? I'm a about the planning part and find it helps to lay it out well before.

I guess the question is whether he really needs much nutrition for a race he will finish in under 1:45? That seems to be on the line for folks as to whether grazing during the run is needed. I ended up eating a bit on the start line so I didn't have to carry anything and worry about eating on the course.Do the experienced folks here eat during a HM? I probably asked that before mine, but I'm still trying to figure that crap out, too.

Absolutely and like clockwork, but that is me. Beans (I am not a Gu fan) right before the gan and again between miles 6 & 7ish depending on where the water is. I carry a spare and more often than not, its down around mile 10.

 

[Third]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

Now that you have the pace set, what's the plan for eats (Gu, beans, etc) and water (sports drink) in race? I'm a about the planning part and find it helps to lay it out well before.

I guess the question is whether he really needs much nutrition for a race he will finish in under 1:45? That seems to be on the line for folks as to whether grazing during the run is needed. I ended up eating a bit on the start line so I didn't have to carry anything and worry about eating on the course.Do the experienced folks here eat during a HM? I probably asked that before mine, but I'm still trying to figure that crap out, too.

I'm not experienced, but I don't plan on eating at all during my HM this weekend. I normally don't even drink during a 10-12 mile training run, so I might grab water a time or two, but in my limited experience, doesn't seem like an eating plan is really necessary for 13.

 

[wraith5]

Somewhere in this thread, I gave tri-man the finger

Yeah, get in line for that ...Hey, you're really cranking out a lot of solid, multi-discipline workouts lately! Hope I can keep up with you in the Palatine trail races.

I'd like to think I was the first... at you keeping up with me. If I can keep up with you for most of the race this time around I'll be very pleased!! (Recall the 8k last time around, 1/2 way through I was about to pass out and you were chatting away like we were sitting at Starbucks!!)

Seriously thank you though - I feel like I'm starting to find a nice groove for covering all the bases I want. I can't hit all of them hard every week, but I'm hitting 2 or 3 consistently now.

50 minutes on the bike this morning for me. I'm hoping the "warmer" temps and sunshine will clear the bike trails for me tomorrow...

Gruecd, The Third and PSL - Good Luck this weekend!! (anyone else racing/running races?)

Oh Sand - :finger: for you for the fact that my heart-rate monitor kept slipping during my tempo run yesterday. Somehow that has to be your fault...

 

[pigskinliquors]

2Young: thanks for the reminder for food! I hadn't thought about it until now, but we'll likely take 2 hours for this doggone thing, and I'd better bring something. I have taken one gu at the halfway point of my two twelve mile runs, but might need at least 2 for me, and quite a few others for the group. Right now it looks like the only "no-show" of the group is going to be my Mrs. With her po-po training (PT every day), she hasn't done ANY running more than 3 miles, though their workouts have been pretty brutal (lots of kettlebell stuff!). This means we have a sitter for ALL of the kids at least, and a guaranteed cheering section coming in.

At a minimum it's going to be great time racing with friends and in our local town (been here ten years, and am embarrassed to say I have never done a local road race )!!! There is one fairly steep section of the race (it's where I do my cycling hill repeats), which will be really interesting with this group, because none of them have done ANY training on anything that even remotely resembles a hill.

 

[The_Man]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

Maybe it is just me (and maybe by doing this I'm giving you bad luck), but I think you can be faster than you think. The low 1:40s looks to be within your capabilities. I'm looking at your times here and noting that they are very similar to what I can do. If you can hold 7:16 for 3 miles I bet you can hold 7:40-7:45 for 13.1, particularly in a race setting (I'm always surprised how much faster I am on race day). Cruise through 5, glide up the hill, HTFU through 7, and slam it home. My long runs were about the same as yours and I did get pretty darn tired around mile 11. For me, anyway, that was when the music got turned on and I really concentrated on keeping good form to try and keep the speed up.I look forward to a report after you're done - good luck!

Just don't do what I did and try to follow the chick with the hot ### (who was running sub 7s) for the first mile or so!

Thanks! My goal is 1:45:00. While I have a feeling you might be right that a faster time could be possible, I don't want to F up my first half-marathon after all this training by going out too fast and then dying on the way home. The only other race I've done since November 1984 was a 5K last September. My stretch goal was 22:00 (7:05 pace). I ran the first mile in 6:40, second mile in 7:20, and I think I still might be walking up the last hill to the finish line.

My last two 5-mile runs have been at 7:47 and 7:42. I think I could do that for another 1-2 miles, but doubt I could go the full 13. I felt hardly winded after doing 10 miles at an 8:09 pace but am pretty spent after 5 miles at 7:45. To keep me from spazzing out at the start, I am planning to go with the 8:12 group for the first 3 miles, try to catch up to the 8:00 group by mile 8 (which would mean running at about a 7:53 for miles 3-8) and then try to leave them behind from there. But chances are good that I will run like a maniac for the first 2-3 miles of the race and forget all these plans.

I'm not a big GU or water drinker during my runs, so I don't think that will change during the race. Planning to eat one GU before I start, take water at Mile 5 right when the big climb starts, and then GU and/or water at Mile 7 at the end of the big climb (I also plan to drink one or two cups of coffee and drop a deuce before leaving home for the race, as that is also a part of my daily pre-run routine).

 

[wraith5]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

Maybe it is just me (and maybe by doing this I'm giving you bad luck), but I think you can be faster than you think. The low 1:40s looks to be within your capabilities. I'm looking at your times here and noting that they are very similar to what I can do. If you can hold 7:16 for 3 miles I bet you can hold 7:40-7:45 for 13.1, particularly in a race setting (I'm always surprised how much faster I am on race day). Cruise through 5, glide up the hill, HTFU through 7, and slam it home. My long runs were about the same as yours and I did get pretty darn tired around mile 11. For me, anyway, that was when the music got turned on and I really concentrated on keeping good form to try and keep the speed up.I look forward to a report after you're done - good luck!

Just don't do what I did and try to follow the chick with the hot ### (who was running sub 7s) for the first mile or so!

Thanks! My goal is 1:45:00. While I have a feeling you might be right that a faster time could be possible, I don't want to F up my first half-marathon after all this training by going out too fast and then dying on the way home. The only other race I've done since November 1984 was a 5K last September. My stretch goal was 22:00 (7:05 pace). I ran the first mile in 6:40, second mile in 7:20, and I think I still might be walking up the last hill to the finish line.

My last two 5-mile runs have been at 7:47 and 7:42. I think I could do that for another 1-2 miles, but doubt I could go the full 13. I felt hardly winded after doing 10 miles at an 8:09 pace but am pretty spent after 5 miles at 7:45. To keep me from spazzing out at the start, I am planning to go with the 8:12 group for the first 3 miles, try to catch up to the 8:00 group by mile 8 (which would mean running at about a 7:53 for miles 3-8) and then try to leave them behind from there. But chances are good that I will run like a maniac for the first 2-3 miles of the race and forget all these plans.

I'm not a big GU or water drinker during my runs, so I don't think that will change during the race. Planning to eat one GU before I start, take water at Mile 5 right when the big climb starts, and then GU and/or water at Mile 7 at the end of the big climb (I also plan to drink one or two cups of coffee and drop a deuce before leaving home for the race, as that is also a part of my daily pre-run routine).

Good Luck!!!

 

[2Young2BBald]

I'm hoping the "warmer" temps and sunshine will clear the bike trails for me tomorrow...

That is my plan too. I have to swap the pedals from the tri bike to the road bike tonight to be ready to go in the morning. I scouted part of my ride route on today's run and there is too much loose gravel and other crap in the road to roll out the tri bike.To all this weekend's racers, GOOD LUCK. I swear, it is like someone flicked a switch and it is get your ### outside and run/race/ride time and it could not have come sooner.PSL, as special good luck to you. I have had a blast pack running with slower runners lately, but it comes at a cost when you look down at the Garmin and cringe at the speed you are loping at. Funny thing is, I can't wait to do it more (in small doses). One nice byproduct, I've found I sleep real well the night of the "for fun" races compared to most.

 

[tri-man 47]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

I'm confident you'll be fine. If you can sustain a steady pace and rhythm for 5 to 10 miles, going 13 won't be that much different ...if you control your pace. The race environment will add excitement and motivation, which should offset the effect of the additional miles. Just watch that pace - use a pace group; mentally plan a song that fits a comfortable pace/stride; monitor your breathing to ensure that it's comfortable; talk to folks around you through the first mile until you get to that first mile time. Enjoying a little get-away weekend outside of Chicago this weekend with the wifey ...should be able to get in a couple of runs while also just relaxing ( ) and stopping up the road for a bit of casino action (we'll see if my core training helps to sustain me standing at the craps table).

Looking forward to race reports!!!

 

[Sand]

Got myself reassigned to the 7:46-8:15 pace bracket. Time to put up or shut up! So I did a three-mile tempo run this morning, with a 7:16 overall pace, which is smoking fast for me.

After doing 10 miles the last two Sundays, stepping up to 11 this weekend. Looking forward to it -- as I've been upping the length of my long runs, it seems that I'm not getting any more tired or sore at the increased distances. Once I hit a groove after 2 or 3 miles and maintain a steady tempo, I'm finding that I feel pretty much the same at 5 or 8 miles as I do after 10. So now I'm interested to see if I can sustain that feeling for 13 miles, or if there's a gremlin waiting out there for me at 11 or 12 miles.

Maybe it is just me (and maybe by doing this I'm giving you bad luck), but I think you can be faster than you think. The low 1:40s looks to be within your capabilities. I'm looking at your times here and noting that they are very similar to what I can do. If you can hold 7:16 for 3 miles I bet you can hold 7:40-7:45 for 13.1, particularly in a race setting (I'm always surprised how much faster I am on race day). Cruise through 5, glide up the hill, HTFU through 7, and slam it home. My long runs were about the same as yours and I did get pretty darn tired around mile 11. For me, anyway, that was when the music got turned on and I really concentrated on keeping good form to try and keep the speed up.I look forward to a report after you're done - good luck!

Just don't do what I did and try to follow the chick with the hot ### (who was running sub 7s) for the first mile or so!

Thanks! My goal is 1:45:00. While I have a feeling you might be right that a faster time could be possible, I don't want to F up my first half-marathon after all this training by going out too fast and then dying on the way home. The only other race I've done since November 1984 was a 5K last September. My stretch goal was 22:00 (7:05 pace). I ran the first mile in 6:40, second mile in 7:20, and I think I still might be walking up the last hill to the finish line.

My last two 5-mile runs have been at 7:47 and 7:42. I think I could do that for another 1-2 miles, but doubt I could go the full 13. I felt hardly winded after doing 10 miles at an 8:09 pace but am pretty spent after 5 miles at 7:45. To keep me from spazzing out at the start, I am planning to go with the 8:12 group for the first 3 miles, try to catch up to the 8:00 group by mile 8 (which would mean running at about a 7:53 for miles 3-8) and then try to leave them behind from there. But chances are good that I will run like a maniac for the first 2-3 miles of the race and forget all these plans.

I'm not a big GU or water drinker during my runs, so I don't think that will change during the race. Planning to eat one GU before I start, take water at Mile 5 right when the big climb starts, and then GU and/or water at Mile 7 at the end of the big climb (I also plan to drink one or two cups of coffee and drop a deuce before leaving home for the race, as that is also a part of my daily pre-run routine).

Awesome - I hope you get your goal. Given your race was like mine I would definitely find a groove for the first 5 miles so the uphill doesn't leave you drained. After 7, though, start doing what you can and leave it all out there.Just remember - if you throw up before the finish line you went too hard. If you throw up after you finish you didn't go hard enough. Aim at throwing up on the finish line.

 

[Sand]

Gruecd, The Third and PSL - Good Luck this weekend!! (anyone else racing/running races?)

I'm running a 5k tomorrow. I'm aiming for 19:59. Either that or I crawl over the finish line. I'm running it just to support the people doing the race, so it isn't an A race. I'm just going to blast out of the starting gate and see how far I can go at that kind of pace.

Oh Sand - :finger: for you for the fact that my heart-rate monitor kept slipping during my tempo run yesterday. Somehow that has to be your fault...

Now I feel like part of the club. Maybe not uber-cool like Tri-man, but at least a hangers-on who is semi-tolerated. I have been a pretty good slacker on working out, but did get in a 2k swim tonight. I don't know what got into me tonight, but I knocked off a 200 tempo type swim in 2:41 at the start and finished up with a 400 in 5:45. I crushed it tonight.

 

[gruecd]

Hey, you guys. One of my RWOL buddies put together this video. Non-runners probably wouldn't get it, but I found it hilarious. Enjoy.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6222971/

Sand - Good luck in your "5K marathon." (You'll get it after you watch the video.)

The Third - Maybe I''ll see you this afternoon in Little Rock.

 

[gruecd]

Do the experienced folks here eat during a HM? I probably asked that before mine, but I'm still trying to figure that crap out, too.

Yeah, I typically take a Gu around mile 6. But I know a lot of guys don't. Whatever works.

 

[prosopis]

Hey, you guys. One of my RWOL buddies put together this video. Non-runners probably wouldn't get it, but I found it hilarious. Enjoy.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6222971/

Sand - Good luck in your "5K marathon." (You'll get it after you watch the video.)

The Third - Maybe I''ll see you this afternoon in Little Rock.

I laughed.

 

[Keggers]

Do the experienced folks here eat during a HM? I probably asked that before mine, but I'm still trying to figure that crap out, too.

Yeah, I typically take a Gu around mile 6. But I know a lot of guys don't. Whatever works.

I take a Gu between miles 5-7...depends on where the water stations are.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Probably headed to the gym this afternoon for some biking. My hamstring is still acting up a little (injured it on Tuesday) so I want to give it a few more day's rest before I try running on it.