Bought a Groupon for 60 day unlimited Yoga classes at a local place less than a mile from home and am doing my first class tonight. I bought the thing to force myself to concentrate on flexibility and core strength. I am miserably inflexible and can just barely touch my toes when doing a basic stretch. I talked to one of the instructors and described what I want to achieve (and that I run and do the triathlon thing). She said "oh, if you are competitive and like a challenge, you can skip basic and move right in to the more advanced classes" and signed me up for a Budokon Flow class tonight. Having no idea what I was getting in to, I said "great, see you tonight". After, I Googled up some videos of Budokon Flow and I am ####ed. I am going to make a complete ### out of myself. Anyone have thoughts on what I am in for?
eta: My biggest fear with a yoga class? When I stretch and do some amateur yoga at home, it often makes me pass gas. And all in all, I'd be happy just to get my heels on the ground during a downward dog.PainBought a Groupon for 60 day unlimited Yoga classes at a local place less than a mile from home and am doing my first class tonight. I bought the thing to force myself to concentrate on flexibility and core strength. I am miserably inflexible and can just barely touch my toes when doing a basic stretch. I talked to one of the instructors and described what I want to achieve (and that I run and do the triathlon thing). She said "oh, if you are competitive and like a challenge, you can skip basic and move right in to the more advanced classes" and signed me up for a Budokon Flow class tonight. Having no idea what I was getting in to, I said "great, see you tonight". After, I Googled up some videos of Budokon Flow and I am ####ed. I am going to make a complete ### out of myself. Anyone have thoughts on what I am in for?
When you are right, you are right. But, I did keep up and was able to "do" everything that Angelina threw at me
and don't think this was over my head all that much. During some of the extended sets (or whatever they are called) my arms were shaking like a ##### and I proved just how inflexible I am. During the downward dog thingy I could not get the heels of my feet to touch the floor. My wrists and pecs are sore, but but legs feel surprisingly good. I can see how this can benefit me and I am going to try and keep after it. If I can move tomorrow, I am going to try Vinyasa, as it looks a bit easier than what I did today. They have a more difficult version of what I did today on Saturday. The competitive me thinks I should give it a shot. Finally, other than the instructor, I have to admit I was disappointed with the talent level of the other woman in the class. They were all very fit, but nothing really stunning. Based on everything I've heard, yoga classes are supposed to be about almost naked supermodel types, right?Read this after I posted my recap. I was worried I'd let a fart slip, but made it though fart-free.Bought a Groupon for 60 day unlimited Yoga classes at a local place less than a mile from home and am doing my first class tonight. I bought the thing to force myself to concentrate on flexibility and core strength. I am miserably inflexible and can just barely touch my toes when doing a basic stretch. I talked to one of the instructors and described what I want to achieve (and that I run and do the triathlon thing). She said "oh, if you are competitive and like a challenge, you can skip basic and move right in to the more advanced classes" and signed me up for a Budokon Flow class tonight. Having no idea what I was getting in to, I said "great, see you tonight". After, I Googled up some videos of Budokon Flow and I am ####ed. I am going to make a complete ### out of myself. Anyone have thoughts on what I am in for?
eta: My biggest fear with a yoga class? When I stretch and do some amateur yoga at home, it often makes me pass gas. And all in all, I'd be happy just to get my heels on the ground during a downward dog.
Oh hello.
Good for you, glad to hear all went well. I missed the part where you said you could "barely touch your toes". That's not miserably inflexible, that's ready for an advanced yoga class. When I started Pilates, I was so inflexible that my hands were much closer to my knees than my toes when I tried to touch toes. Granted I'd pulled both hammies, but still....touching your toes with straight legs is legit. Kudos. You'll get tons out of Yoga. I cannot recommend Pilates, Yoga, and deep tissue massage any more strongly. Pilates saved my bacon when I had a busted arm, and now that I'm getting good range of motion, the total body strengthening and increased flexibility are awesome.PainBought a Groupon for 60 day unlimited Yoga classes at a local place less than a mile from home and am doing my first class tonight. I bought the thing to force myself to concentrate on flexibility and core strength. I am miserably inflexible and can just barely touch my toes when doing a basic stretch. I talked to one of the instructors and described what I want to achieve (and that I run and do the triathlon thing). She said "oh, if you are competitive and like a challenge, you can skip basic and move right in to the more advanced classes" and signed me up for a Budokon Flow class tonight. Having no idea what I was getting in to, I said "great, see you tonight". After, I Googled up some videos of Budokon Flow and I am ####ed. I am going to make a complete ### out of myself. Anyone have thoughts on what I am in for?
When you are right, you are right. But, I did keep up and was able to "do" everything that Angelina threw at me
and don't think this was over my head all that much. During some of the extended sets (or whatever they are called) my arms were shaking like a ##### and I proved just how inflexible I am. During the downward dog thingy I could not get the heels of my feet to touch the floor. My wrists and pecs are sore, but but legs feel surprisingly good. I can see how this can benefit me and I am going to try and keep after it. If I can move tomorrow, I am going to try Vinyasa, as it looks a bit easier than what I did today. They have a more difficult version of what I did today on Saturday. The competitive me thinks I should give it a shot. Finally, other than the instructor, I have to admit I was disappointed with the talent level of the other woman in the class. They were all very fit, but nothing really stunning. Based on everything I've heard, yoga classes are supposed to be about almost naked supermodel types, right?
Me too.Bought a Groupon for 60 day unlimited Yoga classes at a local place less than a mile from home and am doing my first class tonight. I bought the thing to force myself to concentrate on flexibility and core strength. I am miserably inflexible and can just barely touch my toes when doing a basic stretch. I talked to one of the instructors and described what I want to achieve (and that I run and do the triathlon thing). She said "oh, if you are competitive and like a challenge, you can skip basic and move right in to the more advanced classes" and signed me up for a Budokon Flow class tonight. Having no idea what I was getting in to, I said "great, see you tonight". After, I Googled up some videos of Budokon Flow and I am ####ed. I am going to make a complete ### out of myself. Anyone have thoughts on what I am in for?
eta: My biggest fear with a yoga class? When I stretch and do some amateur yoga at home, it often makes me pass gas.
And all in all, I'd be happy just to get my heels on the ground during a downward dog.

Got it. Awesome. Now I understand.Hi, SteelCurtain. I'm off to a massage appointment, so I'll try to elaborate more later, but both interval workouts and tempo workouts are types of speed workouts. An example of an interval workout would be "8 x 800M with 90-second jogs in between." You run the 800s at 5K pace. A tempo workout, on the other hand, is a continuous, sustained effort at a little bit slower pace. For example, "7 miles with 4 tempo." You would do a 2-mile warmup, then do 4 miles at 15K to half marathon pace, and then a mile cool-down.I hope this helps.I just started getting Runner's World and I need a quick help with definitions.
Can someone explain the difference between Speed Workout, Interval Workout and Tempo Workout? The terms are interspersed throughout the magazine and in this thread and I realize I don't know the difference. (perhaps some of them mean one in the same?)
Thanks.
Ditto that. Not sure I would be able do any bending or twisting having to sit in a class with that.-------------------------Ned said:Oh hello.2Young2BBald said:
"Tempo pace" is usually something between 10K or HM pace. Think "comfortably hard," the kind of pace you could maintain for a long time but it's not easy to carry on a conversation while you're doing it. It's significantly slower than 5K pace but significantly faster than marathon pace.SteelCurtain said:Stupid question....is tempo usually at race pace (depending on what you are training for -- 5K to Marathon or whatever in between.) Could the tempo even be faster than race pace?
Pretty much what Ivan said. I think 10K pace would be a little fast, but I'd say somewhere between 15K and HM pace would be about right. So yes, assuming you're training for a marathon or even a half marathon (in which case your tempo pace should gravitate towards the faster end of that range), tempo will be faster than race pace. Intervals are even faster; think 5K pace.To give you an idea, let's say my GMP is 6:53. Tempo pace is somewhere between 6:15 and 6:31, and intervals are right around 6:00. IMHO, the hardest workout I do is the "dreaded" 12-mile run with 7 tempo.SteelCurtain said:Stupid question....is tempo usually at race pace (depending on what you are training for -- 5K to Marathon or whatever in between.) Could the tempo even be faster than race pace? Or is intervals the only time you train faster than race pace?
I'm trying to let my IT band settle down so I'm trying to absorb all this training stuff so I can optimize while not injuring myself. With all this snow, I go out and snowblow and I notice how tender the IT band is the next day.......I don't want to ruin my summer, so I'm probably looking at another 4 weeks on the shelf (after doing nothing for 3+ weeks already.) Of course, I'll be skiing moguls for the first time this weekend, so we'll see how that goes.
Thanks again for the advice.
BTW -- I put my name in for the NYC Marathon. Its a lottery (and I read somewhere that only about 10% get picked). If I don't get picked, I'll probably do a much smaller marathon more local (day trip).
), it was cold - wind chill of about 15F.Bentley Today, 1:30pmFor a broken arm and three cracked vertebra, do you guys recommend seeing the surgeon first, or an orthopedist? Any home remedies? Thanks.As y'all probably know, I'm a native Texan. So, I've never run in the snow. But we had an inch of snow plus ice overnight last night so we're emergency personnel only today. My first thought was to grab my running stuff so I could get a snow run in at lunch. Wish me luck.
Bentley Today, 1:30pmFor a broken arm and three cracked vertebra, do you guys recommend seeing the surgeon first, or an orthopedist? Any home remedies? Thanks.As y'all probably know, I'm a native Texan. So, I've never run in the snow. But we had an inch of snow plus ice overnight last night so we're emergency personnel only today. My first thought was to grab my running stuff so I could get a snow run in at lunch. Wish me luck.

Bentley Today, 1:30pmFor a broken arm and three cracked vertebra, do you guys recommend seeing the surgeon first, or an orthopedist? Any home remedies? Thanks.As y'all probably know, I'm a native Texan. So, I've never run in the snow. But we had an inch of snow plus ice overnight last night so we're emergency personnel only today. My first thought was to grab my running stuff so I could get a snow run in at lunch. Wish me luck.![]()

Good stuff here. Thanks!Pretty much what Ivan said. I think 10K pace would be a little fast, but I'd say somewhere between 15K and HM pace would be about right. So yes, assuming you're training for a marathon or even a half marathon (in which case your tempo pace should gravitate towards the faster end of that range), tempo will be faster than race pace. Intervals are even faster; think 5K pace.To give you an idea, let's say my GMP is 6:53. Tempo pace is somewhere between 6:15 and 6:31, and intervals are right around 6:00. IMHO, the hardest workout I do is the "dreaded" 12-mile run with 7 tempo.SteelCurtain said:Stupid question....is tempo usually at race pace (depending on what you are training for -- 5K to Marathon or whatever in between.) Could the tempo even be faster than race pace? Or is intervals the only time you train faster than race pace?
I'm trying to let my IT band settle down so I'm trying to absorb all this training stuff so I can optimize while not injuring myself. With all this snow, I go out and snowblow and I notice how tender the IT band is the next day.......I don't want to ruin my summer, so I'm probably looking at another 4 weeks on the shelf (after doing nothing for 3+ weeks already.) Of course, I'll be skiing moguls for the first time this weekend, so we'll see how that goes.
Thanks again for the advice.
BTW -- I put my name in for the NYC Marathon. Its a lottery (and I read somewhere that only about 10% get picked). If I don't get picked, I'll probably do a much smaller marathon more local (day trip).
P.S. Foam rollers are the shiznit for ITB injuries. Skiing moguls probably isn't the best idea, either, but you probably already know that.![]()
I got three in today over lunch and felt the same way. It was a balmy 25 degrees so I thought I'd go outside; turns out that running on snow covered paths really slows you down. The slowness might also be from the fact that I haven't run more than 3 miles since October... BTW - This is a great thread! I've never really checked it out but I'll have to check in more as I train for another tri/half/full marathon.Another slow 3 for me today and felt OK. Kinda hard to feel really good or really bad on these slow runs, but I guess that's the point. Eh?
Because I have a large laptop and almost broke my arm turning the damn thing upside down to get a good look at her.Why are there not more pics of Angelina?
Because I have a large laptop and almost broke my arm turning the damn thing upside down to get a good look at her.Why are there not more pics of Angelina?
I was back there this evening to try Vinyasa. It kicked my ### even more, but I think it is much more suited for what I am looking for. The owner was doing the instructing and I was really impressed. She took her time with newbies like me. After back to back days, my legs were shaking like crazy while holding some of the poses for long periods of time. Angelina has a class tomorrow, but I think I may take a break for a day and get in a bike/run brick.Give Yoga a shot. Personally, I think it's the perfect cross-training for runners with the added flexibility benefit. I've gone from vehemently hating yoga to being a big fan. It's still hard, but I can see the benefits of it. Some days my legs feel like I've had a massage when I'm done with a session.Maybe I should try the yoga also?3 miles this morning in 31:07, I took it easy and didn't push too much. It was perfect weather today, 61 and cloudy, running while the sun came up. I will check out the clips of LR later today.
ummmmmmm I have been banned for less here.tri-man 47 said:I got four woodies over the course of two summers, actually, and I've enjoyed them all. Wraith saw me get my woodies

Both good.Anyone have a take on the Movie Without Limits? I am planning on doing a 2 hour trainer ride this afternoon and am looking for something to watch on Netflix. I hate seeing movies in theaters, so I am clueless about movies in general.
ETA, how about Spirit of the Marathon?
ETA: Other running-related flicks in my Instant Queue:
I agree and recommend taking classes. After only two, I can see just how wrong I was doing the DVDs and ones on Comcast On Demand. I was intimidated a bit the first day, but felt much more comfortable yesterday (and there were 25 people in the class). I even liked the mediation at the end (which I thought was a bunch of crap on the DVDs). Like Ned said above, it was like several areas were massaged by the motions.Give Yoga a shot. Personally, I think it's the perfect cross-training for runners with the added flexibility benefit. I've gone from vehemently hating yoga to being a big fan. It's still hard, but I can see the benefits of it. Some days my legs feel like I've had a massage when I'm done with a session.Maybe I should try the yoga also?3 miles this morning in 31:07, I took it easy and didn't push too much. It was perfect weather today, 61 and cloudy, running while the sun came up. I will check out the clips of LR later today.
Both good.Anyone have a take on the Movie Without Limits? I am planning on doing a 2 hour trainer ride this afternoon and am looking for something to watch on Netflix. I hate seeing movies in theaters, so I am clueless about movies in general.
ETA, how about Spirit of the Marathon?ETA: Other running-related flicks in my Instant Queue:
Saint Ralph
Chariots of Fire
Run for Your Life (Fred Lebow biography)
Prefontaine
Might have a change of plans. We are supposed to get about 3" of snow this afternoon. I have a Play It Again sports Groupon and have wanted to buy snow shoes (versus renting them each time), so I may go buy a pair and snowshoe instead. Its good to have options!To be honest, I'd be terrified to take a class. I'm still terrible at it.I agree and recommend taking classes. After only two, I can see just how wrong I was doing the DVDs and ones on Comcast On Demand. I was intimidated a bit the first day, but felt much more comfortable yesterday (and there were 25 people in the class). I even liked the mediation at the end (which I thought was a bunch of crap on the DVDs). Like Ned said above, it was like several areas were massaged by the motions.Give Yoga a shot. Personally, I think it's the perfect cross-training for runners with the added flexibility benefit. I've gone from vehemently hating yoga to being a big fan. It's still hard, but I can see the benefits of it. Some days my legs feel like I've had a massage when I'm done with a session.Maybe I should try the yoga also?3 miles this morning in 31:07, I took it easy and didn't push too much. It was perfect weather today, 61 and cloudy, running while the sun came up. I will check out the clips of LR later today.
That is how I felt on Thursday, seriously have been less nervous before the swim start of tris. Yesterday, my legs were shaking, I fell over twice trying to hold poses, etc, but never felt weird about it. I have some piriformis issues on my left side and had tried the pigeon pose on my own from what I saw in Triathlete Magazine. Doing the pose last night I botched it completely. The instructor put me in the right position and the feeling was amazing and feels great today. I am thinking about doing a Yin class tomorrow which focus on holding the poses longer to really stretch things out.To be honest, I'd be terrified to take a class. I'm still terrible at it.I agree and recommend taking classes. After only two, I can see just how wrong I was doing the DVDs and ones on Comcast On Demand. I was intimidated a bit the first day, but felt much more comfortable yesterday (and there were 25 people in the class). I even liked the mediation at the end (which I thought was a bunch of crap on the DVDs). Like Ned said above, it was like several areas were massaged by the motions.Give Yoga a shot. Personally, I think it's the perfect cross-training for runners with the added flexibility benefit. I've gone from vehemently hating yoga to being a big fan. It's still hard, but I can see the benefits of it. Some days my legs feel like I've had a massage when I'm done with a session.Maybe I should try the yoga also?3 miles this morning in 31:07, I took it easy and didn't push too much. It was perfect weather today, 61 and cloudy, running while the sun came up. I will check out the clips of LR later today.
I found a local place that charges about 10 bucks a session when buying 10 at a time. They also do deep tissue massages, I never had one so I probably need one.That is how I felt on Thursday, seriously have been less nervous before the swim start of tris. Yesterday, my legs were shaking, I fell over twice trying to hold poses, etc, but never felt weird about it. I have some piriformis issues on my left side and had tried the pigeon pose on my own from what I saw in Triathlete Magazine. Doing the pose last night I botched it completely. The instructor put me in the right position and the feeling was amazing and feels great today. I am thinking about doing a Yin class tomorrow which focus on holding the poses longer to really stretch things out.To be honest, I'd be terrified to take a class. I'm still terrible at it.I agree and recommend taking classes. After only two, I can see just how wrong I was doing the DVDs and ones on Comcast On Demand. I was intimidated a bit the first day, but felt much more comfortable yesterday (and there were 25 people in the class). I even liked the mediation at the end (which I thought was a bunch of crap on the DVDs). Like Ned said above, it was like several areas were massaged by the motions.Give Yoga a shot. Personally, I think it's the perfect cross-training for runners with the added flexibility benefit. I've gone from vehemently hating yoga to being a big fan. It's still hard, but I can see the benefits of it. Some days my legs feel like I've had a massage when I'm done with a session.Maybe I should try the yoga also?3 miles this morning in 31:07, I took it easy and didn't push too much. It was perfect weather today, 61 and cloudy, running while the sun came up. I will check out the clips of LR later today.
Did a 4 mile snowshoe in around 1:20 in a pretty good snowstorm. Seems awfully slow, but it was a hell of a workout for the legs and core. Passed a guy about 10 times that was running on the paved trail that was sort of clear in the park where is was. We had a similar quick conversation, only I said "this sure beats the hell out of the treadmill, doesn't it?".Despite the miserable conditions today (34 and rain), I had a fantastic 6mi @ GMP today. It was one of those days where I felt in total control. Around the 3mi mark I saw another guy running the opposite direction. As we pass eachother we had a quick exchange yelling across the street:Guy - "We're crazy, aren't we?!?!" Me - "Thank god I'm not the only one!"For whatever dorky reason, that motivated the hell out of me. I ended up clocking in a tad bit faster than I would've liked - 8:59 but it came rather easy. Should've been around 9:10, but not too bad considering my lack of pacing skills.
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That's great, prosopis! Have you started to notice that when you do a run of "only" 3 or 4 miles, you do it with a lot of confidence and maybe more speed?I did 9 miles today and increased my avg pace by about 20 seconds while the hr remained the same. I am feeling the improvement![]()
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Yes I have noticed that but I work hard at maintaining the pace my 1/2 training dictates. I am curious about doing another 5k to see how much speed improvement I have. I really really like the structure of a training plan. It is exactly what I needed.That's great, prosopis! Have you started to notice that when you do a run of "only" 3 or 4 miles, you do it with a lot of confidence and maybe more speed?I did 9 miles today and increased my avg pace by about 20 seconds while the hr remained the same. I am feeling the improvement![]()
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I bought a pair of zoot compression sleeves and the elastic has given way. When I wear them I can't get the to stay up where needed.Got an email today about a 2XU Compression Gear sale on eBay and just picked up another set of calf guards. Here are the details, if the paste doesn't work, shoot me a PM if you want the email.