Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

[lumpy19]

Ned - I hear you about the temps. While Boston was ideal (low 40's start, mid-50's finish, tailwind), it was warmer than all of my training. I took fluids at almost every mile, but I think it was still an adjustment to the winter weather and cold mornings of late. Hopefully you'll get a cool day!

I got a good taste of the big temp changes yesterday. 84 degrees, sunny and no wind = total melt down. I did 10 yesterday and was curious how I'd make out with the sudden 25 degree upswing. The temps didn't disappoint. I was hot the entire time and came completely unraveled around mile 8. God help me if we get this kind of heat on race day.

I'm starting to worry about the same thing. I think the warmest temperature I've had on any of my intermeidate or long runs this cycle has been about 50. Most of these runs have been done in the 30s or below. I don't know that my body would respond well if it ended up getting into the 70s on race day (5/21).

I don't have an answer for this but I do know that personally I can bang out an hour long run in the winter without hydration. In the summer on the same hour long run on the same course I have to wear my camelbak at pretty much any temp over ~65. I also make the switch from running hat to headband in the summer.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I seem to remember reading in runners world that anything over 60 degrees and you should slow down by 2.5% for every 5 degrees until it gets ridiculously hot.

This calculator http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html is based on Jack Daniels' book and seems a little more optimistic.

One thing that none of these calculators factor in is the humidity which is just as bad (if not worse) than the heat.

Ned, according to the calculator you should have been able to run 8:20s which is insane if you ask me.

Galloway is a little more realistic with his charts:

Estimated temperature at finish...Slower than goal pace

55-60 degrees.....1%

60-65 degrees.....3%

65-70 degrees.....5%

70-75 degrees.....7%

75-80 degrees.....12%

80-85 degrees.....20%

above 85.....forget it, run for fun

According to Galloway, you should be in the 9:30 range

Its all really based on how you are feeling in my opinion.

Unless it's Florida hot, I don't think the heat will really affect you in a 5K or 10K but I wouldn't want to be running a marathon with temps in the 70s

84 degrees is waaaaay too hot to be doing long runs. Didn't they cancel the Chicago Marathon when it got into the 80s?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Heat is one thing, humidity is a meaner and uglier beast. It's the Rosie O'Donnell of runner's enemies. Any posted expectations of how heat/humidity effect you are pretty inaccurate as heat/humidity have different effects on all of us. I use heart rate as my guide. I do all I can to forget pace 100% and only train to my HR for each run as it gets hot. I set a HR goal for the end of each mile, and do all that I can to stay below it. Once I'm over it, I either slow down to a snail's pace or walk until I'm below. A typical "hard" 8 mile run for me will have HR goals something like this:

Mile 1: 155

2: 160

3: 165

4: 170

5: 173

6: 176

7: 179

8: 182

My HR typically escalates quicker in the first few miles, than gets steady UNLESS there it's hot/humid = it continues to increase.

 

[Ned]

I seem to remember reading in runners world that anything over 60 degrees and you should slow down by 2.5% for every 5 degrees until it gets ridiculously hot.

This calculator http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html is based on Jack Daniels' book and seems a little more optimistic.

One thing that none of these calculators factor in is the humidity which is just as bad (if not worse) than the heat.

Ned, according to the calculator you should have been able to run 8:20s which is insane if you ask me.

Galloway is a little more realistic with his charts:

Estimated temperature at finish...Slower than goal pace

55-60 degrees.....1%

60-65 degrees.....3%

65-70 degrees.....5%

70-75 degrees.....7%

75-80 degrees.....12%

80-85 degrees.....20%

above 85.....forget it, run for fun

According to Galloway, you should be in the 9:30 range

Its all really based on how you are feeling in my opinion.

Unless it's Florida hot, I don't think the heat will really affect you in a 5K or 10K but I wouldn't want to be running a marathon with temps in the 70s

84 degrees is waaaaay too hot to be doing long runs. Didn't they cancel the Chicago Marathon when it got into the 80s?

That is awesome info Peter. Thanks for that. I completely agree with your opinion also. 5K/10K I wouldn't worry too much either, but that 10mi was rough. I remember making the turn back home at 9.0 or so and physically feeling the heat pouring out the neck of my shirt. With no wind, it felt like a hair dryer was blowing up my back/chest and engulfing my head/face. Zero exaggeration. Also to lumpy's point, I don't fuel up on anything shorter than 12 these days. So I didn't have anything yesterday, which was probably a mistake.

 

[Ned]

Heat is one thing, humidity is a meaner and uglier beast. It's the Rosie O'Donnell of runner's enemies. Any posted expectations of how heat/humidity effect you are pretty inaccurate as heat/humidity have different effects on all of us. I use heart rate as my guide. I do all I can to forget pace 100% and only train to my HR for each run as it gets hot. I set a HR goal for the end of each mile, and do all that I can to stay below it. Once I'm over it, I either slow down to a snail's pace or walk until I'm below. A typical "hard" 8 mile run for me will have HR goals something like this:Mile 1: 1552: 1603: 1654: 1705: 1736: 1767: 1798: 182My HR typically escalates quicker in the first few miles, than gets steady UNLESS there it's hot/humid = it continues to increase.

I'll have to check my data at lunch, but first thing I noticed was my HR was a good 15 BPM higher than normal the entire time. I knew I was in for some hurtin', but couldn't convince myself to slow down enough. I'll probably pay for yesterday the rest of this week.

 

[Ned]

Sorry I'm taking this whole page up with my nonsense

I learned a pretty good lesson between yesterday and today. Hopefully someone else will learn from my knucklehead ways and listen to their bodies when it gets hot out.

I did my lunch time 5 and looked over my Garmin data while sitting in a meeting and was floored at the differences. Today was easy. Almost too easy. I fully expected it to suck, but I felt great.

Comparing my HR numbers from yesterday to today shows just how much of an effect a 26 degree difference has on your body:

04/20/11 - 84 degrees, sunny, no wind, about 50% humidity = Avg HR of 164 with Max HR of 178 @ 9:30 pace

04/21/11 - 58 degrees, sunny, 20-30 mph wind, 38% humidity = Avg HR of 142 with Max HR of 154 @ 9:30 pace

Granted today was 5 instead of 10, but there's no way I would've sniffed those HR numbers if I did another 10 today.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also to lumpy's point, I don't fuel up on anything shorter than 12 these days. So I didn't have anything yesterday, which was probably a mistake.

During the fall/spring/winter, I'll do a 12 mile out-and-back with nothing and not give it a second thought as I'm heading out the door. That's pushing it as far as hydration goes, but I can get by with nothing at that distance. During the summer, there's no way I would try that. Once it gets warm, I have to stick to reasonably short loops.

 

[tri-man 47]

Tri, your disappointing race is amazing considering most FBG's can only dream to live as long as you have

Um, thanks? Actually, the disappointment is very slight. My original "A" goal was 3:38:30 just because the splits were nicely rounded and easier to remember. With official numbers now out, I see I finished in the top 30% of my age group ..at Boston! No regrets with that. In a Runner's World thread on Wellesley vs. BC, I had commented on the BC crowd support I got. Two other runners responded that they must have been by me since they remember the raucous cheering for "Wally" (and someone in a "Sam I am" shirt behind me). Love that BC crowd! Interesting recollection on the race, too, is that I had a few spots where I really didn't know exactly which mile I was on ...I was just running and enjoying. Live long and prosper. :funnyhandsignal:

 

[Darrinll40]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

 

[Ned]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

 

[sho nuff]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

I have wondered at times if its the difference between road and treadmill or the temps I have been running in.The room the treadmill is in tends to run warmer than the 72 the house is set at in the warmer months like now. I sweat a lot on it and need water.

When I run outside I seem to go further than inside without water and it seems harder to slow down to the treadmill pace.

 

[Darrinll40]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

I have wondered at times if its the difference between road and treadmill or the temps I have been running in.The room the treadmill is in tends to run warmer than the 72 the house is set at in the warmer months like now. I sweat a lot on it and need water.

When I run outside I seem to go further than inside without water and it seems harder to slow down to the treadmill pace.

I loathe treadmill runs and would rather declare a rest day than ever do that again. No matter what the temp of the room I am always hotter than running outside. Plus, since I have no tm at home, I have to do it at the gym. I really don't like gym smell. The great thing about running outside even in the heat is the breeze, and the sense of actually going somewhere.

 

[Darrinll40]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

Thanks Ned. I can't wait until I am running 10 -15 miles in July-September heat. If I do the marathon the 20 miler is scheduled for the first week of November, it will probably be in the low 80's toward the end of that run.

 

[Ned]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

Thanks Ned. I can't wait until I am running 10 -15 miles in July-September heat. When I do the marathon the 20 miler is scheduled for the first week of November, it will probably be in the low 80's toward the end of that run.

That 20 will be a great day.

 

[The Duff Man]

Found out the 10k my wife signed me up for tomorrow is actually a 10 miler. Oops.

My longest run is 8 miles. I have been doing 6 pretty easily the last couple of weeks and I am confident I can do the 10, walking a bit if I have to.

But I am leaving for vacation on Tuesday (10 year anniversary) and the last thing I want is an injury because I push myself tomorrow. I'll save that for next week

So I am going to do the 5k with her instead.

 

[sho nuff]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

I have wondered at times if its the difference between road and treadmill or the temps I have been running in.The room the treadmill is in tends to run warmer than the 72 the house is set at in the warmer months like now. I sweat a lot on it and need water.

When I run outside I seem to go further than inside without water and it seems harder to slow down to the treadmill pace.

I loathe treadmill runs and would rather declare a rest day than ever do that again. No matter what the temp of the room I am always hotter than running outside. Plus, since I have no tm at home, I have to do it at the gym. I really don't like gym smell. The great thing about running outside even in the heat is the breeze, and the sense of actually going somewhere.

I agree with that on gym treadmills.Having one at home is nice...having a wife whose company paid for half of it is even better.

I don't mind it here. Get my tunes running through the speakers on it, fan blowing, TV going with some sort of game...though, NBA tonight...NCAA tournament time was great for it.

A big part of it is probably that I don't get to running during the week until about 9pm after the kids are in bed.

 

[sho nuff]

And the 72 in the house may feel much better than the crap we will get come summer time.

I might flip it then...run outside more at night even in the dark and run on the TM on weekends when I don't get out earlier in the day.

 

[sho nuff]

WOW!!!

So, how many of you Boston guys ran home after it was over?

 

[Ned]

WOW!!!

So, how many of you Boston guys ran home after it was over?

he's insane.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

Thanks Ned. I can't wait until I am running 10 -15 miles in July-September heat. If I do the marathon the 20 miler is scheduled for the first week of November, it will probably be in the low 80's toward the end of that run.

Be careful what you wish for. Long runs in 80+ degree temps are harder than they sound, especially if there's any humidity. It isn't just a matter of HingTFU and plowing through the distance. It's extremely easy to end up with heat exhaustion in those kinds of conditions, and I don't think your fitness level does much to protect you against this. You might want to try to log some of those miles in the early morning before the sun comes up, or at night. Morning is better since it's cooler than the evening.Duff Man -- It's probably too late, but if you can do eight miles comfortably, you're pretty safe doing a 10 mile race.

 

[tri-man 47]

Duff Man - I agree with IK. The race environment will help to keep you moving (if you stay under control at the start).

--

Marathon race pics are out ...with unintentional race stalking!

http://www.marathonfoto.com/index.cfm?action=site.login&RaceOID=12902011S1&LastName=WALSTRA&BibNumber=16520&spMAILINGID=36518524&spUserID=ODAwNzIwMTYzMgS2&spJOBID=99685709&spREPORTID=OTk2ODU3MDkS1

Pink Amy on the right is excited to be running with tri-man, and while crossing the blue halfway mat, the young lady in white in the bottom right corner raises her hand to vote for her own excitement. Couldn't they try to take a few pics earlier in the race when I was smiling and having fun??

 

[Darrinll40]

ok, so it didn't hit mid 90's as forecast, the temp only got to 88. But the humidity was low for Florida, 41%.

But I got in my 3 miles in 29:30. I could run a little later in the evening and get more shade and lower temps, but if I train when it is hot and sunny, my real runs will be that much easier. I did drink 10oz if water on the back half, and 10 as soon as I stopped. I can't wait for Kentucky in October, it had better be cool.

Thanks Ned. I can't wait until I am running 10 -15 miles in July-September heat. If I do the marathon the 20 miler is scheduled for the first week of November, it will probably be in the low 80's toward the end of that run.

Be careful what you wish for. Long runs in 80+ degree temps are harder than they sound, especially if there's any humidity. It isn't just a matter of HingTFU and plowing through the distance. It's extremely easy to end up with heat exhaustion in those kinds of conditions, and I don't think your fitness level does much to protect you against this. You might want to try to log some of those miles in the early morning before the sun comes up, or at night. Morning is better since it's cooler than the evening.

Duff Man -- It's probably too late, but if you can do eight miles comfortably, you're pretty safe doing a 10 mile race.

Oh, the 20 miler will definitely be started pre-dawn, but since I am slow, and it is 20 miles, there is no way I will be done before the heat starts in. But you never know in Florida, there may be a cold front blowing through that week and I may actually be cold. Probably not, but here's hoping.

 

[Darrinll40]

Duff Man - I agree with IK. The race environment will help to keep you moving (if you stay under control at the start).--Marathon race pics are out ...with unintentional race stalking!http://www.marathonfoto.com/index.cfm?action=site.login&RaceOID=12902011S1&LastName=WALSTRA&BibNumber=16520&spMAILINGID=36518524&spUserID=ODAwNzIwMTYzMgS2&spJOBID=99685709&spREPORTID=OTk2ODU3MDkS1Pink Amy on the right is excited to be running with tri-man, and while crossing the blue halfway mat, the young lady in white in the bottom right corner raises her hand to vote for her own excitement. Couldn't they try to take a few pics earlier in the race when I was smiling and having fun??

GO AMY.

 

[Darrinll40]

Meant to do 6 miles this morning but I went a little long, 6.07. It was 65 when I went out and the humidity was 98%, but it was the best 6 miler to date. I even managed mostly negative splits, the second mile was too fast, and a sub 10 minute 6th mile.

I wore the water belt again though I didn't take any until I was finished. It seems to help keep the lose skin from slapping, which not only stops the annoying slapping noise, it stops my back from aching.

All in all a good run, now I can sit on my ### the rest of the day.

Everyone have a great Saturday.

 

[tri-man 47]

I did 3 easy miles today after some walking/jogging yesterday. I'd say I'm 95% ...just a bit of soreness in one quad. The ladies I work with had given me a post-race goodie bag: A 'right on Hereford; left on Boylston' Boston shirt, a similar bumper magnet, and a coupon for a 1 hour Chinese foot massage. I went for the massage yesterday - it was really quite a complete massage, though not much on the upper legs. Nothing says post-Boston like a middle-aged Chinese man tickling my feet. NTTAWWT.

Allow me one more post-race observation: In the clarity of hindsight, I thought I had my PR. The math said 8:13/mile would be 3:35. I recall my thinking that as my pace slipped and stabilized around 8:23/mile very late in the race, I figured 10 seconds/mile x 30 miles (conservatively) was 300 seconds=5 minutes, or 3:40. I didn't think to include the extra distance, which added a couple of extra minutes. Nevertheless ...

 

[FBG26]

Doing all three phases of the Tri this weekend just to see how each leg goes individually.

Did a 1500 yard swim last night in about 45 minutes. I was a little embarrassed by the 13/14 year old kid next to me who was probably swimming twice as fast but hey, I'm not trying to set any speed records here. Got a 6.5 mile run in this morning this morning at almost exactly one hour for a nice 9:15 pace. Going to do the 25 mile bike tomorrow morning before heading to the Easter service.

I've felt great after each leg thus far and have 7 weeks until the Tri is actually here. I love spring!

 

[SteelCurtain]

Did an easy 5.40 miles at 8:40/mile pace. I didn't feel very energetic, but got it done.

Hoping to do a quick 3 today but its raining right now and don't feel like going out. :lazy: :afraidIwillmelt:

 

[Dexter]

I tried running without socks for the first time, it did not go well.

The plan was to do 4.5 miles (3 loops in my sub). First 2 miles it was great next mile sucked because I started to get a blister on my right foot and the skin was rubbing off on my left heel so the decision was to stop or power through. I stopped because I want to run tomorrow, this time with socks.

Maybe running without socks isn't for me. I was wearing Newtons what are made to run without them... I dunno I guess like everything else I need to build up the skin on my feet.

 

[Ned]

Meant to do 6 miles this morning but I went a little long, 6.07. It was 65 when I went out and the humidity was 98%, but it was the best 6 miler to date. I even managed mostly negative splits, the second mile was too fast, and a sub 10 minute 6th mile. I wore the water belt again though I didn't take any until I was finished. It seems to help keep the lose skin from slapping, which not only stops the annoying slapping noise, it stops my back from aching. All in all a good run, now I can sit on my ### the rest of the day.Everyone have a great Saturday.

I had similar conditions this morning after a big storm blew through. I had 10 @ GMP on the calendar and I had a blast. It's still amazing to me how drastically the temps can affect you. I did the same exact route where I blew up on Wednesday and had a totally different experience. I finished averaging 8:54 and felt like I ran 5, not 10. So refreshing. What a difference a few degress makes:04/20/11 - 84 degrees, sunny, no wind, about 50% humidity = Avg HR of 164 with Max HR of 178 @ 9:30 pace04/23/11 - 56 degrees, cloudy, no wind, 92% humidity = Avg HR of 155 with Max HR of 165 @ 8:54 pace

 

[sho nuff]

Went out for 6 this morning...got close to 6 and decided to go 6.55...so about half of the half marthon. Did it in 1: 09. Felt great for the first run ive done over 4 miles in a while.

 

[Darrinll40]

Went out for 6 this morning...got close to 6 and decided to go 6.55...so about half of the half marthon. Did it in 1: 09. Felt great for the first run ive done over 4 miles in a while.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Did an easy 5.40 miles at 8:40/mile pace. I didn't feel very energetic, but got it done. Hoping to do a quick 3 today but its raining right now and don't feel like going out. :lazy: :afraidIwillmelt:

I did the 5.40 miles yesterday......So, the rain stopped and I got motivated to get out there.I was hoping to do negative splits over 3 miles. My goal was 8:30 for mile 1, 8:00 for mile 2, and 7:30 for mile 3.Once I got out there (conditions were perfect, 51 degrees, cloudy, slight wind), I had to try to hold back and realized that I could run faster.My splits were:Mile 1 - 8:15Mile 2 - 7:53Mile 3 - 7:16I was pushing pretty hard in the last mile. Overall, very pleased.....but there's no way I could have done it in 80 degrees.Thinking about doing a longer run tomorrow (7-8 miles) but the legs are pretty tired.

 

[Ned]

Did an easy 5.40 miles at 8:40/mile pace. I didn't feel very energetic, but got it done. Hoping to do a quick 3 today but its raining right now and don't feel like going out. :lazy: :afraidIwillmelt:

I did the 5.40 miles yesterday......So, the rain stopped and I got motivated to get out there.I was hoping to do negative splits over 3 miles. My goal was 8:30 for mile 1, 8:00 for mile 2, and 7:30 for mile 3.Once I got out there (conditions were perfect, 51 degrees, cloudy, slight wind), I had to try to hold back and realized that I could run faster.My splits were:Mile 1 - 8:15Mile 2 - 7:53Mile 3 - 7:16I was pushing pretty hard in the last mile. Overall, very pleased.....but there's no way I could have done it in 80 degrees.Thinking about doing a longer run tomorrow (7-8 miles) but the legs are pretty tired.

Great third mile!

 

[Darrinll40]

After running in the high 80's last week, I went out to do some yard work today. It was the same temp, but amazingly I was very comfortable. I felt so good I spent an hour and a half digging out an extension to my garden. My yard is all sand here and I have to dig out the sand and replace it with real dirt.

Just 3 easy miles tomorrow morning, then after lunch more digging.

 

[prosopis]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.

I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

 

[Darrinll40]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

Sorry, not me. Unless my intestines are coming through my stomach wall, I don't worry about it.

 

[Darrinll40]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

I found these. http://www.yourdiagnosis.com/http://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/But if you have an issue and you don't see a doctor, I recommend this one:http://mentalhealth.about.com/od/problems/Mental_Illness_Mental_Disorders.htm Just kidding

 

[SteelCurtain]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

Whenever I have pain, I google description of the pain and add running/runner and a list of sites come up that have common running injuries.

 

[prosopis]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

Whenever I have pain, I google description of the pain and add running/runner and a list of sites come up that have common running injuries.

My choices coming up are ITB problem or sciatica nerve. Here is my problem and I have had these symptoms for months. I had them through all of my 1/2 marathon training and I just worked through it. I have pain in left glute,knee,hip, and upper leg. The pain is not constant but is there often. I can easily cross my right leg over my left when sitting but there is no way I can cross my left over the right. At work i have to wear shoe covers. When sitting I can bring my right foot up to my knee and slip on a shoe cover. I can not do this with my left leg. When getting out of bed I have to be very careful on how I roll and stand up or it is excruciating pain for the left hip area. The same goes for the sexy time, I get excruciating pain if I dont "dismount" just right. If I turn suddenly I can get the shooting pain left hip. I have been able to run through this but it is starting to really bother me. Anyone here have any thoughts? I could go to a doctor if I had to but I have a very high deductible so I try to avoid going. Basically my insurance is good for when I get hit by a truck but not so good for stuff like this.I would say that before all of these symptoms i had a lot of ankle pain and I would limp for an hour or so after first waking up. That has gone away. I now walk gingerly in am due to my hip pain.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Do any of you guys have a go to site for self diagnosis of injuries? I know the answer is to see a doctor but times are what they are and I am all for self treatment. There has to be some self diagnosing tool out there.I have been googling but I have not found what I want.

Whenever I have pain, I google description of the pain and add running/runner and a list of sites come up that have common running injuries.

My choices coming up are ITB problem or sciatica nerve. Here is my problem and I have had these symptoms for months. I had them through all of my 1/2 marathon training and I just worked through it. I have pain in left glute,knee,hip, and upper leg. The pain is not constant but is there often. I can easily cross my right leg over my left when sitting but there is no way I can cross my left over the right. At work i have to wear shoe covers. When sitting I can bring my right foot up to my knee and slip on a shoe cover. I can not do this with my left leg. When getting out of bed I have to be very careful on how I roll and stand up or it is excruciating pain for the left hip area. The same goes for the sexy time, I get excruciating pain if I dont "dismount" just right. If I turn suddenly I can get the shooting pain left hip. I have been able to run through this but it is starting to really bother me. Anyone here have any thoughts? I could go to a doctor if I had to but I have a very high deductible so I try to avoid going. Basically my insurance is good for when I get hit by a truck but not so good for stuff like this.I would say that before all of these symptoms i had a lot of ankle pain and I would limp for an hour or so after first waking up. That has gone away. I now walk gingerly in am due to my hip pain.

Oof. Seems like you got a lot going on. I'd work on resting, icing, elevating for a week or two and seeing if it makes a difference. If it doesn't, then probably time to hit the doctor. **I'm not a medical professional.**

 

[SteelCurtain]

Did an easy 5.40 miles at 8:40/mile pace. I didn't feel very energetic, but got it done. Hoping to do a quick 3 today but its raining right now and don't feel like going out. :lazy: :afraidIwillmelt:

I did the 5.40 miles yesterday......So, the rain stopped and I got motivated to get out there.I was hoping to do negative splits over 3 miles. My goal was 8:30 for mile 1, 8:00 for mile 2, and 7:30 for mile 3.Once I got out there (conditions were perfect, 51 degrees, cloudy, slight wind), I had to try to hold back and realized that I could run faster.My splits were:Mile 1 - 8:15Mile 2 - 7:53Mile 3 - 7:16I was pushing pretty hard in the last mile. Overall, very pleased.....but there's no way I could have done it in 80 degrees.Thinking about doing a longer run tomorrow (7-8 miles) but the legs are pretty tired.

Great third mile!

Did my long run today. Did 7 miles with mile splits for miles 1-6 of anywhere between 8:28 & 8:34. Decided to push a bit in the last mile and did it in 8:16 but my legs were gassed. Also, ran in 70 degree weather. Wow. It was warm and I sweat alot!

 

[Ned]

Did my long run today. Did 7 miles with mile splits for miles 1-6 of anywhere between 8:28 & 8:34. Decided to push a bit in the last mile and did it in 8:16 but my legs were gassed. Also, ran in 70 degree weather. Wow. It was warm and I sweat alot!

Wow that's a solid run in this weather. It's funny how 70 is so hot right now when three months from now we will be begging for 70!I had my final 20 miler today and it destroyed me thanks to the heat. I left the house at 9:30 and it was already 65 degrees and muggy as hell. Learning from my debacle on Wednesday I took it extra slow and carried extra water with me. Long story short I fell apart at 17 and had to run/walk the last 3. When I got home it was 80 degrees out and sunny. I had so much fun I weigh myself before and after these long runs to watch my water loss. Today was the most by far. From 191.8 to 184.6. I don't know what is considered dangerous but that spooked me. That was after taking roughly 100 oz between the camelback and post run Gatorade and water.

 

[Darrinll40]

Sounds like a successful run despite the heat and I will assume that you continued to hydrate through the day.

I did 3 this morning and it was 66 with 100% humidity at 6:30. I am so used to running in Florida heat that if actually felt cool to me this morning.

Not looking forward to Tuesday after work.

When it gets to July and August I will probably have to break out my camelbak again, though I hate running with it on my back.

 

[Sand]

I weigh myself before and after these long runs to watch my water loss. Today was the most by far. From 191.8 to 184.6. I don't know what is considered dangerous but that spooked me. That was after taking roughly 100 oz between the camelback and post run Gatorade and water.

Your performance is affected at about 2% water loss, but it takes quite a bit to really cause problems. I lost 11 lbs. in one run last summer (171 to 160) and that really did hit hard. I don't think you were in danger of anything health wise.----On my end I had a good hard 34 mile ride on Saturday. Set some new power benchmarks on my critical power curve - always a cause for celebration (yes, this is ). Did a 10 mile easy ride and 4 mile run with the wife today. Wanted to do 10 today, but blew that off to play with the kids.

 

[Ned]

I weigh myself before and after these long runs to watch my water loss. Today was the most by far. From 191.8 to 184.6. I don't know what is considered dangerous but that spooked me. That was after taking roughly 100 oz between the camelback and post run Gatorade and water.

Your performance is affected at about 2% water loss, but it takes quite a bit to really cause problems. I lost 11 lbs. in one run last summer (171 to 160) and that really did hit hard. I don't think you were in danger of anything health wise.----On my end I had a good hard 34 mile ride on Saturday. Set some new power benchmarks on my critical power curve - always a cause for celebration (yes, this is ). Did a 10 mile easy ride and 4 mile run with the wife today. Wanted to do 10 today, but blew that off to play with the kids.

6% loss??? Holy crap I bet that was fun.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

I ran my farthest to date - 3.6 miles. Started out aiming for 3, then about half way through decided to go a little farther. Felt really good (especially after Easter dinner and getting zapped by the heat earlier this week like a lot of you guys).

 

[FBG26]

Doing all three phases of the Tri this weekend just to see how each leg goes individually. Did a 1500 yard swim last night in about 45 minutes. I was a little embarrassed by the 13/14 year old kid next to me who was probably swimming twice as fast but hey, I'm not trying to set any speed records here. Got a 6.5 mile run in this morning this morning at almost exactly one hour for a nice 9:15 pace. Going to do the 25 mile bike tomorrow morning before heading to the Easter service. I've felt great after each leg thus far and have 7 weeks until the Tri is actually here. I love spring!

Decided to do the 25m bike ride yesterday afternoon. Going into a 25mph wind sucks but the ride home was super fast. Today was the first truly beautiful weather we've had in a LONG while (60, sunny, very light breeze) so I decided to go for a short run. Meant to do about 4ish but felt so good I kept going. Ended up doing 8 miles in 70 minutes for about 8:45 min/miles. 2.7 @ 8:501.4 @ 8:401.0 @ 9:12 (slowed down a bit going up a big hill)1.4 @ 8:441.0 @ 8:370.6 @ 8:07

 

[Sand]

I weigh myself before and after these long runs to watch my water loss. Today was the most by far. From 191.8 to 184.6. I don't know what is considered dangerous but that spooked me. That was after taking roughly 100 oz between the camelback and post run Gatorade and water.

Your performance is affected at about 2% water loss, but it takes quite a bit to really cause problems. I lost 11 lbs. in one run last summer (171 to 160) and that really did hit hard. I don't think you were in danger of anything health wise.----On my end I had a good hard 34 mile ride on Saturday. Set some new power benchmarks on my critical power curve - always a cause for celebration (yes, this is ). Did a 10 mile easy ride and 4 mile run with the wife today. Wanted to do 10 today, but blew that off to play with the kids.

6% loss??? Holy crap I bet that was fun.

Least fun run I think I have done. I was a dumb### for trying a 10 mile out and back in the weather I did. I was actually leaving wet footprints on the cement - there was no rain or water around. Pure sweat just pouring out of my shoes. I got a camelbak for Christmas and will use it this year.

 

[tri-man 47]

Prosopis - another option for non-medical advice would be to get a (free) ID at the Runner's World site, then post your injury description to an appropriate forum. I'd bet you get some good ideas. (To get the crowd to warm up to you as a newbie, it might be wise in your orginal post to say that some regular posters suggested you stop in for some assistance.)

 

[Ned]

I weigh myself before and after these long runs to watch my water loss. Today was the most by far. From 191.8 to 184.6. I don't know what is considered dangerous but that spooked me. That was after taking roughly 100 oz between the camelback and post run Gatorade and water.

Your performance is affected at about 2% water loss, but it takes quite a bit to really cause problems. I lost 11 lbs. in one run last summer (171 to 160) and that really did hit hard. I don't think you were in danger of anything health wise.----On my end I had a good hard 34 mile ride on Saturday. Set some new power benchmarks on my critical power curve - always a cause for celebration (yes, this is ). Did a 10 mile easy ride and 4 mile run with the wife today. Wanted to do 10 today, but blew that off to play with the kids.

6% loss??? Holy crap I bet that was fun.

Least fun run I think I have done. I was a dumb### for trying a 10 mile out and back in the weather I did. I was actually leaving wet footprints on the cement - there was no rain or water around. Pure sweat just pouring out of my shoes. I got a camelbak for Christmas and will use it this year.

I love the camelback, but my only gripe is its a heat trap on your back. I was taking it off during my walk breaks to get a little relief.