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yeah, but, what pace?is there a magic cutoff where a time is no longer considered "slow"?'prosopis said:'sho nuff said:Here too.'beer 302 said:'mr. furley said:what's considered "slow"?
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If you could comfortably walk faster than you're running, that's slow.yeah, but, what pace?is there a magic cutoff where a time is no longer considered "slow"?'prosopis said:'sho nuff said:Here too.'beer 302 said:'mr. furley said:what's considered "slow"?
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I typically run mid to low 8's as fast for me. Mid to high 9's "feel" slow. Went for a run with my daughter a few days ago & we were doing 11ish pace when not walking. That felt incredibly slow to me, didn't break a sweat & had to put on gloves & a headband to stay warm. That's me.Obviously different for everyone but as I recall you're pretty quick Furley, yes? I would guess for the guys that typically run in the 7's, a high 8 minute pace would feel "slow". Sadly I will never knowIf you could comfortably walk faster than you're running, that's slow.yeah, but, what pace?is there a magic cutoff where a time is no longer considered "slow"?'prosopis said:'sho nuff said:Here too.'beer 302 said:'mr. furley said:what's considered "slow"?
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i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
Exactly, it's all relative. Throw in terrain - road vs trail, flat vs hilly - and it becomes even more so, even for the same runner. I think just about everybody else is fast. Of course a lot of fast runners couldn't come out with me and just keep slowly chugging along the trails for 6 hours, which is the kind of running that motivates me, while others are inspired by working to shave seconds off their 5K times. Just do what you do, furley.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
Koby.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
Yeah screw that guy!Koby.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"

No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
It is all relative. I would consider low 9s fast. Grue probly considers that a fast walk.Darn good posting. Fwiw, i would prefer to do the multiple hour runs too, but time doesn't currently permit.Exactly, it's all relative. Throw in terrain - road vs trail, flat vs hilly - and it becomes even more so, even for the same runner. I think just about everybody else is fast. Of course a lot of fast runners couldn't come out with me and just keep slowly chugging along the trails for 6 hours, which is the kind of running that motivates me, while others are inspired by working to shave seconds off their 5K times. Just do what you do, furley.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
True, but I've also found it helpful to stay motivated by trying to 'compete' with some of the guys in here. Doubt I ever come close to the raw # of miles as some in here, but I'd be lying if 'Ned,' 'Grue', and 'The Duck' don't pop in my head towards the end of my 7, 8, 9 mile jaunts. I don't think I'll ever compete with them in distance races, but their work is fresh in my mind and my shorter distance training benefits. Followed up yesterday's surprise interval 5 with an easy 5 today - chose a main street route to avoid so many unshoveled sidewalks today.One thing I've found, mostly from this thread, is don't try to compare your times to other guys. You'll get humbled quickly and really, for no good reason. Run against your past with an eye on your future. If you have a group you run with that are in your running range the fine but don't get caught up on how fast you are compared to someone else.
Yeah screw that guy!Koby.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
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Yeah screw that guy!Koby.No reason to do so. "Fast" and "slow" are both dependent on who's doing the talking. I look at guys like Grue and Jux and FUBAR as unbelievably fast, but I'm sure each of them has other folks that they look at at and say "damn that guy's fast."i'm down in the low 9s but i keep reading that that's "slow"
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Yep, I'd be lying if I said I don't have a group of guys I watch for times posted. Nothing wrong with some healthy competition amongst us girls.'MAC_32 said:True, but I've also found it helpful to stay motivated by trying to 'compete' with some of the guys in here. Doubt I ever come close to the raw # of miles as some in here, but I'd be lying if 'Ned,' 'Grue', and 'The Duck' don't pop in my head towards the end of my 7, 8, 9 mile jaunts. I don't think I'll ever compete with them in distance races, but their work is fresh in my mind and my shorter distance training benefits. Followed up yesterday's surprise interval 5 with an easy 5 today - chose a main street route to avoid so many unshoveled sidewalks today.'beer 302 said:One thing I've found, mostly from this thread, is don't try to compare your times to other guys. You'll get humbled quickly and really, for no good reason. Run against your past with an eye on your future. If you have a group you run with that are in your running range the fine but don't get caught up on how fast you are compared to someone else.
) and want to be at 163 or so. I hate looking at Strava segments knowing I could be 10% faster just by not being a fat tub of lard. Oh, and run 1000 miles. I only did 550 last year and want to try and be consistently putting in 20 mile weeks. Just plod away and get a great base going for the late summer races. (And, as a special bonus, make BnB and PSL cry like little girls during BS&G.
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nothing local in January but there's one in early February that i'm eyeballingI added a 2013 tab on the FFA race calendar. Let's get this thing going! My link
I'm racing next weekend. Anyone else doing a cold January race?
Hopefully you have survived the ownership change. 'Man up' for the next couple of days and see what develops! Nice workout, pro. Great to see that kind of speed work. See if you can build up more reps (8, 10, 12 ..) and/or more speed as you get used to them. It will be interesting to compare your interval times 360 days from now!2Young - yes, timely article! I have always found much enjoyment looping back to cheer on the back half of 5K races - lots of folks completing their first race, running the race non-stop for the first time, or learning how to shift gears for the last quarter mile. Those runners carry a ton of pride as they finish up. Then again, I'm amused at some of the old-man support I get (used to get) in the tri's as the young whipper-snappers with their fancy wheels come zipping by.I did total of 5 miles today. Did 5x400 @ 8:00 pace and the rest was a slow recovery jog. Also hit the weights. I did this before work today so I was in the gym at 5:00am. I usually start work at 5:30 but I was told to come in at 8:00.
Company I work for was sold and taken over by new over lords. Worst day ever seeing people leaving crying. I seem to be safe but I am more then a little nervous. Change is always rough for me and I am not liking the changes I see. I am just glad I seem to have made through the first wave. Thankful to still have a job but at the same time I dont want to go in tomorrow. It is certainly a nut up time for me.![]()
And so it continues into 2013. . .I did 6 miles on Wednesday with 8x400 @ 8:15ish pace mixed in and then off to the gym. Unfortunately I took today off to sleep in as I'm feeling like I'm on the verge of catching something and I'm trying not to. For some reason sleep is my remedy when I feel like I'm coming down with something.Good to hear you made the first cut, having been bought and sold twice so far my advice would be to continue to do what you do as well as do. There is a reason you are still there. Second, don't give them a reason to let you go and conversely, make them want to keep you. If you don't add value during a change of ownership you're out. Good luck brother, I know you've got more on your side than skillI did total of 5 miles today. Did 5x400 @ 8:00 pace and the rest was a slow recovery jog. Also hit the weights. I did this before work today so I was in the gym at 5:00am. I usually start work at 5:30 but I was told to come in at 8:00.Company I work for was sold and taken over by new over lords. Worst day ever seeing people leaving crying. I seem to be safe but I am more then a little nervous. Change is always rough for me and I am not liking the changes I see. I am just glad I seem to have made through the first wave. Thankful to still have a job but at the same time I dont want to go in tomorrow. It is certainly a nut up time for me.![]()
Good to see ya back.Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
Fighting the almost daily winds these days. 20mph wind with I don't know what it's gusting to... I'd rather have the humid July runs than this crap. Yesterday - 2,000yd swim + 1 hour Sufferfest on the trainer.Today - easy 5 miler at 8:30 perTomorrow - 60 mile ride with all the Cat rated roadies.Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
Hoping to get in 12-16 tomorrow depending on how I feel. Missed a few days this week and I really need to start getting in some LR's.Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
6 miles today in the first below-zero wind chills of the season ..not too bad, though. A new addition to my winter gear is some rather thick wrist bands (from one of the Bourbon Chase locales), which seems to really help keep the hands warm (I always wear gloves).Hopefully double-digit runs on both Saturday and Sunday as I try to push the mileage back up. This time last year I was wrapping up a couple of 50 mile weeks in Sydney, and that mileage really helped. Temps notwithstanding, at least the days are now starting to lengthen again. And ...still no snow in Chicago this winter. Crazy.What's everyone else doing?
I hear you - my hands stay cold. Though about taking them out for my run today (45F, much nicer than what you have right now).6 miles today in the first below-zero wind chills of the season ..not too bad, though. A new addition to my winter gear is some rather thick wrist bands (from one of the Bourbon Chase locales), which seems to really help keep the hands warm (I always wear gloves).What's everyone else doing?
Getting in 8 or so in the morning...if I still don't feel like complete crap.Then taking down all the Christmas Crap...then drinking some Spotted Cow imported from my trip to Wisconsin and watching the Packers.Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
Opened the new year with 5 interval miles, easy 3 yesterday, with my weight routine sandwiched between. Hoping to get out tonight for an easy 5 mile run after the wife and kids go to bed, but if not I'll double up tomorrow - run in the morning, lift in the afternoon. Supposed to warm up here next week so I may do some longer distances then.Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
Yesterday - 6.2M, negative splitToday - 500 pushups, 500 abs mixTomorrow - 13.1M time trialSunday - RestWhat's everyone else doing?
Always make sure my cold gear is wrapped over my gloves, just to make sure there's no outlet for the cold to get in. Similar story with my feet - one pair of socks, tuck cold gear into them, then wear a bigger thicker pair of socks over top. Ski mask with winter hat up top and weather I cover my face or not depends if the windchill is above or below 15.6 miles today in the first below-zero wind chills of the season ..not too bad, though. A new addition to my winter gear is some rather thick wrist bands (from one of the Bourbon Chase locales), which seems to really help keep the hands warm (I always wear gloves).What's everyone else doing?
Hey, guys. I've got an easy 5 later this afternoon and then 14 tomorrow morning, my longest run since the failed attempt at my 50-miler in November. I'd estimate my Achilles at about 90% healed, so I'm hoping it holds up OK. Then off to Lambeau tomorrow afternoon to watch the Packers crush the Vikings. Should be a good day!What's everyone else doing?
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Stop complaining. Just rip that toenail off and get back out there.these Yak Trax are pinching my big toefirst time with purple toenails
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I did do that 4 mile pace run yesterday so I was on tired legs but still I was not expecting this. I made it 7 miles and I was really struggling. At 7 miles I though I had run 8 and I was going to give up on the 10 but instead I reset my garmin to do 2 miles at a recovery pace of 10:30-11:30. I was surprised when I got home and looked at the numbers that I had only run 9. Kind of tells me my head was not all there at the end. Final numbers today.
Stop complaining. Just rip that toenail off and get back out there.these Yak Trax are pinching my big toefirst time with purple toenails
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It did, the work stress too, but give it 2-3 weeks and you'll be 90-95% back to where you were. It's much easier to bounce back than it is to start a new, just gotta be a little patient.What happened to my conditioning??? I cant imagine running a half at 8:30 pace now and I did that less then a mos ago?? I suppose to much Christmas cheer and being sick has hurt me.
And, moderately slacking at year end will payoff in the new year. 2010 into 2011, I took no "off season" and felt stale most of 2011. Last year and again this year I pulled way back mid November thorough the end of the year. Now, I've caught my annual one cold a year and gained about 7 pounds, but was in the same boat last year and felt much more fresh when I got things back on track.It did, the work stress too, but give it 2-3 weeks and you'll be 90-95% back to where you were. It's much easier to bounce back than it is to start a new, just gotta be a little patient.What happened to my conditioning??? I cant imagine running a half at 8:30 pace now and I did that less then a mos ago?? I suppose to much Christmas cheer and being sick has hurt me.
Forgot my Garmin at work.Yesterday - 6.2M, negative splitToday - 500 pushups, 500 abs mixWhat's everyone else doing?
Tomorrow - 13.1M time trial
Sunday - Rest
So I just ran the planned route with an good-old regular watch, for 100 minutes. Kind of liked not having the Garmin but I won't do this often.New route, down the road from me then a nice 8ish mile loop. Decided I'd take dirt roads back and slightly off course. Ended up having to hop a gate and fence, then looked around and realized I had gotten into a turkey coop. Went through it, hopped a barbed-wire fence (climbing on what I assume is the turkey feeder), got back on track and got home without issue. I'm just thankful the farmer either didn't see me or didn't want to chase a runner through the woods (or shoot).Right with you...have felt like its starting over after that marathon.Running has been inconsistent timing with the holidays and travel.Was ready to gear it back up and have been hit with the crud. Wheezing lungs and a nose that won't stop.Made it through 4 miles this morning of a planned 7-8...and just had to quit. Happy I at least got out there for the 4 as I was tempted to just bag it.But my HR and paces have definitely seen a change from where I was...which was expected.Hopefully the crap moves through me and does not turn to fluish stuff that has been going around...and I can slowly get ramped back up.The upside is that weighing in after the holidays only saw a small bump up in weight...so I did learn some control along the way and did not go overboard this year.What happened to my conditioning??? I cant imagine running a half at 8:30 pace now and I did that less then a mos ago?? I suppose to much Christmas cheer and being sick has hurt me. Anyway I went out for a long run this morning. I set my garmin for 10 miles at 9:35 pace. I was hurting within 2 milesI did do that 4 mile pace run yesterday so I was on tired legs but still I was not expecting this. I made it 7 miles and I was really struggling. At 7 miles I though I had run 8 and I was going to give up on the 10 but instead I reset my garmin to do 2 miles at a recovery pace of 10:30-11:30. I was surprised when I got home and looked at the numbers that I had only run 9. Kind of tells me my head was not all there at the end. Final numbers today.7 miles@ 9:44 pace followed by 2 miles @ 11:08 pace.
I am disappointed in the loss of conditioning but I will take it and I realize the conditioning will return fairly quickly.*Work update- I still have a job but more folks seem to be on the chopping block. Yesterday we were all surprised with a drug test. I am wondering if this is another tactic to weed out some folks. We will see what next week brings. I will say the three days of work last week felt like a lot longer and was pretty dang stressful.
You did wear them over shoes, right?'mr. furley said:these Yak Trax are pinching my big toefirst time with purple toenails
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That's odd, though. I've not had any problems with mine.
--Like others here, I'm also amazed at how much I have fallen off pacing after taking some time off and throttling back the mileage for a while. But as 2Young notes, it's good to do that. Here are a couple links (with excerpts) that remind us why we train long and slow in the off-season. I have a sense that when we back off, some of the capillaries and such start to regress, but then smart training lets us build a better infrastructure for the season ahead.http://www.active.com/triathlon/Articles/Train-Smart-This-Winter_-Base-Training-BasicsFat is a primary fuel source for the aerobic energy system. Over the course of a base-training period, your body learns to readily break down and utilize fat as an energy source. The fat we currently have stored in our bodies could provide enough energy to perform many marathons back to back, whereas muscle glycogen depletion can occur in as little as one hour. Other physiological adaptations of aerobic training include increased stroke volume of the heart, capillary density and mitochondrial density. Stroke-volume increase simply means your heart pumps more blood per beat. Mitochondria are structures within muscle cells that produce energy from fat and carbohydrate oxidation. Think of them as tiny batteries for muscle contractions. Regular endurance training can double number of these structures. By increasing capillary density, we can effectively transport more blood to working muscles. The process of building capillaries occurs gradually. Because high-stress, high-impact running breaks down capillaries, base training is best to promote the slow growth of capillaries. The hard part of base training is having the discipline to train at these low intensities, because even spending short amounts of time above your aerobic zone spoils the workout. The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and the anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no-man's-land of fitness since such intensities do not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy systems effectively. Unfortunately, however, this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons. The bottom line is you have to let your anaerobic system atrophy during the base phase. This means you will lose some of your anaerobic endurance, so expect to surrender some top-end speed coming out of your base phase, but take comfort in knowing this is what you are going to spend the rest of your season working on. http://www.drpribut.com/sports/longrun.htmlThe long run has been emphasized as the building block of training for over 30 years. Long distance aerobic running gives the strength and ground work on which much will be built. Lactate threshold training, speed work, and stamina will all come later, but the ability to run long has many benefits.VO2 max will increase from running within your aerobic training range. Capillaries will grow, enhancing the blood supply to the muscle fibers. Training increases the number and size of mitochondria. The mitochondria are the aerobic powerhouses of the cell. A variety of key aerobic enzymes will also increase. More myoglobin will be found in the skeletal muscle fibers. The significance of the increase in capillaries and myoglobin are the assistance that this will provide to the part of the VO2 equation specifying the difference in concentration of oxygen in arterial and venous blood, these changes facilitate oxygen transfer into the muscles.Thanks for this. Might be the must convincing thing I've read to convince me to slow down on the long runs. I'm reading hal higdons marathon the ultimate training guide now, he seems more okay with running faster until we hit fifteen or more.You did wear them over shoes, right?'mr. furley said:these Yak Trax are pinching my big toefirst time with purple toenails
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That's odd, though. I've not had any problems with mine.
--Like others here, I'm also amazed at how much I have fallen off pacing after taking some time off and throttling back the mileage for a while. But as 2Young notes, it's good to do that. Here are a couple links (with excerpts) that remind us why we train long and slow in the off-season. I have a sense that when we back off, some of the capillaries and such start to regress, but then smart training lets us build a better infrastructure for the season ahead.http://www.active.com/triathlon/Articles/Train-Smart-This-Winter_-Base-Training-BasicsFat is a primary fuel source for the aerobic energy system. Over the course of a base-training period, your body learns to readily break down and utilize fat as an energy source. The fat we currently have stored in our bodies could provide enough energy to perform many marathons back to back, whereas muscle glycogen depletion can occur in as little as one hour. Other physiological adaptations of aerobic training include increased stroke volume of the heart, capillary density and mitochondrial density. Stroke-volume increase simply means your heart pumps more blood per beat. Mitochondria are structures within muscle cells that produce energy from fat and carbohydrate oxidation. Think of them as tiny batteries for muscle contractions. Regular endurance training can double number of these structures. By increasing capillary density, we can effectively transport more blood to working muscles. The process of building capillaries occurs gradually. Because high-stress, high-impact running breaks down capillaries, base training is best to promote the slow growth of capillaries. The hard part of base training is having the discipline to train at these low intensities, because even spending short amounts of time above your aerobic zone spoils the workout. The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and the anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no-man's-land of fitness since such intensities do not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy systems effectively. Unfortunately, however, this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons. The bottom line is you have to let your anaerobic system atrophy during the base phase. This means you will lose some of your anaerobic endurance, so expect to surrender some top-end speed coming out of your base phase, but take comfort in knowing this is what you are going to spend the rest of your season working on. http://www.drpribut.com/sports/longrun.htmlThe long run has been emphasized as the building block of training for over 30 years. Long distance aerobic running gives the strength and ground work on which much will be built. Lactate threshold training, speed work, and stamina will all come later, but the ability to run long has many benefits.VO2 max will increase from running within your aerobic training range. Capillaries will grow, enhancing the blood supply to the muscle fibers. Training increases the number and size of mitochondria. The mitochondria are the aerobic powerhouses of the cell. A variety of key aerobic enzymes will also increase. More myoglobin will be found in the skeletal muscle fibers. The significance of the increase in capillaries and myoglobin are the assistance that this will provide to the part of the VO2 equation specifying the difference in concentration of oxygen in arterial and venous blood, these changes facilitate oxygen transfer into the muscles.