Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

[Peter_Griffin]

I officially signed-up for the Austin Marathon (Feb. 17th) the day after Christmas. I just checked the terrain, and the flipping course is uphill from mile 7 through 18. A topographical look of the course can be found HERE (scroll to bottom to see elevation). I have done zero hill training thus far, and don't want to alter any training at this point for fear of injury = the hills will most likely slow me down quite a bit.

Adding some hills in your training shouldn't injure you ...but it will help for race day. Don't talk yourself out of hill work! I'd suggest trying to add some once a week. :finger: me later (or :finger: yourself if the hills kill during the race). You need to acclimate your legs to both the up and downhill pounding.

Hills are a must for me as all routes from my driveway involve rolling if not steep hills. Personally, I'm glad they do because it makes the "flat, fast coures" truly fast. Although I don't do any hill sprints or anything like that. Just trying to maintain a halfway decent pace up a hill is hard enough.I did 8 hilly miles on Sunday in shorts (woohoo) as it was almost 50 degrees. This was after running with the wind chill around 2 on Thursday. They say it could hit 65 here tomorrow afternoon!!!!

 

[GStrot]

I officially signed-up for the Austin Marathon (Feb. 17th) the day after Christmas. I just checked the terrain, and the flipping course is uphill from mile 7 through 18. A topographical look of the course can be found HERE (scroll to bottom to see elevation). I have done zero hill training thus far, and don't want to alter any training at this point for fear of injury = the hills will most likely slow me down quite a bit.

Adding some hills in your training shouldn't injure you ...but it will help for race day. Don't talk yourself out of hill work! I'd suggest trying to add some once a week. :finger: me later (or :finger: yourself if the hills kill during the race). You need to acclimate your legs to both the up and downhill pounding.

Hills are a must for me as all routes from my driveway involve rolling if not steep hills. Personally, I'm glad they do because it makes the "flat, fast coures" truly fast. Although I don't do any hill sprints or anything like that. Just trying to maintain a halfway decent pace up a hill is hard enough.I did 8 hilly miles on Sunday in shorts (woohoo) as it was almost 50 degrees. This was after running with the wind chill around 2 on Thursday. They say it could hit 65 here tomorrow afternoon!!!!

where are you located?I know some of the Chicago area fbgs just had a great Sunday for running. Possibly tonight although it sounds windy out. Always fun when you miscalculate the wind direction and realize the headwind is on the way back in. ugh.

 

[GStrot]

I think the consensus was just to continue with this thread. Though a name change may not be a bad idea.

Did we vote on suggestions?

 

[Darrinll40]

One last thing about the race yesterday. I had forgotten this when I got home yesterday, but the water provided by the race tasted like well water. Could the water have upset my stomach and made me feel that way? I did use shot bloks during the race, but I always ate them during training, plus I ate them during the other 1/2 and had no problems. Any coherent thoughts?

 

[RoarinSonoran]

I officially signed-up for the Austin Marathon (Feb. 17th) the day after Christmas. I just checked the terrain, and the flipping course is uphill from mile 7 through 18. A topographical look of the course can be found HERE (scroll to bottom to see elevation). I have done zero hill training thus far, and don't want to alter any training at this point for fear of injury = the hills will most likely slow me down quite a bit.

Adding some hills in your training shouldn't injure you ...but it will help for race day. Don't talk yourself out of hill work! I'd suggest trying to add some once a week. :finger: me later (or :finger: yourself if the hills kill during the race). You need to acclimate your legs to both the up and downhill pounding.

Why did I know you would say this, or something similar I'm pretty certain I'll be giving the :finger: come race day as it is. I'll incorporate some hills on my easy runs (Tuesdays) and also on my 10 miler during my week off (I have an excellent 10 mile workout with two decent hills on it). For those keeping score, Tri-Man has received more :fingers: or than everyone else in this thread combined. Thanks for keeping us honest!

Yes, do try to incorporate some hills into your workout. Just be sure to take it easy, and ice your legs well afterwards.You might want to try and research the hills on the course a bit more tho. Elevation charts on marathon websites like this are usually crap, as the math says this is "only" a 1/2 of 1% grade (up 1ft for every 200ft you go). Even finding a better chart doesn't always help. I plotted the SD course on runstoppable.com (mapmyrun.com might also offer this), and got a better elevation chart than the race website. I thought for sure I'd be climbing Mt Everest during the San Diego marathon, but I hardly noticed it (instead, I got my butt kicked by a "simple" bridge over a waterway that was just a small bump on the elevation chart).

Not sure where you're located, but if you can drive the course beforehand, that'll help you prepare (even if you only do it the day before). Add a couple of hill routes to your training (and take it easy), and then don't stress about the course hills. You're aware of 'em, listen to your body as you're on the course, and you'll be fine.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I officially signed-up for the Austin Marathon (Feb. 17th) the day after Christmas. I just checked the terrain, and the flipping course is uphill from mile 7 through 18. A topographical look of the course can be found HERE (scroll to bottom to see elevation). I have done zero hill training thus far, and don't want to alter any training at this point for fear of injury = the hills will most likely slow me down quite a bit.

Adding some hills in your training shouldn't injure you ...but it will help for race day. Don't talk yourself out of hill work! I'd suggest trying to add some once a week. :finger: me later (or :finger: yourself if the hills kill during the race). You need to acclimate your legs to both the up and downhill pounding.

Hills are a must for me as all routes from my driveway involve rolling if not steep hills. Personally, I'm glad they do because it makes the "flat, fast coures" truly fast. Although I don't do any hill sprints or anything like that. Just trying to maintain a halfway decent pace up a hill is hard enough.I did 8 hilly miles on Sunday in shorts (woohoo) as it was almost 50 degrees. This was after running with the wind chill around 2 on Thursday. They say it could hit 65 here tomorrow afternoon!!!!

where are you located?I know some of the Chicago area fbgs just had a great Sunday for running. Possibly tonight although it sounds windy out. Always fun when you miscalculate the wind direction and realize the headwind is on the way back in. ugh.

New Jersey, home of the most corrupt state and local government in the country.I have issues when we get 20 mph winds around here I can't imagine how bad it gets in the Windy City in the winter.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Not sure where you're located, but if you can drive the course beforehand, that'll help you prepare (even if you only do it the day before).

This is huge if you can do it. Those little bumps in the elevation charts can be very misleading.

 

[SteveUK]

One last thing about the race yesterday. I had forgotten this when I got home yesterday, but the water provided by the race tasted like well water. Could the water have upset my stomach and made me feel that way? I did use shot bloks during the race, but I always ate them during training, plus I ate them during the other 1/2 and had no problems. Any coherent thoughts?

How much of the water did you drink? For my part, I only took a couple of swallows at two of the water stops. I have never been very successful with taking much water in thru the mouth from the plastic cups. I am seriously thinking about running with my fuel belt for the next longer race (more than 10K). Though I never really feel the need for water in a race it's probably at least partly the reason for my performance drop in the last few miles of both the Half's and the 10.

 

[SteveUK]

Darrin & Steve, we are still looking for a race near Orlando on 2/17. Jacksonville is just too far to leave the kids with my folks all day or we'd love to come up and run with you two. There is a 5K at Florida Tech in Melbourne that day (and I know the drive down there well after working the hurricanes down there in 2004), but doesn't appear to be all that worthwhile. I found a couple of site I thought you 2 could use and wanted to share, if you hear/find something around Orlando that day I'd really appreciate it!! Here are the sites:

http://www.runningintheusa.com/RacesByStat...th=2&Page=2

http://www.runwalkjog.com/floridaraces01.htm

http://www.orlandorunnersclub.org/schedule.htm

Thanks for the links As for races on 2/17, it doesn't look like there is anything. Just the Marathons/Half Marathons in Jax & Ft Lauderdale. As I think I've mentioned before the following weekend would have been so much better - there is a 10K/5K in our area.

 

[Darrinll40]

One last thing about the race yesterday. I had forgotten this when I got home yesterday, but the water provided by the race tasted like well water. Could the water have upset my stomach and made me feel that way? I did use shot bloks during the race, but I always ate them during training, plus I ate them during the other 1/2 and had no problems. Any coherent thoughts?

How much of the water did you drink? For my part, I only took a couple of swallows at two of the water stops. I have never been very successful with taking much water in thru the mouth from the plastic cups. I am seriously thinking about running with my fuel belt for the next longer race (more than 10K). Though I never really feel the need for water in a race it's probably at least partly the reason for my performance drop in the last few miles of both the Half's and the 10.

I didn't have a lot, but at least a mouthful at every station.

 

[tri-man 47]

I think the consensus was just to continue with this thread. Though a name change may not be a bad idea.

Did we vote on suggestions?

We didn't have any specific suggestions I don't think. It could just be "Runner's Thread ..and more! (formerly known as 10K Thread)" - the latter to assist those looking for the 10K in the title.

 

[meeka]

I think the consensus was just to continue with this thread. Though a name change may not be a bad idea.

Did we vote on suggestions?

We didn't have any specific suggestions I don't think. It could just be "Runner's Thread ..and more! (formerly known as 10K Thread)" - the latter to assist those looking for the 10K in the title.

My $.02 would be to start a new thread for the year. It would be more welcoming to new runners and I would not feel bad asking questions about GU Gels and other things I know are lost somewhere in the first 50 pages.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I think the consensus was just to continue with this thread. Though a name change may not be a bad idea.

Did we vote on suggestions?

We didn't have any specific suggestions I don't think. It could just be "Runner's Thread ..and more! (formerly known as 10K Thread)" - the latter to assist those looking for the 10K in the title.

My $.02 would be to start a new thread for the year. It would be more welcoming to new runners and I would not feel bad asking questions about GU Gels and other things I know are lost somewhere in the first 50 pages.

Good point, although you wont find the same toolish factor as other threads if the same question, topic, etc come up. Its an older crowd in here and we tend to forget too. As for GU, I hate it, can take it & it didn't pack a punch for me. I had huge success with Cliff's Shot Bloks and its all I use, carrying a combo of Margaritta w/ extra salt for cramps, Cola with extra caffine and Lemon/Lime just fot the taste. I mix and match to suit how I feel. Whatever you choose, you shold test them/it on your long runs as practice to see how you assimilate the stuff and how it works. FWIW, my wife swears by GU and thinks it all but carried her the last 3 miles of the 1/2 we did in October. It was her first & ran it in 2:11 less than a year from 40, so its hard to argue.

 

[gruecd]

Its an older crowd in here...

Speak for yourself! I'll just be turning 31 this Thursday. With regard to the whole "hill" issue, I'm contemplating adding a dedicated hill workout myself as part of my training for Boston. Don't get me wrong; I've been very careful to incorporate some very nice-sized hills into my weekly long run, but I think I might start adding hill repeats to my schedule every other week, which would make my already ambitious weekly schedule look like this:Monday: 5 miles easyTuesday: Medium-long run (8-12 miles)Wednesday: BasketballThursday: Speedwork/Hill repeats (every other week)Friday: Basketball/restSaturday: Long run (12-20 miles)Sunday: 4 miles easy + basketball leagueAnyway, I've got a very hectic schedule later this week with LASIK on Thursday and the Packers playoff game on Saturday, so I got up at 3:45 this morning to meet my "running wife" at 4:30 for a midweek 12-miler. I can't remember the last time I've been physical with a woman so early in the morning.

 

[meeka]

I think the consensus was just to continue with this thread. Though a name change may not be a bad idea.

Did we vote on suggestions?

We didn't have any specific suggestions I don't think. It could just be "Runner's Thread ..and more! (formerly known as 10K Thread)" - the latter to assist those looking for the 10K in the title.

My $.02 would be to start a new thread for the year. It would be more welcoming to new runners and I would not feel bad asking questions about GU Gels and other things I know are lost somewhere in the first 50 pages.

Good point, although you wont find the same toolish factor as other threads if the same question, topic, etc come up. Its an older crowd in here and we tend to forget too. As for GU, I hate it, can take it & it didn't pack a punch for me. I had huge success with Cliff's Shot Bloks and its all I use, carrying a combo of Margaritta w/ extra salt for cramps, Cola with extra caffine and Lemon/Lime just fot the taste. I mix and match to suit how I feel. Whatever you choose, you shold test them/it on your long runs as practice to see how you assimilate the stuff and how it works. FWIW, my wife swears by GU and thinks it all but carried her the last 3 miles of the 1/2 we did in October. It was her first & ran it in 2:11 less than a year from 40, so its hard to argue.

Thanks for the info. The reason I brought up GU was that I got some for Christmas with running sox from my brother in law. I remember seeing it talked about months ago. I will probably ask more questions when I start trying different energy packets.You are right, old or not the tool factor pretty much left after the first few pages. Only helpful runners remain.

 

[tri-man 47]

You should listen to guys like Darrin, who has run off approximately 2358 lbs in the past couple years, or his wife SteveUK (I may be a little off on the relationship there); tri-man who does more lunges before 6:00 AM than the rest of us combined do all day; gruecd, our resident Kenyan; Floppo, who takes time out of marathons to ptts; and Furley, who was pwned by an 8 9 year old.

Pathetically, this statement was true for me this morning. My college-age son fell asleep in front of the TV, so after rousing him at 3:00 a.m. and sending him to his bedroom (where he promptly fell asleep with the light on ), I rolled around for an hour before realizing I wasn't going to get back to a deep sleep. I figured I might as well get up and work out. I was ready to start biking, but found I've already worn out a tire, so switched to 'reps' while watching the movie 300. As I was finishing 100 lunges, I realized the Duck's words had rung true. [unfortunately, unlike gruecd, I don't have a lunge wife to, um, lunge with.] So I did lunges, 50 squats with 20 lb dumbells, and 50 sit-ups to go along with 200 reps on those hand-grip thingys.

 

[SFBayDuck]

You should listen to guys like Darrin, who has run off approximately 2358 lbs in the past couple years, or his wife SteveUK (I may be a little off on the relationship there); tri-man who does more lunges before 6:00 AM than the rest of us combined do all day; gruecd, our resident Kenyan; Floppo, who takes time out of marathons to ptts; and Furley, who was pwned by an 8 9 year old.

Pathetically, this statement was true for me this morning. My college-age son fell asleep in front of the TV, so after rousing him at 3:00 a.m. and sending him to his bedroom (where he promptly fell asleep with the light on :( ), I rolled around for an hour before realizing I wasn't going to get back to a deep sleep. I figured I might as well get up and work out. I was ready to start biking, but found I've already worn out a tire, so switched to 'reps' while watching the movie 300. As I was finishing 100 lunges, I realized the Duck's words had rung true. [unfortunately, unlike gruecd, I don't have a lunge wife to, um, lunge with.] So I did lunges, 50 squats with 20 lb dumbells, and 50 sit-ups to go along with 200 reps on those hand-grip thingys.

Atta boy!I actually think it's time I start incorporating some weight training, core work, something, into my 3-days/week running routine. Of course with a 16K coming up this weekend I'm not doing it this week, but as I don't think I'm going to try for the 1/2 marathon in a couple weeks (just too much mileage increase too fast, afraid of getting hurt so early in the year) late next week should be a good time to start getting some in.

Unless of course this Sunday feels really good and I do want to try and push it for another 3 miles on Super Bowl Sunday!

 

[culdeus]

Fat loss depends on energy deficit only, independently of the method for weight loss.

Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(5):428-32. Epub 2007 Nov 20.

BACKGROUND: This study was designed to compare the effects of 2 different but isocaloric fat reduction programs with the same amount of energy deficit - diet alone or diet combined with aerobic training - on body composition, lipid profile and cardiorespiratory fitness in non- or moderately obese women. METHODS: Twenty non- or moderately obese (BMI 24.32 +/- 3.11) females (27.3 +/- 6.6 years) were tested at the beginning and after an 8-week period of a mild hypocaloric diet for the following parameters: (1) body mass and body fat; (2) total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C and triglycerides; (3) lactate (millimol/liter) during submaximal exertion (100 W); (4) heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W), and (5) maximum exercise performance (watt). Subjects were randomly divided into either a diet alone (D, -2,095 +/- 659 kJ/day) or a diet (-1,420 +/- 1,084 kJ/day) plus exercise (DE, three 60-min sessions per week at 60% of VO(2)max or -5,866 kJ/week) group. RESULTS: Body mass and body fat decreased significantly in D (-1.95 +/- 1.13 kg or -1.47 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05) and DE (-2.23 +/- 1.28 kg or -1.59 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05), but there was no significant difference observed between the groups. Statistical analysis revealed no significant changes of total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C, triglycerides and heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W). Lactic acid accumulation during submaximal exertion (100 W) decreased significantly (-0.8 +/- 1.4 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in DE and increased significantly (+0.4 +/- 0.5 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in D. Maximum exercise performance improved significantly (+12.2 +/- 8.8 W, p < 0.05) in DE and did not change significantly in D. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Fat loss depends on energy deficit only, independently of the method for weight loss.

Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(5):428-32. Epub 2007 Nov 20.

BACKGROUND: This study was designed to compare the effects of 2 different but isocaloric fat reduction programs with the same amount of energy deficit - diet alone or diet combined with aerobic training - on body composition, lipid profile and cardiorespiratory fitness in non- or moderately obese women. METHODS: Twenty non- or moderately obese (BMI 24.32 +/- 3.11) females (27.3 +/- 6.6 years) were tested at the beginning and after an 8-week period of a mild hypocaloric diet for the following parameters: (1) body mass and body fat; (2) total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C and triglycerides; (3) lactate (millimol/liter) during submaximal exertion (100 W); (4) heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W), and (5) maximum exercise performance (watt). Subjects were randomly divided into either a diet alone (D, -2,095 +/- 659 kJ/day) or a diet (-1,420 +/- 1,084 kJ/day) plus exercise (DE, three 60-min sessions per week at 60% of VO(2)max or -5,866 kJ/week) group. RESULTS: Body mass and body fat decreased significantly in D (-1.95 +/- 1.13 kg or -1.47 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05) and DE (-2.23 +/- 1.28 kg or -1.59 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05), but there was no significant difference observed between the groups. Statistical analysis revealed no significant changes of total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C, triglycerides and heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W). Lactic acid accumulation during submaximal exertion (100 W) decreased significantly (-0.8 +/- 1.4 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in DE and increased significantly (+0.4 +/- 0.5 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in D. Maximum exercise performance improved significantly (+12.2 +/- 8.8 W, p < 0.05) in DE and did not change significantly in D. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction.

As an academic , I feel compelled to give the authors their credit: B. Strassera, A. Spreitzerb, P. Haberaa

aDepartment of Internal Medicine IV, Division of Sports Medicine, Medical University Vienna, and

bInstitute of Nutritional Sciences, University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria

edited to correct my grammar

 

[pigskinliquors]

I officially signed-up for the Austin Marathon (Feb. 17th) the day after Christmas. I just checked the terrain, and the flipping course is uphill from mile 7 through 18. A topographical look of the course can be found HERE (scroll to bottom to see elevation). I have done zero hill training thus far, and don't want to alter any training at this point for fear of injury = the hills will most likely slow me down quite a bit.

Adding some hills in your training shouldn't injure you ...but it will help for race day. Don't talk yourself out of hill work! I'd suggest trying to add some once a week. :finger: me later (or :finger: yourself if the hills kill during the race). You need to acclimate your legs to both the up and downhill pounding.

Why did I know you would say this, or something similar I'm pretty certain I'll be giving the :finger: come race day as it is. I'll incorporate some hills on my easy runs (Tuesdays) and also on my 10 miler during my week off (I have an excellent 10 mile workout with two decent hills on it). For those keeping score, Tri-Man has received more :fingers: or than everyone else in this thread combined. Thanks for keeping us honest!

Yes, do try to incorporate some hills into your workout. Just be sure to take it easy, and ice your legs well afterwards.You might want to try and research the hills on the course a bit more tho. Elevation charts on marathon websites like this are usually crap, as the math says this is "only" a 1/2 of 1% grade (up 1ft for every 200ft you go). Even finding a better chart doesn't always help. I plotted the SD course on runstoppable.com (mapmyrun.com might also offer this), and got a better elevation chart than the race website. I thought for sure I'd be climbing Mt Everest during the San Diego marathon, but I hardly noticed it (instead, I got my butt kicked by a "simple" bridge over a waterway that was just a small bump on the elevation chart).

Not sure where you're located, but if you can drive the course beforehand, that'll help you prepare (even if you only do it the day before). Add a couple of hill routes to your training (and take it easy), and then don't stress about the course hills. You're aware of 'em, listen to your body as you're on the course, and you'll be fine.

Great suggestion RS. I know the area (downtown Austin) very well, but driving the course will help. The good news is that the hills are all gradual, the bad news is that they are loooooong. I'll actually be in Austin this Thursday and will drive the whole thing. For my current long runs, I use 3 routes (a 3, 4 and 5 miler) and do them repetitively so that I can return to my house where I have a water station set-up (i.e., for next week's 18 miler, I'll do the 5 mile loop 3x, and finish with the 3 mile loop). Both the 4 and 5 miler have one small hill on them, but it is quite small (big for College Station, TX, small for anywhere else!). My favorite run (10 miler) has a great hill on it (steeper than I'll see in Austin), that I go both down and up = I'll make sure to do this route a couple of times between now and my race. I'm also all in on the ice!

 

[pigskinliquors]

FYI: now that Mrs. Liquors is becoming a massage therapist, she's being introduced to multiple different methods to relieve muscle and/or joint pain. Here latest lesson was on Trager Therapy and she booked me an appointment tomorrow evening with the Instructor that taught the lesson. The therapy is supposed to teach ease of movement, and help people re-program how they move (for me run/bike/swim). Anyone else tried or heard of this?

 

[RoarinSonoran]

5k last night in 27:24ish. I remembered my shoes this time. :( First run on a day <> Saturday in about three weeks. lol

It was a nice even run. First two splits were just a couple seconds under 9:00, with the 3rd mile at around 8:35 (I was getting eager to finish? ).

The weather's not looking "good" for Sunday's marathon. Temp around 42 for the start, but with a forecast high of 67, the finish could get rather warm (of course, if I finish in world record time, then I shouldn't have to worry about the heat at all ). I'm not sure if I'll want to start with long sleeves and sweats (over shorts/shirt), and then strip after an hour or so, or just start off with shorts/shirt and be done with it. Saturday weather is supposed to be the same, so maybe I'll just drag my butt out of bed, and go down to the course and see what it's like.

* yeah, I know, you bums in the colder climes would kill for weather like that, but for me, it's a little too warm to run.

 

[culdeus]

Fat loss depends on energy deficit only, independently of the method for weight loss.

Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(5):428-32. Epub 2007 Nov 20.

BACKGROUND: This study was designed to compare the effects of 2 different but isocaloric fat reduction programs with the same amount of energy deficit - diet alone or diet combined with aerobic training - on body composition, lipid profile and cardiorespiratory fitness in non- or moderately obese women. METHODS: Twenty non- or moderately obese (BMI 24.32 +/- 3.11) females (27.3 +/- 6.6 years) were tested at the beginning and after an 8-week period of a mild hypocaloric diet for the following parameters: (1) body mass and body fat; (2) total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C and triglycerides; (3) lactate (millimol/liter) during submaximal exertion (100 W); (4) heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W), and (5) maximum exercise performance (watt). Subjects were randomly divided into either a diet alone (D, -2,095 +/- 659 kJ/day) or a diet (-1,420 +/- 1,084 kJ/day) plus exercise (DE, three 60-min sessions per week at 60% of VO(2)max or -5,866 kJ/week) group. RESULTS: Body mass and body fat decreased significantly in D (-1.95 +/- 1.13 kg or -1.47 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05) and DE (-2.23 +/- 1.28 kg or -1.59 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05), but there was no significant difference observed between the groups. Statistical analysis revealed no significant changes of total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C, triglycerides and heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W). Lactic acid accumulation during submaximal exertion (100 W) decreased significantly (-0.8 +/- 1.4 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in DE and increased significantly (+0.4 +/- 0.5 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in D. Maximum exercise performance improved significantly (+12.2 +/- 8.8 W, p < 0.05) in DE and did not change significantly in D. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction.

As an academic , I feel compelled to give the authors' their credit: B. Strassera, A. Spreitzerb, P. Haberaa

aDepartment of Internal Medicine IV, Division of Sports Medicine, Medical University Vienna, and

bInstitute of Nutritional Sciences, University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria

That's funny I figured Ann Metab was the author.

 

[pigskinliquors]

5k last night in 27:24ish. I remembered my shoes this time. First run on a day <> Saturday in about three weeks. lolIt was a nice even run. First two splits were just a couple seconds under 9:00, with the 3rd mile at around 8:35 (I was getting eager to finish? ).The weather's not looking "good" for Sunday's marathon. Temp around 42 for the start, but with a forecast high of 67, the finish could get rather warm (of course, if I finish in world record time, then I shouldn't have to worry about the heat at all :( ). I'm not sure if I'll want to start with long sleeves and sweats (over shorts/shirt), and then strip after an hour or so, or just start off with shorts/shirt and be done with it. Saturday weather is supposed to be the same, so maybe I'll just drag my butt out of bed, and go down to the course and see what it's like. * yeah, I know, you bums in the colder climes would kill for weather like that, but for me, it's a little too warm to run.

Hey RS: I don't like taking clothes off during a race, and typically warm-up within the first couple of miles. I'd recommend staying warm right up to the start, and go shorts/shirt right away.FYI: for my 6am run this morning (which did not include any hills!) it was 72 flipping degrees w/ 95% humidity = it can certainly be too hot this time of year.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Hey RS: I don't like taking clothes off during a race, and typically warm-up within the first couple of miles. I'd recommend staying warm right up to the start, and go shorts/shirt right away.

Last year, it was ~30 at the start. I wore the longsleeve/shirt/shorts/sweats combo, and even wore a jacket up until the gun went off. My wife was about 50yds past the start line, so I handed off the jacket. I took off the longsleeve at about 12 (it was about time for a break anyhow). By 22, the sun had climbed high enough that I was actually getting warm, so I thought about stripping the sweats (dark blue + sun = ), but figured I wouldn't be able to get going again if I stopped. lolI may just go with the "get up Saturday morning and test the waters" idea, as I have to get up early anyhow to take my daughter to gymnastics. Perhaps run a mile or so to loosen up for Sunday. We'll see.

 

[gruecd]

The weather's not looking "good" for Sunday's marathon. Temp around 42 for the start, but with a forecast high of 67, the finish could get rather warm (of course, if I finish in world record time, then I shouldn't have to worry about the heat at all ). I'm not sure if I'll want to start with long sleeves and sweats (over shorts/shirt), and then strip after an hour or so, or just start off with shorts/shirt and be done with it. Saturday weather is supposed to be the same, so maybe I'll just drag my butt out of bed, and go down to the course and see what it's like. * yeah, I know, you bums in the colder climes would kill for weather like that, but for me, it's a little too warm to run.

Maybe you should just wear your skirt.... Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

What about those arm warmer thingies that the elite guys wear.

They look like you could easily take them off while running and then stuff in your pockets

 

[GStrot]

The weather's not looking "good" for Sunday's marathon. Temp around 42 for the start, but with a forecast high of 67, the finish could get rather warm (of course, if I finish in world record time, then I shouldn't have to worry about the heat at all ). I'm not sure if I'll want to start with long sleeves and sweats (over shorts/shirt), and then strip after an hour or so, or just start off with shorts/shirt and be done with it. Saturday weather is supposed to be the same, so maybe I'll just drag my butt out of bed, and go down to the course and see what it's like. * yeah, I know, you bums in the colder climes would kill for weather like that, but for me, it's a little too warm to run.

Maybe you should just wear your skirt.... Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

singlet?

 

[Peter_Griffin]

The weather's not looking "good" for Sunday's marathon. Temp around 42 for the start, but with a forecast high of 67, the finish could get rather warm (of course, if I finish in world record time, then I shouldn't have to worry about the heat at all ). I'm not sure if I'll want to start with long sleeves and sweats (over shorts/shirt), and then strip after an hour or so, or just start off with shorts/shirt and be done with it. Saturday weather is supposed to be the same, so maybe I'll just drag my butt out of bed, and go down to the course and see what it's like.

* yeah, I know, you bums in the colder climes would kill for weather like that, but for me, it's a little too warm to run.

Maybe you should just wear your skirt.... Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

40 degrees is my cutoff for shorts but then again I don't run on the Frozen Tundra

 

[culdeus]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

 

[tri-man 47]

Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

singlet?

After searching my Wisconsin archives, I find that gruecd has been a singlet fan since childhood:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/798/553360.JPG

 

[SteveUK]

Fat loss depends on energy deficit only, independently of the method for weight loss.

Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(5):428-32. Epub 2007 Nov 20.

BACKGROUND: This study was designed to compare the effects of 2 different but isocaloric fat reduction programs with the same amount of energy deficit - diet alone or diet combined with aerobic training - on body composition, lipid profile and cardiorespiratory fitness in non- or moderately obese women. METHODS: Twenty non- or moderately obese (BMI 24.32 +/- 3.11) females (27.3 +/- 6.6 years) were tested at the beginning and after an 8-week period of a mild hypocaloric diet for the following parameters: (1) body mass and body fat; (2) total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C and triglycerides; (3) lactate (millimol/liter) during submaximal exertion (100 W); (4) heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W), and (5) maximum exercise performance (watt). Subjects were randomly divided into either a diet alone (D, -2,095 +/- 659 kJ/day) or a diet (-1,420 +/- 1,084 kJ/day) plus exercise (DE, three 60-min sessions per week at 60% of VO(2)max or -5,866 kJ/week) group. RESULTS: Body mass and body fat decreased significantly in D (-1.95 +/- 1.13 kg or -1.47 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05) and DE (-2.23 +/- 1.28 kg or -1.59 +/- 0.87%; p < 0.05), but there was no significant difference observed between the groups. Statistical analysis revealed no significant changes of total cholesterol, HDL-C, LDL-C, triglycerides and heart rate during submaximal exertion (100 W). Lactic acid accumulation during submaximal exertion (100 W) decreased significantly (-0.8 +/- 1.4 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in DE and increased significantly (+0.4 +/- 0.5 mmol/l, p < 0.05) in D. Maximum exercise performance improved significantly (+12.2 +/- 8.8 W, p < 0.05) in DE and did not change significantly in D. CONCLUSIONS: This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction.

This doesn't strike me as being shocking news

 

[RoarinSonoran]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

 

[tri-man 47]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

Add in matching spandex shorts and there's plenty wrong with that.

 

[culdeus]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

Add in matching spandex shorts and there's plenty wrong with that.

bibs tough guy, bibs

 

[gruecd]

Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

singlet?

After searching my Wisconsin archives, I find that gruecd has been a singlet fan since childhood:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/798/553360.JPG

Well done, tri-man, well done.....Really, though, you can see our running club's track singlet top at this link: http://www.pacesettersrun.org/apparel.htm.

 

[SteveUK]

Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

singlet?

After searching my Wisconsin archives, I find that gruecd has been a singlet fan since childhood:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/798/553360.JPG

Well done, tri-man, well done.....Really, though, you can see our running club's track singlet top at this link: http://www.pacesettersrun.org/apparel.htm.

$45 for a singlet?

 

[gruecd]

Seriously, when I ran the Green Bay Marathon last spring, it was windy and 38 degrees at the start, and I ran in a singlet and shorts. If I were you, I'd just go with the shorts/shirt. Plenty warm for that.

singlet?

After searching my Wisconsin archives, I find that gruecd has been a singlet fan since childhood:http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/798/553360.JPG

Well done, tri-man, well done.....Really, though, you can see our running club's track singlet top at this link: http://www.pacesettersrun.org/apparel.htm.

$45 for a singlet?

It's really good material. Lasts for a long time.

 

[pigskinliquors]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

Add in matching spandex shorts and there's plenty wrong with that.

bibs tough guy, bibs

Do I need to buy bibs for this I'm not used to being told what to put on when asked to share a hotel room

 

[tri-man 47]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

Add in matching spandex shorts and there's plenty wrong with that.

bibs tough guy, bibs

Do I need to buy bibs for this I'm not used to being told what to put on when asked to share a hotel room

http://www.n2nbodywear.com/Merchant2/graph...ngletFull07.gifBring back some pics.

 

[culdeus]

It now appears that pigskin and I will be sharing a hotel room prior to our event in April.

:nttiawwt:

Add in matching spandex shorts and there's plenty wrong with that.

bibs tough guy, bibs

Do I need to buy bibs for this I'm not used to being told what to put on when asked to share a hotel room

Just bring the butt butter. The rest will take care of itself.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

ART today, and measured for a new set of orthotics.

Need to start eating for race day tho. Been kinda spacing it off the last few days. Hmm, what's in the fridge at home? lol

 

[pigskinliquors]

ART today, and measured for a new set of orthotics. Need to start eating for race day tho. Been kinda spacing it off the last few days. Hmm, what's in the fridge at home? lol

How's ART going? I have my first Trager appointment tonight, and am quite hesitant of whether it will do any good.

 

[Darrinll40]

First run since Sunday's race. 5 miles at a 9:44 pace. Everything felt good and it was hard to stay slow and easy. No stomach pains.

ETA - I was really afraid that after my race experience I would not enjoy the run. Those fears have been laid to rest, I had a good run and I am looking forward to tomorrow's.

 

[tri-man 47]

Just bring the butt butter. The rest will take care of itself.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

How's ART going? I have my first Trager appointment tonight, and am quite hesitant of whether it will do any good.

Considering I was barely able to walk 2yrs ago due to severe shinsplints, and also barely able to walk a year ago due to I-T Band, I'd say it's doing rather well. Now, orthotics have probably helped with the shinsplints, but that and ART got me back on the road and through a marathon. After barely getting through the first marathon due to I-T last year, ART got me back on the road and through two more marathons and three halfs (Rockstar!).I'm still not 100%. I could probably get there, certainly, by taking a few months off (yeah right). Also stretching better and using my foam roller (I won't say "more", because that would imply that I'm using it "some" lol) might get me closer to 100%, but I'll take 97.387274% plus a couple Advils and call it good.

 

[pigskinliquors]

How's ART going? I have my first Trager appointment tonight, and am quite hesitant of whether it will do any good.

Considering I was barely able to walk 2yrs ago due to severe shinsplints, and also barely able to walk a year ago due to I-T Band, I'd say it's doing rather well. Now, orthotics have probably helped with the shinsplints, but that and ART got me back on the road and through a marathon. After barely getting through the first marathon due to I-T last year, ART got me back on the road and through two more marathons and three halfs (Rockstar!).I'm still not 100%. I could probably get there, certainly, by taking a few months off (yeah right). Also stretching better and using my foam roller (I won't say "more", because that would imply that I'm using it "some" lol) might get me closer to 100%, but I'll take 97.387274% plus a couple Advils and call it good.

What I wouldn't do to be 97.4502048324%!! It's amazing what good old Advil can do though! I'm off to my Trager Therapy appointment. If you don't hear from me soon, it most likely didn't go well. I'm hoping this doesn't involve any butt butter

 

[SteveUK]

ART today, and measured for a new set of orthotics. Need to start eating for race day tho. Been kinda spacing it off the last few days. Hmm, what's in the fridge at home? lol

OK, I give in. What is ART

 

[mr. furley]

gb the snow melting

forgot what it was like to run on the pavement

what a difference it makes

 

[bentley]

Just bring the butt butter. The rest will take care of itself.

Holy Toledo. Great first post on this page.