Ran a 10k - Official Thread (7 Viewers)

[FUBAR]

Things I learned today:

1. I have no idea how you guys have this much time to run that many miles.

Other than SteveC (who is indeed from another planet), even the highest mileage runners here are barely running over an hour a day on average. The average American watches almost 5 hours of TV a day. Time shouldn't be an issue for most people, merely an excuse.

Exactly. Chief might be busier than most people, but I'll get up around 430 most mornings (in bed by 9). Training is done by 8 during the week, weekends by 10.

We can always make time for our priorities.

January was a pretty good start around here. I ran 217 miles and added in some more strength training. So far so good. 2 podium results to boot.

Juxt, you're a machine with the ability to never take a day off. Mentally more than anything, I need a day off my feet. And yeah, I started that plan that's straight outta Faster Road Racing 5K to Half marathon. Good info in there for sure.

I love how PBM pays such close attention to everyone's training. Sometimes I see runs and like them but don't think about the previous workouts of the week. I didn't put Fubar's 20 and 13 together...that's a great weekend!

thanks. Really I didn't think it was all that great, but I appreciate the kind words.

Swam for the first time since 8 Jan; it's funny how you can get out of shape for specific sports quickly.

 

[koby925]

Great job, Hang10!

I ran 5 on each of Saturday and Sunday for 140 total in January even with the lousy last week. Felt fine on the legs and back running both days. The aftermath - I felt fine Sunday morning after the fact but feel a bit more tingling in the legs and twinging in the back today vs yesterday. Still nothing like it felt a week ago.

I saw this weekend that a former teammate ran 12 miles at 7:30 pace after running 2-3 days a week for a month or so and nothing over 6. I go incredibly conservatively and consistently - only go up a few miles a week and get hurt and F'ers like him can do stuff like that and be no worse for the wear.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Things I learned today:

1. I have no idea how you guys have this much time to run that many miles.

Other than SteveC (who is indeed from another planet), even the highest mileage runners here are barely running over an hour a day on average. The average American watches almost 5 hours of TV a day. Time shouldn't be an issue for most people, merely an excuse.

See this is where being fast is such a huge benefit when trying to build volume. An hour on the trails is just over 5 miles for me, while you averaged just over 8 miles per hour last month. So you and I can go run the same 30 hours a month, and you'll get in 90 more miles than I will! Honestly, it's the biggest limiter for me in building volume - if I want to get to even 60 miles per week, I have to put in 11-12 hours to get there. An 80 mile week would be over 15 hours! That's just a lot of time.

This is partly why I'm trying to switch to time rather than mileage. Last week during my first full week of strictly MAF training in awhile, I set my Garmin to show only HR and time during my runs. I glanced at the mile splits when it beeped, but I just wasn't going to worry about the mileage or pace - go out for an hour or two staying at that HR, and the mileage is what it is.

 

[FUBAR]

Things I learned today:

1. I have no idea how you guys have this much time to run that many miles.

Other than SteveC (who is indeed from another planet), even the highest mileage runners here are barely running over an hour a day on average. The average American watches almost 5 hours of TV a day. Time shouldn't be an issue for most people, merely an excuse.

See this is where being fast is such a huge benefit when trying to build volume. An hour on the trails is just over 5 miles for me, while you averaged just over 8 miles per hour last month. So you and I can go run the same 30 hours a month, and you'll get in 90 more miles than I will! Honestly, it's the biggest limiter for me in building volume - if I want to get to even 60 miles per week, I have to put in 11-12 hours to get there. An 80 mile week would be over 15 hours! That's just a lot of time.

This is partly why I'm trying to switch to time rather than mileage. Last week during my first full week of strictly MAF training in awhile, I set my Garmin to show only HR and time during my runs. I glanced at the mile splits when it beeped, but I just wasn't going to worry about the mileage or pace - go out for an hour or two staying at that HR, and the mileage is what it is.

true regarding mileage, but really mileage is secondary (if that) to time and effort.

Without a doubt my hardest training route includes the "Madkin goat trail" which is only 0.3 miles and 348' of elevation. That segment usually takes me just a little less than I can get a flat mile done. But the training value of that segment is probably more than the flat mile. Your routes are more gnarly (and a lot longer).

 

[MAC_32]

I just finished doing what I have gotten in the habit of doing the 1st of each month. Making a plan for this month and a tentative one for next month. I don't spend much time thinking more than a week or two out, but if something sticks out on the calendar then I adjust accordingly. This week is set and next week is for the most part too, reassessing each Monday. I end up over scheduling myself most weeks, but if I audible or skip a day per week then I just make up for it Saturday/Sunday. I try to leave one of those days open then fill it if a day earlier in the week got away from me. Sometimes I just enjoy the rest day, but if my body gives me the green light I'll go out if time permits despite the scheduled off day.

It takes a lot of planning to make this work while balancing three kids under 6 (one 3 month old), a wife that also runs, and the handful of personal training clients I still work with. In the end, it's all about planning and sacrifice and knowing what I know about this group I suspect it's the same for most here.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Things I learned today:

1. I have no idea how you guys have this much time to run that many miles.

Other than SteveC (who is indeed from another planet), even the highest mileage runners here are barely running over an hour a day on average. The average American watches almost 5 hours of TV a day. Time shouldn't be an issue for most people, merely an excuse.

See this is where being fast is such a huge benefit when trying to build volume. An hour on the trails is just over 5 miles for me, while you averaged just over 8 miles per hour last month. So you and I can go run the same 30 hours a month, and you'll get in 90 more miles than I will! Honestly, it's the biggest limiter for me in building volume - if I want to get to even 60 miles per week, I have to put in 11-12 hours to get there. An 80 mile week would be over 15 hours! That's just a lot of time.

This is partly why I'm trying to switch to time rather than mileage. Last week during my first full week of strictly MAF training in awhile, I set my Garmin to show only HR and time during my runs. I glanced at the mile splits when it beeped, but I just wasn't going to worry about the mileage or pace - go out for an hour or two staying at that HR, and the mileage is what it is.

true regarding mileage, but really mileage is secondary (if that) to time and effort.

Without a doubt my hardest training route includes the "Madkin goat trail" which is only 0.3 miles and 348' of elevation. That segment usually takes me just a little less than I can get a flat mile done. But the training value of that segment is probably more than the flat mile. Your routes are more gnarly (and a lot longer).

Looks awesome. You gotta love when those contour lines start getting close! Looks similar to Goat Hill, which comes at about the marathon mark of Way Too Cool 50K. Let's just say I've yet to run up that thing.

This got me looking back at some other notable climbs during races I've done:

• Woods Rd Climb, at mile 16 of Quicksilver 100K. 1,093' in 1.8 miles, 11% grade. That one hurt, just a slog.

• Dog Meat, near mile 27 of the same race. 960' in 1.4 miles for a 12% grade.

• Huckleberry Heartbreak at mile 16.6 of Firetrails 50M. 592' over .7 miles for 14% grade

• Up ! Up ! Up ! While not the steepest, a relentless 4 mile exposed climb of 1,233' in the heat of the day at the half way point of Firetrails 50M

• Mitchell Canyon to Summit . Almost 7 miles and 3,249' up Mt. Diablo, probably the toughest combination of grade and distance I've ever done.....

• ....except maybe this one at mile 19 of the same 50K race when you hit S. Gate to Juniper, a 769' climb over 1 mile

 

[Juxtatarot]

pbm and Ned -

Should we sign up today? Apparently the first person has to create the group then after that's done the other two can sign up and join. Group name FBG 10K sound OK?

 

[Ned]

That works.

 

[FUBAR]

A stomach bug sweeping through my house late this week derailed thoughts of a 150 mile month, but I'm sitting on 130 right now and only need 5 today to match my previous high. We'll see how far beyond that I can go. Whatever it ends up being my plan is to eclipse 150 in March.

bug is going around my home too, all 4 of our kids have had it, our 5yo has had it three times now - he'll get sick for a day, be okay, then get sick again. Wife and I so far have been okay (knock on wood).

Wife was up with him all night so I took over this morning and let her sleep. no will have to try to get out over lunch.

 

[Juxtatarot]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

 

[Juxtatarot]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

Done. Group name FBG 10K -- all caps.

I don't know how start corrals work but I put a goal time of 59:59 and gave my marathon time when they asked for a recent race result.

And, what's the deal with having to pay an extra $15 for a tech shirt??

 

[ChiefD]

Probably worded my original post wrong. Should have said: I wish I had the time to run that many miles given how slow I am relative to you guys. Your speed in the time you do run is just in a different world.

 

[Osaurus]

Trying my first 8k after my first 5k seemed way too easy. Hope I don't die in the middle of it.

 

[gruecd]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

What are you guys doing?

 

[Juxtatarot]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

What are you guys doing?

Broad St 10 miler in Philly May 1.

Edit: You in?

 

[Ned]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

What are you guys doing?

Broad St 10 miler in Philly May 1.

Edit: You in?

 

[Osaurus]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

What are you guys doing?

Broad St 10 miler in Philly May 1.

Edit: You in?

Sounds like fun

 

[gruecd]

Edit: You in?

It's tempting, but I'll be traveling to Poland the previous weekend for my marathon. Aga is staying for an extra week after I leave, so I'll have to stay home with the puppy.

 

[Hang 10]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

I was thinking the same thing, from a different perspective. I had a busy Sunday, stayed up late, had a couple of extra drinks, and didn't get much sleep. Yesterday morning started hectic with work, and I wasn't able to get out and run in the morning as planned. I finally headed out the door around lunch time just to get in a few miles on the roads by the house, and just wasn't feeling good. Sure enough, my HR was way higher than it should have been for the effort. I called it at 40 minutes, as I was jogging/walking on flat roads to keep it in the low 140s. Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

I know this is one of the criticisms of HR training, that you it can hurt your workouts if you're a slave to it and non-workout stressors or factors are affecting it. But as I'm trying to get healthy, I'll stick to MAF for now anyway.

 

[FUBAR]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

I was thinking the same thing, from a different perspective. I had a busy Sunday, stayed up late, had a couple of extra drinks, and didn't get much sleep. Yesterday morning started hectic with work, and I wasn't able to get out and run in the morning as planned. I finally headed out the door around lunch time just to get in a few miles on the roads by the house, and just wasn't feeling good. Sure enough, my HR was way higher than it should have been for the effort. I called it at 40 minutes, as I was jogging/walking on flat roads to keep it in the low 140s. Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

I know this is one of the criticisms of HR training, that you it can hurt your workouts if you're a slave to it and non-workout stressors or factors are affecting it. But as I'm trying to get healthy, I'll stick to MAF for now anyway.

I've always considered that a benefit. it helps you be mindful of everything going on with you.

Forgot my watch and radio today, so lunch run was without data. Kind of fun though, just to enjoy being outside and rolling.

 

[pbm107]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

Done. Group name FBG 10K -- all caps.

I don't know how start corrals work but I put a goal time of 59:59 and gave my marathon time when they asked for a recent race result.

And, what's the deal with having to pay an extra $15 for a tech shirt??

Thanks for setting this up, I joined the 10k group.

 

[Hang 10]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

I was thinking the same thing, from a different perspective. I had a busy Sunday, stayed up late, had a couple of extra drinks, and didn't get much sleep. Yesterday morning started hectic with work, and I wasn't able to get out and run in the morning as planned. I finally headed out the door around lunch time just to get in a few miles on the roads by the house, and just wasn't feeling good. Sure enough, my HR was way higher than it should have been for the effort. I called it at 40 minutes, as I was jogging/walking on flat roads to keep it in the low 140s. Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

I know this is one of the criticisms of HR training, that you it can hurt your workouts if you're a slave to it and non-workout stressors or factors are affecting it. But as I'm trying to get healthy, I'll stick to MAF for now anyway.

It's one of the criticisms but it probably shouldn't be if you were supposed to have an easy or recovery run planned. I think sometimes it's better to run harder efforts by feel but I think in your case, the monitor was there to remind you that you shouldn't push today. You gotta recover to get the gains.

 

[Ned]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

I was thinking the same thing, from a different perspective. I had a busy Sunday, stayed up late, had a couple of extra drinks, and didn't get much sleep. Yesterday morning started hectic with work, and I wasn't able to get out and run in the morning as planned. I finally headed out the door around lunch time just to get in a few miles on the roads by the house, and just wasn't feeling good. Sure enough, my HR was way higher than it should have been for the effort. I called it at 40 minutes, as I was jogging/walking on flat roads to keep it in the low 140s. Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

I know this is one of the criticisms of HR training, that you it can hurt your workouts if you're a slave to it and non-workout stressors or factors are affecting it. But as I'm trying to get healthy, I'll stick to MAF for now anyway.

I've always considered that a benefit. it helps you be mindful of everything going on with you.

Forgot my watch and radio today, so lunch run was without data. Kind of fun though, just to enjoy being outside and rolling.

This x10000

 

[SFBayDuck]

Training with a heart rate monitor is funny sometimes. Today I had an easy 8 miler on the schedule and I ran with a buddy. 8:35 pace. Nothing special. But my heart rate average was in the 140's! (149 so barely) I know for most this isn't unusual but that's definitely low for me. Aerobic fitness is still probably the weakest part of my running so I'm really hoping this is a sign of things to come.

I was thinking the same thing, from a different perspective. I had a busy Sunday, stayed up late, had a couple of extra drinks, and didn't get much sleep. Yesterday morning started hectic with work, and I wasn't able to get out and run in the morning as planned. I finally headed out the door around lunch time just to get in a few miles on the roads by the house, and just wasn't feeling good. Sure enough, my HR was way higher than it should have been for the effort. I called it at 40 minutes, as I was jogging/walking on flat roads to keep it in the low 140s. Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

I know this is one of the criticisms of HR training, that you it can hurt your workouts if you're a slave to it and non-workout stressors or factors are affecting it. But as I'm trying to get healthy, I'll stick to MAF for now anyway.

I've always considered that a benefit. it helps you be mindful of everything going on with you.

Forgot my watch and radio today, so lunch run was without data. Kind of fun though, just to enjoy being outside and rolling.

This x10000

I totally agree in principle, especially when you're talking about a planned aerobic or recovery run, the HR should hold you back. I hear the criticism more in terms of "quality" workouts that are long enough to use HR on, like tempo runs. Not saying I agree with it, but I know some feel that way.

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[Ned]

That works.

OK, I'm working on it now and will report back once complete.

Done. Group name FBG 10K -- all caps.

I don't know how start corrals work but I put a goal time of 59:59 and gave my marathon time when they asked for a recent race result.

And, what's the deal with having to pay an extra $15 for a tech shirt??

Thanks for setting this up, I joined the 10k group.

Done.

 

[tri-man 47]

It's tempting, but ... I'll have to stay home with the puppy.

Who are you, and what have you done with chad?

 

[tri-man 47]

Really shows what a holistic biofeedback mechanism heart rate is - it wasn't the running that had it jacked too high, it was everything else.

This is exactly why I use HR for longer races. On top of our internal dynamics are the weather and course conditions. My mind can't objectively process all of that, but the HR just does what it needs to do.

 

[Hang 10]

Tough workout today. I had hills today and in Va Beach that means treadmill. It's a nice day so I warmed up with a 3 mile jog outside and then hopped on my treadmill for 7 x 3 minutes uphill @ 5K effort and I was supposed to jog the down hills for recovery. I used one of the those treadmill conversion charts* and decided to do 6% @ 8.8 mph for the uphills and -3% @ 7 mph for the recovery. Climbed over 1000ft. I could definitely use a nap right about now.

* http://www.trinewbies.com/tno_running/run_treadmill_chart.asp

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

 

[MattFancy]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

Feel your pain. I did a half back in Oct 2011. Doing 2 miles now sucks lol. But you gotta start somewhere!

 

[Hang 10]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

That race in Atlanta? If it's the one I'm thinking of that's a big highly competitive race. Also, nice work and welcome to the club.

 

[tri-man 47]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

Feel your pain. I did a half back in Oct 2011. Doing 2 miles now sucks lol. But you gotta start somewhere!

Yup! Just keep at it, and you'll definitely see improvements.

for you both.

 

[Ned]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

Welcome aboard, my brother from another mother!

 

[gruecd]

It's tempting, but ... I'll have to stay home with the puppy.

Who are you, and what have you done with chad?

Tell me about it. The lease on our 4-story downtown condo expires at the end of March, and we (more accurately, "I") just bought a house in the suburbs (Pewaukee). It's a gorgeous town right near an awesome lake/beach (which coincidentally is a hilly 13 miles around), but man, life sure changes in a hurry...

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Hi Friends,

recovering fatass here. I just knocked out a 5 mile in 71 minutes last night. This is probably very slow for you professionals, but a year ago this would have taken me twice that. shooting to get it under an hour and then will be moving up to 10k.

Doing the Peachtree Road Race (10k) for the first time this July. Pray for Mojo.

That race in Atlanta? If it's the one I'm thinking of that's a big highly competitive race. Also, nice work and welcome to the club.

Thats the one. My sister has run it for the past 10 years or so and from what she said it's big, and it's highly competitive in the sense that the first wave of Kenyans will leave a trail of destruction behind them but once you get down to the ham-and-eggers there's so many people running it (I think 60,000 ran it last year) that it's pretty dense and frustrating for the "real runners" who don't get entry into wave 1 or 2.

 

[Hang 10]

So yeah, for some reason I agreed to run in a 100K relay race around some golf course this weekend. I'm not really sure why. It's 2.3 mile loop. 4 person teams. So I'll be running somewhere between 13.8-15.1 miles total. I'm definitely not feeling like going all out for this thing. Probably run at half marathonish effort.

 

[FUBAR]

So yeah, for some reason I agreed to run in a 100K relay race around some golf course this weekend. I'm not really sure why. It's 2.3 mile loop. 4 person teams. So I'll be running somewhere between 13.8-15.1 miles total. I'm definitely not feeling like going all out for this thing. Probably run at half marathonish effort.

that reminds me, we (sister, BIL and me) were supposed to do something similar up in Nashville but we didn't register. Sounds like fun with the right (somewhat drunk) crew.

 

[Ned]

So yeah, for some reason I agreed to run in a 100K relay race around some golf course this weekend. I'm not really sure why. It's 2.3 mile loop. 4 person teams. So I'll be running somewhere between 13.8-15.1 miles total. I'm definitely not feeling like going all out for this thing. Probably run at half marathonish effort.

I've seen this movie before.

 

[Hang 10]

So yeah, for some reason I agreed to run in a 100K relay race around some golf course this weekend. I'm not really sure why. It's 2.3 mile loop. 4 person teams. So I'll be running somewhere between 13.8-15.1 miles total. I'm definitely not feeling like going all out for this thing. Probably run at half marathonish effort.

I've seen this movie before.

But I mean it this time!

 

[Nigel]

Hang posed a question to me in Strave about whether I had a tune up race on the calendar between now and Boston. I do not buy it has me thinking maybe I should. What kind of distance and how long before the marathon should I be considering? And for those who have run a 10k or HM or whatever as part of marathon training how do you approach it...balls out to get a PR or some lesser effort to minimize recovery?

 

[worrierking]

Here's a knee update. It feels pretty good. Good enough that I doubt my problem is a meniscus tear. That's good news in that I don't think I will need surgery, bad news in that my pain was probably the arthritis acting up. I have been doing a lot of strengthening and some gym biking. I am feeling in good shape. I may not be able to control myself much longer and I will try a few minutes on the TM to gauge whether or not I can do any running. My doc follow-up is the 23rd.

Nigel, run a half!

 

[Ned]

Hang posed a question to me in Strave about whether I had a tune up race on the calendar between now and Boston. I do not buy it has me thinking maybe I should. What kind of distance and how long before the marathon should I be considering? And for those who have run a 10k or HM or whatever as part of marathon training how do you approach it...balls out to get a PR or some lesser effort to minimize recovery?

Balls out. Always balls out.

You should rebound from the race pretty quickly to not affect any of your training.

 

[Hang 10]

Hang posed a question to me in Strave about whether I had a tune up race on the calendar between now and Boston. I do not buy it has me thinking maybe I should. What kind of distance and how long before the marathon should I be considering? And for those who have run a 10k or HM or whatever as part of marathon training how do you approach it...balls out to get a PR or some lesser effort to minimize recovery?

Balls out. Always balls out. You should rebound from the race pretty quickly to not affect any of your training.

Very much this.

Also, I think half marathon 5 weeks out or a 10k 3 weeks out is the pfitzinger way.

 

[tri-man 47]

Hang posed a question to me in Strave about whether I had a tune up race on the calendar between now and Boston. I do not buy it has me thinking maybe I should. What kind of distance and how long before the marathon should I be considering? And for those who have run a 10k or HM or whatever as part of marathon training how do you approach it...balls out to get a PR or some lesser effort to minimize recovery?

It can help to get the competitive juices flowing. Also, "race your way into shape" is valid ...the race becomes a really hard training run. My first and then second marathon PRs occurred 13 days and 3 weeks, respectively, after a previous difficult marathon. That's pushing it in terms of recovery, however. I'd lean toward something 5-6 weeks before (during the next-to-last mileage build-up). That allows time to recover and then complete the final stage of training.

 

[Nigel]

Hyannis HM February 28 sounds perfect

 

[JShare87]

I ran the Warrior Dash in Florida today. It was pretty fun and I did ok. My time was somewhere around 37 mins.

 

[ChiefD]

Things I saw on my run this morning:

1. collapsible tent pole

2. kids school notebook

3. chocolate chip cookie in a ziploc bag

4. antler from a christmas reindeer costume

5. bag of dog poo lying on the sidewalk

6. a fork

7. blockbuster card

 

[FUBAR]

Things I saw on my run this morning:

1. collapsible tent pole

2. kids school notebook

3. chocolate chip cookie in a ziploc bag

4. antler from a christmas reindeer costume

5. bag of dog poo lying on the sidewalk

6. a fork

7. blockbuster card

7 seems the most surprising.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Things I saw on my run this morning:

1. collapsible tent pole

2. kids school notebook

3. chocolate chip cookie in a ziploc bag

4. antler from a christmas reindeer costume

5. bag of dog poo lying on the sidewalk

6. a fork

7. blockbuster card

7 seems the most surprising.

Seriously. Is Blockbuster still a thing? They all got converted into yoga studios years ago out here in California.