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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (12 Viewers)

I’d run easy today, and if I felt good tomorrow I’d run the last 3 miles of the long run fast. I wouldn’t want to run 3 workouts in a row.
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Thanks, I was planning on bagging it. Didn't even think of adding it to the end of the long run, that makes perfect sense.

 
Woke up feeling sore like I rode slides at a water park all day yesterday  :whistle:  but short run has me feeling looser and getting excited for a workout/race combo tomorrow.  Moved Thursday tempo run out and will target last 8 of 10m race tomorrow at tempo pace.  Should be enough to narrowly PR that course and stay on track with training plan. Upcoming week and beyond are priority. 

Enjoy the weekend and perhaps a break in the heat!

 
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Thanks, I was planning on bagging it. Didn't even think of adding it to the end of the long run, that makes perfect sense.
I think that plan is fine for a scrambled week.  However, Higdon purposely schedules those pace runs a day before the long run so you’ll be fatigued for the long run. I think that’s kind of his thing.  If you’re going to follow his schedules, you probably don’t want to deviate from that too often.  

 
I think that plan is fine for a scrambled week.  However, Higdon purposely schedules those pace runs a day before the long run so you’ll be fatigued for the long run. I think that’s kind of his thing.  If you’re going to follow his schedules, you probably don’t want to deviate from that too often.  
I know, I remember @MAC_32 pointing that out a while ago and why I even considered doing it. But I thought the potential harm of not allowing any recovery might be worse. I'll be doing the run early so it'll be about 36 hours in between.

Oh, and some great runs this morning from some of you animals. 4 of you with runs of 15+.

 
Weird run today.  With the crazy humid weather, I'd been dreading my 19-mile cutdown run all week.  Got up early this morning and drove to a paved trail about 15 minutes from my house.  When I hit the pavement at 5:24, it was "only" 63° but with 100% humidity....the air was THICK.  Workout called for miles 1-5 at 8-something, 6-10 in the 7:40s, 11-15 in the 7:30s, and 16-19 in the 7:20s.  Nice and easy first mile at 8:32, then 8:15, 7:59, 7:55, and 7:55 for an 8:07 average.  So far, so good.  But when I tried dropping down in the 7:40s, it was a total mind ####, and I just couldn't get comfortable.  I'd slow down, and then speed up, and I just couldn't find a groove.  Miles 6-9 were 7:42, 7:35, 7:36, and 7:41, and then I just said "#### it."  Body seemed to wanna settle in the 7:20s, so I decided to skip the 7:30s and just go with it, and I averaged 7:22 pace for miles 10-19 with the last mile being my fastest at 7:13.

Overall average was 7:37.  Pretty happy with the workout, especially given my lack of confidence going in and the swamp-like conditions. 

 
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Weird run today.  With the crazy humid weather, I'd been dreading my 19-mile cutdown run all week.  Got up early this morning and drove to a paved trail about 15 minutes from my house.  When I hit the pavement at 5:24, it was "only" 63° but with 100% humidity....the air was THICK.  Workout called for miles 1-5 at 8-something, 6-10 in the 7:40s, 11-15 in the 7:30s, and 16-19 in the 7:20s.  Nice and easy first mile at 8:32, then 8:15, 7:59, 7:55, and 7:55 for an 8:07 average.  So far, so good.  But when I tried dropping down in the 7:40s, I just couldn't get comfortable.  I'd slow down, and then speed up, and I just couldn't find a groove.  Next 4 miles were 7:42, 7:35, 7:36, and 7:41, and then I just said "#### it."  Body seemed to wanna settle in the 7:20s, so I decided to skip the 7:30s and just go with it, and I averaged 7:22 pace for miles 10-19 with the last mile being my fastest at 7:13.

Overall average was 7:37.  Pretty happy with the workout, especially given my lack of confidence going in and the swamp-like conditions. 
And your HR was higher during those miles 6-10 at a slower pace than when you went faster from 10+.

Great run.

 
Weird run today.  With the crazy humid weather, I'd been dreading my 19-mile cutdown run all week.  Got up early this morning and drove to a paved trail about 15 minutes from my house.  When I hit the pavement at 5:24, it was "only" 63° but with 100% humidity....the air was THICK.  Workout called for miles 1-5 at 8-something, 6-10 in the 7:40s, 11-15 in the 7:30s, and 16-19 in the 7:20s.  Nice and easy first mile at 8:32, then 8:15, 7:59, 7:55, and 7:55 for an 8:07 average.  So far, so good.  But when I tried dropping down in the 7:40s, it was a total mind ####, and I just couldn't get comfortable.  I'd slow down, and then speed up, and I just couldn't find a groove.  Miles 6-9 were 7:42, 7:35, 7:36, and 7:41, and then I just said "#### it."  Body seemed to wanna settle in the 7:20s, so I decided to skip the 7:30s and just go with it, and I averaged 7:22 pace for miles 10-19 with the last mile being my fastest at 7:13.

Overall average was 7:37.  Pretty happy with the workout, especially given my lack of confidence going in and the swamp-like conditions. 
1. Great run. 

2. 63 degrees? Blow me.

 
63° is great for summer, yes, but the 100% humidity was awful. I was soaked within the first couple miles...and I have the chaffing to prove it.  :(
Yes it does. It was actually quite nice this morning here. About 74 with a 70 dew point.

 
I know, I remember @MAC_32 pointing that out a while ago and why I even considered doing it. But I thought the potential harm of not allowing any recovery might be worse. I'll be doing the run early so it'll be about 36 hours in between.

Oh, and some great runs this morning from some of you animals. 4 of you with runs of 15+.
For a normal week I wouldn't hesitate to still do a recovery in between the pace and long. Higdon has it scheduled back-to-back for a reason, but if your body doesnt respond well dont force it. Mine wasn't ready in March. Maybe next time though. The day between seemed like the right balance for me. The long was still uncomfortable, but it didn't get hard until about 6 miles left instead of the whole thing. 

 
First no-hike Saturday in months.  Was on my way out the door to pick up my friend and he texted that the air quality was 10+ (170 on the AQI US Index).  Forest fire smoke from BC.  So down to the basement for 90 minutes of treadmill. 

Last few days have looked like this.

God I hate the treadmill.  

 
First no-hike Saturday in months.  Was on my way out the door to pick up my friend and he texted that the air quality was 10+ (170 on the AQI US Index).  Forest fire smoke from BC.  So down to the basement for 90 minutes of treadmill. 

Last few days have looked like this.

God I hate the treadmill.  
That sucks. Fat Dog 120 and Plain 100 have both been cancelled due to smoke and fires. We’ve had a bit here, too, and I definitely saw some down at AC100 two weeks ago (blog entry still in the works). It’s totally a huge part of west coast trail running now. But no, global warming isn’t a thing. 

 
Leadville 100 happening right now, and Rob Krar, two time WS100 champ who didn’t register until a couple of days ago, is challenging one of the most solid course records in ultra running in his comeback race. So sick. Listen to his podcast with Billy Yang from this week, great discussion and insight into depression and ultra running. 

 
Annapolis 10m 2018

Edit - Always forget to put the result - 1:22:23 

Local race I enjoy was giving away a particularly boss jacket this year so I was in for a training race. I’ve been off work for the past week on the beach, running and chilling with fam but mainly eating everything. Knew I’d be running longish this weekend one way or another with training so the issue was how to fit it in. I moved my scheduled 5m tempo from Thursday and was going for 5-8m at tempo today instead of 10m at long pace. 

I sort of knew it would be more like a fast finish ~8m tempo if I felt ok which I did. Weather cooled a tad and I took water at most stops to either drink or dump on my head. Ran the hills as even as I could and ended up with a great workout and fun race day too. Stuck around for a post race massage which id never done to help recovery along. Biggest goal was not to compromise this weeks tuesday speed/Thursday tempo/Sunday long schedule and I think I did ok. Were I racing, I would have gone balls the last two-ish miles once I crested the navy bridge on the way back but the rest would have been bout the same. I almost went even harder the last mile and resisted some so hopefully my legs remember that later this week. 

Mentally it felt good to know I had more, I have about 9 more weeks to stretch that tempo pace out as far as I can come race day.

 
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I really loathe long runs most of the time. This morning was just awful. Never felt comfortable, easily my worst run of my training these first 5 weeks.  Sitting here wondering why I'm even bothering with this HM. 

First of all, leg freshness officially gone. And secondly, I have got to find a way to hydrate better during my runs. I think I need to try the CamelBak again. It wasn't even terribly hot, I tried to take it easy, stopped midway at the park for some water and still felt awful by the end and lost over 6 lbs on just a 9 mile run. This has to be why I feel like crap most of the time when I finish. And there was no chance of me pushing on the last 3 miles today.

Ugh, just frustrated.

Seeing @bushdocda's run this morning afterward helps, though. Great job, GB, especially for taking it easier. Definitely seem to be getting faster. And @SteelCurtain at it again with another 20+.  

ETA -- The one nice takeaway is that I wanted to stop and call it way before the end and still finished my run. So there's that, I guess.

 
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Are you hydrating enough BEFORE your runs? If you're scrambling during then it's already over. Wife experienced something similar yesterday, but hers was also a heart rate blow up. 

 
Are you hydrating enough BEFORE your runs? If you're scrambling during then it's already over. Wife experienced something similar yesterday, but hers was also a heart rate blow up. 
Also, what is your nutrition leading up to your long runs? 

For me, I start my long run nutrition plan early in the week for my Saturday run. And on Wednesday I start carb loading. Trust me on this one - before I really started paying attention to this I had some rough long run days. 

Look back on what you ate this whole week and see if there is something there on what you ate. I really have to watch this when back to school and kids sports starts, because its easy to get off track with quick meals and weird dinner times.

 
I really loathe long runs most of the time. This morning was just awful. Never felt comfortable, easily my worst run of my training these first 5 weeks.  Sitting here wondering why I'm even bothering with this HM. 
Around week 5 is tough. You’ve been training long enough to expect to nail the runs but the body reminds you upon occasion that there is still a long way to go. Keep with the training and it will come. It always does.

I wonder how much is mental. Loathing, never feeling comfortable...these seems like signs. And please don’t take that as a slight. The mental challenges of training are real for everyone and might be just as tough as the physical, IMO.

 
Are you hydrating enough BEFORE your runs? If you're scrambling during then it's already over. Wife experienced something similar yesterday, but hers was also a heart rate blow up. 
I think so, and I make sure I drink before (as soon as I got up this morning and more again later).

I'm just a huge sweater and always have been. And with dew points in the 70s, it doesn't help. 5-6 mile runs don't factor, but that extra half hour does me in.

I'll pay attention to it, but I'm pretty sure I do enough with it as I'm a huge water drinker and do think about getting extra during the weekend.

As for nutrition, plenty of carbs and protein. I don't think it's an energy thing.

I'm consistently down several pounds on these runs. I sweat more than virtually anyone I know (always been that way). If anything, I could consider extra salt but I don't think it's that either. 

I think this is also why my HR goes up after 4-5 miles and then I can't get it back down. I kept it low to start today and then hit the downhills for 2nd half of run, kept it easy, and still remained at 160+.

 
Around week 5 is tough. You’ve been training long enough to expect to nail the runs but the body reminds you upon occasion that there is still a long way to go. Keep with the training and it will come. It always does.

I wonder how much is mental. Loathing, never feeling comfortable...these seems like signs. And please don’t take that as a slight. The mental challenges of training are real for everyone and might be just as tough as the physical, IMO.
Oh, no doubt there's a mental part. And I was hopeful as I've done ok on longer runs of late.

I do know that the mental games I was going through for the last half hour were not good. Why am I out here? I'm NEVER doing a full marathon.  Why can't I figure this out? When will this end?

I'm usually a pretty positive person but today was rough. Fact is, I still have yet to hit 30 miles in a week for various reasons and half my plan is about done. It's just frustrating and I know it's not anything you guys haven't gone through. It's just a hurdle for me now but I'll get through it. Just realizing I'm likely going to have to readjust some goals to be realistic about what I'll be able to do. It's all good... I'll get there.

 
Oh, no doubt there's a mental part. And I was hopeful as I've done ok on longer runs of late.

I do know that the mental games I was going through for the last half hour were not good. Why am I out here? I'm NEVER doing a full marathon.  Why can't I figure this out? When will this end?

I'm usually a pretty positive person but today was rough. Fact is, I still have yet to hit 30 miles in a week for various reasons and half my plan is about done. It's just frustrating and I know it's not anything you guys haven't gone through. It's just a hurdle for me now but I'll get through it. Just realizing I'm likely going to have to readjust some goals to be realistic about what I'll be able to do. It's all good... I'll get there.
Every single one of us have gone through this. And still do from time to time. Don’t adjust your goal just yet - your training actually looks like you are on a good track.

You WILL fight through it - you are a pretty talented runner and judging by your commitment to your career AND this, your mental game is plenty strong.

 
Oh, no doubt there's a mental part. And I was hopeful as I've done ok on longer runs of late.

I do know that the mental games I was going through for the last half hour were not good. Why am I out here? I'm NEVER doing a full marathon.  Why can't I figure this out? When will this end?

I'm usually a pretty positive person but today was rough. Fact is, I still have yet to hit 30 miles in a week for various reasons and half my plan is about done. It's just frustrating and I know it's not anything you guys haven't gone through. It's just a hurdle for me now but I'll get through it. Just realizing I'm likely going to have to readjust some goals to be realistic about what I'll be able to do. It's all good... I'll get there.
Something I’ve learned during my last training session that I feel really helped was to stop worrying about it so much. As you said, we’ve all been there. Shoot, I remember my first marathon training program wanting to quit after walking home 3 miles one morning, I believe I shared that experience in here. However, during this past training program, when I started to get negative thoughts and stress about a bad run, I would instantly put an end to it.

You’re going to come out of this funk you’re in. If you keep beating yourself up about it, you’re going to stay in it longer. Take comfort in the fact that you’ve been getting miles in and try to keep a positive mindset. You may bounce back much quicker than you expected. As to the long runs, I was the same way you are. I hated anything over 7 miles. Now, long runs are my absolute favorite. As others tried telling me in here a while back, you’re still very new to running. You are going to continue learning and progressing. Always remember, “it’s more about the process than the results.” Take it easy, Doc!

 
@gianmarco you’re ahead of the curve here in weighing yourself and knowing you are losing too much weight over the course of a longer run. Pay attention to exactly how much water you’re really drinking so you can increase it if needed and, if you don’t mind it, perhaps add some salt.  I picked that up from Kelly Starett book ‘Ready to Run’ to help hold more.  Probably not for everyone though.  Carrying water on runs over ____ miles is just a necessary thing. And the whole ‘drink before you’re thirsty’ is real. 

 
You may also mix in something other than water. Tailwind is good because you mix it in your water and it also adds calories and other necessary nutrients. You can get one that is flavorless if you don’t want to deal with flavored sports drinks.

 
@gianmarcowhen the SI is over 145 there really isn’t too much you can do.  Good job getting the 9 miles in, do you have any flexibility in your schedule and could you get out earlier?  

This weather has been miserable and I haven’t been able to execute my plan and have had to cutback on the miles.

 
Thanks for all the replies. Seriously.

Believer it or not, I'm actually normally laid back and stress free and don't worry about things much. I'm lucky in that sense. Even if I obsess about my runs and numbers and all that, it's more about just a drive to get better and not that I'm kicking myself over things. 

Right now, though, just a ton going on with 3 kids starting 3 new schools, wife with new job and new schedule (which has definitely interfered in me getting out), recent family loss, getting rental ready for new tenants, awful weather, and somewhat busier overnight shifts leading to even less sleep (I work overnight 3x/week, pretty much every other day) and I think this morning was just a little breaking point when it didn't go well. More of a venting than anything else.

Even if I get out earlier, temps/dew points are about the same and I can't do the early morning get out of bed and run. I need to be up and about a bit, eat some food/drink, and then get out. Honestly, the weather wasn't as bad as other days.

I'm going to pay more attention to nutrition/hydration, but trust me, I really don't think that's it. Being Italian and married to an Asian, we eat rice or pasta virtually every day. I don't eat junk food other than desserts here like ice cream. Regular protein and carb intake and plenty of both. My schedule allows me to cook most of the time so I don't think that's an issue.

I am going to try some sports drinks and see if that helps and will try really overdoing it the night before and morning of my long runs to fill up the tank. I'm also going to bring the CamelBak and give it a go (holds 2 liters) and drink early on. I'll figure this out. The reality is that these long runs are still relatively new for me so it's reasonable that I haven't figured it out yet. It's very different than running an hour or less and I have to put more preparation into it compared to what I've done previously.

I already feel so much better after drinking when I got home so I know this is very likely the reason I felt like complete garbage.  And even though I already knew it, it's helpful to remind myself you have all gone through it and it's ok that runs don't always go well. Just need to troubleshoot some.

 
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@gianmarco - keep your head up.  We have all been there.  I have 3 thoughts.

1.  You are not a newbie anymore.  As a newbie, you quickly see advances and you don’t have much to compare it to.  You now have enough experience and knowledge to realize that run A today is harder/slower/etc than the same run a week or two ago.  Mentally, that can be challenging sometimes.  One of the reasons i like my heart rate data is i can go back and tell whether it really was harder or not.  Also, life happens.....we don’t always eat right or sleep well or stressed over work or family.  It all plays a part.

2.  You mentioned your legs weren’t fresh. In many training plans, the point is to run training runs on fatigued legs so when raceday comes and you have tapereed properly and you have fresh legs, you can crush it.  Keep reminding yourself you are a BMF and how awesome it will be to race on rested legs.

3.  Don’t underestimate the heat.  It is physically and mentally draining.   I did 5 days of training in West palm beach in July last year. The humidity at 4:30 am with the heat was insane.  I actually ran on treadmill one day to get my mojo back.  It will get better.   Look at my run today.  This was the first time in nearly a month, the dewpoint was below 70.  It was still 65 but it was glorious.  I was able to pick up my pace dramatically.  Fall is coming.

 
@gianmarco you’re ahead of the curve here in weighing yourself and knowing you are losing too much weight over the course of a longer run. Pay attention to exactly how much water you’re really drinking so you can increase it if needed and, if you don’t mind it, perhaps add some salt.  I picked that up from Kelly Starett book ‘Ready to Run’ to help hold more.  Probably not for everyone though.  Carrying water on runs over ____ miles is just a necessary thing. And the whole ‘drink before you’re thirsty’ is real. 
I need to get better with this. I hate bringing water on a run. Unless I leave a water bottle in my parents’ mailbox, I usually do my long runs without any fluids. I take a tailwind and salt tabs before I go.

 
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@gianmarco - keep your head up.  We have all been there.  I have 3 thoughts.

1.  You are not a newbie anymore.  As a newbie, you quickly see advances and you don’t have much to compare it to.  You now have enough experience and knowledge to realize that run A today is harder/slower/etc than the same run a week or two ago.  Mentally, that can be challenging sometimes.  One of the reasons i like my heart rate data is i can go back and tell whether it really was harder or not.  Also, life happens.....we don’t always eat right or sleep well or stressed over work or family.  It all plays a part.

2.  You mentioned your legs weren’t fresh. In many training plans, the point is to run training runs on fatigued legs so when raceday comes and you have tapereed properly and you have fresh legs, you can crush it.  Keep reminding yourself you are a BMF and how awesome it will be to race on rested legs.

3.  Don’t underestimate the heat.  It is physically and mentally draining.   I did 5 days of training in West palm beach in July last year. The humidity at 4:30 am with the heat was insane.  I actually ran on treadmill one day to get my mojo back.  It will get better.   Look at my run today.  This was the first time in nearly a month, the dewpoint was below 70.  It was still 65 but it was glorious.  I was able to pick up my pace dramatically.  Fall is coming.
Yep. It doesn’t matter the time of day in south Florida during summer, you’re looking at 150+ si. I now have to wake up around 3:30 am in order to do my long runs. My runs need to be finished before the sun pops up, if not, I’m looking at 160+

 
I need to get better with this. I hate bringing water on a run. Unless I leave a water bottle in my parents’ mailbox, I usually do my long runs without any fluids. I take a tailwind and salt tabs before I go.
Glad you have a stash plan in your consistent heat. I’ve tried holding (nope), little bottles on waistband (meh), flipbelt with curved bottle (not bad but need a tighter/smaller size), doofy running/fanny pack thing (ok if I tighten like crazy and good enough for 1 bottle around 90-120 mins) and camelback for longer. They all suck in some way but not as bad as running dry out there.  

I prefer your plan to drop water or out and backs past a stash for anything at a faster pace. 

 
Thanks for all the replies. Seriously.

Believer it or not, I'm actually normally laid back and stress free and don't worry about things much. I'm lucky in that sense. Even if I obsess about my runs and numbers and all that, it's more about just a drive to get better and not that I'm kicking myself over things. 

Right now, though, just a ton going on with 3 kids starting 3 new schools, wife with new job and new schedule (which has definitely interfered in me getting out), recent family loss, getting rental ready for new tenants, awful weather, and somewhat busier overnight shifts leading to even less sleep (I work overnight 3x/week, pretty much every other day) and I think this morning was just a little breaking point when it didn't go well. More of a venting than anything else.

Even if I get out earlier, temps/dew points are about the same and I can't do the early morning get out of bed and run. I need to be up and about a bit, eat some food/drink, and then get out. Honestly, the weather wasn't as bad as other days.

I'm going to pay more attention to nutrition/hydration, but trust me, I really don't think that's it. Being Italian and married to an Asian, we eat rice or pasta virtually every day. I don't eat junk food other than desserts here like ice cream. Regular protein and carb intake and plenty of both. My schedule allows me to cook most of the time so I don't think that's an issue.

I am going to try some sports drinks and see if that helps and will try really overdoing it the night before and morning of my long runs to fill up the tank. I'm also going to bring the CamelBak and give it a go (holds 2 liters) and drink early on. I'll figure this out. The reality is that these long runs are still relatively new for me so it's reasonable that I haven't figured it out yet. It's very different than running an hour or less and I have to put more preparation into it compared to what I've done previously.

I already feel so much better after drinking when I got home so I know this is very likely the reason I felt like complete garbage.  And even though I already knew it, it's helpful to remind myself you have all gone through it and it's ok that runs don't always go well. Just need to troubleshoot some.
Sounds like you've got a lot going on.  Remember that training is a combo of training stress, life stress, and recovery .  Your body can't really tell much of a difference between the various stresses, so if you can't avoid the non-running stressors then you have to either build in more recovery or just give yourself a break in terms of expectations.

As for hydration, that's something you can easily solve for.  There are so many variations out there from hand-helds to belts to packs with bottles on the front to packs with bladders in the back.  Play around with them until you find something you like.  I've got an entire closet full of all of them and use them for various runs, so if you have any questions hit me up.  And use Tailwind, GU Brew, Gatorade, or some other electrolyte mix that works for you, not just plain water, especially when it's hot.

 
Echo duck on the stress. Mine was through the roof in July so I didn't even bother trying for any quality. Wouldn't have been a good workout and only would have added to the fatigue and stress. Factor in the weather too - no chance. 

 
Speaking of packs, I bought a new Ultimate Direction pack this week in an effort to find something that allows me to store my new Black Diamond trekking poles while not using them.  I bought them a month or so ago to take advantage of a sale at a new sporting goods store nearby, and in researching the Grindstone 100 it seems a lot of people use poles so I figure it's time to learn how to use the damn things.  So I get them all set up in the pack, head out, and a strap on the pack breaks less than a mile from my car.  :wall: :rant: Back to the car, swap it out for my old pack, figure out how to strap the wizard sticks in, and head back out to the trails.  I searched out some steep  ups and downs, and it's definitely going to take a while to learn how to use them efficiently.  It just really changes muscle recruitment patterns, both up and downhill, let alone the arm muscles feeling a burn they aren't used to.  I know if I can learn how to use them they'll make me more efficient over gnarly, steep terrain, but it remains to be seen if a month will give me enough time.

 
@gianmarco your body probably adapted to running being the new norm, so when you so quickly went to not running your body didn't know what the hell to do.  But then you got back out there and freshness took over.  Feels like junk, but the pace is relatively fast.  Don't worry, it'll slow down again in a few weeks.  When running becomes normal again, but you're also no longer fresh.  Fun sport, huh?
My body listened to you. Thanks, #######.

 
Q "so what did you do for your birthday?

Me: "took the day off work, got up at 430, swam 42 minutes, dropped the car off for an oil change and tire rotation / alignment, ran home 4.2 miles, rode 42 miles. Then ate, drank a beer, and now I'm taking a nap" 
You forgot compression leggings

 
I think so, and I make sure I drink before (as soon as I got up this morning and more again later).

I'm just a huge sweater and always have been. And with dew points in the 70s, it doesn't help. 5-6 mile runs don't factor, but that extra half hour does me in.

I'll pay attention to it, but I'm pretty sure I do enough with it as I'm a huge water drinker and do think about getting extra during the weekend.

As for nutrition, plenty of carbs and protein. I don't think it's an energy thing.

I'm consistently down several pounds on these runs. I sweat more than virtually anyone I know (always been that way). If anything, I could consider extra salt but I don't think it's that either. 

I think this is also why my HR goes up after 4-5 miles and then I can't get it back down. I kept it low to start today and then hit the downhills for 2nd half of run, kept it easy, and still remained at 160+.
Salt. It’s the salt :)

 
I carry a flask on long runs. 
I don't run long in the heat. This year anyway.

Less than 8 and I'm usually pretty good.  

The bike and swim are so much easier to stay hydrated. But more than 50 and I'll really have to think about stopping somewhere to refill, but I'll be nasty and drinking fountains are hard to find on my route.

 
I finally feel like I’m back, and with no time to spare. 

Its been a hard 5 or so weeks. I’ve been through 2 very different injuries. One taking like 10 days (posterior tibialous), and then right into knee swelling (prolly some miniscus issue, will get imaging after the season). Could I have done a month more of building?  Sure. Could things have gone worse?  Absolutely!  All things considered, I co side myself very fortunate and incredibly grateful. 

As of this moment, i finally feel ready. I did almost 5 hours on the bike with 5k climbing then bricked a 1 hr run.  The suffering on the run felt so good. Once the run was done I knew I was ready. My first half-iron is in 6 days and I feel prepared. 

While I haven’t been posting lately due to my annoyance of not working out, I’ve been keeping up. Glad to see the MAF convos and weather whining is in full swing. 

Remind me tomorrow to post about the mini Tri I did at Boy Scout camp. 

 
I finally feel like I’m back, and with no time to spare. 
Great to hear, @JAA !  And you know the drill: Better to be 100% healthy and 80% trained rather than the reverse.  A 5:1 bike/run brick is awesome.  You're ready for the Half-IM!

And :popcorn:    "One time, at Boy Scout camp ..."

 
Speaking of packs, I bought a new Ultimate Direction pack this week in an effort to find something that allows me to store my new Black Diamond trekking poles while not using them.  I bought them a month or so ago to take advantage of a sale at a new sporting goods store nearby, and in researching the Grindstone 100 it seems a lot of people use poles so I figure it's time to learn how to use the damn things.  So I get them all set up in the pack, head out, and a strap on the pack breaks less than a mile from my car.  :wall: :rant: Back to the car, swap it out for my old pack, figure out how to strap the wizard sticks in, and head back out to the trails.  I searched out some steep  ups and downs, and it's definitely going to take a while to learn how to use them efficiently.  It just really changes muscle recruitment patterns, both up and downhill, let alone the arm muscles feeling a burn they aren't used to.  I know if I can learn how to use them they'll make me more efficient over gnarly, steep terrain, but it remains to be seen if a month will give me enough time.
I've been using them for quite some time.  Not that I can provide any tips for how ultramarathoners use them but I find they add some power on the uphills and stability on the downhills.  When I'm really trying to beat a PR on an uphill segment, I try to shift as much effort to my arms as I can in order to ease the burden on my legs, and it really seems to help.

I don't like running flats (or mostly flat) sections with them, however.  So if you have a quick way to stash them on your pack (sounds like you do) then that would be best.

 
Salt. It’s the salt :)
It's funny you mention this. When you posted that awhile back I started adding a little extra salt to each meal leading up to my long runs. Not sure if it's helping or not, but it certainly isn't hurting at this point. 

I have noticed that when I'm done I haven't had the dried salt sweat on my face like I've had in the past. 

 
It's funny you mention this. When you posted that awhile back I started adding a little extra salt to each meal leading up to my long runs. Not sure if it's helping or not, but it certainly isn't hurting at this point. 

I have noticed that when I'm done I haven't had the dried salt sweat on my face like I've had in the past. 
I've never had the dry salt when I sweat. I can certainly try it and see, though.

 
Not following a plan, but I'm on the "lots of slow running" train this summer.  Finally starting to notice a few things.  

Ran about 4.5 miles this morning, 10:24 pace (which is very comfortable for me right now) and the HR Avg was 137.  I bet its been over 2 years since I averaged under 140 on any run.

Also set a PR on the peloton this weekend on a 60 minute ride.  It was an endurance ride and the goal was to keep the HR in zone 2.  Managing to keep it in zone 2 and set a PR was quite a surprise.  

 

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