Randy Moss 2012 (1 Viewer)

[loose circuits]

Randy Moss has been in a few of my rookie drafts and I have seen him drafted late in the 4th or early 5th round in each league. Isn't this extreme value with the reports that he looks like the Randy of old? Wouldn't one season of top 30 production be worth those type of picks? Do you see him having that type of impact?

With the running game in San Fran and Vernon drawing some coverage. How much will defenses be able to focus on stopping him? Can Alex Smith get him the ball?

 

[Couch Potato]

I'd never burn a roster spot on him, but that's me. People are remembering the 31-32 year old RM. That's not who he is anymore. But people won't believe that, they'll believe the noise they are reading in May and they'll draft him. And it'll be a wasted roster spot.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'd never burn a roster spot on him, but that's me. People are remembering the 31-32 year old RM. That's not who he is anymore. But people won't believe that, they'll believe the noise they are reading in May and they'll draft him. And it'll be a wasted roster spot.

I think he's done. Wouldn't be surprised to see him not make the final roster, actually.

 

[loose circuits]

He doesn't have to be the 31-32 year old Randy to finish in the top 30 and be worth a roster spot. Maybe I fell into the off season hype, but when I hear guys like Donte Whitner and Alex Smith talk about how he looks like he hasn't lost a step it has me intrigued.

If he produces enough he can more than double his $1.75 mil salary so it makes sense for him to work as hard as possible.

 

[Warpig]

They talk about "how good he looks" every year. Randy's problems aren't of the physical variety...they are between his ears. Another thing I don't like is the offense they run. And Alex Smith is not someone who can chuck the ball down field to Moss.

With that said, I have been targetting him late in drafts or if I can get him cheap on waivers. If the guy decides he wants to play he is unstoppable. I'll take a flyer on that potential but only at the right price.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think if you were to go back into history and dig up all the top-30 WRs at age 35 or after, you'd find Jerry Rice and T.O. and a small handful of others, all of whom were obsessed workout freaks and kept in top shape all their careers, and didn't have a history that included taking the previous year off and basically the one before that off, where he was used in Tennessee pretty much as nothing more than a decoy. Compare that small handful to the hundreds or thousands who didn't do that at 35 who had been good to great WRs in their prime. Honestly, there is a very miniscule chance of him coming anywhere close. As Coeur De Lion said, there's a much better chance he never even makes the opening day roster.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im guessing that SF wont throw to him enough for him to have a big impact FF wise.

"best ball" could be a decent WR3/4, in redraft Im sure some other risk taker will give it a shot before I will

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Im guessing that SF wont throw to him enough for him to have a big impact FF wise."best ball" could be a decent WR3/4, in redraft Im sure some other risk taker will give it a shot before I will

Exactly, what's the upside on a team where Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Mario Manningham will likely be option A, B, and C...Moss might be able to do what Plax did if he was starting but all indications are it will be Crabtree/Manningham at the starting spots.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think he's worth a roster spot if you can get him with a rookie 4th or 5th or off the WW. Even if you think he's most likely a spent force and that Alex Smith is going to have a hard time making two players FF relevant, but when you play the 'what if' game Moss is exactly the kind of player you should take a shot on IMO. HOF talents frequently play at a high level longer than folks believe they can, there aren't any legit #1 WRs on the roster (IMO), and if he flakes out, gets cut or doesn't do anything in pre-season or Week 1 you can drop him at virtually no cost.

And in dynasty leagues with deepish rosters there's no opportunity cost to grabbing Moss either since there's most likely no gap between the deep stash you can roster today vs the deep stash you'll be able to roster after Week 1 if you drop Moss.

 

[loose circuits]

I think if you were to go back into history and dig up all the top-30 WRs at age 35 or after, you'd find Jerry Rice and T.O. and a small handful of others, all of whom were obsessed workout freaks and kept in top shape all their careers, and didn't have a history that included taking the previous year off and basically the one before that off, where he was used in Tennessee pretty much as nothing more than a decoy. Compare that small handful to the hundreds or thousands who didn't do that at 35 who had been good to great WRs in their prime. Honestly, there is a very miniscule chance of him coming anywhere close. As Coeur De Lion said, there's a much better chance he never even makes the opening day roster.

Has Randy not been a statistical outlier his entire career?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I think he's worth a roster spot if you can get him with a rookie 4th or 5th or off the WW. Even if you think he's most likely a spent force and that Alex Smith is going to have a hard time making two players FF relevant, but when you play the 'what if' game Moss is exactly the kind of player you should take a shot on IMO. HOF talents frequently play at a high level longer than folks believe they can, there aren't any legit #1 WRs on the roster (IMO), and if he flakes out, gets cut or doesn't do anything in pre-season or Week 1 you can drop him at virtually no cost.And in dynasty leagues with deepish rosters there's no opportunity cost to grabbing Moss either since there's most likely no gap between the deep stash you can roster today vs the deep stash you'll be able to roster after Week 1 if you drop Moss.

Spot on. Manningham is not a big obstacle, Crabtree is probably not a #1... a motivated Randy is a whole different animal than the 2010 Randy. Sure, it is entirely reasonable to think he is done, but I believe everything wdcrob said is exactly right.Would I bet that Randy is capable of another fantasy relevant season? Absolutely. I would bet a 4th/5th round pick. Frankly, you are getting a guy that has a 5-10% (maybe more) chance of relevance versus a rookie with a 2% chance, IMO. As wdcrob said, Randy is a very easy drop if he isn't showing anything early in the season. The opportunity cost of carrying Randy is very low.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

On another team I might be more willing to take him as a last round flyer. I agree that Crabtree and Manningham are far from insurmountable obstacles, but SF wants to run and run some more, and when they do pass, it is high percentage stuff which doesn't play to Moss' strengths at all. IMO the 49ers are the definition of a low-ceiling WR situation. I'd probably bet against ANY SF WR finishing in the top-30 simply based on how the team's offense is likely to look, with the RBs and TEs getting a ton of targets in a passing game that will probably average about 200 yards/game.

 

[MAC_32]

Depends on the roster.

In one dyno I have Andre Johnson and Percy as my 1-2, on the bench I have Mike Thomas + Josh Morgan + David Gettis + Emmanuel Sanders+ Marcus Easley. I took a week 17 flier on Randy last year and plan to keep him. I'm not banking on him, but if 90% of the old Randy is back then I have a great WR3 play. If he doesn't I have a glutton of young guys to filter through.

In the other I have Jennings and Dez as my 1-2 with Laurent Robinson + STL Steve Smith + David Gettis + Austin Collie + AJ Jenkins + Clyde Gates + Juron Criner stashed. Same deal, we have a veteran auction each year and I plan to pursue Randy just to see. If he flops then I dump him for a September waiver guy or if one of my young guys steps up then great.

Basically, if you have a pool of potential starters and need one to emerge I like the flier, also applies if you can get him cheap and don't need a starter. If you're thin at WR or lack quality starters then you should probably take other gambles.

I have one redraft before preseason week 4 (think it's week 1 of camp) and if Randy slips to the bench rounds I may take a shot, but I'm less inclined to since the bench is smaller. Come my other redrafts a lot more will probably be known about Randy at that point, tough to speculate what I'll do then. The early reports are certainly encouraging though...

 

[meatwad1]

I would not bother taking a flyer on Moss. I think their team is going to be worse this year, and it will be a classic case of Moss checking out. Number one, Smith is not very good. Number two, last year the D was essentially injury free...that will not happen again. Next, you have the first place schedule with out of division games against the Packers, Patriots, Bears, Lions, and Saints. Lastly, the division is going to be way better, especially the Hawks and Rams. Without a qb, you are going to see the 49ers in 7 -9 to 9 - 7 range. Moss is not going to make a difference when the qb cannot make throws consistently.

 

[BaBastage]

Fantasy-wise, I expect Randy Moss to be a solid WR2 this season. I also expect Alex Smith to be a low end QB1.

I may be in the minority here. I'm not too concerned about seeing the Raiders' and Titan's Moss. It's true that Randy plays when Randy wants. Those years, Randy didn't want to be where he ended up. But this year, he's playing for a team that wants and welcomed him. He won't be the 2007 version, but I think he'll do just fine.

Definitely a guy I'd take a long shot on if he fell far enough.

We'll see. It's definitely making for an interesting offseason for the 49ers.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Fantasy-wise, I expect Randy Moss to be a solid WR2 this season. I also expect Alex Smith to be a low end QB1.I may be in the minority here. I'm not too concerned about seeing the Raiders' and Titan's Moss. It's true that Randy plays when Randy wants. Those years, Randy didn't want to be where he ended up. But this year, he's playing for a team that wants and welcomed him. He won't be the 2007 version, but I think he'll do just fine.Definitely a guy I'd take a long shot on if he fell far enough.We'll see. It's definitely making for an interesting off season for the 49ers.

It's fantastic you are not following the herd on this however that said you are posting Alex Smith is top12 and I have a hard time putting him into the top20 let alone the top10...the Niners have a ferocious defense and 4 capable RBs now...they were within a few plays of making the Super Bowl...I expect them to ground and pound teams until they bleed. Alex Smith will have his moments and when teams sell out to stop the run all he has to do is lob it out there and a receiver should have some soft one on one at that point. San Fran is that team that almost any veteran QB that has shown a little in their career could walk on to the team and lead them deep into the playoffs. Defense-CheckOLine-CheckStable of RBs-CheckI hope you are right, not cheering for Alex Smith or the Niners to fail, I'm a fan of their brand of football for the most part. I just am not planning on building my passing game around theirs.

 

[spider321]

Moss is finished.

Is Red Grange available?

 

[BaBastage]

MOP, I can't say I completely argue with your logic, I'm mostly basing my prediction on a gut feel. As I said, it's going to be fun to watch it unfold.

 

[Shutout]

As much as I believe Randy Moss can still do it IF he wants to get his head into the game and do it, I think Warpig and CP sum it up nicely and its just not to be.

If he signed with the Saints, or the Chargers, or some team that could say "Ok, turn that speed on and I'll go deep on you a few times a game", I'd say sure. But he's in a spot where their style of play will bore him to death. I just don't think Randy will stay checked in to the game long enough to get 2 shots (and one of those will probably not be thrown deep enough).

I say if the Niners come out 1-2 or 1-3, its over.

 

[johnadams]

I like Moss as a late round flyer in redraft, but wouldn't bother with him in a dyno. Guys like him are perfect roster fillers in redraft. If he starts slow, he's an easy cut for an emerging player, if he has any success early, you can either keep him and hope he maintains it or trade his name value. In dyno, I'd rather let someone else burn a roster spot on him. No need for guys with seemingly limited upside with only a few years left taking up valuable roster space.

 

[FavreCo]

I've seen this topic before. Moss will be on your bench when he goes nuts. Then you will start him and he will lay an egg for you. Then you repeat the process.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I like Moss as a late round flyer in redraft, but wouldn't bother with him in a dyno. Guys like him are perfect roster fillers in redraft. If he starts slow, he's an easy cut for an emerging player, if he has any success early, you can either keep him and hope he maintains it or trade his name value. In dyno, I'd rather let someone else burn a roster spot on him. No need for guys with seemingly limited upside with only a few years left taking up valuable roster space.

The points you made regarding redraft leagues apply equally to dynasty leagues, maybe more so. If Randy comes out of the gate strong, you might be able to flip him for a better long term asset. If you have short benches, then I can see the argument against Randy. Otherwise, the low cost makes him an easy buy, IMO.

 

[chinawildman]

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

Is it the QB, or the structure of the team and the system? Genuine question, as I live in the Midwest and haven't seen a ton of SF. Seems to me that they will be a playoff team / legit contender based on defense and running the ball. I'd think they be protecting leads in the 2nd half the majority of games moving forward. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

 

[mr roboto]

What else you gonna get in the 5th round of a rookie draft?

Seems to me the opportunity cost is really low.

 

[chinawildman]

I'm not sure we should assume the niners will just continue to ground and pound. Why would they acquire Moss, Manningham and draft smallish speedsters like Jenkins and James just so they can play smashmouth football? Hunter and James are both smallish backs that can catch the ball and run effectively out of shotgun which also happens to be Smith's comfort zone as well. I don't think Harbaugh should be labeled as a guy who likes to eke out wins playing it safe. If I were to tell you a year ago that Alex Smith was going to outduel Drew Brees in a shootout in a playoff game, would you have believed me?

It's fantastic you are not following the herd on this however that said you are posting Alex Smith is top12 and I have a hard time putting him into the top20 let alone the top10...the Niners have a ferocious defense and 4 capable RBs now...they were within a few plays of making the Super Bowl...I expect them to ground and pound teams until they bleed. Alex Smith will have his moments and when teams sell out to stop the run all he has to do is lob it out there and a receiver should have some soft one on one at that point.

Is it the QB, or the structure of the team and the system? Genuine question, as I live in the Midwest and haven't seen a ton of SF. Seems to me that they will be a playoff team / legit contender based on defense and running the ball. I'd think they be protecting leads in the 2nd half the majority of games moving forward. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

 

[Dragon1952]

This is a team without a WR1. Manningham, a WR3 at best, Crabtree a WR2 at best...no reason Moss couldn't be the best WR on this team this year.

 

[cvnpoka]

I think if you were to go back into history and dig up all the top-30 WRs at age 35 or after, you'd find Jerry Rice and T.O. and a small handful of others, all of whom were obsessed workout freaks and kept in top shape all their careers, and didn't have a history that included taking the previous year off and basically the one before that off, where he was used in Tennessee pretty much as nothing more than a decoy. Compare that small handful to the hundreds or thousands who didn't do that at 35 who had been good to great WRs in their prime. Honestly, there is a very miniscule chance of him coming anywhere close. As Coeur De Lion said, there's a much better chance he never even makes the opening day roster.

moss compares far more favorably to rice and owens than the group you are trying to place him in.

 

[matuski]

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

I think everyone is completely missing where Moss will help this team. It won't be the deep threat IMO, but the red zone and end zone. If he can catch 20-25 balls in the red zone along with 6-8 TDs, he just drastically improved this team.Deep balls would be icing on the cake.

 

[chinawildman]

I thought we were discussing his FF prospects? The problem Smith has always had is that he doesn't throw his receivers open, or trust them to make the play even if covered.

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

I think everyone is completely missing where Moss will help this team. It won't be the deep threat IMO, but the red zone and end zone. If he can catch 20-25 balls in the red zone along with 6-8 TDs, he just drastically improved this team.Deep balls would be icing on the cake.

 

[matuski]

I thought we were discussing his FF prospects? The problem Smith has always had is that he doesn't throw his receivers open, or trust them to make the play even if covered.

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

I think everyone is completely missing where Moss will help this team. It won't be the deep threat IMO, but the red zone and end zone. If he can catch 20-25 balls in the red zone along with 6-8 TDs, he just drastically improved this team.Deep balls would be icing on the cake.

6-8 TDs would be relevant to fantasy would it not? More or less depending on type of scoring... but relevant none the less.

 

[chinawildman]

That's the thing, WRs are rarely WIDE OPEN in the redzone for TDs, and Smith just doesn't like to take chances. I can't ever recall watching him throw a fade or a back shoulder for a TD and I've watched him his entire career. And that's my point... more often than not, if his WR is covered, Smith would rather throw it where nobody has a chance at it (especially redzone), rather than give his WR a chance to make a play.

I thought we were discussing his FF prospects? The problem Smith has always had is that he doesn't throw his receivers open, or trust them to make the play even if covered.

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

I think everyone is completely missing where Moss will help this team. It won't be the deep threat IMO, but the red zone and end zone. If he can catch 20-25 balls in the red zone along with 6-8 TDs, he just drastically improved this team.Deep balls would be icing on the cake.

6-8 TDs would be relevant to fantasy would it not? More or less depending on type of scoring... but relevant none the less.

 

[ohioplayer]

In our league, we can draft FA's. Moss is available, in a 12 team ppr dynasty league. He sits atop of the ADP list.Before the draft started, I said I wouldn't take him. I have 2 3rd round picks, and I'm second guessing myself. Talk me out of this foolishness.If I don't take him, I plan on taking WR Marvin Jones. We start 3 WR's, here are the WR's currently on my roster.I was the runner up in this league last year, I'm in a win now mode.WR Steve Smith (CAR)WR Hakeem Nicks (NYG)WR Dez Bryant (DAL)WR Antonio Brown (PIT)WR DeSean Jackson (PHI)WR Jerome Simpson (MIN)WR Greg Little (CLE)WR Brandon LaFell (CAR)WR Stephen Hill (NYJ) R

That's the thing, WRs are rarely WIDE OPEN in the redzone for TDs, and Smith just doesn't like to take chances. I can't ever recall watching him throw a fade or a back shoulder for a TD and I've watched him his entire career. And that's my point... more often than not, if his WR is covered, Smith would rather throw it where nobody has a chance at it (especially redzone), rather than give his WR a chance to make a play.

I thought we were discussing his FF prospects? The problem Smith has always had is that he doesn't throw his receivers open, or trust them to make the play even if covered.

I like Moss cheap if Kaepernick somehow ends up playing, Smith just doesn't heave it enough and even when he does he does not have a great deep ball.

I think everyone is completely missing where Moss will help this team. It won't be the deep threat IMO, but the red zone and end zone. If he can catch 20-25 balls in the red zone along with 6-8 TDs, he just drastically improved this team.Deep balls would be icing on the cake.

6-8 TDs would be relevant to fantasy would it not? More or less depending on type of scoring... but relevant none the less.

 

[Treesarepeopletoo]

I like Moss, I just don't like the QB or the offense. I'll say 45 catches 700 yards and 8 TDs.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I would not bother taking a flyer on Moss. I think their team is going to be worse this year, and it will be a classic case of Moss checking out. Number one, Smith is not very good. Number two, last year the D was essentially injury free...that will not happen again. Next, you have the first place schedule with out of division games against the Packers, Patriots, Bears, Lions, and Saints. Lastly, the division is going to be way better, especially the Hawks and Rams. Without a qb, you are going to see the 49ers in 7 -9 to 9 - 7 range. Moss is not going to make a difference when the qb cannot make throws consistently.

Yeah, a lot of tough defenses in there!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm not sure we should assume the niners will just continue to ground and pound. Why would they acquire Moss, Manningham and draft smallish speedsters like Jenkins and James just so they can play smashmouth football? Hunter and James are both smallish backs that can catch the ball and run effectively out of shotgun which also happens to be Smith's comfort zone as well. I don't think Harbaugh should be labeled as a guy who likes to eke out wins playing it safe. If I were to tell you a year ago that Alex Smith was going to outduel Drew Brees in a shootout in a playoff game, would you have believed me?

It's fantastic you are not following the herd on this however that said you are posting Alex Smith is top12 and I have a hard time putting him into the top20 let alone the top10...the Niners have a ferocious defense and 4 capable RBs now...they were within a few plays of making the Super Bowl...I expect them to ground and pound teams until they bleed. Alex Smith will have his moments and when teams sell out to stop the run all he has to do is lob it out there and a receiver should have some soft one on one at that point.

Is it the QB, or the structure of the team and the system? Genuine question, as I live in the Midwest and haven't seen a ton of SF. Seems to me that they will be a playoff team / legit contender based on defense and running the ball. I'd think they be protecting leads in the 2nd half the majority of games moving forward. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

Well in fact that was a ground and pound, smashmouth game until the final two minutes. And the entirety of Smith's dueling went to Vernon Davis with a healthy dose of bad defensive playcalling by one arrogant Gregg Williams.Even if they were overly reliant on TO's to win last year (because that's hard to maintain two years in a row) I get the feeling SF is messing with a good thing if they really plan to start winging it with Manningham, Jenkins, Crabtree, James and Moss.

The fact they went and got Jacobs (and James) might also mean they plan to run it all the more and that would fit what they do best.

 

[Tomfin2000]

In a dynasty league, I wouldn't use a rookie/free agent draft pick on Moss. There are too many intriguing rookie WR prospects in the draft this year that can be had all the way into the 6th and 7th rounds. In my league, he was a RFA and I signed him from another team for $25 ($1,000 cap). If he looks good, I'll sign him to a 1 year deal prior to the start of the season. If he doesn't, I'll drop him, take my $13 2012 cap hit, and move on.

In short, if all you're giving up is a roster spot, a contract year and/or some cap space, why not take a shot? However, if you're using a third or fourth round pick and passing up someone like Marvin Jones, Greg Childs, Jaron Crinner, or even a raw talent like Tommy Streeter, no way. Even at the end of the draft, I'd prefer a guy like Rashard Matthews or Devon Wylie.

For a redraft, if I'm looking at Moss, a bunch of WR4/WR5 types, and some rookies that are probably a year or two out from making a significant impact, guess who I'm picking?

 

[Ballstein]

Randy Moss is still A freak, if he wants to be.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

They talk about "how good he looks" every year. Randy's problems aren't of the physical variety...they are between his ears. Another thing I don't like is the offense they run. And Alex Smith is not someone who can chuck the ball down field to Moss. With that said, I have been targetting him late in drafts or if I can get him cheap on waivers. If the guy decides he wants to play he is unstoppable. I'll take a flyer on that potential but only at the right price.

he certainly didn't have trouble throwing downfield to Vernon Davis. I think the 49ers downfield woes were largely caused by a severely below average receiving corps. If Randy is motivated and reports are that he is, he is easily a wr2 with wr1 upside whenever he steps on the field. Especially with such a solid running game and TE to complement Moss it could be a golden match. If he gets 4 deep play actions a game and he converts on only 2 of those he is already in WR2 pt territory. And that's not counting how they use moss on slants and screens. I'd be very tempted to take moss, but it is a boom/bust pick. Then agan, when those go boom championships are often run away with

 

[spider321]

Randy Moss is still A freak, if he wants to be.

No, he's not.Before, he just didn't WANT to show up half the time.Now, he CAN'T.

 

[mr roboto]

Randy Moss is still A freak, if he wants to be.

No, he's not.Before, he just didn't WANT to show up half the time.Now, he CAN'T.

I keep hearing this distinction.How do we know? Do we know it was lack of talent in MIN and TENN, or that he was moping after getting shopped around?

 

[spider321]

Randy Moss is still A freak, if he wants to be.

No, he's not.Before, he just didn't WANT to show up half the time.

Now, he CAN'T.

I keep hearing this distinction.How do we know? Do we know it was lack of talent in MIN and TENN, or that he was moping after getting shopped around?

Because he is 35 freakin years-old. That's how we know. Move on people....and please don't throw out the name of one guy who could play WR at 35. If you do, I'll be forced to kill this thread by posting the names of the 2,000 guys who couldn't.

 

[mr roboto]

Randy Moss is still A freak, if he wants to be.

No, he's not.Before, he just didn't WANT to show up half the time.

Now, he CAN'T.

I keep hearing this distinction.How do we know? Do we know it was lack of talent in MIN and TENN, or that he was moping after getting shopped around?

Because he is 35 freakin years-old. That's how we know. Move on people....and please don't throw out the name of one guy who could play WR at 35. If you do, I'll be forced to kill this thread by posting the names of the 2,000 guys who couldn't.

OK. Since you know then.Nevermind he is THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED WR IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE.

Guess he's just like all the other 35 year old journeymen WR's. Solid analysis.

 

[spider321]

Nevermind he is THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED WR IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE. Guess he's just like all the other 35 year old journeymen WR's. Solid analysis.

No, he's just like every other 35 year old athlete in the history of ever. He can't do the things physically that he could do when he was 25. ...and since he was a one-trick physical freak, that's all the MORE reason he can't be relevant again. His game was TOTALLY predicated on his physical ability. Now that his speed is greatly diminished, his play will also be greatly diminished.

 

[mr roboto]

Nevermind he is THE MOST PHYSICALLY GIFTED WR IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE. Guess he's just like all the other 35 year old journeymen WR's. Solid analysis.

No, he's just like every other 35 year old athlete in the history of ever. He can't do the things physically that he could do when he was 25. ...and since he was a one-trick physical freak, that's all the MORE reason he can't be relevant again. His game was TOTALLY predicated on his physical ability. Now that his speed is greatly diminished, his play will also be greatly diminished.

Again, 'speed greatly diminished' Do we know this, or is this one of those 'he's 35, so it must be true' assumptions?BTW, I'm not arguing he WILL be good this year, I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of message board experts who KNOW things that, quite frankly, we simply don't know.He could be a red-zone monster, especially with defenses needing to account for VD as well. I don't think his age is gonna hamper his ability that much to be taller and better jumper than the DB's.

 

[Eminence]

It's this simple people,

1.) He's arguably one of the games greatest wideouts.

2.) He's 35 years old.

3.) He hasn't secured a roster spot.

4.) He doesn't have a spectacular QB throwing to him.

5.) He can be had for peanuts.

If you want him, take him. Laugh at us when he goes off for 100 / 2TD.

If you don't want him, don't. Laugh when your lottery ticket enters the starting lineup and has a breakout year.

He's a lottery ticket and is valued as such. There's valid arguments on both sides of the coin.

No one is taking him very early and if he falls far enough he WILL make his way onto one of your teams. There's no reason for any of this debate given where he will be drafted.

 

[spider321]

Again, 'speed greatly diminished' Do we know this, or is this one of those 'he's 35, so it must be true' assumptions?

It's not an assumption, he's 35, so it IS true.

I don't think his age is gonna hamper his ability that much to be taller and better jumper than the DB's.

Does age hamper his height? No.Does age hamper his jumping? Yes.I agree with Eminence. Randy Moss IS a lottery ticket this year. You have a 1 in 2.5 million chance of him not being a complete waste of your money.

 

[jurb26]

Again, 'speed greatly diminished' Do we know this, or is this one of those 'he's 35, so it must be true' assumptions?

It's not an assumption, he's 35, so it IS true.

I don't think his age is gonna hamper his ability that much to be taller and better jumper than the DB's.

Does age hamper his height? No.Does age hamper his jumping? Yes.I agree with Eminence. Randy Moss IS a lottery ticket this year. You have a 1 in 2.5 million chance of him not being a complete waste of your money.

What money? The guy is being picked up off of waivers and in the back end of rookie drafts. Moss' fantasy situation is more like finding a free lottery ticket on the street. You're point makes no sense.

 

[Nagle2998]

I keeping hearing its because he didnt want to play for the Vikings or the Titans but his numbers with the Vikings were just as good or better then the handful of games he had with New England that year. People kepping sayings Belicheck traded him because of his contract but why didn't he traded any other players on the last year of his deal. I think he dealt Moss because Moss was done it happens to everyone even freaks like Moss.

 

[jurb26]

I keeping hearing its because he didnt want to play for the Vikings or the Titans but his numbers with the Vikings were just as good or better then the handful of games he had with New England that year. People kepping sayings Belicheck traded him because of his contract but why didn't he traded any other players on the last year of his deal. I think he dealt Moss because Moss was done it happens to everyone even freaks like Moss.

He traded Moss because he felt Moss was a problem in the locker room and Moss was going at it with assistant coaches. Moss put up very good numbers in that short stretch in NE. In essentially 3 games he had 140 yds and 3 TDs. In the 4th and final game he played in NE he wasn't targeted even one time and was run as a decoy the entire game. I have never heard anyone say he was traded from NE because of his contract.