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Wow that's crazy. What was his ypc if you have it? Moss' is 16.7 now I believe, which is also pretty unreal for that amount of catches with that catch rate.
Fixed. This is a new Randy Moss. This is a Randy Moss that celebrates when his teammates score and hasn't brought an ounce of attention onto himself. Things could very well change if things take a turn for the worse for the Pats (which I doubt), but until then, he's done nothing but positive things since arriving.
Ah, I see, I stand corrected. He is a good leader RIGHT NOW. Pretty easy to lead when things are going well.
I get it, its a JOKE.
What are you, 15? Or was Rice merely a product of the WCO? Who cares if Moss is a leader? He's a phenomonal player. Though I don't expect his catch percentage to stay this high.
If 7 TDs in 4 games is beyond imagination, what would you think of a wide receiver who caught 14 TDs in a 6-game stretch, and 22 in a 12-game season?I'm guessing you didn't see Jerry Rice.
Just curious.... were you also tracking his catch rate when he was a Viking and a Raider or is this some new-found obsession?
Why is being a leader so important? Seems to me that I'd much rather have a WR that catches 99% of his targets at 29 YPC who sucks as a leader over a mediocre WR who is a great guy.What am I missing?
Steve Largent?
Wonder if he was actually a decent congressman.
Moss has always had spectacular hands. As much as people like to criticize him (and I wonder why some players just draw criticism, but that a study for another time) he is one of the all time best WRs. In our current generation that does put him up with Harrison, but he still stands in the historical group of greats like Rice and Largent.What has impressed me this year is how many "short" routes Moss will run. Seems to be in prior stints, the OC typically used Moss only as a burner, which he has played well as. But in NE, they are forcing him to play the complete receiver he is, and he has stepped up.What also impressed me, is if you weren't looking at the number or name on the back, you didn't know if it was Moss that caught the ball... he didn't do ANYTHING to bring attention to himself.
Read what he said again. I interpreted that as Moss now battling it out for 2nd with Harrison in his view. That still leaves a fairly obvious number 1.
Which, in itself, is a great point about Moss. It's not like Keyshawn "Overrated" Johnson, whining about getting the ball. Moss doesn't care who gets the ball as long as the TEAM wins!
Moss was great in Minnesota when they were winning, as things went downhill, so did Moss' attitude. Oakland was losing when he was there... and he didn't/couldn't focus on being a great WR. Now in NE they're winning and he's playing some great football. I've always been impressed with his physical skills, but not so much with his attitude. A player of his skills should work to make plays even when the team is losing to help get the team going again. He doesn't do that.
Reading comprehension down?
Reading comprehension down?
Little misunderstanding here. I was saying that either Moss or Harrison is the 2nd best Ive seen. Obviously behind Rice. Straight.
Who cares if Moss is a leader? He's a phenomonal player. Though I don't expect his catch percentage to stay this high.
So, that's how I feel about his career. Should I start a thread to state it?
Even John Rambo needs a Colonel Trautman. Not everybody is a leader.
thanks, Im pretty aware of the man. Had him on my fantasy team in the early/mid 90s when he was the man. didnt see him....thats good. That great Rice season was 20 years ago. And we're comparing Moss to Rice. I think that's the point.
exactly. and there are many forms of leadership. "by example" has always been a pretty good one. Im just glad he's doing it now in New England.
when he was here, he often caught quick outs or slants and then ran through the defense. he was used as a burner a lot too, but he did catch his fair share of short passes too.
Moss is on pace for 28 Tds in a 16 game season. Which is just slightly less per game than Rice.
I would say that he is a leader when he is in a situation that and plays on a team/in a system that he believes in.To say that he wasn't a leader on a team (Raiders) where he didn't get along with the coaching staff that was under utilizing him, is unfair. In that situation, they didn't want him to be a leader. They didn't even want him as a player.Ah, I see, I stand corrected. He is a good leader RIGHT NOW. Pretty easy to lead when things are going well.
I don't get this post. Was youz tryin to be ironical?So, that's how I feel about his career. Should I start a thread to state it?So ?
teach our children that no matter how bad a guy may have been in the past, everyone should be given a chance to redeem themself. I know it would be nearly impossible for any Raiders fans, but forgiveness of people is important, imo. He behaved like a kid in past years. He was spoiled. he didnt work hard. he hated losing. he should be remembered for that. But if the guy moves forward and is able to pick up the pieces and live up to his potential he should atleast be recognized. that's all.
Ah yes, so we'd be saying the same thing if the Pats suddenly traded him to the oh, let's see....um, Bills?! He has seen the light only because he is in a winning situation."Play like a champion today kids, well, as long as everything is going your way."
Yeah, he was Johnny Rah-Rah-Go-Team-Go in Oakland for a few weeks when he first came to Oakland. And we were told that he was moving forward, and had matured, and what a great teammate he was, and a hard worker.Not for nothing, but I have never heard that he wasn't a hard worker, and I think most of his teammates love the guy.
he's a scumbag that can help the Pats win.
With very few exceptions, WRs are by nature arrogant, selfish SOBs. They're happy when things are going well and pissy when things are going bad. That's not a trait you find in many good leaders.The juxtaposition of Moss and Johnson last night is the perfect example. Most people think of Moss as the bad seed, but there he was high fiving teammates all night long. Johnson is known as the the light-hearted entertainer, but there he was jawing with his QB.All I would ever ask from a WR is to make the play when the ball is thrown to him.
I can't think of a less apt comparison. Rodman was a guy with very few physical skills compared to the rest of the players in the league. Rodman's success was 100% due to the fact that he busted his butt, all game, on every play and every rebound. Randy is a guy with, I would say, the best set of physical skills ever seen on a WR, who has had limited success because he doesn't work hard.I agree with the comments that his character will be tested when the Pats hit a spot of adversity, not when they're rolling over the opponents like they are now. His play has been great, but that's partly because he's had no reason to sulk.pizzatyme said:
And yet he has still caught 31 of 34 targets this year (7 for TD's I might add). Not really sure why his *past* leadership issues are relevant to this thread. Luckily my league dropped the "leadership" stat this season. Only ones that matter are the yards and TD's.pizzatyme said:
Cal, you read wayyyy too much into what I posted. I said they are both gifted at what they do. Rodman was a gifted rebounder, no? Moss is a gifted WR.Both are gifted. Rodman happened to be gifted with work ethic.
