Randy Moss from here on out (1 Viewer)

[beavers]

Wow, without Brady you wouldn't even know that Moss is on the team. Is it time to bench him until the offense gets turned around in NE?2 for 22 last week4 for 25 this weekouch!!!!

Why do you feel the need to start another thread on Moss?Is it notoriety of getting your name listed as the OP???

 

[Lobary]

Felix Jones & Devery Henderson or Selvin Young & V Jackson. those offers are just as insulting.. wow..

o'rly?

 

[NatronIsMean]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

Really you think so? I really don't buy that. Anyone with half a fantasy football mind will know that it's all down hill.

Well, anyone with half a mind would have traded Moss the week Brady went down. There were quite a few "sharks" in this thread laughing at the idea that Moss ' value would drop below that of a WR #1. There are still owners who would take him.

Honestly, I think you're knocking a straw man here. I tried to trade Moss in deals for Wayne, Colston, and a few others. All denied. I think most of us Moss owners have had our head on straight - we just haven't been able to trade him, period.

 

[mcd]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

Really you think so? I really don't buy that. Anyone with half a fantasy football mind will know that it's all down hill.

Well, anyone with half a mind would have traded Moss the week Brady went down. There were quite a few "sharks" in this thread laughing at the idea that Moss ' value would drop below that of a WR #1. There are still owners who would take him.

Honestly, I think you're knocking a straw man here. I tried to trade Moss in deals for Wayne, Colston, and a few others. All denied. I think most of us Moss owners have had our head on straight - we just haven't been able to trade him, period.

Go re-read the first 50 posts of this thread. Lots of "sharks" arguing Moss was still a top 5 WR, laughing at the thought that he might not be a #1 anymore. If you weren't included in that group, then I wasn't talking about you. I'm not really surprised that you couldn't get Wayne for him, aiming a little high there. Colston it would depend on if it was before or after his injury was revealed. I'm talking about a top 20 WR not a top 12.

 

[millertyme1]

Dealt him and Chris Perry yesterday for Addai and S.Holmes.

Truth be told, I'm ecstatic even with Holmes doing nothing (as I feel I got the best of both portions of the deal). At least Holmes has a QB. I thought post-Brady, Moss would be a Top 15 WR. I'm not so sure anymore. He may struggle to finish in the Top 25.

I think 8 TD's would be a success. I don't think Cassell throws more than 15 TD's this year. This is Kyle Orton in a Pats uni.

 

[Lobary]

I just logged on to my league's site and learned that the Moss owner was able to deal his seriously disappointing #1 pick last night.

He landed Braylon Edwards and Ronnie Brown in return.

Unf'nbelievable.

 

[george]

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[Liquid Tension]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

It is JMO... what can I tell ya? I will say this. *If both players stay healthy*, there is no chance Moss outscores Marshall the rest of this year.And I made no mention of dynasty, though I'd still take Marshall.

NO chance?

That's what I wrote, yes.I'd put money on it, too. How about you?

OK, with considering it is "NO" Chance, how about I bet a dollar at 1 million to one odds? C'mon stop with the hyperbole that anyone would be guaranteed to outscore one of the best WR's in the game. Could it happen, sure, is it likely sure, but NO chance is absurd.

 

[JaxJokers]

I just traded Ronnie Brown for Moss, and I feel alright about it. PPR league, and we start 2 RB's and 3 WR's, I'm left with

Reggie Bush

Steven Jackson

Chris Johnson

Steve Slaton

Laurence Maroney

Chester Taylor

Brandon Marshall

Andre Johnson

Randy Moss

Torry Holt

Mark Clayton

 

[Lobary]

I just traded Ronnie Brown for Moss, and I feel alright about it. PPR league, and we start 2 RB's and 3 WR's, I'm left withReggie BushSteven JacksonChris JohnsonSteve SlatonLaurence MaroneyChester TaylorBrandon MarshallAndre JohnsonRandy MossTorry HoltMark Clayton

Even though I'm not high on Moss's chances of rebounding this year, that's a solid trade for you. You gave up just enough, and who wouldn't take him as a WR3? OTOH, I've been flogging the guy in my league who traded for Moss because Edwards and Ronnie Brown is way too high a price to pay for an underperforming stud WR with a backup QB underthrowing him the ball. Sure, Braylon's sucked too, but I think he has a better chance of posting strong fantasy numbers because he's getting targeted but not catching the ball. The dropsies will stop.

 

[Debeucci]

10 targets in week 3 is a step in the right direction, but according to Rotoworld:

Boston Globe: Randy Moss was seen sitting alone on the sidelines at some points during the Patriots' Week 3 loss to Miami.Rotoworld Commentary: Shades of Oakland. Moss was also alligator-arming passes Sunday, a habit for him under Art Shell and Norv Turner. We thought Moss would take more upon himself after Tom Brady's injury, but this indicates he isn't.

I think Moss deserves a week or two after the bye to prove he and Cassel can right the ship, but that's about it. If by week 6 he's still not putting up the numbers, he may be untradeable, so if you can get some value for him now, might not be a bad idea. If you're holding him like I am, keep your fingers crossed.Any homers out there able to give us some insight we haven't already heard?

 

[fasteddie_21]

Just moved him w/ garrard & LJ for JStew, Boldin and Edwards.I'm happy since Moss really is an enigma, wrapped in bacon, going forward, imo.

 

[David Yudkin]

10 targets in week 3 is a step in the right direction, but according to Rotoworld:

Boston Globe: Randy Moss was seen sitting alone on the sidelines at some points during the Patriots' Week 3 loss to Miami.

Rotoworld Commentary: Shades of Oakland. Moss was also alligator-arming passes Sunday, a habit for him under Art Shell and Norv Turner. We thought Moss would take more upon himself after Tom Brady's injury, but this indicates he isn't.

I think Moss deserves a week or two after the bye to prove he and Cassel can right the ship, but that's about it. If by week 6 he's still not putting up the numbers, he may be untradeable, so if you can get some value for him now, might not be a bad idea. If you're holding him like I am, keep your fingers crossed.Any homers out there able to give us some insight we haven't already heard?

Not sure why I would want to put this out for general consumption given that I want to scoop him up in all my leagues first, but since you asked . . .From what I am hearing, the Pats are ramping up the practice regimen for O'Connell with the new plan (allegedly) to have Cassel hold down the fort until O'Connell is ready. And before people ask . . . NO, THE PATS WON'T COME OUT AND SAY THAT, so there is no link.

What that translates into for a timeframe is hard to guess, and who knows if at all if Cassel can right the ship. My guess would be that if the offense stays as anemic as it has been that O'Connell could start Week 7 at home against the Broncos or Week 8 against the Rams.

The next question is what that would do for Moss, and one would have to think that it would help, as his numbers so far have been pretty sparse. I hear O'Connell throws a decent deep ball, so he should have that over Cassel . . .

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Good info, Dave. I said it in another thread and I'll say it here, Cassell won't be the starter for the rest of the year. I didn't know who or what would be starting but New England isn't going to have that guy starting the rest of the season for him.

If you own Cassell like me, you're not even really concerned but you know the guy is no good. I've started him twice and he's disappointed and he's not going to get any better.

We saw what the meaning of a loss of a QB is to a great wide receiver when you don't have a capable backup when Delhomme went down and Smith couldn't produce. Smith had some spotty games but he became almost unstartable because you couldn't rely on him.

As good as Moss is, it's the same situation. Sure, Moss might come back in week 5 and have the spotty game I'm talking about, but it's just as likely he has 4 catches for 50 yards too.

New England's game plan is to win 19-10 just like they did over the Jets. Grind it out with the many RB's they have and play solid defense. As amazing as it is after the offensive juggernaut we saw last year, there's not a player on that team I'd take in the first 3 rounds if we redrafted.

I feel today that Moss is that same guy who I passed early in the 3rd round going into last season. I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.......and we're in week 3 and they were 2-0.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Awesome information as always. Thanks Yudkin.

 

[David Yudkin]

I feel today that Moss is that same guy who I passed early in the 3rd round going into last season. I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.......and we're in week 3 and they were 2-0.

Here's the story on the alligator arms play where Moss basically made little effort to catch the ball. According to Belichick, he spoke to Moss and Randy explained that he was not aware the ball was coming and didn't see it until it was too late. Feel free to believe or bash as you wish . . .

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.....

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.....

Given that the Pats had 45 players in the same boat against the Phins, I'd say Moss was no worse than any of his teammates.

 

[RudeDog]

Sounds like the Pats are panicking. They desperately want to replace Cassel, but really, how much of an upgrade can O'Connell be. I wouldn't trade for Moss just on the hope that in week 7 a new QB (with no experience) will miraculously start playing like Brady.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.....

Given that the Pats had 45 players in the same boat against the Phins, I'd say Moss was no worse than any of his teammates.

None of the other Patriots have a reputation for being the biggest front-runner in the history of sports.When things are going well, it's "Wow, I had no idea what a great teammate Randy is!" When things aren't going well... look out. Once a quitter, always a quitter. It's a character flaw of his everyone needs to accept. And before someone brings up the Raiders situation, what team was he playing for when he walked off the field against the Redskins with time remaining on the clock?

 

[BUD GRANT]

Boston Globe: Randy Moss was seen sitting alone on the sidelines at some points during the Patriots' Week 3 loss to Miami.Rotoworld Commentary: Shades of Oakland. Moss was also alligator-arming passes Sunday, a habit for him under Art Shell and Norv Turner. We thought Moss would take more upon himself after Tom Brady's injury, but this indicates he isn't.

The Pats need to keep Randy in the game as much as possible or he will revert to his bad boy ways!Hide the water bottles and make sure Randy doesn't leave the sidelines until the game clock hits zero! As long as he feels he's a big part of the game he will be o.k. and only take an occasional play off here and there.

 

[Debeucci]

Eagles' reserve QB Feeley to Patriots?

A.J. Feeley, third quarterback, Philadelphia. He's played in some big games — he nearly beat the Patriots at New England last year when Donovan McNabb was hurt — and the Eagles would be willing to talk about him because of their comfort level at backup quarterback with Kevin Kolb. Would the New England Patriots be interested in Feeley?

He's somewhere between Clint Longley and Jim Plunkett in terms of a guy who might have a chance to play effectively with a good team around him. He's the guy I'd try to deal for, but remember one thing: The Eagles always try to beat teams into submission on trades; anything more than a fifth-round pick in 2009 would be too much.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Ea...?urn=nfl,110081Saw this at the Yahoo "Rumor" page. Can never tell on that site if it's legitimate, or just some guy behind a computer making up fantasy scenarios. Oh well. Share what you got. My view is that there are not too many teams in the league that want to make the Pats any better than they are right now.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Eagles' reserve QB Feeley to Patriots?

A.J. Feeley, third quarterback, Philadelphia. He's played in some big games — he nearly beat the Patriots at New England last year when Donovan McNabb was hurt — and the Eagles would be willing to talk about him because of their comfort level at backup quarterback with Kevin Kolb. Would the New England Patriots be interested in Feeley?

He's somewhere between Clint Longley and Jim Plunkett in terms of a guy who might have a chance to play effectively with a good team around him. He's the guy I'd try to deal for, but remember one thing: The Eagles always try to beat teams into submission on trades; anything more than a fifth-round pick in 2009 would be too much.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Ea...?urn=nfl,110081Saw this at the Yahoo "Rumor" page. Can never tell on that site if it's legitimate, or just some guy behind a computer making up fantasy scenarios. Oh well. Share what you got. My view is that there are not too many teams in the league that want to make the Pats any better than they are right now.

BB has demonstrated a lack of interest in Simms, Rattay, Culpepper, etc due to lack of familiarity with the Pats playbook, so it's hard to believe they would give a lot for Feeley.

 

[TommyGilmore]

From what I am hearing, the Pats are ramping up the practice regimen for O'Connell with the new plan (allegedly) to have Cassel hold down the fort until O'Connell is ready. And before people ask . . . NO, THE PATS WON'T COME OUT AND SAY THAT, so there is no link.What that translates into for a timeframe is hard to guess, and who knows if at all if Cassel can right the ship. My guess would be that if the offense stays as anemic as it has been that O'Connell could start Week 7 at home against the Broncos or Week 8 against the Rams.The next question is what that would do for Moss, and one would have to think that it would help, as his numbers so far have been pretty sparse. I hear O'Connell throws a decent deep ball, so he should have that over Cassel . . .

C'mon Dave, gimme a break. O'Connell isn't going to save that offense.

 

[David Yudkin]

From what I am hearing, the Pats are ramping up the practice regimen for O'Connell with the new plan (allegedly) to have Cassel hold down the fort until O'Connell is ready. And before people ask . . . NO, THE PATS WON'T COME OUT AND SAY THAT, so there is no link.What that translates into for a timeframe is hard to guess, and who knows if at all if Cassel can right the ship. My guess would be that if the offense stays as anemic as it has been that O'Connell could start Week 7 at home against the Broncos or Week 8 against the Rams.The next question is what that would do for Moss, and one would have to think that it would help, as his numbers so far have been pretty sparse. I hear O'Connell throws a decent deep ball, so he should have that over Cassel . . .

C'mon Dave, gimme a break. O'Connell isn't going to save that offense.

I'm not saying he's going to save the offense . . . I'monly reporting what I am hearing. Moss would be better off with O'Connell. Still not a great option, but better than Cassel.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I'monly reporting what I am hearing. Moss would be better off with O'Connell. Still not a great option, but better than Cassel.

Why? Because he can (allegedly) throw the ball farther? That's it?

 

[David Yudkin]

I'monly reporting what I am hearing. Moss would be better off with O'Connell. Still not a great option, but better than Cassel.

Why? Because he can (allegedly) throw the ball farther? That's it?

Beacuse the offense has moved better when O'Connell has been in (at least in the preseason and briefly against the Dolphins).

 

[NeverEnough]

O'Connell won't do anything worth noting THIS season. I'm glad I was able to move Moss for Burress

 

[Debeucci]

O'Connell won't do anything worth noting THIS season. I'm glad I was able to move Moss for Burress

now this was helpful.

 

[RICK ROMO]

A Moss owner in our 1 PPR league wants to trade me Moss straight across for Welker and I think I am going to do it. I would rather roll with the potential Moss gives me.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'm positive I saw multiple plays in that game versus Miami where he didn't go all out.....

Given that the Pats had 45 players in the same boat against the Phins, I'd say Moss was no worse than any of his teammates.

None of the other Patriots have a reputation for being the biggest front-runner in the history of sports.When things are going well, it's "Wow, I had no idea what a great teammate Randy is!" When things aren't going well... look out. Once a quitter, always a quitter. It's a character flaw of his everyone needs to accept. And before someone brings up the Raiders situation, what team was he playing for when he walked off the field against the Redskins with time remaining on the clock?

 

[Debeucci]

Moss owner here. Just browsing Wikipedia and found the following excerpt on Moss. I'm hoping it's all in his past, and he's up to the challenge that lies ahead of him.

Lack of effort

On November 14, 2006, Moss was honored for his success in college as a kick returner by having an award named after him, becoming only one of two black athletes (along with John Mackey) so honored. During the press conference, Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood."[29] Days later, he reiterated his unhappiness with losing games and being a member of the Raiders on his weekly segment with Fox Sports Radio, saying, "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."[30] Moss made similar comments during his tenure with the Vikings, when he infamously proclaimed, "I play when I want to play."[31]

On May 15, 2007, more than two weeks after the trade to New England, Moss was called out by his former Raiders coaches. His former offensive coordinator, Tom Walsh, who was fired from the Raiders after Oakland's 2–14 losing season, said of Moss, "Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills...Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career." Walsh also reported that Moss told him, "'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.'"[32] However, Moss stated the losing seasons on the Oakland Raiders negatively affected his playing and discouraged him during the team's practice: "...Losing sometimes can get contagious, but as a player I can't let that settle in, and I think that's one of the things that bothered me [in Oakland]. I didn't want it to set in and it didn't set in. It was just really nerve-racking that it was hard for me to win."[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Moss

 

[aburt19]

A Moss owner in our 1 PPR league wants to trade me Moss straight across for Welker and I think I am going to do it. I would rather roll with the potential Moss gives me.

I would never do that in a PPR league. Welker is getting a lot of looks in the offense and will still have value with Cassell.

 

[nxmehta]

My question is WHY ON EARTH is Moss ranked where he's at in the Top 250 going forward?

This thread has not done wonders for me as a Moss owner to believe that he is going to bounce back this year. I mean, we're talking about bringing O'Connell in to bring Moss' numbers up? That does not inspire confidence?

 

[PoolShark]

Call me crazy, but I'm looking to acquire him on the cheap if I can. I find it hard to believe greener pastures aren't on the horizon for a guy with his potential. After playing with Brady all this time, there has to be a learning curve when you throw a new QB into the mix.

In a PPR league I just offered the Shockey owner Driver & Scheffler for Moss & Engram. FBG Trade Dominator shows me fleecing the guy, but even with my positive outlook on Moss I think they have him rated too high going forward.

I still have Calvin J, Boldin & Holt at WR, plus Winslow & O Daniels at TE, so if Moss flames out the move won't kill me. I'd probably be willing to give him Holt instead of Driver if he wanted more. I think it's worth the potential payoff, though it would be a little more risky if you didn't have the depth I have at WR & TE....

 

[tombonneau]

Call me crazy, but I'm looking to acquire him on the cheap if I can. I find it hard to believe greener pastures aren't on the horizon for a guy with his potential. After playing with Brady all this time, there has to be a learning curve when you throw a new QB into the mix.In a PPR league I just offered the Shockey owner Driver & Scheffler for Moss & Engram. FBG Trade Dominator shows me fleecing the guy, but even with my positive outlook on Moss I think they have him rated too high going forward. I still have Calvin J, Boldin & Holt at WR, plus Winslow & O Daniels at TE, so if Moss flames out the move won't kill me. I'd probably be willing to give him Holt instead of Driver if he wanted more. I think it's worth the potential payoff, though it would be a little more risky if you didn't have the depth I have at WR & TE....

Pats homer who just put in an offer for Moss as well. He is quintessential buy low candidate. I'm convinced this is the nadir of his 2008 value and it will be rising from here. If you can afford to trade for Moss and not really be forced to start him if you get him, it's a great play. I'm offering a backup RB for him straight up (low RB2 value in our league), and given the guy is flush at WR but has no real RBs has a chance to be accepted.

 

[Billy Bats]

I wrote off Moss as soon as Brady limped off the field. Now if I only had the cajones to bench him. I know as soon as I do, he'll put up 125 and 2tds. At least he's forced to sit this week.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

I just gave up LJ for Moss. Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson & R Moss at Flex

 

[Raider Nation]

Call me crazy, but I'm looking to acquire him on the cheap if I can. I find it hard to believe greener pastures aren't on the horizon for a guy with his potential.

I thought so too. And I kept waiting. And waiting. And waiting. For two years.

 

[bad-golfer]

Moss had 3 rec in 7 mins with Brady ...

and he has 9 rec in 173 mins with Cassel

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

its over for Moss might get lucky get a TD here and there but at best it's 800 6 tds...

this comeing from a Moss owner..

 

[two_dollars]

what else can I do but keep him? I mean.. how can you possibly get good value for him at this point? I'd rather just say, ok, he #### the bed this year, so I need to get someone else in my lineup for now and either sell after a suprisingly good week or see if O'Connel catches lightning in a bottle.

 

[Marc Levin]

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

There is not a single post on this last page that hints anyone believes this.There may be a few folks who posted after week 2 who thought that, but I don't think anyone seriously believes he has top-5/top-10 potential.

 

[beavers]

what else can I do but keep him? I mean.. how can you possibly get good value for him at this point? I'd rather just say, ok, he #### the bed this year, so I need to get someone else in my lineup for now and either sell after a suprisingly good week or see if O'Connel catches lightning in a bottle.

I agree. I tried very hard to trade away Moss in a package deal. Unfortunately, no luck. It's looking very grim for us Moss owners. If he has a breakout game after the bye week, what do you do? Sell him or keep him? The only thing we have left is hope for a big game and in the meantime, keep pumping him up.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

There is not a single post on this last page that hints anyone believes this.There may be a few folks who posted after week 2 who thought that, but I don't think anyone seriously believes he has top-5/top-10 potential.

Check the Top 250 Forward list. This site thinks he's top 3.

 

[beavers]

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

There is not a single post on this last page that hints anyone believes this.There may be a few folks who posted after week 2 who thought that, but I don't think anyone seriously believes he has top-5/top-10 potential.

Check the Top 250 Forward list. This site thinks he's top 3.

Exactly. I've been FBG member for years but have recently started to question their quality. I am waiting for their results on their statistical analysis on the positive correlation to their rankings and actual game stats.

 

[-baller]

Moss had 3 rec in 7 mins with Brady ...and he has 9 rec in 173 mins with Cassel

cassel had the ball 173 min?

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm sure it was an oversight by Dave, but I can't speak for him. He has sole possession of that feature.

 

[Da Guru]

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

There is not a single post on this last page that hints anyone believes this.There may be a few folks who posted after week 2 who thought that, but I don't think anyone seriously believes he has top-5/top-10 potential.

Check the Top 250 Forward list. This site thinks he's top 3.

I have a hard time believing people rely on that list.

 

[beavers]

and you guys think he still has a shot at top 5-10 lolol

There is not a single post on this last page that hints anyone believes this.There may be a few folks who posted after week 2 who thought that, but I don't think anyone seriously believes he has top-5/top-10 potential.

Check the Top 250 Forward list. This site thinks he's top 3.

I have a hard time believing people rely on that list.

There are several factors to look at in addition to this list. But as a paying subscriber, you'd expect more.

 

[bad-golfer]

Moss had 3 rec in 7 mins with Brady ...and he has 9 rec in 173 mins with Cassel

cassel had the ball 173 min?

Dude you get the idea if you don't then just keep thinking Moss is a top wr