Randy Moss from here on out (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

As a Moss owner, not much to do - can't get value for him AND he is going into the bye week.

The fact is, we need to hope for a couple things... most important, the team needs to come together and get a QB - Cassel doesnt seem to be it, perhaps O'Connell (that his name?) who can run the offense better.

With two weeks of practice, hopefully they are working on getting it to moss. Moss seems to have lost a step, but he has looked like that before and then caught 25 TDs in a season... if the team can stay competitive AND they can work on their Brady-less offense a little, Moss can be a top 10 WR easily. But they could continue to falter and we have to deal with this schlock all year.

Right now, you arent going to get value for him, so we better hope for the best over the bye week in terms of gettign that offense right.

 

[NeverEnough]

As a Moss owner, not much to do - can't get value for him AND he is going into the bye week.The fact is, we need to hope for a couple things... most important, the team needs to come together and get a QB - Cassel doesnt seem to be it, perhaps O'Connell (that his name?) who can run the offense better.With two weeks of practice, hopefully they are working on getting it to moss. Moss seems to have lost a step, but he has looked like that before and then caught 25 TDs in a season... if the team can stay competitive AND they can work on their Brady-less offense a little, Moss can be a top 10 WR easily. But they could continue to falter and we have to deal with this schlock all year.Right now, you arent going to get value for him, so we better hope for the best over the bye week in terms of gettign that offense right.

You can still get value for Moss. I sent Romo & Moss packing for Brees & Burress.

 

[blake]

Call me crazy, but I'm looking to acquire him on the cheap if I can. I find it hard to believe greener pastures aren't on the horizon for a guy with his potential.

absolutely. i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

 

[Raider Nation]

i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

Did the guy buy you dinner first, at least?

 

[two_dollars]

i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

Did the guy buy you dinner first, at least?

I would think that including items outside of FF like dinner would be against the spirit of the game, and shouldn't be included in trades.

 

[blake]

i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

Did the guy buy you dinner first, at least?

your overwhelming moss bias aside which has been well documented, chambers hasn't done that much better than moss this season up to date, and with disturbingly few targets. it was a gamble i was willing to take.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

 

[Wildcat]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

 

[Raider Nation]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

That doesn't count though. He mailed it in because he had bad QBs who couldn't get him the ball.That won't happen in New Eng...... oh, wait.

 

[two_dollars]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

That doesn't count though. He mailed it in because he had bad QBs who couldn't get him the ball.That won't happen in New Eng...... oh, wait.

I don't think NE as an organization can be compared to whatever is going on in Oakland. They will certainly stand for a lot less. MUCH higher expectations.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

That doesn't count though. He mailed it in because he had bad QBs who couldn't get him the ball.That won't happen in New Eng...... oh, wait.

I don't think NE as an organization can be compared to whatever is going on in Oakland. They will certainly stand for a lot less. MUCH higher expectations.

Exactly. Anyone who would compare the two is just not very bright.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

I would of rejected that easily. I expect Driver/Moss to end up with similar #'s & unless I'm in a no RB PPR & TE 1+ PPR league, I'd take Johnson over Gonzo.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

Did the guy buy you dinner first, at least?

your overwhelming moss bias aside which has been well documented, chambers hasn't done that much better than moss this season up to date, and with disturbingly few targets. it was a gamble i was willing to take.

Seriously? I've been under the impression that Chambers has been having a decent season...

 

[Wildcat]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

That doesn't count though. He mailed it in because he had bad QBs who couldn't get him the ball.That won't happen in New Eng...... oh, wait.

I don't think NE as an organization can be compared to whatever is going on in Oakland. They will certainly stand for a lot less. MUCH higher expectations.

Exactly. Anyone who would compare the two is just not very bright.

Sure, let's turn this into a name calling match. Not very bright = assuming Moss' work ethic is at the same level as his talent. I don't care what the expectations are in NE. "Expectations" do not equal winning which is what Moss needs to keep his head in the game.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

I would of rejected that easily.

Of course you would have.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

O'Connell won't do anything worth noting THIS season. I'm glad I was able to move Moss for Burress

now this was helpful.

knowing the market is helpful. It wasn't like he asked if he though moss or buerress would do beter this year.

 

[blake]

i just dealt chris chambers for moss. i couldn't resist rolling the dice.

Did the guy buy you dinner first, at least?

your overwhelming moss bias aside which has been well documented, chambers hasn't done that much better than moss this season up to date, and with disturbingly few targets. it was a gamble i was willing to take.

Seriously? I've been under the impression that Chambers has been having a decent season...

he's been doing well with his 35% catch rate, but 6 catches in 3 games? that was enough to make me a lot more concerned about chambers than i am with a proven star like moss. i'd rather take my chances with the proven star.

 

[two_dollars]

Dude in my league just offered me Moss and Gonzo for Donnie Driver and Chris Johnson (both on my bench). I couldn't hit Accept fast enough. Moss is too great of a talent to suck all year.

You've heard of his years in Oakland, right?

That doesn't count though. He mailed it in because he had bad QBs who couldn't get him the ball.That won't happen in New Eng...... oh, wait.

I don't think NE as an organization can be compared to whatever is going on in Oakland. They will certainly stand for a lot less. MUCH higher expectations.

Exactly. Anyone who would compare the two is just not very bright.

Sure, let's turn this into a name calling match. Not very bright = assuming Moss' work ethic is at the same level as his talent. I don't care what the expectations are in NE. "Expectations" do not equal winning which is what Moss needs to keep his head in the game.

I didn't mean expectations for number, I meant expectations for character. Do you honestly think NE will sit there and let Randy pout and sulk all day every day like the inept Raiders did? HELL NO they won't, they'd bench him, trade him, cut him, take his money, kick his dog, whatever.. but they would NOT let it go without doing anything. Al Davis is not running the Patriots. NE has a higher image than Oakland and I'm sure they'd like to keep it. Will this help Randy? Maybe maybe not, but it won't drag on like it did in Oakland where no one cared. I'm willing to bet if it got worse, Tom himself would have a sit down with Randy and keep him motivated so they can pick it back up next year.

 

[Texican]

No one should be valuing Moss the same as they did prior to week 1. I would say his value is like that of last year prior to the season - a big question mark. (I think he was a 5th or 6th rounder last year if I recall correctly.)

As a Moss owner, there is no way I am expecting top 5 numbers. Hell, Lee Evans > Moss right now. Moss has the potential to win you some games when he goes off, but the consistent high scoring week to week is no longer there. The Pats passing game is not the same as last year - Moss owners just need to accept this.

 

[turfman]

I haven't read the whole post so excuse me if I'm repeating something.

Has anyone watched a NE game the past two weeks? He shows zero effort. He is alligator arming every throw that comes his way. He does not block anymore on run plays. He doesn't care anymore because he knows they can't win it all.

I am glad I was able to get rid of him. Good luck Moss owners. You are going to need it.

 

[Ripleys]

I own him in 2 dynasty leagues, and I'm treating him this year like a player that is on IR. He'll stay on my bench unless I have no other options. This year will mirror his Raiders seasons. He knows his team's QB sucks, and he's just not motivated. Its really pathetic. Say what you will about TO, but he still tries hard every game. Randy only plays when he wants to. What a waste.

 

[SharkBait]

I'm sure it was an oversight by Dave, but I can't speak for him. He has sole possession of that feature.

Wait, what? How the hell do you overlook putting Randy Moss in the proper place in the rankings???I figured out a long time ago those rankings are at the same time reactionary and conservative. Some players have a big game and they jump too far up, but established "names" like Randy Moss seem to move down grudgingly because no one wants to have Randy Moss sitting at around 20 and the light come on for a QB and he starts kicking butt. Then you'll have people screaming that they traded away Moss and it's all FBG's fault.

 

[The Dude]

People keep stating that based on the Oakland experience that Moss will go in the tank. Yes both teams had poor QB play - but that's where the comparison stops. NE is still a top class organization with great leadership (and still is) - Oakland was the opposite (and still is).

 

[-baller]

People keep stating that based on the Oakland experience that Moss will go in the tank. Yes both teams had poor QB play - but that's where the comparison stops. NE is still a top class organization with great leadership (and still is) - Oakland was the opposite (and still is).

this is just the same bunch of people who made that same ####### prediction last year before week 1, trying to convince everyone around them that signing randy was a mistake, randy would ruin the pats, etc, and it was really just wishful thinking because they wanted to see randy fail and the wanted to see the pats fail.so, he lights up the jets in week 1, and they just keep on saying that next week will be the week he wrecks the team until the end of the season rolls around, he's got 20+ td's, and they're all saying how he's not putting out effort on the field.they will keep on predicting this, and being wrong, the next 5 years, if that's what it takes, hoping for the day to finally come when they can tell eveybody "I told you so!".it's really very similar to all the predictions of doom every week for the pats, last year ---- no run game, no defense, sd will take them down -- it's a revenge game!...no, wait.....make that wash....uhm...pitt!.....how about indy....jax will do it for sure....maybe sd again -- they want more revenge!....giants?? --- I TOLD YOU SO!!

 

[nxmehta]

I'm sure it was an oversight by Dave, but I can't speak for him. He has sole possession of that feature.

He's moved down to 8. That's still pretty high?Realistically, where do Pats homers think he will end up? Is he a buy low or sell high?

 

[nxmehta]

Moss' next 4 games:

@ SFO

@ SDG

DEN

STL

From a passing defense perspective, those are some amazing matchups. If Moss is going to do anything this year, he's going to have to torch these teams.

Although the MIA and NYJ matchups were very good too... I guess it depends on whether or not you think Belichick can get Cassel ready to play after the bye week.

 

[unckeyherb]

As a Moss owner, not much to do - can't get value for him AND he is going into the bye week.The fact is, we need to hope for a couple things... most important, the team needs to come together and get a QB - Cassel doesnt seem to be it, perhaps O'Connell (that his name?) who can run the offense better.With two weeks of practice, hopefully they are working on getting it to moss. Moss seems to have lost a step, but he has looked like that before and then caught 25 TDs in a season... if the team can stay competitive AND they can work on their Brady-less offense a little, Moss can be a top 10 WR easily. But they could continue to falter and we have to deal with this schlock all year.Right now, you arent going to get value for him, so we better hope for the best over the bye week in terms of gettign that offense right.

I traded Marvin for him in my main money league. He is my WR3 behind Andre Johnson and Braylon Edwards (neither of which are living up to potential either). Still think he can turn it around. They've had two weeks to work on getting him the ball. Cassel is not Brady, but Moss is still moss. If the offense can get near the RZ, just throw it 15 feet in the air and Moss will come down with it. He's still the best scoring option at WR in the league. He plays San Fran, San Diego, Denver, St. louis over the next four weeks. I'll bet he walks out of those 4 matchups with 6 TD's. IMHO the very definition of buy low.

 

[ourmanflint]

As a Moss owner, not much to do - can't get value for him AND he is going into the bye week.The fact is, we need to hope for a couple things... most important, the team needs to come together and get a QB - Cassel doesnt seem to be it, perhaps O'Connell (that his name?) who can run the offense better.With two weeks of practice, hopefully they are working on getting it to moss. Moss seems to have lost a step, but he has looked like that before and then caught 25 TDs in a season... if the team can stay competitive AND they can work on their Brady-less offense a little, Moss can be a top 10 WR easily. But they could continue to falter and we have to deal with this schlock all year.Right now, you arent going to get value for him, so we better hope for the best over the bye week in terms of gettign that offense right.

I traded Marvin for him in my main money league. He is my WR3 behind Andre Johnson and Braylon Edwards (neither of which are living up to potential either). Still think he can turn it around. They've had two weeks to work on getting him the ball. Cassel is not Brady, but Moss is still moss. If the offense can get near the RZ, just throw it 15 feet in the air and Moss will come down with it. He's still the best scoring option at WR in the league. He plays San Fran, San Diego, Denver, St. louis over the next four weeks. I'll bet he walks out of those 4 matchups with 6 TD's. IMHO the very definition of buy low.

That's some WR core you got there. If those guys all come back you might break some scoring records.

 

[Beggin4Par]

Look at this week's FBG projections.

Randy is ranked behind every one of these WRs.

Lance Moore

Roy Williams

Roddy White

Domenik Hixon

Greg Camarillo

Reggie Brown

Are we seriously talking about him being of any value? I have him and wished for better, but all of these guys except Roy Wms. could have been plucked off the waiver wire.

Time to package him with a RB to a team that's hurting and get back what value is left. I'd jump through hoops for guys like Braylon, Andre Johnson, maybe even Colston.

Tell me I'm , but the writing is on the wall.

 

[thayman]

Look at this week's FBG projections.

Randy is ranked behind every one of these WRs.

Lance Moore

Roy Williams

Roddy White

Domenik Hixon

Greg Camarillo

Reggie Brown

Are we seriously talking about him being of any value? I have him and wished for better, but all of these guys except Roy Wms. could have been plucked off the waiver wire.

Time to package him with a RB to a team that's hurting and get back what value is left. I'd jump through hoops for guys like Braylon, Andre Johnson, maybe even Colston.

Tell me I'm , but the writing is on the wall.

The writing was on the wall when Brady got hurt.

 

[two_dollars]

I managed to involve him in a trade to get rid of him with good/decent value.. which means now he'll come back and go off every game.. even more so when I play him!

 

[Bears_Man2]

I'd be surprised in Moss finished in the Top 25 WR's unless a vet QB is picked up. I think after Week 3 would of been best....to give a couple weeks to be acquainted, so that leads me to believe they'll ride with what they've got.

I dealt him and Perry for Addai and Holmes immediately after the Brady injury, I'm now counting my dealings. I'd really take any WR2 over Moss at this point. (I've never been the type to hold onto a guy because I took him 1st/2nd round. If the situation is dreadful looking, I'll accept it immediately and move on).

 

[Das Boot]

I'd be surprised in Moss finished in the Top 25 WR's unless a vet QB is picked up. I think after Week 3 would of been best....to give a couple weeks to be acquainted, so that leads me to believe they'll ride with what they've got.

I dealt him and Perry for Addai and Holmes immediately after the Brady injury, I'm now counting my dealings. I'd really take any WR2 over Moss at this point. (I've never been the type to hold onto a guy because I took him 1st/2nd round. If the situation is dreadful looking, I'll accept it immediately and move on).

Yep... most people can't get over that mental hurdle though.

 

[Rogi]

Any Vikes fan and Raiders fan (if there is such a thing) will testify to the fact that Randy will give up when things aren't going his way. He went to NE because they had Brady and he wants a ring. If Moss hasn't lost motivation yet, he will soon. If you can get anything for him worth value, I'd trade this waste of amazing talent. His fantasy value will be low without a good QB plus his fading will to perform at a high level.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

Belicheat won't allow him to give up. Moss get's on track this week.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I haven't read the whole post so excuse me if I'm repeating something. Has anyone watched a NE game the past two weeks? He shows zero effort. He is alligator arming every throw that comes his way. He does not block anymore on run plays. He doesn't care anymore because he knows they can't win it all.I am glad I was able to get rid of him. Good luck Moss owners. You are going to need it.

We'll talk later...

 

[-baller]

bump

 

[Abstract]

I can't wait to see this thread get bumped up and hear the spin after Moss puts up 120 yards and 2 TD's against the 49ers this Sunday.

 

[Da Guru]

I can't wait to see this thread get bumped up and hear the spin after Moss puts up 120 yards and 2 TD's against the 49ers this Sunday.

I am not sure that can happen and it will not be Randys fault. Casell is not that good.Why the Pats left themselves so vulnerable at the backup QB spot is puzzling.

 

[Mimo]

I can't wait to see this thread get bumped up and hear the spin after Moss puts up 120 yards and 2 TD's against the 49ers this Sunday.

If it happens you better sell to the highest bidder. It is all about effort and trust now with Moss. He will give the effort if he trust the QB throwing him the ball, I just don't see him trusting his QB so minimal effort will be offered up.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

I can't wait to see this thread get bumped up and hear the spin after Moss puts up 120 yards and 2 TD's against the 49ers this Sunday.

If it happens you better sell to the highest bidder. It is all about effort and trust now with Moss. He will give the effort if he trust the QB throwing him the ball, I just don't see him trusting his QB so minimal effort will be offered up.

I hate the Patriots and Belichick (Steeler fan), however I think a lot of people are selling short his coaching / his system. Not to minimize Brady's talents, but this guy was behind Henson in College, some of the credit has to go to the Cheat. Now if he can do 1/4th the work with Cassell after a couple of weeks, Randy should have no problem ending in the top 20.Just my two pennies

 

[loose circuits]

wow, one loss for the Pats in 20 some straight regular season games and people immediately jump ship. While Oakland Randy may have had glimpses in week 3, this is not a losing organization. They are going to find ways to win ball games and Randy will be a huge part of that...

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I can't wait to see this thread get bumped up and hear the spin after Moss puts up 120 yards and 2 TD's against the 49ers this Sunday.

If it happens you better sell to the highest bidder. It is all about effort and trust now with Moss. He will give the effort if he trust the QB throwing him the ball, I just don't see him trusting his QB so minimal effort will be offered up.

I hate the Patriots and Belichick (Steeler fan), however I think a lot of people are selling short his coaching / his system. Not to minimize Brady's talents, but this guy was behind Henson in College, some of the credit has to go to the Cheat. Now if he can do 1/4th the work with Cassell after a couple of weeks, Randy should have no problem ending in the top 20.Just my two pennies

I congratulate you on your ability to separate hatred (a natural football fan reaction) from assessment (a necessity for fantasy football). BTW, Brady was Griese's backup at Michigan.

 

[joffer]

bump

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I haven't read the whole post so excuse me if I'm repeating something.

Has anyone watched a NE game the past two weeks? He shows zero effort. He is alligator arming every throw that comes his way. He does not block anymore on run plays. He doesn't care anymore because he knows they can't win it all.

I am glad I was able to get rid of him. Good luck Moss owners. You are going to need it.

We'll talk later...

turfman gets po\/\/ned!

 

[blake]

suddenly my faith in moss is renewed.

 

[thayman]

suddenly my faith in moss is renewed.

He's doing what I expected since Brady got hurt......He will throw up some clunkers because of poor QB play, then toss in a few studly games. It will be up and down all year like this...hopefully it's up come play off time.

 

[blake]

suddenly my faith in moss is renewed.

He's doing what I expected since Brady got hurt......He will throw up some clunkers because of poor QB play, then toss in a few studly games. It will be up and down all year like this...hopefully it's up come play off time.

congrats, you're a genius then. his clunkers are what most expected; today was different and gives hope to those who were justifiably skeptical about moss without brady.

 

[thayman]

suddenly my faith in moss is renewed.

He's doing what I expected since Brady got hurt......He will throw up some clunkers because of poor QB play, then toss in a few studly games. It will be up and down all year like this...hopefully it's up come play off time.

congrats, you're a genius then. his clunkers are what most expected; today was different and gives hope to those who were justifiably skeptical about moss without brady.

Not a genius.....just don't really have any other options. I've got him in a keeper where I can't get fair trade value for him, so I'm stuck regardless and just tell myself he will have great games mixed in with clunkers, proably just to make myself feel better.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

Cassel actually showed he could throw it deep, which is all it takes with Moss.

Looked promising, but we'll see this week whether it was an aberration.