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Randy Moss not Feeling the Love (1 Viewer)

If anything, I think this motivates him for a big paycheck next year somewhere else, so his numbers could only go up in this situation.

 
If anything, I think this motivates him for a big paycheck next year somewhere else, so his numbers could only go up in this situation.
If he didn't have serious emotional issues/psychological problems that would make sense but I have a feeling Randy can go off the deep end without the need of a flip of the switch. These problems always scare me come draft time, the guy is very unpredictable.
 
If anything, I think this motivates him for a big paycheck next year somewhere else, so his numbers could only go up in this situation.
As much as I want to agree with you (as a Moss owner), he has history...http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/MossRa00-2.php
First off, those 2 down years he only played 13 games. If anybody can have a 150yd/3TD game, its Moss, so 3 games is pretty meaningful.Also, I think the Oakland situation in 2006 might as well be thrown out because he wanted out of there because they were 1 of the worst teams in the NFL. He can win the SB this year with the Patsies.

I dont recall if Culpepper was injured during any part of the 2004 season, but like I said Moss missed 3 games and still got 13 TDs that year (3rd best for a WR)

 
Can we spell affect correctly?

I think that the Pats brass will tell him that they don't do business like other teams, and if he's performing at a top level midway through the season, they'll give him 2 years more. I don't think it AFFECTS him at all.

 
If anything, I think this motivates him for a big paycheck next year somewhere else, so his numbers could only go up in this situation.
As much as I want to agree with you (as a Moss owner), he has history...http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/MossRa00-2.php
First off, those 2 down years he only played 13 games. If anybody can have a 150yd/3TD game, its Moss, so 3 games is pretty meaningful.Also, I think the Oakland situation in 2006 might as well be thrown out because he wanted out of there because they were 1 of the worst teams in the NFL. He can win the SB this year with the Patsies.

I dont recall if Culpepper was injured during any part of the 2004 season, but like I said Moss missed 3 games and still got 13 TDs that year (3rd best for a WR)
I don't remember exactly why Moss wanted out of MIN...but I thought there was money and respect involved...
 
wouldnt be surprised if the real reason the brady contract isnt finalized is because brady's camp is putting pressure on the org to do something with moss.

 
I'd temper expectations of Moss. Chris Gasper reported last week that Moss was seen at the Kraft's big season kickoff/cancer awareness event last week in full pouty form.

Such was the case Wednesday night at the Patriots' Charitable Foundation Kickoff Gala at Gillette Stadium.Moss was disengaged and aloof. While his teammates sat at tables with fans who had paid premium dollar for the honor of breaking bread with a Patriot in the name of charity, Moss was M.I.A.Not in a charitable mood, he sat alone by an auction table with his headphones on during the formal part of the festivities. While guest speakers talked about their family's battles with cancer and Patriots owner Robert Kraft took to the dais to implore cancer screening, awareness and prevention, a misanthropic Moss kept his distance.Comcast SportsNet showed video afterward of Moss turning down an adult autograph request. The signature-seeker asked Moss if he was excited for the start of the season, and the receiver's reply was succinct: "Nope."Moss's behavior was at best childish and churlish and at worst disrespectful to the man that signs his check, Kraft, to whom the Gala is like opening his home. It's understood that Moss doesn't like signing autographs for adults -- he has a point there, by the way -- but this was a charity event. Moss wasn't even paying attention when his good buddy, Vince Wilfork, won the team's Ron Burton Community Service Award.
 
I'd temper expectations of Moss. Chris Gasper reported last week that Moss was seen at the Kraft's big season kickoff/cancer awareness event last week in full pouty form.

Such was the case Wednesday night at the Patriots' Charitable Foundation Kickoff Gala at Gillette Stadium.Moss was disengaged and aloof. While his teammates sat at tables with fans who had paid premium dollar for the honor of breaking bread with a Patriot in the name of charity, Moss was M.I.A.Not in a charitable mood, he sat alone by an auction table with his headphones on during the formal part of the festivities. While guest speakers talked about their family's battles with cancer and Patriots owner Robert Kraft took to the dais to implore cancer screening, awareness and prevention, a misanthropic Moss kept his distance.Comcast SportsNet showed video afterward of Moss turning down an adult autograph request. The signature-seeker asked Moss if he was excited for the start of the season, and the receiver's reply was succinct: "Nope."Moss's behavior was at best childish and churlish and at worst disrespectful to the man that signs his check, Kraft, to whom the Gala is like opening his home. It's understood that Moss doesn't like signing autographs for adults -- he has a point there, by the way -- but this was a charity event. Moss wasn't even paying attention when his good buddy, Vince Wilfork, won the team's Ron Burton Community Service Award.
Randy Moss has always been "aloof." I'm not sure what that has to do with him catching footballs.
 
If anything, I think this motivates him for a big paycheck next year somewhere else, so his numbers could only go up in this situation.
As much as I want to agree with you (as a Moss owner), he has history...http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/MossRa00-2.php
First off, those 2 down years he only played 13 games. If anybody can have a 150yd/3TD game, its Moss, so 3 games is pretty meaningful.Also, I think the Oakland situation in 2006 might as well be thrown out because he wanted out of there because they were 1 of the worst teams in the NFL. He can win the SB this year with the Patsies.

I dont recall if Culpepper was injured during any part of the 2004 season, but like I said Moss missed 3 games and still got 13 TDs that year (3rd best for a WR)
I don't remember exactly why Moss wanted out of MIN...but I thought there was money and respect involved...
He didn't want out. He was traded right before the Wilfs bough the team and was shocked and hurt by the move. Some say Zygi wanted it as a condition for buying the team, but this is a report that he's always strongly denied. Randy has always wore his emotions on his sleeve.
 
I don't remember exactly why Moss wanted out of MIN...but I thought there was money and respect involved...
I always figured it was a 'Moss or Culpepper' kind of situation at the end of his time in Minnesota. I'm curious to see if he keeps pouting and talking to the media after Brady finally gets his new deal finalized.
 
While there is not much to base it on, I have a sense that Moss has "grown up" a little - at least as long as he is playing for NE with their leadership (BB and Brady) and their winning ways.

I think he will play this year as well as he has the last two. I put my money where my mouth is as I drafted him as my WR1.

 
Moss must be pissing of Belichick, the Patriots policy has always been keep quiet with the media. I think he is writing his ticket out of town after this season. Hopefully he ends 2010 with a bang.

 
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He should listen to that song "Where is the Love?" by the Black Eyed Peas. In addition to being thorougly rocked out he would then know where the love is and would be able to locate it and feel it.

 
Randy Moss leaves New England next year to dominate Minnesota with Favre for 1 last year and 1 last championship...... maybe more.

Yes im drunk, but think about it...

 
I have Moss on one of my teams this year, but honestly, nothing will surprise me from him this year. If he goes off and has the best numbers of any WR this year, I won't be surprised. If he tanks it like he did in Oakland and leaves NE with his tail between his legs, I won't be surprised.

 
Put me in the camp that says "Tom Brady wants Randy Moss to get an extension too". I also believe the Pats brass will work with Moss once Brady is locked in. He might not get a "huge payday", but I think they'll offer something significant. Moss may be an enigma, but he's also a nearly unstoppable force combined with Brady's accuracy.

Are the Pats going to have a shot at any other high profile WR's if Moss leaves? How good to they feel about rolling out Brandon Tate and their shiny new rookies (Hernandez and Price) alongside Welker next year? I know a lot can happen...but do you really let Moss walk so easily given the fact that you know he has emotional struggles when he feels "unwanted"but ELITE talent? Kraft might be pissed after this latest fiasco, but he's also a wise man that knows what he has in the Brady/Moss combo. I think he pays Moss and gets another 3-4 Elite/Very solid years out of him.

 
I love Moss, but I'm not a huge fan of him this year. I think Moss owners should take this seriously (though I'm not sure what they could do about it).

No reason to over-think this. Moss says he feels unwanted and sounds rather unhappy about his situation in NE. He plays for an organization that hates people speaking publicly. He just did, which seems to be a sign that these feelings are rather serious. This is certainly a cause for concern and I don't see how it can be seen as anything but negative.

The situation in 2007 is far different than 2010. This isn't about money, imo. Moss is a lover, not a fighter. He needs to feel the love. In '07, he was coming to a SB contending team that wanted him when no one else did. All kinds of positive energy.

3 years later, no SB rings, and he's playing for an organization that shows clearly that players are expendable. The Brady situation only adds to that. Even though Brady's extension will come, the message has been sent.

Some WRs are motivated by the carrot of a contract extension. I don't think Moss is one of these people. He wants to know he's wanted.

Moss is nothing if not honest about his feelings, so there's plenty of reason to take this at face value. He's says he ain't happy, he ain't. That will be bad news for his production.

 
While there is not much to base it on, I have a sense that Moss has "grown up" a little - at least as long as he is playing for NE with their leadership (BB and Brady) and their winning ways. I think he will play this year as well as he has the last two. I put my money where my mouth is as I drafted him as my WR1.
Randy is all about Randy. He's more passive aggressive about it than TO, but otherwise they're the same dude. He "bought into" Belichick's Pats in 2007 because, first of all, that was a ticket out of Oakland which had been one of the all-time worst teams and especially offenses, and it was also a ticket into one of the all-time great offenses. If you want the two best gauges into what makes Randy happy, look at his stat lines and his pay checks. He'll probably be ok this year because the Pats will put up great stats, and because I don't think that they're confused about easily replacing what Moss brings to the table. He's still got a couple of more good seasons in him, having just turned 33.
 
I love Moss, but I'm not a huge fan of him this year. I think Moss owners should take this seriously (though I'm not sure what they could do about it).

No reason to over-think this. Moss says he feels unwanted and sounds rather unhappy about his situation in NE. He plays for an organization that hates people speaking publicly. He just did, which seems to be a sign that these feelings are rather serious. This is certainly a cause for concern and I don't see how it can be seen as anything but negative.

The situation in 2007 is far different than 2010. This isn't about money, imo. Moss is a lover, not a fighter. He needs to feel the love. In '07, he was coming to a SB contending team that wanted him when no one else did. All kinds of positive energy.

3 years later, no SB rings, and he's playing for an organization that shows clearly that players are expendable. Now he's playing for a potential also-ran that doesn't really want to keep him around. This situation is more like the '06 Raiders than the '07 Patriots.

Some WRs are motivated by the carrot of a contract extension. I don't think Moss is one of these people. He wants to know he's wanted.

Moss is nothing if not honest about his feelings, so there's plenty of reason to take this at face value. He's says he ain't happy, he ain't. That will be bad news for his production.

 
While there is not much to base it on, I have a sense that Moss has "grown up" a little - at least as long as he is playing for NE with their leadership (BB and Brady) and their winning ways.

I think he will play this year as well as he has the last two. I put my money where my mouth is as I drafted him as my WR1.
Randy is all about Randy. He's more passive aggressive about it than TO, but otherwise they're the same dude. He "bought into" Belichick's Pats in 2007 because, first of all, that was a ticket out of Oakland which had been one of the all-time worst teams and especially offenses, and it was also a ticket into one of the all-time great offenses. If you want the two best gauges into what makes Randy happy, look at his stat lines and his pay checks. He'll probably be ok this year because the Pats will put up great stats, and because I don't think that they're confused about easily replacing what Moss brings to the table. He's still got a couple of more good seasons in him, having just turned 33.
Will they put up great stats with an unhappy Moss?I think it's more like a happy Moss puts up great stats. Not "get him stats and he becomes happy". He feels unwanted and his mind is clearly now on 2011. The Pats likely won't extend him anyway, but a slow start from Moss (a near certainty) ensure that there's no chance of an extension.

If Moss only cared about stats '06 Raiders would've never happened.

It's not like Moss can't sniff out a bad situation. He's been pretty accurate so far (as opposed to TO, who sabotages great situations).

He soured on the Vikes at the perfect time. He reacted how any rational person would to playing in OAK. He was miserable.

This isn't a good situation for him in NE anymore and he feels that. (potentially mediocre team that doesn't care about it's players)

 
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I know it seems silly but I've got to ask, how many of you actually read the entire article? I did and it didn't sound like Moss was "speaking out" or venting any hard feelings on the situation at all. It just seemed like he was answering the questions as honestly as he could. That is what he has always done.

Randy Moss feels 'unwanted' in New EnglandBy Doug FarrarWhile football scribes around the country debate just how close the supposed three-year, $58 million extension for New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady(notes) is to actually happening, it appears that the primary target of New England's quarterbacks over the last three seasons isn't feeling the love."When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted," Moss recently said in an exclusive interview with CBSSports.com's William Bendetson. "I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling -- feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down. I am speaking from an individual standpoint. I don't know about Tom [brady's] or whoever else's contract."Brady's alleged extension aside, the Pats are already suffering a lot of roster turmoil. Guard Logan Mankins(notes) is in the middle of a contentious and protracted holdout. Defenders Ty Warren(notes) and Leigh Bodden(notes) are out for the year with injuries. The team has tried defensive plug-ins already, and on the offensive side, the Patriots still have an uncertain running game and the recovery of Wes Welker(notes) to think of. An unhappy Moss, who has raised Brady's totals from excellent to stratospheric since 2007 and kept the offense together when Brady was lost for the 2008 season to a knee injury, could be disastrous in the long term.The sad part is that Moss has seen this coming for some time. "You know the Patriots don't really pay," Moss told Christopher L. Gasper of the Boston Globe in February. "So when I got my second contract from them that was a blessing in disguise. I understand the business. I don't think they're going to re-sign me back. I'm not mad. I'm not bitter. It's just the way things are in this NFL, so like I said after this year I'll be looking for a new team. I think so."Moss (who will make $6.4 million this season and will be a free agent in 2011) may be 33 years old, but expecting his numbers to drop due to age would be a mistake. He seems to have all the earmarks of the same kinds of age patterns enjoyed by Tim Brown(notes) and Jerry Rice. For all the legitimate questions about his motivation toward the end of his disastrous time with the Oakland Raiders, he's been as vital to the Pats as any non-quarterback could be, and he's obviously keeping himself in ridiculous shape. If you take out the 2007 season that had Moss and Brady putting up numbers reminiscent of Madden football on the "rookie" setting, 2009 saw Moss's highest totals for receptions (83), first downs (62) and receiving yards (1,264) since 2003, and most touchdowns (13) since 2004. Moss isn't just beating the age curve; he's swimming upstream.The Patriots are noted for their ability to get rid of players just as they start to decline; it's been one of the hallmarks of Bill Belichick's tenure in New England. And it's worked for the most part. But just as Belichick waited too long to replace certain defensive cogs on the roster, he now may be dismissing Randy Moss(notes) too early. And if that's the case, the Patriots can expect a great season from their primary playmaker as Moss looks to prove a point and increase his value.Maybe that's been Belichick's idea all along, but it's a dangerous game of chicken. If you're going to spend so much money on Tom Brady, why not throw some coin to the guy who would extend his career better than any other?Randy Moss may have been a malcontent in the past, but this time, he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
 
I guess I'll try to look on the bright side here.

Randy Moss signed a 3 year, 27 million dollar deal after his epic 2007 season, so apparently the Patriots wanted him for this season at least. I don't think his comments are about money either. The guy has shown up for everything and worked extremely hard to get ready for the season.

He says he feels "unwanted," and basically will play the season and go somewhere else if the Patriots don't want to extend him.

How much sense would it make for Moss to tank the season? He won't be wanted anywhere if he pulls something like that. The best way for Randy to stick it to the Patriots would be to go out, have a great year, and bolt after the season leaving New England with a pretty thin WR corps.

Then again, Moss may not think as rationallly as his fantasy owners. :unsure:

 
While there is not much to base it on, I have a sense that Moss has "grown up" a little - at least as long as he is playing for NE with their leadership (BB and Brady) and their winning ways.

I think he will play this year as well as he has the last two. I put my money where my mouth is as I drafted him as my WR1.
Randy is all about Randy. He's more passive aggressive about it than TO, but otherwise they're the same dude. He "bought into" Belichick's Pats in 2007 because, first of all, that was a ticket out of Oakland which had been one of the all-time worst teams and especially offenses, and it was also a ticket into one of the all-time great offenses. If you want the two best gauges into what makes Randy happy, look at his stat lines and his pay checks. He'll probably be ok this year because the Pats will put up great stats, and because I don't think that they're confused about easily replacing what Moss brings to the table. He's still got a couple of more good seasons in him, having just turned 33.
Will they put up great stats with an unhappy Moss?I think it's more like a happy Moss puts up great stats. Not "get him stats and he becomes happy". He feels unwanted and his mind is clearly now on 2011. The Pats likely won't extend him anyway, but a slow start from Moss (a near certainty) ensure that there's no chance of an extension.

If Moss only cared about stats '06 Raiders would've never happened.

It's not like Moss can't sniff out a bad situation. He's been pretty accurate so far (as opposed to TO, who sabotages great situations).

He soured on the Vikes at the perfect time. He reacted how any rational person would to playing in OAK. He was miserable.

This isn't a good situation for him in NE anymore and he feels that. (potentially mediocre team that doesn't care about it's players)
Absent injury, he puts up great stats, period. Oakland was an exception because he couldn't put up great stats there. That offense was embarrassingly bad, among the worst in history, literally. He'll be fine. He knows that if he wants another big pay day he can't completely sabotage a generally good situation like he has with Brady and Belichick. I have a feeling they'll extend him anyway after they work out an extension for Brady too.

 
I guess I'll try to look on the bright side here.

Randy Moss signed a 3 year, 27 million dollar deal after his epic 2007 season, so apparently the Patriots wanted him for this season at least. I don't think his comments are about money either. The guy has shown up for everything and worked extremely hard to get ready for the season.

He says he feels "unwanted," and basically will play the season and go somewhere else if the Patriots don't want to extend him.

How much sense would it make for Moss to tank the season? He won't be wanted anywhere if he pulls something like that. The best way for Randy to stick it to the Patriots would be to go out, have a great year, and bolt after the season leaving New England with a pretty thin WR corps.

Then again, Moss may not think as rationallly as his fantasy owners. :thumbup:
Tank might be too strong of a word, but a mediocre season seems very likely to me.We may all think Moss would be out of the running for a big contract if he has a bad season, but do you really think he does? I think he feels/knows he'll get paid, pretty much regardless. He's already tanked a season then got a new chance and a big payday. I don't know why he'd doubt that could happen again.

Moss just doesn't seem like a "I'm going to tear it up for a big contract" kind of guy to me.

He strikes me as the type of guy that might not see the point in busting his ### for a mediocre team that doesn't particularly want him anymore.

 
I know it seems silly but I've got to ask, how many of you actually read the entire article? I did and it didn't sound like Moss was "speaking out" or venting any hard feelings on the situation at all. It just seemed like he was answering the questions as honestly as he could. That is what he has always done.

Randy Moss feels 'unwanted' in New England

By Doug Farrar

While football scribes around the country debate just how close the supposed three-year, $58 million extension for New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady(notes) is to actually happening, it appears that the primary target of New England's quarterbacks over the last three seasons isn't feeling the love.

"When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted," Moss recently said in an exclusive interview with CBSSports.com's William Bendetson. "I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling -- feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down. I am speaking from an individual standpoint. I don't know about Tom [brady's] or whoever else's contract."

Brady's alleged extension aside, the Pats are already suffering a lot of roster turmoil. Guard Logan Mankins(notes) is in the middle of a contentious and protracted holdout. Defenders Ty Warren(notes) and Leigh Bodden(notes) are out for the year with injuries. The team has tried defensive plug-ins already, and on the offensive side, the Patriots still have an uncertain running game and the recovery of Wes Welker(notes) to think of. An unhappy Moss, who has raised Brady's totals from excellent to stratospheric since 2007 and kept the offense together when Brady was lost for the 2008 season to a knee injury, could be disastrous in the long term.

The sad part is that Moss has seen this coming for some time. "You know the Patriots don't really pay," Moss told Christopher L. Gasper of the Boston Globe in February. "So when I got my second contract from them that was a blessing in disguise. I understand the business. I don't think they're going to re-sign me back. I'm not mad. I'm not bitter. It's just the way things are in this NFL, so like I said after this year I'll be looking for a new team. I think so."

Moss (who will make $6.4 million this season and will be a free agent in 2011) may be 33 years old, but expecting his numbers to drop due to age would be a mistake. He seems to have all the earmarks of the same kinds of age patterns enjoyed by Tim Brown(notes) and Jerry Rice. For all the legitimate questions about his motivation toward the end of his disastrous time with the Oakland Raiders, he's been as vital to the Pats as any non-quarterback could be, and he's obviously keeping himself in ridiculous shape. If you take out the 2007 season that had Moss and Brady putting up numbers reminiscent of Madden football on the "rookie" setting, 2009 saw Moss's highest totals for receptions (83), first downs (62) and receiving yards (1,264) since 2003, and most touchdowns (13) since 2004. Moss isn't just beating the age curve; he's swimming upstream.

The Patriots are noted for their ability to get rid of players just as they start to decline; it's been one of the hallmarks of Bill Belichick's tenure in New England. And it's worked for the most part. But just as Belichick waited too long to replace certain defensive cogs on the roster, he now may be dismissing Randy Moss(notes) too early. And if that's the case, the Patriots can expect a great season from their primary playmaker as Moss looks to prove a point and increase his value.

Maybe that's been Belichick's idea all along, but it's a dangerous game of chicken. If you're going to spend so much money on Tom Brady, why not throw some coin to the guy who would extend his career better than any other?

Randy Moss may have been a malcontent in the past, but this time, he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. He's not venting or speaking out. I'd have a better feeling about his 2010 production if it was venting or speaking out. If he was a little pissed off, that could be a good thing.He sounds to me like he's simply resigned to the fact and accepted that he's just not part of the Pats future plans and not appreciated. That seems far more troubling to me.

 
Tank might be too strong of a word, but a mediocre season seems very likely to me.We may all think Moss would be out of the running for a big contract if he has a bad season, but do you really think he does? I think he feels/knows he'll get paid, pretty much regardless. He's already tanked a season then got a new chance and a big payday. I don't know why he'd doubt that could happen again.Moss just doesn't seem like a "I'm going to tear it up for a big contract" kind of guy to me. He strikes me as the type of guy that might not see the point in busting his ### for a mediocre team that doesn't particularly want him anymore.
He's been busting his tail this entire offseason though from what I've heard. Abusing people in practice and scrimmages. It doesn't make sense for him to do that and then not give at least 100% Randy Moss effort.He was also still in his prime when he was in Oakland. He's going to be 33 now. Moss can't really afford to give an overly poor effort in 2010 with his age and a possible lockout next season if he wants to play for a few more years.What's a mediocre season for Randy Moss in this offense anyways? It's still Tom Brady, it's still the Patriots, and it's still Randy Moss. Brady to Moss has looked pretty unstoppable in the preseason so far. :goodposting:
 
Tank might be too strong of a word, but a mediocre season seems very likely to me.

We may all think Moss would be out of the running for a big contract if he has a bad season, but do you really think he does? I think he feels/knows he'll get paid, pretty much regardless. He's already tanked a season then got a new chance and a big payday. I don't know why he'd doubt that could happen again.

Moss just doesn't seem like a "I'm going to tear it up for a big contract" kind of guy to me.

He strikes me as the type of guy that might not see the point in busting his ### for a mediocre team that doesn't particularly want him anymore.
He's been busting his tail this entire offseason though from what I've heard. Abusing people in practice and scrimmages. It doesn't make sense for him to do that and then not give at least 100% Randy Moss effort.He was also still in his prime when he was in Oakland. He's going to be 33 now. Moss can't really afford to give an overly poor effort in 2010 with his age and a possible lockout next season if he wants to play for a few more years.

What's a mediocre season for Randy Moss in this offense anyways? It's still Tom Brady, it's still the Patriots, and it's still Randy Moss. Brady to Moss has looked pretty unstoppable in the preseason so far. :shrug:
My guess is he'd be Randy Moss when on the field. It's getting nicked up that I think would be the concern. Not playing through injuries and letting the drag out, resulting in more missed games, is where I think the production would be hurt.Maybe I'm way off base, it sounds like a real unhappy guy to me. And I have a hard time imagining a really unhappy Moss having a great (or very good) year.

 
He should listen to that song "Where is the Love?" by the Black Eyed Peas. In addition to being thorougly rocked out he would then know where the love is and would be able to locate it and feel it.
:thumbup: They are right up there with Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, and the Sugar Hill Gang on the WANTED FOR CRIMES AGAINST HIP-HOP poster.

 
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I love Moss, but I'm not a huge fan of him this year. I think Moss owners should take this seriously (though I'm not sure what they could do about it).

No reason to over-think this. Moss says he feels unwanted and sounds rather unhappy about his situation in NE. He plays for an organization that hates people speaking publicly. He just did, which seems to be a sign that these feelings are rather serious. This is certainly a cause for concern and I don't see how it can be seen as anything but negative.

The situation in 2007 is far different than 2010. This isn't about money, imo. Moss is a lover, not a fighter. He needs to feel the love. In '07, he was coming to a SB contending team that wanted him when no one else did. All kinds of positive energy.

3 years later, no SB rings, and he's playing for an organization that shows clearly that players are expendable. Now he's playing for a potential also-ran that doesn't really want to keep him around. This situation is more like the '06 Raiders than the '07 Patriots.

Some WRs are motivated by the carrot of a contract extension. I don't think Moss is one of these people. He wants to know he's wanted.

Moss is nothing if not honest about his feelings, so there's plenty of reason to take this at face value. He's says he ain't happy, he ain't. That will be bad news for his production.
Good thing you didn't over-think this.
 
Grahamburn said:
pollardsvision said:
Tank might be too strong of a word, but a mediocre season seems very likely to me.

We may all think Moss would be out of the running for a big contract if he has a bad season, but do you really think he does? I think he feels/knows he'll get paid, pretty much regardless. He's already tanked a season then got a new chance and a big payday. I don't know why he'd doubt that could happen again.

Moss just doesn't seem like a "I'm going to tear it up for a big contract" kind of guy to me.

He strikes me as the type of guy that might not see the point in busting his ### for a mediocre team that doesn't particularly want him anymore.
He's been busting his tail this entire offseason though from what I've heard. Abusing people in practice and scrimmages. It doesn't make sense for him to do that and then not give at least 100% Randy Moss effort.He was also still in his prime when he was in Oakland. He's going to be 33 now. Moss can't really afford to give an overly poor effort in 2010 with his age and a possible lockout next season if he wants to play for a few more years.

What's a mediocre season for Randy Moss in this offense anyways? It's still Tom Brady, it's still the Patriots, and it's still Randy Moss. Brady to Moss has looked pretty unstoppable in the preseason so far. :lmao:
Completely agree here. If Randy is looking for one more payday, he cannot lay down and roll over. He had that option in Oakland, everyone knew what he was capable of at age 29/30.

 
If the Patriots are winning games, he'll keep his mouth shut.

But if the Patriots are losing games, you know the rest.....

 
pollardsvision said:
I love Moss, but I'm not a huge fan of him this year. I think Moss owners should take this seriously (though I'm not sure what they could do about it).

No reason to over-think this. Moss says he feels unwanted and sounds rather unhappy about his situation in NE. He plays for an organization that hates people speaking publicly. He just did, which seems to be a sign that these feelings are rather serious. This is certainly a cause for concern and I don't see how it can be seen as anything but negative.

The situation in 2007 is far different than 2010. This isn't about money, imo. Moss is a lover, not a fighter. He needs to feel the love. In '07, he was coming to a SB contending team that wanted him when no one else did. All kinds of positive energy.

3 years later, no SB rings, and he's playing for an organization that shows clearly that players are expendable. Now he's playing for a potential also-ran that doesn't really want to keep him around. This situation is more like the '06 Raiders than the '07 Patriots.

Some WRs are motivated by the carrot of a contract extension. I don't think Moss is one of these people. He wants to know he's wanted.

Moss is nothing if not honest about his feelings, so there's plenty of reason to take this at face value. He's says he ain't happy, he ain't. That will be bad news for his production.
Good thing you didn't over-think this.
:mellow:
 
jurb26 said:
I know it seems silly but I've got to ask, how many of you actually read the entire article? I did and it didn't sound like Moss was "speaking out" or venting any hard feelings on the situation at all. It just seemed like he was answering the questions as honestly as he could. That is what he has always done.
I interpreted Randy's quote in the same way you did and it's one of the reasons I am willing to roll with him as my #1.
 
I read an article in SI on Moss a few years back and it really helped me cut through all the crap in the media.

Basically, what impressed me most was how he lives. He bought a house in a retirement community in Florida because he likes the quiet. His house is sparsely decorated and does not have much in the way of AV equipment/bling/etc. His primary non-football activity is fishing, and not deep-sea fishing but just fishing by himself off a dock near his backyard (cited as another defining reason he bought the house.)

While this article did not tell me that much about his inner mind or his personality, it did tell me that the way this guy has been portrayed in the media (albeit due in some part to his own actions, such as pushing the meter maid down the street) has just been inaccurate. He is not your typical me-first athlete egomaniac. I think what you have is a naturally quiet, reserved, perhaps even overly-sensitive and insecure guy whose talent has made him a star, something he obviously neither seeks out or revels in.

One last note: the article interviewed several of Randy's retired neighbors, and all of them said they couldn't ask for a better neighbor.

So this report does worry me a little because I worry a bit about Randy's overall happiness. He is insecure and I think performs best when his confidence is highest. I think he could go out and deliver based on an "I'll show them" attitude, but I'd much rather have him feeling happy, confident, and wanted where he is.

 
I just read this on CBS Sports and it look like Brady fully has Moss's back, which to me bodes very well for his production!and

"News: Patriots WR Randy Moss did not participate in practice Wednesday as New England prepares to face the Bengals in Week 1. The reason given for his absence was an illness, and Moss is expected to play Sunday at home. Moss recently said in an interview with CBSSports.com that he doesn't feel wanted in New England based on his contract expiring at the end of the season, but QB Tom Brady said Wednesday Moss should definitely feel wanted. "I want him," Brady said. "He knows that. I tell him every day. He’s everything we look for in a receiver. He’s been a great player for his whole career. Look at what he’s done here in terms of his productivity. Look at what he’s done this preseason in training camp. He’s been a great example, a great leader. We’re lucky to have him, we really are. He’s something." Moss faces a Bengals secondary that allowed nine touchdowns to opposing wide receivers in 2009. Moss last played Cincinnati in 2007, and he had nine catches for 102 yards and two touchdowns."

 
GordonGekko said:
My view on it is Randy Moss can do two things, he can have a great year/out of this world year or he can have an average year/subpar year. If he has an out of this world year and other young WRs emerge, I believe he'll get the franchise tag and then get jettisoned the following seasonIf he has an out of this world year and no other young WRs emerge, I believe he'll get the franchise tag and then get jettisoned the following season. If he has a subpar year, whether or not anyone emerges, I think he's gone period. He's a HOF all world talent, no doubt, he's also a crybaby and selfish. If the Pats could milk four good seasons out of him, then that was a tremendous value for a fourth rounder and whatever cash they paid. As for how people will react, the Pats will let him idle and wait for inevitable blowup, play it loud with the press and turn the fans against him, then cut him. They milk him for four or five years and turn him into a cautionary tale for any player not named Brady.
Couldn't you say that about any player in the NFL? I mean, since it's so ridiculous, speculative and such a complete grasping of straws?
 
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Most athletes would love this situation. Have a big year and be an UFA free to sign a huge deal to the highest bidder. My feeling is that Moss knows his market will be limited and wants to cash his chips in right now.

 
I just read this on CBS Sports and it look like Brady fully has Moss's back, which to me bodes very well for his production!and"News: Patriots WR Randy Moss did not participate in practice Wednesday as New England prepares to face the Bengals in Week 1. The reason given for his absence was an illness, and Moss is expected to play Sunday at home. Moss recently said in an interview with CBSSports.com that he doesn't feel wanted in New England based on his contract expiring at the end of the season, but QB Tom Brady said Wednesday Moss should definitely feel wanted. "I want him," Brady said. "He knows that. I tell him every day. He’s everything we look for in a receiver. He’s been a great player for his whole career. Look at what he’s done here in terms of his productivity. Look at what he’s done this preseason in training camp. He’s been a great example, a great leader. We’re lucky to have him, we really are. He’s something." Moss faces a Bengals secondary that allowed nine touchdowns to opposing wide receivers in 2009. Moss last played Cincinnati in 2007, and he had nine catches for 102 yards and two touchdowns."
Thank you Tom Brady. You may have just saved my money team.
 
I just read this on CBS Sports and it look like Brady fully has Moss's back, which to me bodes very well for his production!and"News: Patriots WR Randy Moss did not participate in practice Wednesday as New England prepares to face the Bengals in Week 1. The reason given for his absence was an illness, and Moss is expected to play Sunday at home. Moss recently said in an interview with CBSSports.com that he doesn't feel wanted in New England based on his contract expiring at the end of the season, but QB Tom Brady said Wednesday Moss should definitely feel wanted. "I want him," Brady said. "He knows that. I tell him every day. He’s everything we look for in a receiver. He’s been a great player for his whole career. Look at what he’s done here in terms of his productivity. Look at what he’s done this preseason in training camp. He’s been a great example, a great leader. We’re lucky to have him, we really are. He’s something." Moss faces a Bengals secondary that allowed nine touchdowns to opposing wide receivers in 2009. Moss last played Cincinnati in 2007, and he had nine catches for 102 yards and two touchdowns."
Thank you Tom Brady. You may have just saved my money team.
This is what a few years of a Michigan education will do for ya.
 
The Pats really have no incentive to sign Moss to an extension now. I agree with the previous poster, they can always slap the franchise tag and bring him back next year.

Other factors:

-Will there be a season in 2011-2012?

-The Pats have two first round draft picks next year (one being the Raiders pick). Do they use one on a wideout?

 
I read an article in SI on Moss a few years back and it really helped me cut through all the crap in the media.Basically, what impressed me most was how he lives. He bought a house in a retirement community in Florida because he likes the quiet. His house is sparsely decorated and does not have much in the way of AV equipment/bling/etc. His primary non-football activity is fishing, and not deep-sea fishing but just fishing by himself off a dock near his backyard (cited as another defining reason he bought the house.)While this article did not tell me that much about his inner mind or his personality, it did tell me that the way this guy has been portrayed in the media (albeit due in some part to his own actions, such as pushing the meter maid down the street) has just been inaccurate. He is not your typical me-first athlete egomaniac. I think what you have is a naturally quiet, reserved, perhaps even overly-sensitive and insecure guy whose talent has made him a star, something he obviously neither seeks out or revels in.One last note: the article interviewed several of Randy's retired neighbors, and all of them said they couldn't ask for a better neighbor.So this report does worry me a little because I worry a bit about Randy's overall happiness. He is insecure and I think performs best when his confidence is highest. I think he could go out and deliver based on an "I'll show them" attitude, but I'd much rather have him feeling happy, confident, and wanted where he is.
I would like to take him fishing some time. I bet if I got him on to some nice largemouth, he'd perform better and would help out a lot of fantasy owners.
 
ponchsox said:
The Pats really have no incentive to sign Moss to an extension now. I agree with the previous poster, they can always slap the franchise tag and bring him back next year. Other factors:-Will there be a season in 2011-2012?-The Pats have two first round draft picks next year (one being the Raiders pick). Do they use one on a wideout?
I agree that ***IF*** there is a franchise tag they will consider using it. But as things stand now, there is no franchise tag as there is no CBA.
 

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