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Randy Moss to be traded to Jacksonville? (1 Viewer)
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There is very literally a .0008 percent chance this happens. Everytime a Jacksonville trade rumor fires up, people tend to forget the operation practices of Harris and Del Rio. Adding Randy Moss would go against every single move they've made since they started bringing this franchise out of salary cap hell and I sincerely doubt they're going to do that for any player.
Not to mention the fact that there are five legitimate young, good recievers on the roster to develop (Williams, Jones, Wilford, Owens, Hankton). Don't buy into this one.
Not to mention the fact that there are five legitimate young, good recievers on the roster to develop (Williams, Jones, Wilford, Owens, Hankton). Don't buy into this one.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
We need a BS smilie.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
I heard a rumor there was one.
ATC1
Footballguy
derek19
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
I agree this won't happen.However, the salary cap problem would not lie with JAX. They would get the salary without the pro-rated bonus. So cap wise, its a good deal.
Also, they could easily part with someone like Wilford - who is their WR3.
The problem is that Moss does not fit the mold of players I think JAX wants to bring in to be a mentor for low key WRs Williams and Jones.
AND, Oakland simply would never take that kind of cap hit.
It won't happen but I don't think its because of the cap issues with JAX.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Hey I remember you - you're that rumor I saw at the end of this other thread that didn't make sense the first time I heard it!
Sorry just razzing you here.
Anyway, it's already been discussed ad nauseum how the Raiders probably wouldn't want to take the cap hit they'd get by trading Moss now. Also, what exactly would Jacksonville give up that the Raiders would want? Also, unless Matt Jones is injured worse than it appears, why would Jacksonville mess with their receivers now, just as they appear to be hitting their stride?
Sorry just razzing you here.
Anyway, it's already been discussed ad nauseum how the Raiders probably wouldn't want to take the cap hit they'd get by trading Moss now. Also, what exactly would Jacksonville give up that the Raiders would want? Also, unless Matt Jones is injured worse than it appears, why would Jacksonville mess with their receivers now, just as they appear to be hitting their stride?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I don't see this happening for a lot of reasons. But just to mention one, it would almost certainly take a big push by Mike Tice for Randy to have a chance at landing in Jacksonville. I'm not sure Tice would stick his neck out for Randy and even if he did, the last player Mike championed (Brian Williams) hasn't worked out all that well so far. So I'm not sure the front office would listen to Tice even if he did champion Randy Moss. So far any rumors about Oakland, Moss and Jacksonville I've read have just been people talking about "what if" and "maybe". I haven't even seen a report of a rumor that anyone has spoken with anyone else or even plans to speak with the other parties involved. All I know so far is that Randy Moss said if he got traded he wouldn't mind and that the Jags are one of 6 or 7 teams with the cap room to take on Moss currently. Other than that it's just talk.
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Gargoylez
Footballguy
With the emergence fo Reggie Williams and Drew-jones, jones-drew or whatever his name is, they have plenty of weopons to rely on, and once Matt gets healthy... I mean dont forget about wilford... plus whats the $ situation with Moss? Can't be good.
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BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Someone had to do it.
I don't necessarily think it's for current cap issues, either. I just don't believe bringing in Randy Moss at this point of the season is something they're willing to do. Especially a lethargic, unmotivated Randy Moss when the emphasis on players so far has been guys that are willing to run through a brick wall. He just isn't the kind of player I can see Harris and Del Rio taking a risk on. So we definitely agree there.
I don't doubt for a second that Tice is advocating it, though. It's just not going to happen.
I don't doubt for a second that Tice is advocating it, though. It's just not going to happen.
apparently, according to an article i read, there are "at least" 6 teams with space to make an in-season deal for moss...New Orleans, Arizona, New England, Jacksonville. Houston, and Philadelphia were the ones mentioned.
interesting...i could see new orleans i guess, actually. none of the others make sense.
interesting...i could see new orleans i guess, actually. none of the others make sense.
ATC1
Footballguy
What better way to motivate himself then to switch teams. Besides this way he can be closer to his Intra Juice franchise in West Virgina.
ATC1
Footballguy
No way Payton takes Moss. They have a rookie doing just fine, and he got rid of Stallworth and that waste of a draft pick Johnathan Sullivan for having no motivation.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Some might argue that Moss is an upgrade over Reche Caldwell.I'm just saying...
Wadsworth
Footballguy
If Al Davis wasn't 674 years old and bullheaded, this would be the time for Oakland to cut it's losses and start hardcore into rebuilding. Get rid of some salary and get some young players and draft picks. Aside from Moss, Porter is sitting around doing nothing, and Sapp to the colts would seem an obvious trade to consider with Simon out. But it's likely Al Davis will just stick with what he has and start planning his latest move to LA instead.
If the Jags made a move before the trading deadline, I'd be surprised if it was for any position besides DE. With Hayward out for the year with an injury that can linger even after a year, Spicer getting old and the M. Wiley the back up old and hurt; DE is the obvious position of most need and a clear weak spot. While the young Jags WRs are not by any means scarey yet, they are developing and no where near the glaring need that exists at DE.
If the Jags made a move before the trading deadline, I'd be surprised if it was for any position besides DE. With Hayward out for the year with an injury that can linger even after a year, Spicer getting old and the M. Wiley the back up old and hurt; DE is the obvious position of most need and a clear weak spot. While the young Jags WRs are not by any means scarey yet, they are developing and no where near the glaring need that exists at DE.
drpill
Footballguy
Please let this happen.:mossandbradyowner:Some might argue that Moss is an upgrade over Reche Caldwell.I'm just saying...
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
He would be a cap issue for Jacksonville. Not because of his bonus but because of his astronomical base salaries:
2006 7500000.00
2007 9750000.00
2008 11250000.00
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I think that move moves the Patriots to the head of the AFC, IMO. I'd hate it as a Colts fan, but OMG, the horror of facing Brady-Moss with their running game and defense.Some might argue that Moss is an upgrade over Reche Caldwell.I'm just saying...
FFdork
Footballguy
I think part of the Moss to Jax rumor stems from a Pro Football Talk article stating Tice has lobbied to trade for Moss. The talk here in Minny from people know Tice personally, including his feelings about Moss, is that PFT has a bad source on this one. Take it FWIW--people are entitled to change their minds (and, no, I don't have a damn link). Just passing along what I've heard.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I'll start off by saying the probability of Moss getting traded befre the deadline is slim to none because of the Cap issues involved. However, looking at the teams mentioned above that would have cap room I noticed Arizona. Deeny Green's there and he's known to take a non choir boy or two before. Plus he's coached Randy before. And, they could go three wide with Moss, Fitzgerald, and Boldin.
But this is not going to happen. Not a chance. But if it did, the Cardinals could go three wide with Moss, Fitgeerald, and Boldin. But this is not going to happen. Not a chance. But if it did, the Cardinals could go three wide with Moss, Fitzgerald, and Boldin.
T Man
Footballguy
Not sure if these are the salary figures or the cap figures. either way, I don't think it matters.If this happened, and it won't, The 2006 base salary would be prorated immediately upon the consummation of the trade. This would mean a cap hit of roughly $4.5 million. The 2007 and 2008 years mean little since any team that traded for him would want to restructure the deal. For example adding a year or changing salary to bonus. Plus with the drastic increases in the cap, and the expected increase next year, I think this would be OK. The cap, not the trade! (I wouldn't want Moss on JAX because of the adverse effect on the young WRs.He would be a cap issue for Jacksonville. Not because of his bonus but because of his astronomical base salaries:2006 7500000.00
2007 9750000.00
2008 11250000.00
That is the reason I don't think that it creates cap issues with JAX.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think the biggest cap issue is with Oakland, not any team that would acquire him in a trade.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
this is correct
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Why? under the new cba, the signing bonus isn't accelerated into this year, only the prorated portion that they're already accounting for. The rest of the SB counts against next year.Unless you're saying it would be a problem on next year's cap?
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Those numbers are base salary only.You'd have to get moss to buy off on any of those restructurings including converting the bulk of the 2006 money to signing bonus to get it prorated. (Given that Jax has some room left under the cap this year, I don't know why they'd even need to do this.) Moss may be happy to take his chances on the current deal or free agency if cut and may not want to restructure. Thus, getting the $21 million he is on the hook for in 07 and 08 restructured or reduced would be tricky negotiations. And even if it's restructured, thats a lot to pay one person at your WR position, even under the new caponomics.Not sure if these are the salary figures or the cap figures. either way, I don't think it matters.If this happened, and it won't, The 2006 base salary would be prorated immediately upon the consummation of the trade. This would mean a cap hit of roughly $4.5 million. The 2007 and 2008 years mean little since any team that traded for him would want to restructure the deal. For example adding a year or changing salary to bonus. Plus with the drastic increases in the cap, and the expected increase next year, I think this would be OK. The cap, not the trade! (I wouldn't want Moss on JAX because of the adverse effect on the young WRs.He would be a cap issue for Jacksonville. Not because of his bonus but because of his astronomical base salaries:2006 7500000.00
2007 9750000.00
2008 11250000.00
That is the reason I don't think that it creates cap issues with JAX.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
don't understand caponomics
although I'd still tend to lean with whatever PFT says. But I don't pretend to have any knowledge of the workings myself.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
That would be an insane trio wouldn't it? It'd probably be as good as C Carter, Jake reed, and Moss (rookie year).This would be like a video game.How about them apples?I'll start off by saying the probability of Moss getting traded befre the deadline is slim to none because of the Cap issues involved. However, looking at the teams mentioned above that would have cap room I noticed Arizona. Deeny Green's there and he's known to take a non choir boy or two before. Plus he's coached Randy before. And, they could go three wide with Moss, Fitzgerald, and Boldin.
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